The 10-pound workout

My pulomonologist relented to my bugging him about letting me get back to
lifting weights -- but limited me to 10 pounds. I went to the gym yesterday
and did lateral raises with 10 pd weights for too may reps to even count so
I stopped and did some cardio instead (which he says is OK). Should I even
bother with weights? I'm not very big but have OK definition. Anything I can
do to maintain what I have?

"Zen Cohen" <aturny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> My pulomonologist relented to my bugging him about letting me get back
> to lifting weights -- but limited me to 10 pounds. I went to the gym
> yesterday and did lateral raises with 10 pd weights for too may reps
> to even count so I stopped and did some cardio instead (which he says
> is OK). Should I even bother with weights? I'm not very big but have
> OK definition. Anything I can do to maintain what I have?

Get a second opinion. I'd start with asking a sports medicine
specialist for a specialist in your problem who deals with a lot of
athletes. 10 lbs. is likely a random, conservative number; maybe 25
lbs. is better ...

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
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> "Zen Cohen" <aturny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:48346177$0$31719$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> My pulomonologist relented to my bugging him about letting me get back to
>> lifting weights -- but limited me to 10 pounds. I went to the gym
>> yesterday and did lateral raises with 10 pd weights for too may reps to
>> even count so I stopped and did some cardio instead (which he says is
>> OK). Should I even bother with weights? I'm not very big but have OK
>> definition. Anything I can do to maintain what I have?
>
> Get a second opinion. I'd start with asking a sports medicine specialist
> for a specialist in your problem who deals with a lot of athletes. 10
> lbs. is likely a random, conservative number; maybe 25 lbs. is better ...
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com
>
>

Go slow but ask about more weight, 10# isn't much.

Take your time, it will all come back in time!!!!

Burr

Zen Cohen pretended :
> My pulomonologist relented to my bugging him about letting me get back to
> lifting weights -- but limited me to 10 pounds. I went to the gym yesterday
> and did lateral raises with 10 pd weights for too may reps to even count so I
> stopped and did some cardio instead (which he says is OK). Should I even
> bother with weights? I'm not very big but have OK definition. Anything I can
> do to maintain what I have?

No, you're fucked.

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
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> "Zen Cohen" <aturny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:48346177$0$31719$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>> My pulomonologist relented to my bugging him about letting me get back to
>> lifting weights -- but limited me to 10 pounds. I went to the gym
>> yesterday and did lateral raises with 10 pd weights for too may reps to
>> even count so I stopped and did some cardio instead (which he says is
>> OK). Should I even bother with weights? I'm not very big but have OK
>> definition. Anything I can do to maintain what I have?
>
> Get a second opinion. I'd start with asking a sports medicine specialist
> for a specialist in your problem who deals with a lot of athletes. 10
> lbs. is likely a random, conservative number; maybe 25 lbs. is better ...

Good idea on the sports med specialist. 25 lbs would be a little more
tolerable if a doc would give me the go-ahead.

"Zen Cohen" <aturny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
> news:69j95fF32p0crU1@mid.individual.net...
>> "Zen Cohen" <aturny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:48346177$0$31719$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>> My pulomonologist relented to my bugging him about letting me get
>>> back to lifting weights -- but limited me to 10 pounds. I went to
>>> the gym yesterday and did lateral raises with 10 pd weights for too
>>> may reps to even count so I stopped and did some cardio instead
>>> (which he says is OK). Should I even bother with weights? I'm not
>>> very big but have OK definition. Anything I can do to maintain what
>>> I have?
>>
>> Get a second opinion. I'd start with asking a sports medicine
>> specialist for a specialist in your problem who deals with a lot of
>> athletes. 10 lbs. is likely a random, conservative number; maybe 25
>> lbs. is better ...
>
> Good idea on the sports med specialist. 25 lbs would be a little more
> tolerable if a doc would give me the go-ahead.

You realize, too, I hope, that the actual weight needs not be a
limitation. There are plenty of things you can do with your bodyweight
only, of course. My guess is that things like one-armed pushups and
one-legged squats probably go against the spirit, if not the letter, of
your doctor's intent, but they are certainly options. There are a lot
of ways to tweak both those movements to one's current level of ability,
e.g., raised feet for two-armed pushups to make them harder, likewise
feet normal but one arm out to the side or on an unstable and/or raised
surface.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> writes:

> "Zen Cohen" <aturny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:48351196$0$30244$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>> news:69j95fF32p0crU1@mid.individual.net...
>>> "Zen Cohen" <aturny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:48346177$0$31719$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>> My pulomonologist relented to my bugging him about letting me get
>>>> back to lifting weights -- but limited me to 10 pounds. I went to
>>>> the gym yesterday and did lateral raises with 10 pd weights for too
>>>> may reps to even count so I stopped and did some cardio instead
>>>> (which he says is OK). Should I even bother with weights? I'm not
>>>> very big but have OK definition. Anything I can do to maintain what
>>>> I have?
>>>
>>> Get a second opinion. I'd start with asking a sports medicine
>>> specialist for a specialist in your problem who deals with a lot of
>>> athletes. 10 lbs. is likely a random, conservative number; maybe 25
>>> lbs. is better ...
>>
>> Good idea on the sports med specialist. 25 lbs would be a little more
>> tolerable if a doc would give me the go-ahead.
>
> You realize, too, I hope, that the actual weight needs not be a
> limitation. There are plenty of things you can do with your
> bodyweight only, of course. My guess is that things like one-armed
> pushups and one-legged squats probably go against the spirit, if not
> the letter, of your doctor's intent, but they are certainly options.
> There are a lot of ways to tweak both those movements to one's current
> level of ability, e.g., raised feet for two-armed pushups to make them
> harder, likewise feet normal but one arm out to the side or on an
> unstable and/or raised surface.

This is why Zen needs a second opinion ASAP. His doctor clearly pulled
10 pounds out of his nether regions. If Zen can't lift more than 10
pounds ever again he's completely screwed. He won't even be able to
carry his groceries to the car. Seriously, how much does a gallon of
milk weigh?

Ten pounds is not weight lifting. I have boots that weigh almost that
much.

Unfortunately, doctors tend to be ridiculously conservative when they
get into areas where they don't really know what they are doing, and
even the best of doctors has areas that they haven't studied extensively
(or at all).

Now, it is possible that your doctor is 100% correct and that your
condition is serious enough that lifting anything over 10 pounds could
seriously screw you up. I just have a hard time believing that cardio
is ok, and that weights over 10 pounds are dangerous.

Jason

"Jason Earl" <jearl@xmission.com> wrote in message
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> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> writes:
>
>> "Zen Cohen" <aturny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:48351196$0$30244$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>
>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
>>> news:69j95fF32p0crU1@mid.individual.net...
>>>> "Zen Cohen" <aturny@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:48346177$0$31719$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>>>> My pulomonologist relented to my bugging him about letting me get
>>>>> back to lifting weights -- but limited me to 10 pounds. I went to
>>>>> the gym yesterday and did lateral raises with 10 pd weights for too
>>>>> may reps to even count so I stopped and did some cardio instead
>>>>> (which he says is OK). Should I even bother with weights? I'm not
>>>>> very big but have OK definition. Anything I can do to maintain what
>>>>> I have?
>>>>
>>>> Get a second opinion. I'd start with asking a sports medicine
>>>> specialist for a specialist in your problem who deals with a lot of
>>>> athletes. 10 lbs. is likely a random, conservative number; maybe 25
>>>> lbs. is better ...
>>>
>>> Good idea on the sports med specialist. 25 lbs would be a little more
>>> tolerable if a doc would give me the go-ahead.
>>
>> You realize, too, I hope, that the actual weight needs not be a
>> limitation. There are plenty of things you can do with your
>> bodyweight only, of course. My guess is that things like one-armed
>> pushups and one-legged squats probably go against the spirit, if not
>> the letter, of your doctor's intent, but they are certainly options....

Bodyweight would be great but I didn't bring up because it seemed implied
that if I can't lift more than 10 lbs I couldn't use my much greater
bodyweight. But since I'm seeing him Tuesday I'll ask.

>
> This is why Zen needs a second opinion ASAP. His doctor clearly pulled
> 10 pounds out of his nether regions. If Zen can't lift more than 10
> pounds ever again he's completely screwed. He won't even be able to
> carry his groceries to the car. Seriously, how much does a gallon of
> milk weigh?

Doc said 10 lbs just for the next few weeks. I think the 10 lb limit is a
bit arbitrary but drawing lines almost always is to some extent. The nice
thing is that for now wife is carrying everything. We were shopping the
other day and she was carrying my daughter and a couple bags while I carried
nothing. I offered to take some things but she insisted on carrying
everything. I must've looked like a real cad.

.....
> Unfortunately, doctors tend to be ridiculously conservative when they
> get into areas where they don't really know what they are doing, and
> even the best of doctors has areas that they haven't studied extensively
> (or at all).

Defensive medicine. Damn lawyers.

>
> Now, it is possible that your doctor is 100% correct and that your
> condition is serious enough that lifting anything over 10 pounds could
> seriously screw you up. I just have a hard time believing that cardio
> is ok, and that weights over 10 pounds are dangerous.

I can't articulate it very well but what I was told makes some sense. I
think he'll eventually let me go back to lifting fairly heavy but he's
stressed several times the importance of proper breathing if I do.

"Zen Cohen" <aturny@hotmail.com> writes:

> "Jason Earl" <jearl@xmission.com> wrote in message

-snip-

>> Now, it is possible that your doctor is 100% correct and that your
>> condition is serious enough that lifting anything over 10 pounds
>> could seriously screw you up. I just have a hard time believing that
>> cardio is ok, and that weights over 10 pounds are dangerous.
>
> I can't articulate it very well but what I was told makes some
> sense. I think he'll eventually let me go back to lifting fairly heavy
> but he's stressed several times the importance of proper breathing if
> I do.

Ok, that's a different story. I must have missed one of the earlier
posts. Take care of yourself.

Jason

> much.
>
> Unfortunately, doctors tend to be ridiculously conservative when they
> get into areas where they don't really know what they are doing, and
> even the best of doctors has areas that they haven't studied extensively
> (or at all).
>
> Now, it is possible that your doctor is 100% correct and that your
> condition is serious enough that lifting anything over 10 pounds could
> seriously screw you up. I just have a hard time believing that cardio
> is ok, and that weights over 10 pounds are dangerous.
>
> Jason


I would have thought that a moderately intensive cardio session can
be at least as demanding as lifting weights of 10 pounds? A good workout
on a rower works me as much as a resistance workout.

Ted <Ted@pnet.com> wrote in news:TMGdnVm4s4fC4KvVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com:

> I would have thought that a moderately intensive cardio session can
> be at least as demanding as lifting weights of 10 pounds? A good workout
> on a rower works me as much as a resistance workout.
>

Four months ago, I was able to do about ten strict pullups. A week ago, I
did seventeen pullups. During that period of time, I did perhaps twenty or
thirty pullups per week; I would perform an easy set or two on the monkey-
bars at the playground where I walk my dog.

The secret? I did some high-intensity punching every day: three or four
days a week hitting the heavybag, and the other days just shadow-boxing as
hard as I could. The punching, combined with some general-purpose
calisthenics, made my lats grow noticeably.

This experience has proven to me that high numbers of reps may not be
ideal, but they're better than nothing.

Dnia 2008-05-23 buttinsky napisa³(a):
> Ted <Ted@pnet.com> wrote in news:TMGdnVm4s4fC4KvVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com:
>
>> I would have thought that a moderately intensive cardio session can
>> be at least as demanding as lifting weights of 10 pounds? A good workout
>> on a rower works me as much as a resistance workout.
>>
>
> Four months ago, I was able to do about ten strict pullups. A week ago, I
> did seventeen pullups. During that period of time, I did perhaps twenty or
> thirty pullups per week; I would perform an easy set or two on the monkey-
> bars at the playground where I walk my dog.
>
> The secret? I did some high-intensity punching every day: three or four
> days a week hitting the heavybag, and the other days just shadow-boxing as
> hard as I could. The punching, combined with some general-purpose
> calisthenics, made my lats grow noticeably.

Did you check your weight? I'd rather suspect that you simply lost
some, so you can do more pullups. I typically lose my winter fat during
spring. Several pounds make quite a lot of difference when it comes to
bodyweight reps.

> This experience has proven to me that high numbers of reps may not be
> ideal, but they're better than nothing.

Do not dismiss your pullups training totally. It might not give you
much muscles, but over four months period of time you probably gained
some skill at doing them, even if you did them light. Skill matters too.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

"Ted" <Ted@pnet.com> wrote in message
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>
.....
> ... A good workout on a rower works me as much as a resistance workout.

What kind of rower do you use and what kind of program are you on? I have a
Concept 2 (Model D) in my garage and it gives me one a great cardio workout
that gets a lot of muscles involved.

Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:n4ojg5-gie.ln1@bakters.bandit.home:

> Dnia 2008-05-23 buttinsky napisa³(a):
>> Ted <Ted@pnet.com> wrote in
>> news:TMGdnVm4s4fC4KvVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com:
>>
>>> I would have thought that a moderately intensive cardio session can
>>> be at least as demanding as lifting weights of 10 pounds? A good
>>> workout on a rower works me as much as a resistance workout.
>>>
>>
>> Four months ago, I was able to do about ten strict pullups. A week
>> ago, I did seventeen pullups. During that period of time, I did
>> perhaps twenty or thirty pullups per week; I would perform an easy
>> set or two on the monkey- bars at the playground where I walk my dog.
>>
>> The secret? I did some high-intensity punching every day: three or
>> four days a week hitting the heavybag, and the other days just
>> shadow-boxing as hard as I could. The punching, combined with some
>> general-purpose calisthenics, made my lats grow noticeably.
>
> Did you check your weight? I'd rather suspect that you simply lost
> some, so you can do more pullups. I typically lose my winter fat
> during spring. Several pounds make quite a lot of difference when it
> comes to bodyweight reps.

My weight remains constant, but I've lost a bit of fat. My lats are
visibly larger (wider) as viewed from the front in the mirror.

>> This experience has proven to me that high numbers of reps may not be
>> ideal, but they're better than nothing.
>
> Do not dismiss your pullups training totally. It might not give you
> much muscles, but over four months period of time you probably gained
> some skill at doing them, even if you did them light. Skill matters
> too.

I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I'll elaborate.

I said that I could do ten pullups initially. However, I never
emphasized pullups or thought very much about them. I'm light (150
pounds/68kg) and I don't have any trouble with them. I'm sure I could
have increased that number by a few reps if I had done them regularly.

During the time when I did a lot of punching every day, my irregular sets
of pullups never totalled more than a half-dozen reps or so. They were
an afterthought, done only a few times a week, and I did them with a dog
leash in one hand. I never go anywhere near failure with my lifts, and I
lift only sporadically. I think my average number of pullups per week
decreased significantly during this time, although my general fitness
level increased significantly. If it's of any interest, I used Ross
Enamait's "infinite intensity" workout (and the daily punching training)
during this time. This workout program does call for some occasional
pullups, but I think the numbers are insignificant compared with my
previous weekly totals.

So, imagine my surprise when I recently decided to test myself and I was
able to do seventeen. This is a definite improvement over what I imagine
I could have done in the past, had I decided to focus on them.

The only way I can account for my improvement is to credit the heavybag
training with increasing my lat strength. There's no doubt in my mind
that my lats are larger.

I'm light and skinny, so pullups are not difficult for me. I did some
weighted pullups today, and in a week or two I'm going to see if I can do
20. My joints need some rest from what I've been doing, so for the next
several weeks I'm going to do more lifting than usual.

"buttinsky" <never@you.mind> wrote in message
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> Ted <Ted@pnet.com> wrote in
> news:TMGdnVm4s4fC4KvVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com:
>
>> I would have thought that a moderately intensive cardio session can
>> be at least as demanding as lifting weights of 10 pounds? A good
>> workout
>> on a rower works me as much as a resistance workout.
>>
>
> Four months ago, I was able to do about ten strict pullups. A week
> ago, I
> did seventeen pullups. During that period of time, I did perhaps
> twenty or
> thirty pullups per week; I would perform an easy set or two on the
> monkey-
> bars at the playground where I walk my dog.
>
> The secret? I did some high-intensity punching every day: three or
> four
> days a week hitting the heavybag, and the other days just
> shadow-boxing as
> hard as I could. The punching, combined with some general-purpose
> calisthenics, made my lats grow noticeably.

Deadlifting will have the same beneficial effect on pullup strength for
many people.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

> This experience has proven to me that high numbers of reps may not be
> ideal, but they're better than nothing.

Zen Cohen wrote:
> "Ted" <Ted@pnet.com> wrote in message
> news:TMGdnVm4s4fC4KvVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
> ....
>> ... A good workout on a rower works me as much as a resistance workout.
>
> What kind of rower do you use and what kind of program are you on? I have a
> Concept 2 (Model D) in my garage and it gives me one a great cardio workout
> that gets a lot of muscles involved.
>
>

I use a concept 2, but I dont use it that often, however when I do I
am pretty sure that it works me harder than doing resistance work with
10lb weights would?

Dnia 2008-05-24 buttinsky napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:n4ojg5-gie.ln1@bakters.bandit.home:
>
>> Did you check your weight? I'd rather suspect that you simply lost
>> some, so you can do more pullups. I typically lose my winter fat
>> during spring. Several pounds make quite a lot of difference when it
>> comes to bodyweight reps.
>
> My weight remains constant,

That's what I say too, but I'm not sure if it is true anymore. If you
don't check your weight constantly, it's very easy to gain several kilos
and later lose them back while thinking that it was all fat to muscle
conversion. ;-)

> but I've lost a bit of fat. My lats are
> visibly larger (wider) as viewed from the front in the mirror.

So you may have gained some lat mass, but still I doubt it was from
punching bag. Lat's don't do much of anything when punching or
decelerating a punch. I used to train for an hour a day at one point,
and I still remember where it made me sore. Not in lats.

>> Do not dismiss your pullups training totally. It might not give you
>> much muscles, but over four months period of time you probably gained
>> some skill at doing them, even if you did them light. Skill matters
>> too.
>
> I don't mean to hijack this thread, but I'll elaborate.

It's Usenet. There is no such a thing here as hijacking a thread.

> I said that I could do ten pullups initially. However, I never
> emphasized pullups or thought very much about them. I'm light (150
> pounds/68kg) and I don't have any trouble with them. I'm sure I could
> have increased that number by a few reps if I had done them regularly.
>
> During the time when I did a lot of punching every day, my irregular sets
> of pullups never totalled more than a half-dozen reps or so. They were
> an afterthought, done only a few times a week, and I did them with a dog
> leash in one hand. I never go anywhere near failure with my lifts, and I
> lift only sporadically. I think my average number of pullups per week
> decreased significantly during this time, although my general fitness
> level increased significantly. If it's of any interest, I used Ross
> Enamait's "infinite intensity" workout (and the daily punching training)
> during this time. This workout program does call for some occasional
> pullups, but I think the numbers are insignificant compared with my
> previous weekly totals.

If your weight remained constant during this time, you should not make
progress on pullups. Maybe a small one, but not from 10 to 17 reps. 17
reps is a hair away from one armed pullups, and you should be good for a
negative, so it's quite a jump.

> So, imagine my surprise when I recently decided to test myself and I was
> able to do seventeen. This is a definite improvement over what I imagine
> I could have done in the past, had I decided to focus on them.
>
> The only way I can account for my improvement is to credit the heavybag
> training with increasing my lat strength. There's no doubt in my mind
> that my lats are larger.
>
> I'm light and skinny, so pullups are not difficult for me. I did some
> weighted pullups today, and in a week or two I'm going to see if I can do
> 20. My joints need some rest from what I've been doing, so for the next
> several weeks I'm going to do more lifting than usual.

I'm puzzled by your progress, but wish you even more luck. Here the God
of Pullups is DZ, who could do about 40 at one time, close to 200 lbs
weighted (I don't remember the exact number) at another, and his numbers
are pretty much utouchable by the rest of regulars. Who knows, maybe
you'll dethrone him one day? ;-)

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Dnia 2008-05-23 Zen Cohen napisa³(a):
>
> "Ted" <Ted@pnet.com> wrote in message
> news:TMGdnVm4s4fC4KvVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>>
> ....
>> ... A good workout on a rower works me as much as a resistance workout.
>
> What kind of rower do you use and what kind of program are you on? I have a
> Concept 2 (Model D) in my garage and it gives me one a great cardio workout
> that gets a lot of muscles involved.

It's possible to turn cardio sessions into an anaerobic workout. You do
intervals. You know, fast sprint uphill then slow walk down and that is
one rep. It works on a Concept 2, from what I heard, but you generally
can't vomit indoors without people complaining, so I think it isn't as
good as outdoor intervals. ;-)

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Dnia 2008-05-23 Zen Cohen napisa³(a):
>>
>> "Ted" <Ted@pnet.com> wrote in message
>> news:TMGdnVm4s4fC4KvVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>>>
>> ....
>>> ... A good workout on a rower works me as much as a resistance workout.
>>
>> What kind of rower do you use and what kind of program are you on? I have
>> a
>> Concept 2 (Model D) in my garage and it gives me one a great cardio
>> workout
>> that gets a lot of muscles involved.
>
> It's possible to turn cardio sessions into an anaerobic workout. You do
> intervals. You know, fast sprint uphill then slow walk down and that is
> one rep. It works on a Concept 2, from what I heard, but you generally
> can't vomit indoors without people complaining, so I think it isn't as
> good as outdoor intervals. ;-)

I like doing longer sessions on the C2, like 40 minutes to an hour, but the
ones where I've almost thrown up and have dropped off the rower after going
for personal bests are 500 and 2000 meters, which last well under 2 minutes
and 8 minutes, respectively.

"Ted" <Ted@pnet.com> wrote in message
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> Zen Cohen wrote:
>> "Ted" <Ted@pnet.com> wrote in message
>> news:TMGdnVm4s4fC4KvVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com...
>> ....
>>> ... A good workout on a rower works me as much as a resistance workout.
>>
>> What kind of rower do you use and what kind of program are you on? I have
>> a Concept 2 (Model D) in my garage and it gives me one a great cardio
>> workout that gets a lot of muscles involved.
>
> I use a concept 2, but I dont use it that often, however when I do I am
> pretty sure that it works me harder than doing resistance work with 10lb
> weights would?

I think that's generally the case but that it depends on your damper
setting. At the lowest setting it's probably like doing 10 lb seated rows,
but if you're doing a 30-minute piece at 25 strokes per minute, that's 750
"reps" over half an hour. I usually work out with the damper set at 4 (drag
factor of about 110-120, which is still pretty easy) so maybe that's like
doing equivalent to 20-lb reps. I rarely set the damper to 10, nor do many
of the experienced rowers. When someone sets it to 10 at the gym they're
usually beginners who turn out very slow times.

Dnia 2008-05-24 Zen Cohen napisa³(a):
>
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:n8hlg5-8tv.ln1@bakters.bandit.home...
>
>> It's possible to turn cardio sessions into an anaerobic workout. You do
>> intervals. You know, fast sprint uphill then slow walk down and that is
>> one rep. It works on a Concept 2, from what I heard, but you generally
>> can't vomit indoors without people complaining, so I think it isn't as
>> good as outdoor intervals. ;-)
>
> I like doing longer sessions on the C2, like 40 minutes to an hour, but the
> ones where I've almost thrown up and have dropped off the rower after going
> for personal bests are 500 and 2000 meters, which last well under 2 minutes
> and 8 minutes, respectively.

Two minutes seems like would be still limited mainly by your heart
capacity. How about even shorter and even faster sprints? Then you do
anaerobic workout without weights and hopefully without more danger to your
lungs than a normal cardio.

Anyway, 10 lbs on a meter long lever will make even a giant sore all
over. If 10 lbs is fine, then a 10 lbs sledgehammer and a workout
inspired by Indian clubbells could be an option.

http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/Competit...ehoe-intro.htm [heavy
graphics]

Here's how it will make you look. ;-)
http://www.sandowplus.co.uk/Competition/Moss/moss.jpg

Easiest way to start is to take an old tire outdoors and beat the living
hell out of it. You think that a 10 lbs sledgehammer is light? Try it.
I dare you. ;-)

What I generally mean is that lifting weights is just a convenient way
of getting desired kind of stimulus to your body. It's possible to get
it another way. Between uphill sprints, rower intervals and heavy
hammering you will not have many muscles untouched in your body.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

On May 22, 2:10 pm, "Zen Cohen" <atu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[...]

> Bodyweight would be great but I didn't bring up because it seemed implied
> that if I can't lift more than 10 lbs I couldn't use my much greater
> bodyweight.

Bingo.

Ask on Tuesday and if he has no intelligent/informed answer then go
for that second opinion.

Remember the book Fighting Back? It was about Rocky Bleier and how he
suffered some shrapnel damage in Vietnam. At least one doctor stated
he'd never walk again. Of course he came back courtesy of track time
and weights.

Doctors are a blessing, but sometimes they don't know sh!t.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocky_Bleier

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On May 23, 5:04 pm, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dnia 2008-05-23 buttinsky napisa³(a):
[...]

> > Four months ago, I was able to do about ten strict pullups. A week ago,I
> > did seventeen pullups. During that period of time, I did perhaps twentyor
> > thirty pullups per week; I would perform an easy set or two on the monkey-
> > bars at the playground where I walk my dog.
[...]

> Did you check your weight? I'd rather suspect that you simply lost
> some, so you can do more pullups. I typically lose my winter fat during
> spring. Several pounds make quite a lot of difference when it comes to
> bodyweight reps.
> <snip> you probably gained some skill at doing them, even if you
> did them light. Skill matters too.

DON'T CONFUSE US WITH EXTRANEOUS EXTRA DATA AND FACTS, GOD DANM IT!



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On May 23, 9:19 pm, buttinsky <ne...@you.mind> wrote:
[...]

> I don't mean to hijack this thread,
> but <snip>
^^^^^^^^^

Hence his nickname.

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"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote in message
....
> Remember the book Fighting Back? It was about Rocky Bleier and how he
> suffered some shrapnel damage in Vietnam. At least one doctor stated
> he'd never walk again. Of course he came back courtesy of track time
> and weights.


I remember Rocky Bleier well, that sumbitch. Yeah, he was an inspiration and
blah blah blah but I was a Houston Oilers fan and I hated the Steelers and
everyone who had anything to do with them. Now that the Oilers are in TN and
I'm in CA, I can forgive him. A little.

>
> Doctors are a blessing, but sometimes they don't know sh!t.

Twoo. I had a doc who couldn't figure out why I was having a problem and
didn't seem to be very willing to figure it out (after which I asked him if
he could ask any colleagues what they thought and he said, "I guess I could
do that" but he didn't bother), so I did my own research which suggested a
plausible answer. I went to a new doc who did a test which confirmed my
hunch was right. Docs know far far more more than laypeople but they can
nonetheless in the grand scheme be very limited in what they know. Also,
some, like my former doc, are not so motivated to think things
through/investigate problems, and some are stuck in wellworn ways of
thinking and have trouble with solutions to problems that don't fit into
their patterns. There's a good book that came out about a year ago called
"How Doctors Think" by a doc about his experiences as a doctor and later as
a patient.

On May 24, 7:31 pm, "Zen Cohen" <atu...@hotmail.com> wrote:
[...]

> I remember Rocky Bleier well, that sumbitch. Yeah, he
> was an inspiration and blah blah blah

heh

> but I was a Houston Oilers fan and I hated the Steelers and
> everyone who had anything to do with them. Now that the Oilers are in TN and
> I'm in CA, I can forgive him. A little.



Actually, what I know about football could probably be placed on the
head of a pin with room to spare, but I did enjoy reading his
triumphant story. Sorry they kicked your Oilers' butt apparently.

> <snip> I had a doc who couldn't figure out why I was having a problem and
> didn't seem to be very willing to figure it out (after which I asked him if
> he could ask any colleagues what they thought and he said, "I guess I could
> do that" but he didn't bother), so I did my own research which suggested a
> plausible answer. I went to a new doc who did a test which confirmed my
> hunch was right.

I had one doc tell me to soak my feet as he determined I had athlete's
foot.

Later a podiatrist informed me that I actually had plantar's warts and
that water was the worst thing for them. D'OH!

Not as bad as the doc who removes the wrong eyeball or leg, of course.
Or quintuples a person's meds. Or, or, or...

> Docs know far far more more than laypeople but they can
> nonetheless in the grand scheme be very limited in what they know. Also,
> some, like my former doc, are not so motivated to think things
> through/investigate problems, and some are stuck in wellworn ways of
> thinking and have trouble with solutions to problems that don't fit into
> their patterns.

I have no doubt of that. Hey, doctors are people, right? (No, they're
not Gods, Om. They only think so, yes?)

> There's a good book that came out about a year ago called
> "How Doctors Think" by a doc about his experiences as a
> doctor and later as a patient.

Never heard of it.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/AS...kstorenow79-20

Will take a peek. Thanks!

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Zen Cohen was thinking very little as the Kiddie he is :

> My pulomonologist..

lol

> relented to my bugging him about letting me get back to
> lifting weights -- but limited me to 10 pounds.

If you, the Kiddie badgered any physician into an unhealthy exercise
routine, both the doc and you need to be permanently enlisted in the
Kiddie Hall of Infamy

> I went to the gym yesterday
> and did lateral raises with 10 pd weights for too may reps to even count so I
> stopped and did some cardio instead (which he says is OK). Should I even
> bother with weights? I'm not very big but have OK definition. Anything I can
> do to maintain what I have?

Let's see.

Aren't you now under complete cardiological workup?

My, how kiddies screw themselves.

"Mu" <danmc51@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:48410a45$0$25950$6e1ede2f@read.cnntp.org...
> Zen Cohen was thinking very little as the Kiddie he is :
>
>> My pulomonologist..
>
> lol

http://tinyurl.com/5bqvvs

Yup - LOL