Advice needed - newbie

Hello everyone

I was just after a little advice really, there seems to be so much on
the web, but I figured it would be better getting info from the horses
mouth, so to speak.

I'd like to develop my upper body somewhat, I'm fairly slim at the
moment (apart from a growing belly!)....I don't really get a chance to
do much exercise these days cos of work/studying hassles...I'm 29,
male, about 65Kg and 5'11.

What I've started doing is 30 pressups in the morning, and 30 when in
the evening as a warm up to a regime. At the moment, I only do these on
alternate days so that I have one day's full rest in between. I know
two sessions of 30 pressups is hardly great, but I wasn't sure if it
would be a good idea to start doing it every day if I've done little
exercise before.

I have a couple of questions -

i) Should I continue with the pressups on alternate days, or look to
doing them every day?
ii) I've heard pressups are more useful for the chest, than the arms
(biceps/triceps). Can anyone recommend any exercises for the arms?
iii) As for food intake, what's the recommendation? I have completely
stopped eating take-aways and the burgers and the like to reduce my
fat. At the moment, I'm eating cereal for breakfast, a ham salad
sandwich for lunch, and then a rice/vegetables/meat or
pasta/vegetables/meat dinner. A couple of fruits in between (normally
bananas). Any type of meat to avoid/go for?

Any other recommendations on what to eat or not to, or in fact anything
in general?

<smokejo@googlemail.com> schreef:

> i) Should I continue with the pressups on alternate days, or look to
> doing them every day?

Can you do dips instead?

> ii) I've heard pressups are more useful for the chest, than the arms
> (biceps/triceps). Can anyone recommend any exercises for the arms?

Depends on the distance between the hands. You can shift the load to the
triceps.

Try pull-ups and dips.

Buy a set of adjustable dumbells, if possible. Then you can do arm specific
work.
And a lot of other exercises...

> iii) As for food intake, what's the recommendation?

Eat whatever you want to eat, and gulp down several protein shakes each day.
Take a generic multi vit/min tab.
Take other supps if you have the desire to do so.

----
Pete

On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 smokejo@googlemail.com wrote:

> Any other recommendations on what to eat or not to, or in fact anything
> in general?

Get to a gym and lift some weights!

Or if getting to a gym twice a week is impractical, get down to Argos and
drop fifty-six quid on the following:

http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...er/3023204.htm
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...er/3025367.htm
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...er/3023792.htm
http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...er/3003341.htm

You do some skipping to warm up, then use the weights for bench presses
(on the ball), bent-over rows, shoulder presses, upright rows, curls, and
tricep extensions, and the bar for chin-ups. Make sure you eat a lot, and
you'll get what you want.

tom

--
He's taking towel fandom to a whole other bad level. -- applez,
of coalescent

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Dnia 2006-11-25 smokejo@googlemail.com napisa³(a):
> Hello everyone
>
> I was just after a little advice really, there seems to be so much on
> the web, but I figured it would be better getting info from the horses
> mouth, so to speak.
>
> I'd like to develop my upper body somewhat, I'm fairly slim at the
> moment (apart from a growing belly!)....I don't really get a chance to
> do much exercise these days cos of work/studying hassles...I'm 29,
> male, about 65Kg and 5'11.
>
> What I've started doing is 30 pressups

You mean pushups?

> in the morning, and 30 when in
> the evening as a warm up to a regime. At the moment, I only do these on
> alternate days so that I have one day's full rest in between. I know
> two sessions of 30 pressups is hardly great, but I wasn't sure if it
> would be a good idea to start doing it every day if I've done little
> exercise before.

No problem. In high school I used to do pushups daily and I'm still
alive.

> I have a couple of questions -
>
> i) Should I continue with the pressups on alternate days, or look to
> doing them every day?

Whatever you prefer.

> ii) I've heard pressups are more useful for the chest, than the arms
> (biceps/triceps). Can anyone recommend any exercises for the arms?

Parallel dips for pressing muscles (triceps, lower chest, front
shoulders). Pullups for pulling muscles (biceps and back). I used to
do dips between backs of chairs. Do handstands for time and later
progress to handstand pushups for shoulders.

> iii) As for food intake, what's the recommendation? I have completely
> stopped eating take-aways and the burgers and the like to reduce my
> fat. At the moment, I'm eating cereal for breakfast, a ham salad
> sandwich for lunch, and then a rice/vegetables/meat or
> pasta/vegetables/meat dinner. A couple of fruits in between (normally
> bananas). Any type of meat to avoid/go for?

I'm not aware of any popular meat which is bad for muscle building.
Eat meat.

> Any other recommendations on what to eat or not to, or in fact anything
> in general?

If you plan on doing bodyweight exercises, do search for some more
difficult variations. Bryce Lyne has a booklet about bodyweight
bodybuilding. I haven't read it, but I read his other writings. He's
very wise guy. You can build a lot of muscles with "just" bodyweight
exercises. Just persist on doing them regularly and increase
difficulty as you progress.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

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Dnia 2006-11-25 Tom Anderson napisa³(a):
> On Sat, 25 Nov 2006 smokejo@googlemail.com wrote:
>
>> Any other recommendations on what to eat or not to, or in fact anything
>> in general?
>
> Get to a gym and lift some weights!

I wouldn't. I did this gym stuff several times, and it doesn't work
for me.

> Or if getting to a gym twice a week is impractical, get down to Argos and
> drop fifty-six quid on the following:
>
> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...er/3023204.htm

Jump-rope. Makes sense if he likes to do cardio.

> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...er/3025367.htm

Plastic weights set up to 50kg. I wouldn't buy it, but if there is
place enough for overhead lifting it would be fine do do them. I'm
partial to one-armed lifting.

> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...er/3023792.htm

Stability ball. What for? It takes loads of place and allows you to
do all of one or two good exercises.

> http://www.argos.co.uk/static/Produc...er/3003341.htm

Doorframe mounted chin-up bar. Good thing. Takes no place and allows
for a lot of good exercises.

> You do some skipping to warm up, then use the weights for bench presses
> (on the ball),

Not an option with this ball. It's "rated" for up to all of 125 kg.
Besides, feet-elevated pushups will give him similar weight as all the
weights on the barbell. Better option would be to go to Home Depot and
buy several packs of 50lbs of sand. Put the sand in backpack and do
weighted pushups. They are good exercise, actually. He'll get core
stability and lower chance of injury due to unrestricted mobility of
shoulder blades for free.

> bent-over rows, shoulder presses, upright rows, curls, and
> tricep extensions, and the bar for chin-ups.

It's no nonsense workout, but I wouldn't do it this way. One can train
in gym or at home, but not always exactly the same exercises work
equally good in both settings.

> Make sure you eat a lot, and you'll get what you want.

He wants to lose fat. Relative strength lifts make sense in such a
situation.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

smokejo,

Lifting weights is important and all, but that alone won't make you gain
weight. You gain weight by eating. Track how many calories you eat in
a day so you know where you're starting. Hopefully, you're downing at
least 2000. If so, then bump it to 2500 to 3000. If not, try to eat at
least that much.

The muscles of your upper body aren't as big as the muscles in your
legs. If you develop just the top, you're missing out on your potential
on the legs.

People will argue with me about this, but you should get a gym
membership and make that your new religion. Get a manual like "Body
Sculpting Bible for Men". I've used this, and it works.

But overall, you gotta eat. EAT EAT EAT. Mangia mangia mangia.

SEAL

smokejo@googlemail.com wrote:
> Hello everyone
>
> I was just after a little advice really, there seems to be so much on
> the web, but I figured it would be better getting info from the horses
> mouth, so to speak.
>
> I'd like to develop my upper body somewhat, I'm fairly slim at the
> moment (apart from a growing belly!)....I don't really get a chance to
> do much exercise these days cos of work/studying hassles...I'm 29,
> male, about 65Kg and 5'11.
>
> What I've started doing is 30 pressups in the morning, and 30 when in
> the evening as a warm up to a regime. At the moment, I only do these on
> alternate days so that I have one day's full rest in between. I know
> two sessions of 30 pressups is hardly great, but I wasn't sure if it
> would be a good idea to start doing it every day if I've done little
> exercise before.
>
> I have a couple of questions -
>
> i) Should I continue with the pressups on alternate days, or look to
> doing them every day?
> ii) I've heard pressups are more useful for the chest, than the arms
> (biceps/triceps). Can anyone recommend any exercises for the arms?
> iii) As for food intake, what's the recommendation? I have completely
> stopped eating take-aways and the burgers and the like to reduce my
> fat. At the moment, I'm eating cereal for breakfast, a ham salad
> sandwich for lunch, and then a rice/vegetables/meat or
> pasta/vegetables/meat dinner. A couple of fruits in between (normally
> bananas). Any type of meat to avoid/go for?
>
> Any other recommendations on what to eat or not to, or in fact anything
> in general?
>

"SEAL" <usseal3@gmail[removethis].com> wrote
> smokejo,
>
> Lifting weights is important and all, but that alone won't make you gain
> weight. You gain weight by eating.

Or by moving to a planet with greater mass. Or by suffering from congestive
heart failure. Or by traveling closer and closer to the speed of light.

Eating may be easier.

David

Cohen wrote:
> "SEAL" wrote
> > smokejo,
> >
> > Lifting weights is important and all, but that alone won't
> > make you gain weight. You gain weight by eating.
>
> Or by moving to a planet with greater mass. Or by suffering
> from congestive heart failure. Or by traveling closer and
> closer to the speed of light.

How much does a pleomorphic whatever typically weigh? Because, yeah.

> Eating may be easier.

I suspect that'd be true.

> David

--
Curt

smokejo wrote:
[...]

> I'd like to develop my upper body somewhat, I'm fairly slim at the
> moment (apart from a growing belly!)....I don't really get a chance to
> do much exercise these days cos of work/studying hassles...I'm 29,
> male, about 65Kg and 5'11.

65 x 2 = 130 + 13 = 143 lbs.

Okay, so you're a slim one. THANK YOU! I'm tired of being the skinniest
person here.

> <snip> started doing is 30 pressups in the morning,
> and 30 when in the evening <snip>
>
> i) Should I continue with the pressups on alternate
> days, or look to doing them every day?

It seems it's general calisthenics and so could easily be done daily.

> ii) I've heard pressups are more useful for the chest,
> than the arms (biceps/triceps).

Move your hands closer together to work your triceps and spread them
farther apart to work chest.

> Can anyone recommend any exercises for the arms?

Chins with your palms facing you, db curls, barbell curls, bent rows,
squats, close grip benches, regular benches, and more I'm sure.

> iii) As for food intake, what's the recommendation?

You're slight and so need to EAT, but force-feeding can be a chore.
Therefore it would probably be wiser to eat up to eight times a day.
Three regular meals with snacks in between meals - protein shakes, etc.
And make that et cetera heavy on the calories.

[...]

> Any other recommendations on what to eat or not
> to, or in fact anything in general?

You've never worked out before? Perhaps diet and general exercise is
the way to go for your fitness start-up.

Years and years ago, Robert Kennedy had an article in MMI which
recommended expanding the food items on your personal menu in
combination with walking or light jogging around the track, some
pushups and freehand squats, chins, and other exercises to boost the
bodyweight of skinny teens. At 29, you're no longer a teenager, but you
may benefit by widening your healthy-eating horzons. I know I used to
be a very picky eater. I still find it very easy to skip meals and
often go without eating a substantial meal. This obviously will block
anyone's weight gains and/or muscular gains.

What the article suggested was to gradually increase your calorie
intake not be counting calories, but by simply increasing the food
choices you allow yourself. If you normally don't eat a certain food
then just try a small portion. Increasing your menu along with general
exercise, Kennedy stated, will bump your bodyweight up without needing
to immediately jump into a weight training regimen.

Best of luck in reaching your fitness goals.

--
Curt

"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote
> smokejo wrote:
> [...]
>
>> I'd like to develop my upper body somewhat, I'm fairly slim at the
>> moment (apart from a growing belly!)....I don't really get a chance to
>> do much exercise these days cos of work/studying hassles...I'm 29,
>> male, about 65Kg and 5'11.
>
> 65 x 2 = 130 + 13 = 143 lbs.
>
> Okay, so you're a slim one. THANK YOU! I'm tired of being the skinniest
> person here.

Your other faults make up for it.

Ha ha!

David
in Las Vegas, no peace-inducing ear muffs

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter,
and those who matter don't mind."
- Dr. Seuss

"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> ["Followup-To:" header set to misc.fitness.weights.]
> Dnia 2006-11-25 smokejo@googlemail.com napisa³(a):
>> Hello everyone
>>
>> I was just after a little advice really, there seems to be so much on
>> the web, but I figured it would be better getting info from the horses
>> mouth, so to speak.
>>
>> I'd like to develop my upper body somewhat, I'm fairly slim at the
>> moment (apart from a growing belly!)....I don't really get a chance to
>> do much exercise these days cos of work/studying hassles...I'm 29,
>> male, about 65Kg and 5'11.
>>
>> What I've started doing is 30 pressups
>
> You mean pushups?

No, in English, they are, always have been, and hopefully always will be
press-ups!


[...]


--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote
>> smokejo wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>> I'd like to develop my upper body somewhat, I'm fairly slim at the
>>> moment (apart from a growing belly!)....I don't really get a chance to
>>> do much exercise these days cos of work/studying hassles...I'm 29,
>>> male, about 65Kg and 5'11.
>>
>> 65 x 2 = 130 + 13 = 143 lbs.
>>
>> Okay, so you're a slim one. THANK YOU! I'm tired of being the skinniest
>> person here.
>
>Your other faults make up for it.

Curt? Faults? How can you say that about MFW's Font of Googled
Wisdom and Defender of the Downtrodden®?

Thanks all for their replies, very much appreciated..... Yeah, I am
quite slim and, similar to Curt, I can still easily miss a meal and not
feel tired or bad about it. I need to get that sorted. One of the
problems for me though is that even though I'm fairly slim, my belly
(for want of a better word) is getting larger - disproportionately to
the size of my body! So now, when I stand up, I can actually see it
sticking out somewhat. I used to play football (soccer) a lot over the
years, and a fair bit of swimming as well, so I guess this kept it in
check. The belly thing seems to run in the family as all my Dad's side
were skinny until their early thirties, and then just ballooned.

What I'm worried is that if I do start eating a lot more, this will go
straight to the belly. I guess I have to eat *and* make sure I maintain
an increasing fitness regime. I still do play football, although less
regularly, so do get the work out for my legs, it's the upper body that
doesn't get much anymore as I don't have the time to go swimming...what
I'm going to do is make sure I do now though, at least once a week.

Am popping down to Argos to get some of those items Tom mentioned
earlier...just one more question, and please forgive me if this sounds
silly...Tom mentioned to do bench presses on the ball (which Andre
later said wasn't a good idea due to its rating)...how exactly is this
done? Do you lay on the ball and bench press?

Thanks again all!

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 smokejo@googlemail.com wrote:

> What I'm worried is that if I do start eating a lot more, this will go
> straight to the belly. I guess I have to eat *and* make sure I maintain
> an increasing fitness regime.

You will almost certainly put on fat as well as muscle. That's just the
way the cookie crumbles .

> Am popping down to Argos to get some of those items Tom mentioned
> earlier...

Great. Good luck!

> just one more question, and please forgive me if this sounds silly...Tom
> mentioned to do bench presses on the ball (which Andre later said wasn't
> a good idea due to its rating)...

Which was a very good point. You shouldn't put more than 125 kg on it,
which is your current weight plus 60 kg. That's enough for now, since
that's only a 50 kg weight set, but you'll want to be adding more weight
(by buying more plates) at some point. You might therefore be better off
getting a more heavy-duty ball, which should be easy to get in a proper
sports store. Or, if you have some piece of furniture you can use for
bench presses, just use that.

> how exactly is this done? Do you lay on the ball and bench press?

Yes. There are some pictures of a chap doing it here:

http://www.bench-press.net/swiss-ball-bench-press.html

It's less stable than a bench for pressing, so it gives you some stability
training as well as strength, although you might find you can't lift as
much as on a bench. Also, note that you're doing them with dumbbells
rather than a bar - if you're working out without a spotter, that's a good
principle anyway, as it's much harder to injure yourself if you drop the
weight that way.

Are you familiar with ExRx:

http://www.exrx.net/

? It's very helpful, particularly the exercise directory:

http://www.exrx.net/Lists/Directory.html

For example, the exercises i suggested in my previous post:

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...enchPress.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...ntOverRow.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/.../WtPullup.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...andChinup.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...lderPress.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...prightRow.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/Biceps/DBCurl.html
http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...ArmTriExt.html

Although i would (and do) do things standing rather than sitting, in the
cases where ExRx shows that, and i wouldn't (and don't) do curls and
tripce extensions, since the other exercises should work the arms out
adequately.

tom

--
A, B.B.C., Cham, Creel, Dvandra, Follow, Hat, Interval, Look, Moul, Ow,
Poise, Quemadero, Rob, Ser, Soot, Su, Thru, Unemancipated, Wave

Cohen wrote:
> "Curt" wrote
[...]

> > THANK YOU! I'm tired of being the skinniest
> > person here.
>
> Your other faults make up for it.
>
> Ha ha!
>
> David
> in Las Vegas, no peace-inducing ear muffs

Peace-indu... ha HA! Ya liked that, did ya?

Regardless, I have no faults. I am perfection. I mean, come one, just
look at me! Er, I mean, "just click the following link!"

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...hgeeeenius.jpg


(No, not you, Cohen. I'm sure you've seen that one before.)

Enjoy Vegas.

--
Curt

"Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> schreef:

> Yes. There are some pictures of a chap doing it here:

> http://www.bench-press.net/swiss-ball-bench-press.html

What a weird exercise.

Whats the point?

----
Pete

John Williams wrote:
> "David Cohen" wrote:
[...]

re yours truly

> >Your other faults make up for it.
>
> Curt? Faults?

I know, right?

> How can you say that about MFW's Font of Googled
> Wisdom and Defender of the Downtrodden®?

SEE, COHEN? PERFECTION!

And that comes straight from MFW's Leader in Graphical Nipple
Manipulation, I might add.

http://www.rustyiron.net/curtinfl.jpg

Perfect and a sexaaay beast.

(kisses bicep)

WELCOME TO THE GUN SHOW! ;o)

So, how's your weekend there, Johnny? Up for a game of hoops or you
taking the family for a drive in the country? Me? Oh, just chillin'.
Might go for a ride this after. Supposed to reach 60 F today. Well,
ping me if you're up for that game of basketball. I always have time
for my bestestest buddy and publicist.

--
Curt

On Nov 26, 7:50 am, "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
> "Tom Anderson" <t...@urchin.earth.li> schreef:
>
> > Yes. There are some pictures of a chap doing it here:
> >http://www.bench-press.net/swiss-bal...press.htmlWhat a weird exercise.
>
> Whats the point?

"2)The swiss ball bench press is a great exercise to compliment your
normal bench press routine. You can use this exercise to increase the
power in your stabilizer muscles, thus increasing your overall bench
press power. "

Btw you can buy exercsie balls that are for weight lifting.
http://backbenimble.com/new/pages/powerballs/?bbvid=hav
"The Sissel X-treme Ball has a weight limit of up to 6,600 lbs and an
ABS (Anti Burst System) rating of up to 2,200 lbs. The Anti Burst
System ensures that the ball deflates slowly if punctured (provided ABS
limits are not exceeded)."


joanne

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006, Pete wrote:

> "Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> schreef:
>
>> Yes. There are some pictures of a chap doing it here:
>>
>> http://www.bench-press.net/swiss-ball-bench-press.html
>
> What a weird exercise.
>
> Whats the point?

It's how you do a bench press if you don't have a bench. That's all.

tom

--
In Milan, [traffic lights] are instructions, in Rome suggestions, and
in Naples Christmas decorations. -- James Dowden

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:44:44 -0000, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
wrote:

>>> What I've started doing is 30 pressups
>>
>> You mean pushups?
>
>No, in English, they are, always have been, and hopefully always will be
>press-ups!

Not in American English.

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:50:04 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> schreef:
>
>> Yes. There are some pictures of a chap doing it here:
>
>> http://www.bench-press.net/swiss-ball-bench-press.html
>
>What a weird exercise.
>
>Whats the point?
>
>----
>Pete

Is it wrong to feel like running up and kicking the ball?

smokejo wrote:

> <snip> mentioned to do bench presses on the
> ball <snip> how exactly is this done? Do you
> lay on the ball and bench press?

FORGET exercise ball benching. Just use a regular bench. As a teenager
I used a picnic bench. Just something sturdy. AND something that's NOT
going to explode (like that ball, but, yeah, probably not) or frigging
roll away from you. D'OH!

If you're benching with a bar then make sure you're working within your
ability or get yourself a spotter. Dumbbell benches avoid the danger of
finding yourself stuck with a bar planted firmly on your sternum.

Sincerely,
Mom

--

"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> schreef:

>>What a weird exercise.

>>Whats the point?

> Is it wrong to feel like running up and kicking the ball?

Depends who is on it ;-O

----
Pete

Dnia 2006-11-26 Tom Anderson napisa³(a):
> On Sun, 26 Nov 2006, Pete wrote:
>
>> "Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> schreef:
>>
>>> Yes. There are some pictures of a chap doing it here:
>>>
>>> http://www.bench-press.net/swiss-ball-bench-press.html
>>
>> What a weird exercise.
>>
>> Whats the point?
>
> It's how you do a bench press if you don't have a bench. That's all.

I did similar stuff (not with a ball, but with back support and ass off
the ground). The biggest problem is to get your dumbbells on your lap
and grab them firmly. The next problem is that all the weight is
pushing against your shoulder blades, firmly planting them to your
support. It's not good from the point of view of overuse injury potential.
Then comes this bull about "stabilizers". I do ring dips three times a
week for a month, and only recently I started to feel like I'm working
my muscles instead of just increasing my skill. Too much instability
is not good. It limits the amount of force your muscles can develop,
so it limits the overload you are able to put on them.

As I said, weighted push-ups do work. If one wants to use dumbbells,
various flyes also do work. Ones I found particularly effective were
"decline" flyes, where you lie on the floor, bend your knees and lift
your butt off the ground. One may do floor V-presses (up and out) and
then finish with a fly motion. Inclines done is similar fashion also
work all right. Old-school crucifix flyes are also nice addition for
upper chest.

Stability ball is IMHO good for ab work and glute-ham-raises, but
that's it. Anyway, good stability ball shouldn't be any cheaper then
simple flat bench, which actually works fine for _benches_.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:44:44 -0000, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
> wrote:
>
>>>> What I've started doing is 30 pressups
>>>
>>> You mean pushups?
>>
>>No, in English, they are, always have been, and hopefully always will be
>>press-ups!
>
> Not in American English.

What's your point?

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter,
and those who matter don't mind."
- Dr. Seuss

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote
> "Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote
>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>>
>>>>> What I've started doing is 30 pressups
>>>>
>>>> You mean pushups?
>>>
>>>No, in English, they are, always have been, and hopefully always will be
>>>press-ups!
>>
>> Not in American English.
>
> What's your point?

That Unitedstatesofamericanese is the more perfected, more highly evolved,
form of English.

David

Cohen wrote:
> "Bully" wrote
> > "Shute" wrote
> >> "Bully" wrote:
[...]

> >>>> You mean pushups?
> >>>
> >>> No, in English, they are, always have been,
> >>> and hopefully always will be press-ups!
> >>
> >> Not in American English.
> >
> > What's your point?
>
> That Unitedstatesofamericanese is the more perfected,
> more highly evolved, form of English.

That's unpossible!

> David

--
Curt

"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote
> Cohen wrote:
>> "Bully" wrote
>> > "Shute" wrote
>> >> "Bully" wrote:
> [...]
>
>> >>>> You mean pushups?
>> >>>
>> >>> No, in English, they are, always have been,
>> >>> and hopefully always will be press-ups!
>> >>
>> >> Not in American English.
>> >
>> > What's your point?
>>
>> That Unitedstatesofamericanese is the more perfected,
>> more highly evolved, form of English.
>
> That's unpossible!

I don't think that that is undeniably not adisunimpossible.

But, a moot point, anyway, as Unitedstatesofamericanese will soon be
replaced by Ebonospanglish.

David

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006, Curt wrote:

> smokejo wrote:
>
>> <snip> mentioned to do bench presses on the ball <snip> how exactly is
>> this done? Do you lay on the ball and bench press?
>
> FORGET exercise ball benching. Just use a regular bench.

That's good advice - if you have a bench!

tom

--
Once you notice that something doesn't seem to have all the necessary
parts to enable its functions, it is going to mildly bug you until you
figure it out. -- John Rowland

Tom Anderson wrote:
> Curt wrote:
[...]

> > FORGET exercise ball benching. Just use
> > a regular bench.
>
> That's good advice - if you have a bench!

heh )

True.

But which would be more likely to be found in a home? An exercise ball
or a sturdy flat surface?

My first bench was a picnic bench. Iirc, I sometimes put a folded towel
down for some padding. And people have been known to bench on the
floor. I, for one (being ultimately uncoordinated and certainly doomed
to roll immediately off of any exercise ball), would absolutely fill a
cardboard box with magazines and then drape that folded bath towel on
top for needed padding as my makeshift bench before I'd risk rolling
sidewise off an inflated globe. Ymmv, naturally.

> tom

--
Curt

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 21:23:41 GMT, "David Cohen"
<sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote
>> Cohen wrote:
>>> "Bully" wrote
>>> > "Shute" wrote
>>> >> "Bully" wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>>> >>>> You mean pushups?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> No, in English, they are, always have been,
>>> >>> and hopefully always will be press-ups!
>>> >>
>>> >> Not in American English.
>>> >
>>> > What's your point?
>>>
>>> That Unitedstatesofamericanese is the more perfected,
>>> more highly evolved, form of English.
>>
>> That's unpossible!
>
>I don't think that that is undeniably not adisunimpossible.
>
>But, a moot point, anyway, as Unitedstatesofamericanese will soon be
>replaced by Ebonospanglish.
>
>David

Trouble with ebonics is it keeps changing. As soon as the white
folks figure out what they are saying new words emerge to replace
them.

Did you ever see the movie Airplane? I was watching this show and
they where talking about a clip in that where no one can understand
what the two black guys are saying. They even had a translation
scroll on the screen. That was way back before ebonics really kicked
in.

On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 18:53:14 -0000, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
wrote:

>"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote in message
>news:shgjm21ppaaac5mi3p056g4mpc6586674e@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 26 Nov 2006 08:44:44 -0000, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> What I've started doing is 30 pressups
>>>>
>>>> You mean pushups?
>>>
>>>No, in English, they are, always have been, and hopefully always will be
>>>press-ups!
>>
>> Not in American English.
>
>What's your point?

The world follows the almighty America and not England. Which is good
because third world prostitutes know what a rubber really means.

Shute wrote:
[...]

> As soon as the white folks figure out what they
> are saying new words emerge to replace them.

Good.

http://urbandictionary.com/

Keep up!

> Did you ever see the movie Airplane? I was watching
> this show and they where talking about a clip in that
> where no one can understand what the two black
> guys are saying. They even had a translation scroll
> on the screen.

I remember that scene.

> That was way back before ebonics really kicked in.

That was also waaaay back when they used something called humor in
movies. You do realize that Airplane was a comedy and not a
documentary, right? ;o)

--
Curt

"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Cohen wrote:
>>>> "Bully" wrote
>>>> > "Shute" wrote
>>>> >> "Bully" wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> >>>> You mean pushups?
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> No, in English, they are, always have been,
>>>> >>> and hopefully always will be press-ups!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Not in American English.
>>>> >
>>>> > What's your point?
>>>>
>>>> That Unitedstatesofamericanese is the more perfected,
>>>> more highly evolved, form of English.
>>>
>>> That's unpossible!
>>
>>I don't think that that is undeniably not adisunimpossible.
>>
>>But, a moot point, anyway, as Unitedstatesofamericanese will soon be
>>replaced by Ebonospanglish.
>
> Trouble with ebonics is it keeps changing. As soon as the white
> folks figure out what they are saying new words emerge to replace
> them.

It continually evolves, which makes it superior.

> Did you ever see the movie Airplane? I was watching this show and
> they where talking about a clip in that where no one can understand
> what the two black guys are saying. They even had a translation
> scroll on the screen. That was way back before ebonics really kicked
> in.

That was "real" ebonics, with some cultural heritage, before the wiggers
like Mr Britney Spears got ahold of it.

I still can't figure out technogamergeekspeak, but, unlike Ebonospanglish,
it's a short term fad.

David

On 26 Nov 2006 14:54:11 -0800, "Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote:

>That was also waaaay back when they used something called humor in
>movies. You do realize that Airplane was a comedy and not a
>documentary, right? ;o)

That is why I liked Borat so much. I actually laughed throughout the
movie. Most modern movies are considered funny if they can just
barely crack a smile. I watched Starsky and Hutch and didn't laugh
once the entire movie.

A more modern comic genius is Office Space. I think everyone I know
got a kick out of that one.