It ain't a smith machine, It is a Jones Machine!!

It costs a lot more than a power cage, but it isn't that much more than a
commercial smith machine. I have seen this before. But this is the cheapest
one I have seen.

http://www.bodycraft.com/

"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> schreef:

|> It costs a lot more than a power cage, but it isn't that much more than a
> commercial smith machine. I have seen this before. But this is the
> cheapest one I have seen.

> http://www.bodycraft.com/

Very cool!

I will send this link to the gym owner.

----
Pete

Pete wrote:
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> schreef:
>
>>> It costs a lot more than a power cage, but it isn't that much more
>>> than a
>> commercial smith machine. I have seen this before. But this is the
>> cheapest one I have seen.
>
>> http://www.bodycraft.com/
>
> Very cool!
>
> I will send this link to the gym owner.
>
> ----
> Pete

The Gym Owner? Is there just the One Gym, with One Owner then?

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Lee Michaels wrote:

> It costs a lot more than a power cage, but it isn't that much more than
> a commercial smith machine.

That's pretty cool. But, er, what's the point? What does it do that a
power cage doesn't?

tom

--
Safety not guaranteed. I have only done this once before.

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

>>> http://www.bodycraft.com/

>> Very cool!

>> I will send this link to the gym owner.

> The Gym Owner? Is there just the One Gym, with One Owner then?

Well, if i said "my gym owner" it would imply that he is mine.

Maybe the correct way to say it is;

I will send this link to the owner of the gym that owns the gym where i
train?

Or;

I will send this link to the gym owner, who happens to own this particular
gym that own, but also owns other gyms as well?

Or;

I will send this link to gym owner, who DOESNT own the gym where i train,
but send it anyway?

----
Pete

Lee Michaels wrote:
> It costs a lot more than a power cage, but it isn't that much more than a
> commercial smith machine. I have seen this before. But this is the cheapest
> one I have seen.
>
> http://www.leemichaelsisaspammingpos.com/

FOAD, you SPOS!!!!! (Hi, Lee :-)
ps

Pat yelled
>
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>> It costs a lot more than a power cage, but it isn't that much more than a
>> commercial smith machine. I have seen this before. But this is the
>> cheapest
>> one I have seen.
>>
>> http://www.leemichaelsisaspammingpos.com/
>
> FOAD, you SPOS!!!!! (Hi, Lee :-)
> ps
>

Pat, is that you??

I thought that you would be in Iraq being a combat accountant!

Ya know, laying waste to the enemy with an adding machine.

How is the glute ham machine? Did you manage to put it together yet?

"Tom Anderson" wrote

> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Lee Michaels wrote:
>
>> It costs a lot more than a power cage, but it isn't that much more than a
>> commercial smith machine.
>
> That's pretty cool. But, er, what's the point? What does it do that a
> power cage doesn't?
>

That is true. You can argue that it is not as safe as a power rack because
you have to rotate the bar to get the hooks over the pegs that will stop the
weight.

There is a smith machine movement out there in the consumer market. Many gym
equipment stores do not even carry power racks any more. But the do carry a
huge variety of smith machines. I think that the above product is an attempt
by a small manufacturer to sell a "high end" smith machine to the public.

Nobody is trying to be logical here. Just sell the products that the
ignorant public will buy. It helps to be ignorant when it comes to this kind
of thing. That way you don't have to be rational.

In article <Be6dnSKTicsBMvvYnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:

> It costs a lot more than a power cage, but it isn't that much more than a
> commercial smith machine. I have seen this before. But this is the cheapest
> one I have seen.

Have you tried it? I get the sense it looks better then it performs.

>
> http://www.bodycraft.com/

On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Pete wrote:

> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>
>>>> http://www.bodycraft.com/
>>>
>>> Very cool!
>>>
>>> I will send this link to the gym owner.
>>
>> The Gym Owner? Is there just the One Gym, with One Owner then?
>
> Well, if i said "my gym owner" it would imply that he is mine.

Is that not the case? I would have assumed he was your bitch, and that you
control him.

> Maybe the correct way to say it is;
>
> I will send this link to the owner of the gym that owns the gym where i
> train?

No, that implies that the gym where you train is owned by another gym, and
you're going to send it to the guy who owns that.

> I will send this link to the gym owner, who happens to own this
> particular gym that own, but also owns other gyms as well?

That still implies there's one big Gym Owner, only now you're explicitly
saying he owns several gyms, which is a tautology.

> I will send this link to gym owner, who DOESNT own the gym where i
> train, but send it anyway?

Oxymoron.

HTH.

tom

--
i'm prepared to do anything as long as someone else works out how to do
it and gives me simple instructions... -- Sean

Will Brink wrote:
> In article <Be6dnSKTicsBMvvYnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Lee
> Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> It costs a lot more than a power cage, but it isn't that much more
>> than a commercial smith machine. I have seen this before. But this
>> is the cheapest one I have seen.
>
> Have you tried it? I get the sense it looks better then it performs.
>
>>
>> http://www.bodycraft.com/

Yeah, I'm wondering how smoothly it "glides" back and forth when there's 3
plates/side on the bar???

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Tom Anderson wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Pete wrote:
>
>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>>
>>>>> http://www.bodycraft.com/
>>>>
>>>> Very cool!
>>>>
>>>> I will send this link to the gym owner.
>>>
>>> The Gym Owner? Is there just the One Gym, with One Owner then?
>>
>> Well, if i said "my gym owner" it would imply that he is mine.
>
> Is that not the case? I would have assumed he was your bitch, and
> that you control him.
>
>> Maybe the correct way to say it is;
>>
>> I will send this link to the owner of the gym that owns the gym
>> where i train?
>
> No, that implies that the gym where you train is owned by another
> gym, and you're going to send it to the guy who owns that.
>
>> I will send this link to the gym owner, who happens to own this
>> particular gym that own, but also owns other gyms as well?
>
> That still implies there's one big Gym Owner, only now you're
> explicitly saying he owns several gyms, which is a tautology.
>
>> I will send this link to gym owner, who DOESNT own the gym where i
>> train, but send it anyway?
>
> Oxymoron.

That's a bit harsh!!!

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:willbrink-2411060955410001@192.168.2.156...
> In article <Be6dnSKTicsBMvvYnZ2dnUVZ_vadnZ2d@comcast.com>, "Lee Michaels"
> <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> It costs a lot more than a power cage, but it isn't that much more than a
>> commercial smith machine. I have seen this before. But this is the
>> cheapest
>> one I have seen.
>
> Have you tried it? I get the sense it looks better then it performs.
>
No, I haven't tried it. I think that it performs OK. I just don't think that
it is that durable.

I have seen some big, industrial versions of this machine years ago that
were made form high quality components. This is a cheap knock off of those
other machines.

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

> Yeah, I'm wondering how smoothly it "glides" back and forth when there's 3
> plates/side on the bar???

Which exercise did you have in mind with 3 plates on each side?

I am sure that with 3 plates on each side, the movement is dominantly
vertical.

----
Pete

Pete wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>
>> Yeah, I'm wondering how smoothly it "glides" back and forth when
>> there's 3 plates/side on the bar???
>
> Which exercise did you have in mind with 3 plates on each side?

Primarily squats, or bench.

>
> I am sure that with 3 plates on each side, the movement is dominantly
> vertical.

Well it ain't gonna be horizontal, is it? Seriously though -- you say
dominantly. It's never going to be perfectly horizontally so there will
always be back and forth movement, right?

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Dnia 2006-11-24 Bully napisa³(a):
> Pete wrote:
>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>>
>>> Yeah, I'm wondering how smoothly it "glides" back and forth when
>>> there's 3 plates/side on the bar???
>>
>> Which exercise did you have in mind with 3 plates on each side?
>
> Primarily squats, or bench.
>
>>
>> I am sure that with 3 plates on each side, the movement is dominantly
>> vertical.
>
> Well it ain't gonna be horizontal, is it? Seriously though -- you say
> dominantly. It's never going to be perfectly horizontally so there will
> always be back and forth movement, right?

I think that if you actually lift those 3 plates per side, then forces
on the barbell must balance, so in a way, the weight on the bar retains
only inertia. I mean, it should work better than Smith machine.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

What brands/types of power racks are popular among lifters? Any links?
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"Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:GdudnRdkOcjolfrYnZ2dnUVZ_rSdnZ2d@comcast.com. ..
>
> "Tom Anderson" wrote
>
>> On Fri, 24 Nov 2006, Lee Michaels wrote:
>>
>>> It costs a lot more than a power cage, but it isn't that much more than
>>> a commercial smith machine.
>>
>> That's pretty cool. But, er, what's the point? What does it do that a
>> power cage doesn't?
>>
>
> That is true. You can argue that it is not as safe as a power rack
> because you have to rotate the bar to get the hooks over the pegs that
> will stop the weight.
>
> There is a smith machine movement out there in the consumer market. Many
> gym equipment stores do not even carry power racks any more. But the do
> carry a huge variety of smith machines. I think that the above product is
> an attempt by a small manufacturer to sell a "high end" smith machine to
> the public.
>
> Nobody is trying to be logical here. Just sell the products that the
> ignorant public will buy. It helps to be ignorant when it comes to this
> kind of thing. That way you don't have to be rational.
>
>
>
>

Proctologically Violated©® wrote:
> What brands/types of power racks are popular among lifters? Any links?
> --
> ------
> Mr. P.V.'d (formerly Droll Troll), Yonkers, NY
>
> Stop Corruption in Congress & Send the Ultimate Message:
> Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.
> Ending Corruption in Congress is the *Single Best Way*
> to Materially Improve Your Family's Life.
> The Solution is so simple--and inexpensive!
> Eat more Spooge!!! Just like me!!
> Ask me where I got my sig!

Ask your informercial butty.

I own you, beyotch!!

Now drop, and push until I'm tired!!

Lee Michaels wrote:
> Pat yelled
> >
> > Lee Michaels wrote:
> >> It costs a lot more than a power cage, but it isn't that much more than a
> >> commercial smith machine. I have seen this before. But this is the
> >> cheapest
> >> one I have seen.
> >>
> >> http://www.leemichaelsisaspammingpos.com/
> >
> > FOAD, you SPOS!!!!! (Hi, Lee :-)
> > ps
> >
>
> Pat, is that you??

Yeah, I believe my identity was confirmed by Mr. Cohen. ;-)

> I thought that you would be in Iraq being a combat accountant!
>
> Ya know, laying waste to the enemy with an adding machine.

So far I've only been able to make it to Kuwait, but you never know.

> How is the glute ham machine? Did you manage to put it together yet?

Bastid! Yes, I got it put together. It was a great addition to the
gym, and it seemed to be a big plus for my hitting and running the past
couple of seasons.
ps

<padstyles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1164449789.641127.137640@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>> Pat yelled
>> >
>> > Lee Michaels wrote:
>> >> It costs a lot more than a power cage, but it isn't that much more
>> >> than a
>> >> commercial smith machine. I have seen this before. But this is the
>> >> cheapest
>> >> one I have seen.
>> >>
>> >> http://www.leemichaelsisaspammingpos.com/
>> >
>> > FOAD, you SPOS!!!!! (Hi, Lee :-)
>> > ps
>> >
>>
>> Pat, is that you??
>
> Yeah, I believe my identity was confirmed by Mr. Cohen. ;-)
>
>> I thought that you would be in Iraq being a combat accountant!
>>
>> Ya know, laying waste to the enemy with an adding machine.
>
> So far I've only been able to make it to Kuwait, but you never know.
>
>> How is the glute ham machine? Did you manage to put it together yet?
>
> Bastid! Yes, I got it put together. It was a great addition to the
> gym, and it seemed to be a big plus for my hitting and running the past
> couple of seasons.
> ps

Which one did you get? I've been considering the NY Barbell unit after
failing to get a line on a used piece of professional equipment locally.

ATP* wrote:
> <padstyles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1164449789.641127.137640@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > Lee Michaels wrote:
> >> Pat yelled
> >> >
> >> > Lee Michaels wrote:
> >> >> It costs a lot more than a power cage, but it isn't that much more
> >> >> than a
> >> >> commercial smith machine. I have seen this before. But this is the
> >> >> cheapest
> >> >> one I have seen.
> >> >>
> >> >> http://www.leemichaelsisaspammingpos.com/
> >> >
> >> > FOAD, you SPOS!!!!! (Hi, Lee :-)
> >> > ps
> >> >
> >>
> >> Pat, is that you??
> >
> > Yeah, I believe my identity was confirmed by Mr. Cohen. ;-)
> >
> >> I thought that you would be in Iraq being a combat accountant!
> >>
> >> Ya know, laying waste to the enemy with an adding machine.
> >
> > So far I've only been able to make it to Kuwait, but you never know.
> >
> >> How is the glute ham machine? Did you manage to put it together yet?
> >
> > Bastid! Yes, I got it put together. It was a great addition to the
> > gym, and it seemed to be a big plus for my hitting and running the past
> > couple of seasons.
> > ps
>
> Which one did you get? I've been considering the NY Barbell unit after
> failing to get a line on a used piece of professional equipment locally.

I got the basic model from Elite Fitness.
ps

>> <padstyles@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1164449789.641127.137640@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> >
>> > Lee Michaels wrote:
>> >> Pat yelled
>> >> >
>> >> > Lee Michaels wrote:
>> >> >> It costs a lot more than a power cage, but it isn't that much more
>> >> >> than a
>> >> >> commercial smith machine. I have seen this before. But this is the
>> >> >> cheapest
>> >> >> one I have seen.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://www.leemichaelsisaspammingpos.com/
>> >> >
>> >> > FOAD, you SPOS!!!!! (Hi, Lee :-)
>> >> > ps
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Pat, is that you??
>> >
>> > Yeah, I believe my identity was confirmed by Mr. Cohen. ;-)
>> >
>> >> I thought that you would be in Iraq being a combat accountant!
>> >>
>> >> Ya know, laying waste to the enemy with an adding machine.
>> >
>> > So far I've only been able to make it to Kuwait, but you never know.
>> >

What was your job tile/function in Kuwait?


>> >> How is the glute ham machine? Did you manage to put it together yet?
>> >>
>> >
>> > Bastid! Yes, I got it put together. It was a great addition to the
>> > gym, and it seemed to be a big plus for my hitting and running the past
>> > couple of seasons.
>> > ps

Glad to hear it.

Has it thickened the errector spinae muscles on each side of the spine on
your lower back? Has it done anything for the top of the glutes and/or the
hamstrings?

Tom Anderson wrote:
[...]

> <snip>tautology<snip>

Is that FOUR syllables? Because I'm afraid you're going to have to sit
by the ferns for a time-out, young man!

Smart people with muscles. BAH!

[...]

> tom

(Googles)

http://dict.die.net/tautology/

Hmmm. So, I could post about the proper number of sets and tautological
movements if I wanted on this bus? Naaah.

--
Curt

> Lee Michaels wrote:
> > ps wrote:

> > So far I've only been able to make it to Kuwait, but you never know.
>
> What was your job tile/function in Kuwait?

It's exactly the same. It's a temporary assignment with my agency and
then I'll be back to San Diego.

> > Bastid! Yes, I got it put together. It was a great addition to the
> > gym, and it seemed to be a big plus for my hitting and running the past
> > couple of seasons.
> > ps
>
> Glad to hear it.
>
> Has it thickened the errector spinae muscles on each side of the spine on
> your lower back? Has it done anything for the top of the glutes and/or the
> hamstrings?

Jesus, Lee, when did you turn gay. I have no idea if it's done any of
those things since I don't spend a lot of time staring at my ass in the
mirror. Do you want me to send you some j-pegs of my backside, ya'
homo?
ps

"I'm GAY AS FUCK!!!" CLC

<padstyles@yahoo.com> went nuts and wrote
>
> Jesus, Lee, when did you turn gay. I have no idea if it's done any of
> those things since I don't spend a lot of time staring at my ass in the
> mirror. Do you want me to send you some j-pegs of my backside, ya'
> homo?
> ps
>
Settle down Pat. I did not mean to excite you so much.

I am evaluating this machine for somebody who needs to grow in size and
strength in the posterior chain area. That is why I asked the questions.

Also, did you have to work into a full range movement over time? Or were
you able to do start with a full range movement?

Lee Michaels wrote:
> <padstyles@yahoo.com> went nuts and wrote
> >
> > Jesus, Lee, when did you turn gay. I have no idea if it's done any of
> > those things since I don't spend a lot of time staring at my ass in the
> > mirror. Do you want me to send you some j-pegs of my backside, ya'
> > homo?
> > ps
> >
> Settle down Pat. I did not mean to excite you so much.

I'm all hot and bothered. ;-)

> I am evaluating this machine for somebody who needs to grow in size and
> strength in the posterior chain area. That is why I asked the questions.

It's OK, Lee, we're all gay as fuck, except Hudson; no need to cover
your tracks, besides I know you're hot for me in a prison way, not a
gay way.

But to give you a serious answer, I really don't know if I got any
hypertrophy going in those areas. I would think so, but I couldn't say
for sure.

> Also, did you have to work into a full range movement over time? Or were
> you able to do start with a full range movement?

I could do a full range once I figured out where to set the foot plate
relative to the pad and get myself in position properly. It was very
difficult and I couldn't do many reps, but I could do the full range
motion. I was hanging the torso down, basically perpendicular to the
ground, and pulling it up from there and on into the ghr at first. I
read somewhere on the elite/westside site that you should start
parallel to the ground, which I then started doing. This is more
difficult for the hamstrings, and if I had started this way, maybe I
wouldn't have been able to do a full range. By hanging down and
getting the torso moving first I had some momentum so the hamstrings
didn't have to fully initiate the movement.

Either way it's a great move and I think both methods have merit. You
get more back extensor work in the first way and hit the hamstrings
harder with the second method. Probably couldn't hurt to use both now
and then. Check the elite site for some good tips on technique and set
x rep schemes.

<padstyles@yahoo.com> finally got around to answering my question
>
> Lee Michaels wrote:
>> <padstyles@yahoo.com> went nuts and wrote
>> >
>> > Jesus, Lee, when did you turn gay. I have no idea if it's done any of
>> > those things since I don't spend a lot of time staring at my ass in the
>> > mirror. Do you want me to send you some j-pegs of my backside, ya'
>> > homo?
>> > ps
>> >
>> Settle down Pat. I did not mean to excite you so much.
>
> I'm all hot and bothered. ;-)
>
>> I am evaluating this machine for somebody who needs to grow in size and
>> strength in the posterior chain area. That is why I asked the questions.
>
> It's OK, Lee, we're all gay as fuck, except Hudson; no need to cover
> your tracks, besides I know you're hot for me in a prison way, not a
> gay way.
>
> But to give you a serious answer, I really don't know if I got any
> hypertrophy going in those areas. I would think so, but I couldn't say
> for sure.
>
>> Also, did you have to work into a full range movement over time? Or were
>> you able to do start with a full range movement?
>
> I could do a full range once I figured out where to set the foot plate
> relative to the pad and get myself in position properly. It was very
> difficult and I couldn't do many reps, but I could do the full range
> motion. I was hanging the torso down, basically perpendicular to the
> ground, and pulling it up from there and on into the ghr at first. I
> read somewhere on the elite/westside site that you should start
> parallel to the ground, which I then started doing. This is more
> difficult for the hamstrings, and if I had started this way, maybe I
> wouldn't have been able to do a full range. By hanging down and
> getting the torso moving first I had some momentum so the hamstrings
> didn't have to fully initiate the movement.
>
> Either way it's a great move and I think both methods have merit. You
> get more back extensor work in the first way and hit the hamstrings
> harder with the second method. Probably couldn't hurt to use both now
> and then. Check the elite site for some good tips on technique and set
> x rep schemes.
>

Thank you for you response Pat.

Lee Michaels wrote:

> Thank you for you response Pat.

NP, Lee. I hope it helps out with your friend, client, or whomever
you're working with.
ps