Almost no equipment training (On Topic).

I need to do something important and I'm in need for excuses to not do
it, so I thought I'll put together some hints about how to get a good
training program with almost no equipment.

For a long time I had this subconscious conviction, that in order to
grow one must do barbell squats, deadlifts and benches, so a home based
workout program *must* be based on power rack.

Well, id doesn't have to be.

Furthermore, for some people living room workouts will actually work
better then power rack in unheated garage or damp and dark basement.

And this kind of training will yield results, if one pushes himself
hard and consistently.

Anyway, I use cheap doorframe mounted chinup bar. It works fine,
if your doorframe can take it and you do not use much total weight.
From what I checked my takes up to 100kg no problem, but I glued it in.
It lets you use the door normally and takes no extra space. I also
made some sort of "rings" (Simple long self-locking straps which I loop
around it. I also threaded them through a bit of thick rubber hose for
"handles").

This thing can deliver very challenging upper body workouts. One may
start with ring pushups and bodyweight rows, then progress to chinups
and ring dips (and farther, of course). For arms one can do "king curls"
and bodyweight pushdowns. Also bodyweight flies work fine and some sort
of bodyweight face pulls. For abs I do leg raises (both off rings and
hanging from a bar) and ring version of ab-wheel. In most cases one adjusts
resistance by changing foot placement and ring length. It works.

For lower body with almost no equipment I'd recommend table stepups,
one legged squats off the chair, pistols and natural glute-ham raises.
To do GHRs one need something stable to anchor their ankles and put a
pillow or something under ones knees. The trick will be in the execution.
Natural GHR is very challenging, so I modified this exercise a bit. I
lean forward some amount, and then bend at the hips and lower my face to
the floor.

So that would be it. An option for anyone who wants to keep working
out while on vacations, visiting family or just having no time for gyms.

P.S. - Anyone who never tried this kind of approach for long enough to
see results and says it will not add muscle mass should be
ignored. Bodyweight exercises will add mass. The trick is to
measure performance not by extra weight added but by *total*
weight lifted. This way one will see improvements in strength
during bulking phase, not decrease of it.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:35:00 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
<bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I need to do something important and I'm in need for excuses to not do
>it, so I thought I'll put together some hints about how to get a good
>training program with almost no equipment.
>
>For a long time I had this subconscious conviction, that in order to
>grow one must do barbell squats, deadlifts and benches, so a home based
>workout program *must* be based on power rack.
>
>Well, id doesn't have to be.
>
>Furthermore, for some people living room workouts will actually work
>better then power rack in unheated garage or damp and dark basement.
>
>And this kind of training will yield results, if one pushes himself
>hard and consistently.
>
>Anyway, I use cheap doorframe mounted chinup bar. It works fine,
>if your doorframe can take it and you do not use much total weight.
>From what I checked my takes up to 100kg no problem, but I glued it in.
>It lets you use the door normally and takes no extra space. I also
>made some sort of "rings" (Simple long self-locking straps which I loop
>around it. I also threaded them through a bit of thick rubber hose for
>"handles").
>
>This thing can deliver very challenging upper body workouts. One may
>start with ring pushups and bodyweight rows, then progress to chinups
>and ring dips (and farther, of course). For arms one can do "king curls"
>and bodyweight pushdowns. Also bodyweight flies work fine and some sort
>of bodyweight face pulls. For abs I do leg raises (both off rings and
>hanging from a bar) and ring version of ab-wheel. In most cases one adjusts
>resistance by changing foot placement and ring length. It works.
>
>For lower body with almost no equipment I'd recommend table stepups,
>one legged squats off the chair, pistols and natural glute-ham raises.
>To do GHRs one need something stable to anchor their ankles and put a
>pillow or something under ones knees. The trick will be in the execution.
>Natural GHR is very challenging, so I modified this exercise a bit. I
>lean forward some amount, and then bend at the hips and lower my face to
>the floor.
>
>So that would be it. An option for anyone who wants to keep working
>out while on vacations, visiting family or just having no time for gyms.
>
>P.S. - Anyone who never tried this kind of approach for long enough to
> see results and says it will not add muscle mass should be
> ignored. Bodyweight exercises will add mass. The trick is to
> measure performance not by extra weight added but by *total*
> weight lifted. This way one will see improvements in strength
> during bulking phase, not decrease of it.

Could we have less of these "On topic" posts; this is essentially a
group to discuss misc. matters concerning dogs, guns, sex and how to
rid the Group of "trolls"!

"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> schreef:

> Could we have less of these "On topic" posts; this is essentially a
> group to discuss misc. matters concerning dogs, guns, sex and how to
> rid the Group of "trolls"!

You forgot big black asses.

Anyway, i like some of the trolls. I mean, they have a social function, so
they are an essential part of the dynamics within this group.

Its just that the quality of the trolls seem to go down at alarming rate!

I mean, i can do a better job.

----
Pete

"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ehqa1k$4b6$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>I need to do something important and I'm in need for excuses to not do
> it, so I thought I'll put together some hints about how to get a good
> training program with almost no equipment.
>
> For a long time I had this subconscious conviction, that in order to
> grow one must do barbell squats, deadlifts and benches, so a home
> based
> workout program *must* be based on power rack.
>
> Well, id doesn't have to be.
>
> Furthermore, for some people living room workouts will actually work
> better then power rack in unheated garage or damp and dark basement.
>
> And this kind of training will yield results, if one pushes himself
> hard and consistently.
>
> Anyway, I use cheap doorframe mounted chinup bar. It works fine,
> if your doorframe can take it and you do not use much total weight.
> From what I checked my takes up to 100kg no problem, but I glued it
> in.
> It lets you use the door normally and takes no extra space. I also
> made some sort of "rings" (Simple long self-locking straps which I
> loop
> around it. I also threaded them through a bit of thick rubber hose
> for
> "handles").
>
> This thing can deliver very challenging upper body workouts. One may
> start with ring pushups and bodyweight rows, then progress to chinups
> and ring dips (and farther, of course). For arms one can do "king
> curls"
> and bodyweight pushdowns. Also bodyweight flies work fine and some
> sort
> of bodyweight face pulls. For abs I do leg raises (both off rings and
> hanging from a bar) and ring version of ab-wheel. In most cases one
> adjusts
> resistance by changing foot placement and ring length. It works.
>
> For lower body with almost no equipment I'd recommend table stepups,
> one legged squats off the chair, pistols and natural glute-ham raises.
> To do GHRs one need something stable to anchor their ankles and put a
> pillow or something under ones knees. The trick will be in the
> execution.
> Natural GHR is very challenging, so I modified this exercise a bit. I
> lean forward some amount, and then bend at the hips and lower my face
> to
> the floor.
>
> So that would be it. An option for anyone who wants to keep working
> out while on vacations, visiting family or just having no time for
> gyms.
>
> P.S. - Anyone who never tried this kind of approach for long enough to
> see results and says it will not add muscle mass should be
> ignored. Bodyweight exercises will add mass. The trick is to
> measure performance not by extra weight added but by *total*
> weight lifted. This way one will see improvements in strength
> during bulking phase, not decrease of it.
>

All sounds good. I would add the one-armed and handstand pushups to
your list.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 16:49:01 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> schreef:
>
>> Could we have less of these "On topic" posts; this is essentially a
>> group to discuss misc. matters concerning dogs, guns, sex and how to
>> rid the Group of "trolls"!
>
>You forgot big black asses.

That comes under the heading of sex (sub-heading: black sex) - trust
me I know these things.

>
>Anyway, i like some of the trolls. I mean, they have a social function, so
>they are an essential part of the dynamics within this group.

Quite so; then let them thrive.

>
>Its just that the quality of the trolls seem to go down at alarming rate!

We shall let them thrive only if the quality of the "trolling"
improves significantly!

>
>I mean, i can do a better job.

You have much to learn about "trolling" Glasshopper, but you have a
lot of potential!

;o)

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> schreef:

>> P.S. - Anyone who never tried this kind of approach for long enough to
>> see results and says it will not add muscle mass should be
>> ignored. Bodyweight exercises will add mass. The trick is to
>> measure performance not by extra weight added but by *total*
>> weight lifted. This way one will see improvements in strength
>> during bulking phase, not decrease of it.
>>

> All sounds good. I would add the one-armed and handstand pushups to your
> list.

Andre, when Steve makes a suggestion, i suggest you do the exact opposite.

Trust me on this one.

----
Pete

"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> schreef:

>>> Could we have less of these "On topic" posts; this is essentially a
>>> group to discuss misc. matters concerning dogs, guns, sex and how to
>>> rid the Group of "trolls"!

>>You forgot big black asses.

> That comes under the heading of sex (sub-heading: black sex) - trust
> me I know these things.

I trust you.

But IMO, if dogs and guns are part of the "misc", then i dont have any
reason to put interracial intercourse, or, to be more precise, the
admiration of black womens asses not there.

>>Anyway, i like some of the trolls. I mean, they have a social function, so
>>they are an essential part of the dynamics within this group.

> Quite so; then let them thrive.

Always.

>>Its just that the quality of the trolls seem to go down at alarming rate!

> We shall let them thrive only if the quality of the "trolling"
> improves significantly!

Agreed.

>>I mean, i can do a better job.

> You have much to learn about "trolling" Glasshopper, but you have a
> lot of potential!

Well thanks!
Its always nice to get a confidence booster.

----
Pete
> ;o)

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:25:41 +0200, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> schreef:
>
>>>> Could we have less of these "On topic" posts; this is essentially a
>>>> group to discuss misc. matters concerning dogs, guns, sex and how to
>>>> rid the Group of "trolls"!
>
>>>You forgot big black asses.
>
>> That comes under the heading of sex (sub-heading: black sex) - trust
>> me I know these things.
>
>I trust you.
>
>But IMO, if dogs and guns are part of the "misc", then i dont have any
>reason to put interracial intercourse, or, to be more precise, the
>admiration of black womens asses not there.

You can if you don't want to!

>
>>>Anyway, i like some of the trolls. I mean, they have a social function, so
>>>they are an essential part of the dynamics within this group.
>
>> Quite so; then let them thrive.
>
>Always.

Agreed.

>
>>>Its just that the quality of the trolls seem to go down at alarming rate!
>
>> We shall let them thrive only if the quality of the "trolling"
>> improves significantly!
>
>Agreed.

Always.

>
>>>I mean, i can do a better job.
>
>> You have much to learn about "trolling" Glasshopper, but you have a
>> lot of potential!
>
>Well thanks!

My pleasure.

>Its always nice to get a confidence booster.
>

You have more than enough confidence to carry the task to your own
entire satisfaction!

;o)

Pete <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> schreef:
>>> P.S. - Anyone who never tried this kind of approach for long
>>> enough to see results and says it will not add muscle mass should
>>> be ignored. Bodyweight exercises will add mass. The trick is to
>>> measure performance not by extra weight added but by *total*
>>> weight lifted. This way one will see improvements in strength
>>> during bulking phase, not decrease of it.
>
>> All sounds good. I would add the one-armed and handstand pushups to your
>> list.
>
> Andre, when Steve makes a suggestion, i suggest you do the exact opposite.
> Trust me on this one.

In fact, any of the one-armed or one-legged exercises is a slippery
slope to the fluffup isolationist kinds of movements like the triceps
kickbacks.

"DZ" <15596@143103287.1159818089.12464.6530.27222> schreef:

>> Andre, when Steve makes a suggestion, i suggest you do the exact
>> opposite.
>> Trust me on this one.

> In fact, any of the one-armed or one-legged exercises is a slippery
> slope to the fluffup isolationist kinds of movements like the triceps
> kickbacks.

I never liked TKs, and for the following reasons;

To keep the upper arm in place, a lot of stress falls on the rear delts.
The resistance curve is crappy. You cant go beyond its heaviest point,
because that is where the movement ends.

There is only one dumbell tricep exercise i like;

Two handed DB presses. Two handed DB French presses if you will.

----
Pete

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:19:21 +0100, Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:35:00 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa

>>
>>P.S. - Anyone who never tried this kind of approach for long enough to
>> see results and says it will not add muscle mass should be
>> ignored. Bodyweight exercises will add mass. The trick is to
>> measure performance not by extra weight added but by *total*
>> weight lifted. This way one will see improvements in strength
>> during bulking phase, not decrease of it.
>
>Could we have less of these "On topic" posts; this is essentially a
>group to discuss misc. matters concerning dogs, guns, sex and how to
>rid the Group of "trolls"!

There's a story about a Greek strongman from way back. And there's a
good chance I'm wrong and the guy wasn't Greek. It may have been some
dude from the Bronx.

Anyway, he had a calf that he'd pick up daily. Over time the calf was
a bull and this strongman, or dude from the Bronx, was hoisting a
rather large animal.

Let's suppose I get a Bull Mastiff puppy and I use it in my training
for certain exercises. For example, I could drape it around my neck
for squatting. Maybe I'd get two for dumbbell bench and flyes.

Early on the weight would be rather light, but over time he might
reach a weight of 343 pounds.

When I came to the group asking for Bull Mastiff training tips, would
I mark my posts On-Topic, inasmuch as a dog was involved? Or
Off-Topic due to the training aspect?

> Chucky babbled some more bullshit

>>Could we have less of these "On topic" posts; this is essentially a
>>group to discuss misc. matters concerning dogs, guns, sex and how to
>>rid the Group of "trolls"!
>

If you really wanted to get rid of the trolls Chucky, you would kill
yourself.

Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> I need to do something important and I'm in need for excuses to not do
> it, so I thought I'll put together some hints about how to get a good
> training program with almost no equipment.
>
> For a long time I had this subconscious conviction, that in order to
> grow one must do barbell squats, deadlifts and benches, so a home based
> workout program *must* be based on power rack.
>
> Well, id doesn't have to be.
>
> Furthermore, for some people living room workouts will actually work
> better then power rack in unheated garage or damp and dark basement.
>
> And this kind of training will yield results, if one pushes himself
> hard and consistently.
>
> Anyway, I use cheap doorframe mounted chinup bar. It works fine,
> if your doorframe can take it and you do not use much total weight.
> From what I checked my takes up to 100kg no problem, but I glued it in.
> It lets you use the door normally and takes no extra space. I also
> made some sort of "rings" (Simple long self-locking straps which I loop
> around it. I also threaded them through a bit of thick rubber hose for
> "handles").
>
> This thing can deliver very challenging upper body workouts. One may
> start with ring pushups and bodyweight rows, then progress to chinups
> and ring dips (and farther, of course). For arms one can do "king curls"
> and bodyweight pushdowns. Also bodyweight flies work fine and some sort
> of bodyweight face pulls. For abs I do leg raises (both off rings and
> hanging from a bar) and ring version of ab-wheel. In most cases one adjusts
> resistance by changing foot placement and ring length. It works.
>
> For lower body with almost no equipment I'd recommend table stepups,
> one legged squats off the chair, pistols and natural glute-ham raises.
> To do GHRs one need something stable to anchor their ankles and put a
> pillow or something under ones knees. The trick will be in the execution.
> Natural GHR is very challenging, so I modified this exercise a bit. I
> lean forward some amount, and then bend at the hips and lower my face to
> the floor.
>
> So that would be it. An option for anyone who wants to keep working
> out while on vacations, visiting family or just having no time for gyms.
>
> P.S. - Anyone who never tried this kind of approach for long enough to
> see results and says it will not add muscle mass should be
> ignored. Bodyweight exercises will add mass. The trick is to
> measure performance not by extra weight added but by *total*
> weight lifted. This way one will see improvements in strength
> during bulking phase, not decrease of it.
>
> --
> Andrzej Rosa 1127R

I agree. And for us who are not into bulking up, it is especially true
that you need no fancy equipment. Just walking at a nice pace is
probably one of the best exercises for many people as well, and of
course that requires no equipment. I see very few people doing the sit
ups, push ups and chin ups these days, but those are great exercises
that also require no equipment. I love it when people buy that
expensive equipment since I own Bruinswick stock that makes a lot of
it, but it is simply not needed for most people who are primarily
interested in getting good well-rounded exercise. dkw

Dnia 2006-10-26 DZ napisa³(a):
> Pete <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> schreef:
>>>> P.S. - Anyone who never tried this kind of approach for long
>>>> enough to see results and says it will not add muscle mass should
>>>> be ignored. Bodyweight exercises will add mass. The trick is to
>>>> measure performance not by extra weight added but by *total*
>>>> weight lifted. This way one will see improvements in strength
>>>> during bulking phase, not decrease of it.
>>
>>> All sounds good. I would add the one-armed and handstand pushups to your
>>> list.
>>
>> Andre, when Steve makes a suggestion, i suggest you do the exact opposite.
>> Trust me on this one.
>
> In fact, any of the one-armed or one-legged exercises is a slippery
> slope to the fluffup isolationist kinds of movements like the triceps
> kickbacks.

True, to a point. For example stepups recruit more lower body muscles
than squats, so it's not very far into isolationists camp.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

"DZ" <15596@143103287.1159818089.12464.6530.27222> wrote in message
news:5118@66964922.1731515833.29409.31543.30875...
> Pete <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> schreef:
>>>> P.S. - Anyone who never tried this kind of approach for long
>>>> enough to see results and says it will not add muscle mass should
>>>> be ignored. Bodyweight exercises will add mass. The trick is to
>>>> measure performance not by extra weight added but by *total*
>>>> weight lifted. This way one will see improvements in strength
>>>> during bulking phase, not decrease of it.
>>
>>> All sounds good. I would add the one-armed and handstand pushups to
>>> your
>>> list.
>>
>> Andre, when Steve makes a suggestion, i suggest you do the exact
>> opposite.
>> Trust me on this one.
>
> In fact, any of the one-armed or one-legged exercises is a slippery
> slope to the fluffup isolationist kinds of movements like the triceps
> kickbacks.

"Slip-sliding away, slip-sliding away, you know the nearer your
destination, the more you're slip-sliding away."

Pretty funny - isolationist. Foreign policy and one-legged squats meet.
You know, I was doing triceps kickbacks just a little while ago.



-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Dnia 2006-10-26 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>
> All sounds good. I would add the one-armed and handstand pushups to
> your list.

I chickened out. I mean, it's a bit hard to describe the whole progression
(either based on change in angles or range of motion).

Besides, I don't do them. They are fine thingies, but I didn't really
go far this way, so it would be a bit dishonest on my part. But I keep
them in mind in case I'll need them.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:46:08 -0400, "Lee Michaels"
<leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:

>> Chucky babbled some more bullshit
>
>>>Could we have less of these "On topic" posts; this is essentially a
>>>group to discuss misc. matters concerning dogs, guns, sex and how to
>>>rid the Group of "trolls"!
>>
>
>If you really wanted to get rid of the trolls Chucky, you would kill
>yourself.
>

The United "Trolls" of MFW Inc. are indeed grateful to you for this
invaluable contribution.

Please don't ring us, we'll ring you!

[Kill is such an ugly word and it is difficult to understand why a
complete stranger would suggest such a thing!

Lee Michaels pops up from time to time to throw idiotic threats and
abuse, without any provocation, although he always gets a predictable
response.

I suppose as he looks like an escaped inmate from a mental hospital,
it may just be that that is precisely what he is. See:
http://www.fitnwell.net/lee%20michaels.jpg - I think that speaks for
itself! ]

Charles wrote:
> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> >> Chucky babbled some more bullshit
> >
> >>>Could we have less of these "On topic" posts; this is essentially a
> >>>group to discuss misc. matters concerning dogs, guns, sex and how to
> >>>rid the Group of "trolls"!
> >
> >If you really wanted to get rid of the trolls Chucky, you would kill
> >yourself.
>
> The United "Trolls" of MFW Inc. are indeed grateful to you for this
> invaluable contribution.
>
> Please don't ring us, we'll ring you!
>
> [Kill is such an ugly word ...

Then think of it as euthanasia.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:26:01 -0400, d wells wrote:

>On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 14:19:21 +0100, Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:35:00 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>
>>>
>>>P.S. - Anyone who never tried this kind of approach for long enough to
>>> see results and says it will not add muscle mass should be
>>> ignored. Bodyweight exercises will add mass. The trick is to
>>> measure performance not by extra weight added but by *total*
>>> weight lifted. This way one will see improvements in strength
>>> during bulking phase, not decrease of it.
>>
>>Could we have less of these "On topic" posts; this is essentially a
>>group to discuss misc. matters concerning dogs, guns, sex and how to
>>rid the Group of "trolls"!
>
>There's a story about a Greek strongman from way back. And there's a
>good chance I'm wrong and the guy wasn't Greek. It may have been some
>dude from the Bronx.

No, you're correct; it was probably credited to Milo of Croton and was
an apocryphal tale from Greek mythology, although Milo actually lived
and was renowned for his strength.

>
>Anyway, he had a calf that he'd pick up daily. Over time the calf was
>a bull and this strongman, or dude from the Bronx, was hoisting a
>rather large animal.

The forerunner of progressive strength training against increasing
resistance, better known as the 'principle of overload'.

>
>Let's suppose I get a Bull Mastiff puppy and I use it in my training
>for certain exercises. For example, I could drape it around my neck
>for squatting. Maybe I'd get two for dumbbell bench and flyes.
>
>Early on the weight would be rather light, but over time he might
>reach a weight of 343 pounds.
>
>When I came to the group asking for Bull Mastiff training tips, would
>I mark my posts On-Topic, inasmuch as a dog was involved? Or
>Off-Topic due to the training aspect?

I suspect that it would be wisest to put Bull Mastiff in the subject
line, and then work the dog into the story about lifting and all that
crap, by which time both the dog and the denizens of MFW will be
eating out of your hands.

On 26 Oct 2006 11:38:08 -0700, "JMW" <jmwilliams_56@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Charles wrote:
>> "Lee Michaels" <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>> >> Chucky babbled some more bullshit
>> >
>> >>>Could we have less of these "On topic" posts; this is essentially a
>> >>>group to discuss misc. matters concerning dogs, guns, sex and how to
>> >>>rid the Group of "trolls"!
>> >
>> >If you really wanted to get rid of the trolls Chucky, you would kill
>> >yourself.
>>
>> The United "Trolls" of MFW Inc. are indeed grateful to you for this
>> invaluable contribution.
>>
>> Please don't ring us, we'll ring you!
>>
>[Kill is such an ugly word and it is difficult to understand why a
>complete stranger would suggest such a thing!
>
>>Lee Michaels pops up from time to time to throw idiotic threats and
>>abuse, without any provocation, although he always gets a predictable
>>response.
>
>>I suppose as he looks like an escaped inmate from a mental hospital,
>>it may just be that that is precisely what he is. See:
>>http://www.fitnwell.net/lee%20michaels.jpg - I think that speaks for
>>itself! ]

>
>Then think of it as euthanasia.

It is only to be expected that a raving loony like you John "Beat you
Senseless" Williams, would wish someone dead simply because they have
responded resolutely to your persistent and sinister stalking and
serial "trolling" over a period of many years.

It comes as no surprise given your psychotic personality, that you
attach no blame to yourself, for the many acts of retaliation you have
received as the result of your dreadful conduct, over a period of very
many years, from many other decent people who you have bullied,
blackmailed and deeply wounded.

You are a very unbalanced and unpleasant person John Williams.

I just thought you should know that!

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:26:01 -0400, d wells wrote:

>There's a story about a Greek strongman from way back. And there's a
>good chance I'm wrong and the guy wasn't Greek. It may have been some
>dude from the Bronx.
>
>Anyway, he had a calf that he'd pick up daily. Over time the calf was
>a bull and this strongman, or dude from the Bronx, was hoisting a
>rather large animal.
>
>Let's suppose I get a Bull Mastiff puppy and I use it in my training
>for certain exercises. For example, I could drape it around my neck
>for squatting. Maybe I'd get two for dumbbell bench and flyes.
>
>Early on the weight would be rather light, but over time he might
>reach a weight of 343 pounds.
>
>When I came to the group asking for Bull Mastiff training tips, would
>I mark my posts On-Topic, inasmuch as a dog was involved? Or
>Off-Topic due to the training aspect?

Would it really matter all that much. People here can't even answer
simple questions like how many reps to do. How they going to answer
about animal weight training? People would start arguing over what
color the animal was or even what to feed it. John Williams might
claim to be a champion bull lifter back in the day. And Dave Cohen
would admit to having once licked a bull nuts on a dare.

On 26 Oct 2006 10:50:04 -0700, dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:

>I agree. And for us who are not into bulking up, it is especially true
>that you need no fancy equipment. Just walking at a nice pace is
>probably one of the best exercises for many people as well, and of
>course that requires no equipment. I see very few people doing the sit
>ups, push ups and chin ups these days, but those are great exercises
>that also require no equipment. I love it when people buy that
>expensive equipment since I own Bruinswick stock that makes a lot of
>it, but it is simply not needed for most people who are primarily
>interested in getting good well-rounded exercise. dkw

I don't find the equipment all that expensive nowadays. For me it is
the real estate to store which is expensive. My tiny 650 sq foot
apartment doesn't have room for a home gym. And for what I a pay in
rent it is much cheaper to go to a gym.

Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> "DZ" wrote:
>> In fact, any of the one-armed or one-legged exercises is a slippery
>> slope to the fluffup isolationist kinds of movements like the triceps
>> kickbacks.
>
> "Slip-sliding away, slip-sliding away, you know the nearer your
> destination, the more you're slip-sliding away."
>
> Pretty funny - isolationist. Foreign policy and one-legged squats meet.
> You know, I was doing triceps kickbacks just a little while ago.
>
>

I have to see this to believe it!

The other day I saw a guy preparing for benchpress with a 45 on one
side and 25 on the other. I yelled "wait!" thinking he forgot to
change one of the sides.

But he replied "I'm working stabilizers, dude".

Oh, the stabilizers!, I thought. And then my mind drifted into
thinking about kettlebells and one-legged deadlifts.

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 12:35:00 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
<bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:

>I need to do something important and I'm in need for excuses to not do
>it, so I thought I'll put together some hints about how to get a good
>training program with almost no equipment.
>
>For a long time I had this subconscious conviction, that in order to
>grow one must do barbell squats, deadlifts and benches, so a home based
>workout program *must* be based on power rack.
>
>Well, id doesn't have to be.
>
>Furthermore, for some people living room workouts will actually work
>better then power rack in unheated garage or damp and dark basement.
>
>And this kind of training will yield results, if one pushes himself
>hard and consistently.
>
>Anyway, I use cheap doorframe mounted chinup bar. It works fine,
>if your doorframe can take it and you do not use much total weight.
>From what I checked my takes up to 100kg no problem, but I glued it in.
>It lets you use the door normally and takes no extra space. I also
>made some sort of "rings" (Simple long self-locking straps which I loop
>around it. I also threaded them through a bit of thick rubber hose for
>"handles").
>
>This thing can deliver very challenging upper body workouts. One may
>start with ring pushups and bodyweight rows, then progress to chinups
>and ring dips (and farther, of course). For arms one can do "king curls"
>and bodyweight pushdowns. Also bodyweight flies work fine and some sort
>of bodyweight face pulls. For abs I do leg raises (both off rings and
>hanging from a bar) and ring version of ab-wheel. In most cases one adjusts
>resistance by changing foot placement and ring length. It works.
>
>For lower body with almost no equipment I'd recommend table stepups,
>one legged squats off the chair, pistols and natural glute-ham raises.
>To do GHRs one need something stable to anchor their ankles and put a
>pillow or something under ones knees. The trick will be in the execution.
>Natural GHR is very challenging, so I modified this exercise a bit. I
>lean forward some amount, and then bend at the hips and lower my face to
>the floor.
>
>So that would be it. An option for anyone who wants to keep working
>out while on vacations, visiting family or just having no time for gyms.
>
>P.S. - Anyone who never tried this kind of approach for long enough to
> see results and says it will not add muscle mass should be
> ignored. Bodyweight exercises will add mass. The trick is to
> measure performance not by extra weight added but by *total*
> weight lifted. This way one will see improvements in strength
> during bulking phase, not decrease of it.

The book I have has a whole section on this using what they call
"exercise tubing". These stretch a bit and wear out over time.
They even use them to do things like squats or to add resistance to
pushups. They recommend it for travel when you can't bring weights
with you. I suppose you could also dress up like tourist and walk
through a bad section of town proclaiming the country as a shithole.
Some willing local is bound to offer some exercise in the form of
either running or wrestling.

"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:u2e2k2dd1pq2lkdqioskq6k1hrdr35eakn@4ax.com...
> The book I have has a whole section on this using what they call
> "exercise tubing". These stretch a bit and wear out over time.

I tried carrying these with me when I travel, but I have yet to find a set I
can't break like a rubber band. I'm better off lifting the hotel furniture.

ep

Dnia 2006-10-26 Shute napisa³(a):
>
> The book I have has a whole section on this using what they call
> "exercise tubing". These stretch a bit and wear out over time.
> They even use them to do things like squats or to add resistance to
> pushups. They recommend it for travel when you can't bring weights
> with you. I suppose you could also dress up like tourist and walk
> through a bad section of town proclaiming the country as a shithole.
> Some willing local is bound to offer some exercise in the form of
> either running or wrestling.

Thanks for reminding me.

I had an idea on how to cheaply make a rubber band. One takes an old
tube from a tyre, inflates it maybe a little, puts on it a masking tape
to mark it (I mean around it, but without overlapping edges) and cuts
between masking tape rounds.

It should give looong rubber band.

Never tried this, but an idea is an idea. Should work.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Dnia 2006-10-26 Shute napisa³(a):
> On 26 Oct 2006 10:50:04 -0700, dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> I don't find the equipment all that expensive nowadays. For me it is
> the real estate to store which is expensive. My tiny 650 sq foot
> apartment doesn't have room for a home gym. And for what I a pay in
> rent it is much cheaper to go to a gym.

But you could find a place for a pair of adjustable dumbbells?

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 13:26:01 -0400, d wells wrote:
>
>>There's a story about a Greek strongman from way back. And there's a
>>good chance I'm wrong and the guy wasn't Greek. It may have been some
>>dude from the Bronx.
>>
>>Anyway, he had a calf that he'd pick up daily. Over time the calf was
>>a bull and this strongman, or dude from the Bronx, was hoisting a
>>rather large animal.
>>
>>Let's suppose I get a Bull Mastiff puppy and I use it in my training
>>for certain exercises. For example, I could drape it around my neck
>>for squatting. Maybe I'd get two for dumbbell bench and flyes.
>>
>>Early on the weight would be rather light, but over time he might
>>reach a weight of 343 pounds.
>>
>>When I came to the group asking for Bull Mastiff training tips, would
>>I mark my posts On-Topic, inasmuch as a dog was involved? Or
>>Off-Topic due to the training aspect?
>
> Would it really matter all that much.

To those with minimal reading comprehension (i.e. you), no.

> People here can't even answer
> simple questions like how many reps to do.

We've told you: your one rep is very nice, keep trying for a second.

> How they going to answer
> about animal weight training?

In polysyllabic English. You won't understand. That's OK. The short school
bus will still pick you up. Stop eating your boogers and go get your shoes
tied.

> People would start arguing over what
> color the animal was or even what to feed it.

Those are interesting topics. You wouldn't be involved in the conversation.

>John Williams might
> claim to be a champion bull lifter back in the day. And Dave Cohen
> would admit to having once licked a bull nuts on a dare.

Oh, stop having your three-way fantasies about me and John. Geek Girl has
dibs on us.

I said stop eating your boogers!

David

"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote
> dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>>I agree. And for us who are not into bulking up, it is especially true
>>that you need no fancy equipment. Just walking at a nice pace is
>>probably one of the best exercises for many people as well, and of
>>course that requires no equipment. I see very few people doing the sit
>>ups, push ups and chin ups these days, but those are great exercises
>>that also require no equipment. I love it when people buy that
>>expensive equipment since I own Bruinswick stock that makes a lot of
>>it, but it is simply not needed for most people who are primarily
>>interested in getting good well-rounded exercise. dkw
>
> I don't find the equipment all that expensive nowadays. For me it is
> the real estate to store which is expensive. My tiny 650 sq foot
> apartment doesn't have room for a home gym.

It's ok, Poop Shute. We know selling those pot holders you people make is
not a big money maker. Your mom won't kick you out of the basement
"apartment". really. It's ok. Stop crying. Aw, geez, I hate when the
retarded people cry

David

Charles wrote:
[...]

><snip> who you have bullied,

Or, alternatively, served as an easy target for.

[...]

> and deeply wounded.

Or, yeah, deeply contradicted himself at nearly every turn. His latest
bout of cross-posting as the latest example of, what some might
describe as, troll-like behavior as just one example.

> You are a very unbalanced

HOW COULD HE NOT BE ~*UN*~BALANCED WITH A SCHNOZZ LIKE ~*THAT!!!!*~???

> and unpleasant person John Williams.

Agreed, Charles. Agreed! )

> I just thought you should know that!

He does. Heck, he MUST. How could he not?

--
Curt

On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:23:57 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
<bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dnia 2006-10-26 Shute napisa?(a):
>> On 26 Oct 2006 10:50:04 -0700, dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:
>>
>> I don't find the equipment all that expensive nowadays. For me it is
>> the real estate to store which is expensive. My tiny 650 sq foot
>> apartment doesn't have room for a home gym. And for what I a pay in
>> rent it is much cheaper to go to a gym.
>
>But you could find a place for a pair of adjustable dumbbells?

Yeah I plan to buy some basic weights and bars one of these days. I
can do quite a few basic exercises with those.

Dnia 2006-10-27 Shute napisa³(a):
> On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 23:23:57 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
><bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Dnia 2006-10-26 Shute napisa?(a):
>>> On 26 Oct 2006 10:50:04 -0700, dkw12002@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't find the equipment all that expensive nowadays. For me it is
>>> the real estate to store which is expensive. My tiny 650 sq foot
>>> apartment doesn't have room for a home gym. And for what I a pay in
>>> rent it is much cheaper to go to a gym.
>>
>>But you could find a place for a pair of adjustable dumbbells?
>
> Yeah I plan to buy some basic weights and bars one of these days. I
> can do quite a few basic exercises with those.

Basic... You say it like you'll be lacking in something, so the
question follows.

What kind of sophisticated exercises you can't do with those?

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R