Alternative to Nandralone? (Pete, Robert, others)

Hi all,

The company making the nandralone that keeps my marrow going is no
longer making it. Too much pressure to stop making the concetrations I
need (we need to keep people from using steroids, who cares if we kill
the patients that need them...). Anyway, I need a replacement for the
400mg/week of nandrolone that I take (I still get my testosterone
250mg/week without issue, and there's no signs of that going away pretty
much ever). I could double the dose of the testosterone, and short term
that seems to be able to hold my counts steady. I'm concerned about two
things with this scenario:
1. Long term (life long, in my case) use of 500mg/week of testosterone
and its effects on androgen sensitive organs, like the prostate and such.
2. Aromatase activity - my estrogen level is already at about 240-260,
and at the lab I go to the upper end of normal for a woman about to
ovulate is 160, so does testosterone convert to estrogen more readily
than deca?

Pete, you mentioned primabolin a few weeks back. Which country are you
in? We already import the deca so the pharmacy at the hospital is
looking for other sources of either deca or a replacement anabolic (such
as primabolin) and are looking for overseas manufacturers.

Any other ideas/suggestions? I do not want to have to go back to three
blood transfusions every 10-14 days!

Cheers,

Ari

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In article <f9osto$2jdr$1@otis.netspace.net.au>,
spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:

> Any other ideas/suggestions? I do not want to have to go back to three
> blood transfusions every 10-14 days!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ari

Go to Mexico.

Take Deca injection there.

Come home with no packages.

I understand the half-life is 10 to 14 days?

Where do you live? You may have to move to a border state.
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On Aug 13, 10:15 am, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
<snip sad story>

Damn, Dude, that sucks. I'm really sorry to hear you're having such a
problem on top of health issues no less. Good luck.

> 1. Long term (life long, in my case) use of 500mg/week of testosterone
> and its effects on androgen sensitive organs, like the prostate and such.

Probably not too many studies around which would give much insight
into this. Most studies I've seen are short term and I'm certainly
not knowledgeable to speculate. Hopefully you'll get some further
insight.

> 2. Aromatase activity - my estrogen level is already at about 240-260,
> and at the lab I go to the upper end of normal for a woman about to
> ovulate is 160, so does testosterone convert to estrogen more readily
> than deca?

Deca aromatises to progesterone, not estrogen, I believe, but the test
you're taking converts to estrogen without a doubt. So, yes, doubling
your test intake will undoubtedly increase the aromatization and your
estrogen levels. Can you use an aromatase inhibitor?

> Pete, you mentioned primabolin a few weeks back. Which country are you
> in?

Pete is from Holland.

> Any other ideas/suggestions? I do not want to have to go back to three
> blood transfusions every 10-14 days!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ari

You might check out some of the HRT/TRT groups. The two I'm familiar
with are at MesoRX and T-Nation, but there are probably others. I'd
guess there are likely some threads there you might find helpful and
you can always pose some questions.

Again, best wishes to you.
ps

"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
news:f9osto$2jdr$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> Hi all,
>
> The company making the nandralone that keeps my marrow going is no longer
> making it. Too much pressure to stop making the concetrations I need (we
> need to keep people from using steroids, who cares if we kill the patients
> that need them...). Anyway, I need a replacement for the 400mg/week of
> nandrolone that I take (I still get my testosterone 250mg/week without
> issue, and there's no signs of that going away pretty much ever). I could
> double the dose of the testosterone, and short term that seems to be able
> to hold my counts steady. I'm concerned about two things with this
> scenario:
> 1. Long term (life long, in my case) use of 500mg/week of testosterone and
> its effects on androgen sensitive organs, like the prostate and such.

That really depends upon the individual. I would still look for Deca as it
is made by many companies around the world.


> 2. Aromatase activity - my estrogen level is already at about 240-260, and
> at the lab I go to the upper end of normal for a woman about to ovulate is
> 160, so does testosterone convert to estrogen more readily than deca?
>
Test aromitizes much more than Deca, so you would need to get on some
Arimidex or something like that.


> Pete, you mentioned primabolin a few weeks back. Which country are you in?
> We already import the deca so the pharmacy at the hospital is looking for
> other sources of either deca or a replacement anabolic (such as
> primabolin) and are looking for overseas manufacturers.
>
> Any other ideas/suggestions? I do not want to have to go back to three
> blood transfusions every 10-14 days!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ari


Primobolan will not have the effects on the bone marrow like Deca. Primo is
the highest anabolic to androgen ratio drug produced, but it is not as good
as Deca for what you need.


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"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

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Om wrote:
> spodosaurus wrote:
> > Any other ideas/suggestions? I do not want to have to go back to three
> > blood transfusions every 10-14 days!
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > Ari
>
> Go to Mexico.

Is that feasible? Or, rather, responsible? I mean from the perspective
of "Are Mexican pharmacies as safe as U.S. pharmacies?" I've never
been to Mexico and have no clue as to the practicality of your
suggestion. Does anyone know of anyone who's taken similar steps?
Anecdotal, of course. A friend of a friend of a friend of someone I do
not know. Like that.

I AM NOT CONNIE CHUNG AND I DO NOT WORK FOR THE BATF OR THE DEA.

> Take Deca injection there.
>
> Come home with no packages.
>
> I understand the half-life is 10 to 14 days?
>
> Where do you live? You may have to move to a border state.

--
Curt

spodosaurus wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> The company making the nandralone that keeps my marrow going is no
> longer making it. Too much pressure to stop making the concetrations I
> need (we need to keep people from using steroids, who cares if we kill
> the patients that need them...). Anyway, I need a replacement for the
> 400mg/week of nandrolone that I take (I still get my testosterone
> 250mg/week without issue, and there's no signs of that going away pretty
> much ever). I could double the dose of the testosterone, and short term
> that seems to be able to hold my counts steady. I'm concerned about two
> things with this scenario:
> 1. Long term (life long, in my case) use of 500mg/week of testosterone
> and its effects on androgen sensitive organs, like the prostate and such.
> 2. Aromatase activity - my estrogen level is already at about 240-260,
> and at the lab I go to the upper end of normal for a woman about to
> ovulate is 160, so does testosterone convert to estrogen more readily
> than deca?
>
> Pete, you mentioned primabolin a few weeks back. Which country are you
> in? We already import the deca so the pharmacy at the hospital is
> looking for other sources of either deca or a replacement anabolic (such
> as primabolin) and are looking for overseas manufacturers.
>
> Any other ideas/suggestions? I do not want to have to go back to three
> blood transfusions every 10-14 days!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ari
>

Hi again all. At the moment all I need is the name of the manufacturer
from a bottle of nandrolone. My hospital will do the rest. If any of you
have 'seen' the name of a manufacturer on a bottle of nandrolone at some
point in time, please let me know! We're scrambling now...I only have
three weeks left before we have to make alterations to my treatments
that we'd prefer not to (blood counts in normal ranges...mostly...and
the treatment has been working for a while now).

Cheers,

Ari

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http://www.marrow.org/

"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
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> spodosaurus wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> The company making the nandralone that keeps my marrow going is no longer
>> making it. Too much pressure to stop making the concetrations I need (we
>> need to keep people from using steroids, who cares if we kill the
>> patients that need them...). Anyway, I need a replacement for the
>> 400mg/week of nandrolone that I take (I still get my testosterone
>> 250mg/week without issue, and there's no signs of that going away pretty
>> much ever). I could double the dose of the testosterone, and short term
>> that seems to be able to hold my counts steady. I'm concerned about two
>> things with this scenario:
>> 1. Long term (life long, in my case) use of 500mg/week of testosterone
>> and its effects on androgen sensitive organs, like the prostate and such.
>> 2. Aromatase activity - my estrogen level is already at about 240-260,
>> and at the lab I go to the upper end of normal for a woman about to
>> ovulate is 160, so does testosterone convert to estrogen more readily
>> than deca?
>>
>> Pete, you mentioned primabolin a few weeks back. Which country are you
>> in? We already import the deca so the pharmacy at the hospital is looking
>> for other sources of either deca or a replacement anabolic (such as
>> primabolin) and are looking for overseas manufacturers.
>>
>> Any other ideas/suggestions? I do not want to have to go back to three
>> blood transfusions every 10-14 days!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Ari
>>
>
> Hi again all. At the moment all I need is the name of the manufacturer
> from a bottle of nandrolone. My hospital will do the rest. If any of you
> have 'seen' the name of a manufacturer on a bottle of nandrolone at some
> point in time, please let me know! We're scrambling now...I only have
> three weeks left before we have to make alterations to my treatments that
> we'd prefer not to (blood counts in normal ranges...mostly...and the
> treatment has been working for a while now).
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ari
>
> --
> spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply
> Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant. Please
> volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's life:
> http://www.abmdr.org.au/
> http://www.marrow.org/


Ari,
You should check out all the web sites that advertise to sell steroids
through the mail. You don't have to buy from them, but you can at least see
the name of the companies from the labels.


Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

On Aug 17, 8:32 pm, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
> spodosaurus wrote:

> Hi again all. At the moment all I need is the name of the manufacturer
> from a bottle of nandrolone. My hospital will do the rest. If any of you
> have 'seen' the name of a manufacturer on a bottle of nandrolone at some
> point in time, please let me know! We're scrambling now...I only have
> three weeks left before we have to make alterations to my treatments
> that we'd prefer not to (blood counts in normal ranges...mostly...and
> the treatment has been working for a while now).

afaik, deca is manufactured by Organon. good luck.
ps

padstyles@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Aug 17, 8:32 pm, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>> spodosaurus wrote:
>
>> Hi again all. At the moment all I need is the name of the manufacturer
>> from a bottle of nandrolone. My hospital will do the rest. If any of you
>> have 'seen' the name of a manufacturer on a bottle of nandrolone at some
>> point in time, please let me know! We're scrambling now...I only have
>> three weeks left before we have to make alterations to my treatments
>> that we'd prefer not to (blood counts in normal ranges...mostly...and
>> the treatment has been working for a while now).
>
> afaik, deca is manufactured by Organon. good luck.
> ps
>

Thanks PS. Rob's suggestion to look at online sites lead me to find that
manufacturer...now hopefully the hospital pharmacy will expedite things :/

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volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's life:
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http://www.marrow.org/