Arimidex?

My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
anti-aromatase. QUICK.

Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking about
tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time keeping
me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?

Side Effects of Arimidex:
hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis, swelling
of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with tamoxifen
(10% vs 7%).

I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this page:
http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX

???

Richard

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote
> My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
> anti-aromatase. QUICK.

You'll miss playing with your new vagina.

David

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:jlDJh.127016$_73.65379@newsread2.news.pas.ear thlink.net...
> "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote
> > My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
> > anti-aromatase. QUICK.
>
> You'll miss playing with your new vagina.
>
> David

Honestly, this value has gone up within the two weeks only. The previous
test was just fine. THANK GOD!

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Richard wrote:

> My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
> anti-aromatase. QUICK.
>
> Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
> endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking about
> tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time keeping
> me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
>
> Side Effects of Arimidex:
> hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
> nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis, swelling
> of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
> hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with tamoxifen
> (10% vs 7%).
>
> I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this page:
> http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
>
> ???
>
> Richard

Richard,

I'm no expert in this realm but I have heard mixed reviews about
Arimidex vs. Nolvadex. Some people swear by Arimidex and some swear by
Nolva. I would choose whichever you have easier access to. And quick!!!

--Sir Jackery

PS. Personally I have been told by friends to trust Nolva, not that there
opinion is in any way expert.

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:mgDJh.41908$6P2.13561@newsfe16.phx...
> My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
> anti-aromatase. QUICK.
>
> Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
> endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking
about
> tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time
keeping
> me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
>
> Side Effects of Arimidex:
> hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
> nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
swelling
> of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
> hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with tamoxifen
> (10% vs 7%).
>
> I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this page:
> http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
>
> ???
>
> Richard

Well, well. My good ole doctor has left me HIGH AND DRY. She's fucking short
with me on the phone... won't talk about Arimidex, Proviron, Nolvadex, etc.
'course, I can't blame her. This all started because my T was naturally low
and she brought me back up to normal, and beyond with T cypionate. But.. now
she doesn't want to get into this any deeper. Here I am stuck with high E
and no chance but to order from an online pharmacy and hope for the best, or
grow boobs and a vagina (thx David). Really, its just the water retention
and fat that are bothering me.

I could stop everything now including the T injections, and go back to my
90-year-old man T levels with high-normal E levels.

QUESTION 1: What do most bodybuilders try to keep E1 and E2 below?

QUESTION 2: What is best while on T cypionate: Proviron, Nolvadex, or
Arimidex?

QUESTION 3: Or does anyone know of a "good" male hormone MD in the US who
"treats" patients remotely?

I wasn't asking my doctor to do anything illegal.. just to keep my fricken
values IN RANGE. SHIT. She isn't worth a damn.

Richard

On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Richard wrote:

> "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:mgDJh.41908$6P2.13561@newsfe16.phx...
>> My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
>> anti-aromatase. QUICK.
>>
>> Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
>> endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking
> about
>> tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time
> keeping
>> me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
>>
>> Side Effects of Arimidex:
>> hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
>> nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
> swelling
>> of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
>> hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with tamoxifen
>> (10% vs 7%).
>>
>> I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this page:
>> http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
>>
>> ???
>>
>> Richard
>
> Well, well. My good ole doctor has left me HIGH AND DRY. She's fucking short
> with me on the phone... won't talk about Arimidex, Proviron, Nolvadex, etc.
> 'course, I can't blame her. This all started because my T was naturally low
> and she brought me back up to normal, and beyond with T cypionate. But.. now
> she doesn't want to get into this any deeper. Here I am stuck with high E
> and no chance but to order from an online pharmacy and hope for the best, or
> grow boobs and a vagina (thx David). Really, its just the water retention
> and fat that are bothering me.
>
> I could stop everything now including the T injections, and go back to my
> 90-year-old man T levels with high-normal E levels.
>
> QUESTION 1: What do most bodybuilders try to keep E1 and E2 below?
>
> QUESTION 2: What is best while on T cypionate: Proviron, Nolvadex, or
> Arimidex?
>
> QUESTION 3: Or does anyone know of a "good" male hormone MD in the US who
> "treats" patients remotely?
>
> I wasn't asking my doctor to do anything illegal.. just to keep my fricken
> values IN RANGE. SHIT. She isn't worth a damn.
>
> Richard

That _really_ sucks. She isn't willing to fix what she started. I'd sue.
Contact me via email off-group...

--Sir Jackery

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:2TGJh.43143$6P2.29986@newsfe16.phx...
> "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:mgDJh.41908$6P2.13561@newsfe16.phx...
> > My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
> > anti-aromatase. QUICK.
> >
> > Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
> > endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking
> about
> > tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time
> keeping
> > me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
> >
> > Side Effects of Arimidex:
> > hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
> > nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
> swelling
> > of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
> > hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with
tamoxifen
> > (10% vs 7%).
> >
> > I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this
page:
> > http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
> >
> > ???
> >
> > Richard
>
> Well, well. My good ole doctor has left me HIGH AND DRY. She's fucking
short
> with me on the phone... won't talk about Arimidex, Proviron, Nolvadex,
etc.
> 'course, I can't blame her. This all started because my T was naturally
low
> and she brought me back up to normal, and beyond with T cypionate. But..
now
> she doesn't want to get into this any deeper. Here I am stuck with high E
> and no chance but to order from an online pharmacy and hope for the best,
or
> grow boobs and a vagina (thx David). Really, its just the water retention
> and fat that are bothering me.
>
> I could stop everything now including the T injections, and go back to my
> 90-year-old man T levels with high-normal E levels.
>
> QUESTION 1: What do most bodybuilders try to keep E1 and E2 below?
>
> QUESTION 2: What is best while on T cypionate: Proviron, Nolvadex, or
> Arimidex?
>
> QUESTION 3: Or does anyone know of a "good" male hormone MD in the US who
> "treats" patients remotely?
>
> I wasn't asking my doctor to do anything illegal.. just to keep my fricken
> values IN RANGE. SHIT. She isn't worth a damn.
>
> Richard


Maybe I'm worried for no reason. I just read that SOME estrogen is required
to build muscle. Not sure why. Anyone know? And how much E2 is too much?

ALSO.. acne.. it must be from high E2 because my T is lower than it was last
month, but E2 is really high and now I have this acne problem. I thought it
was from the oil in the shots, but now I see the acne problem is more
correlated with E2.

Richard

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:mgDJh.41908$6P2.13561@newsfe16.phx...
> My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
> anti-aromatase. QUICK.
>
> Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
> endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking
> about
> tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time
> keeping
> me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
>
> Side Effects of Arimidex:
> hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
> nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
> swelling
> of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
> hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with tamoxifen
> (10% vs 7%).
>
> I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this page:
> http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
>
> ???
>
> Richard
>
>
arimidex: stops conversion by 80%. nolvadex blocks the effects on the
receptors... arimidex is expensive on black market but if script then ok.. i
read 1/2 - 1 tab per day is sufficient.
for same effect from nolva, it needs to be stacked with proviron, which
causes negative hypothialamus feedback.... stops your own balls
working.also... i not sure if that even gives the best result over the
two...

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:

> Side Effects of Arimidex:
> hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
> nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
> swelling
> of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
> hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with tamoxifen
> (10% vs 7%).

What group of people had THESE side effects?

--
Pete

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:

> QUESTION 1: What do most bodybuilders try to keep E1 and E2 below?

Well, those drugs asre mentioned allready.

> QUESTION 2: What is best while on T cypionate: Proviron, Nolvadex, or
> Arimidex?

Personally, i would go for Proviron.

> QUESTION 3: Or does anyone know of a "good" male hormone MD in the US who
> "treats" patients remotely?

There is a BIG chance that doctors will lower the dosage to 100mg/week.

You dont want that, do you?

--
Pete

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:

> Side Effects of Arimidex:
> hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
> nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
> swelling
> of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
> hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with tamoxifen
> (10% vs 7%).

Richard, those side effects were found in post-menopausal women WITH cancer!

It doesnt make sense to give Arimidex to pre-menopausal women wihout cancer.
Or pre-menopausal women.
Doctors dont prescribe it to males. Just like some other drugs, like
Pregnyl. Have you read the side effects of Pregnyl?

And its one of those drugs, that a lot of doctors will be looked upon as a
female drug, like Clomid.

I once read a lot of nasty things about nandrolone and oxymetholone.

The subjects? Psychotics. Seriously.

--
Pete

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:mgDJh.41908$6P2.13561@newsfe16.phx...
> My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
> anti-aromatase. QUICK.
>
> Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
> endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking
about
> tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time
keeping
> me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
>
> Side Effects of Arimidex:
> hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
> nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
swelling
> of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
> hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with tamoxifen
> (10% vs 7%).
>
> I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this page:
> http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
>
> ???
>
> Richard
>

YAHOOOO!!!!! I FOUND A GOOD DOCTOR THIS TIME! He is ordering some blood
tests and plans to Rx me for Arimidex, LH injections, testosterone
injections, and even HGH (to bring me back to "normal" levels, of course).
What a rollercoaster ride this has been.

Richard

In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0703131457190.4042@pc20.cs.ucdavis. edu>, Sir
Jackery <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Mar 2007, Richard wrote:
>
> > My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
> > anti-aromatase. QUICK.
> >
> > Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
> > endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking about
> > tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time keeping
> > me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
> >
> > Side Effects of Arimidex:
> > hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
> > nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis, swelling
> > of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
> > hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with tamoxifen
> > (10% vs 7%).
> >
> > I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this page:
> > http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
> >
> > ???
> >
> > Richard
>
> Richard,
>
> I'm no expert in this realm but I have heard mixed reviews about
> Arimidex vs. Nolvadex. Some people swear by Arimidex and some swear by
> Nolva.

Apples and oranges

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007, Pete wrote:

> "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:
>
>> Side Effects of Arimidex:
>> hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
>> nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
>> swelling
>> of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
>> hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with tamoxifen
>> (10% vs 7%).
>
> Richard, those side effects were found in post-menopausal women WITH cancer!
>
> It doesnt make sense to give Arimidex to pre-menopausal women wihout cancer.
> Or pre-menopausal women.
> Doctors dont prescribe it to males. Just like some other drugs, like
> Pregnyl. Have you read the side effects of Pregnyl?
>
> And its one of those drugs, that a lot of doctors will be looked upon as a
> female drug, like Clomid.
>
> I once read a lot of nasty things about nandrolone and oxymetholone.
>
> The subjects? Psychotics. Seriously.

Reminds me of Kellogg's study of masturbation on convicts and mental
patients. Ahhh... people are stupid... and crazy...


--Sir Jackery

Richard wrote:
> "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:mgDJh.41908$6P2.13561@newsfe16.phx...
>> My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
>> anti-aromatase. QUICK.
>>
>> Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
>> endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking
> about
>> tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time
> keeping
>> me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
>>
>> Side Effects of Arimidex:
>> hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
>> nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
> swelling
>> of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
>> hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with tamoxifen
>> (10% vs 7%).
>>
>> I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this page:
>> http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
>>
>> ???
>>
>> Richard
>>
>
> YAHOOOO!!!!! I FOUND A GOOD DOCTOR THIS TIME! He is ordering some blood
> tests and plans to Rx me for Arimidex, LH injections, testosterone
> injections, and even HGH (to bring me back to "normal" levels, of course).
> What a rollercoaster ride this has been.
>
> Richard
>
>

Sounds like a start, Richard. I haven't had any side effects (aside from
back hair growth...and now some new sprouts on my shoulders) of taking
testosterone and deca to keep my bone marrow working (we ran out of deca
recently due to a stuff up with ordering it from a formulary pharmacy in
the US...my platelet count dropped by 70k in less than 7 days...).
However, we haven't been keeping track of my estrogen levels. I'll ask
my doctor about that next week. I've heard HCG mentioned (Pregnyl) and
we used that in me for a long while to increase my sperm counts. The
only side effect: a baby.

Regards,

Ari

On Thu, 15 Mar 2007, spodosaurus wrote:

> Richard wrote:
>> "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>> news:mgDJh.41908$6P2.13561@newsfe16.phx...
>>> My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
>>> anti-aromatase. QUICK.
>>>
>>> Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
>>> endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking
>> about
>>> tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time
>> keeping
>>> me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
>>>
>>> Side Effects of Arimidex:
>>> hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
>>> nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
>> swelling
>>> of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
>>> hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with tamoxifen
>>> (10% vs 7%).
>>>
>>> I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this page:
>>> http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
>>>
>>> ???
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>
>> YAHOOOO!!!!! I FOUND A GOOD DOCTOR THIS TIME! He is ordering some blood
>> tests and plans to Rx me for Arimidex, LH injections, testosterone
>> injections, and even HGH (to bring me back to "normal" levels, of course).
>> What a rollercoaster ride this has been.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>
> Sounds like a start, Richard. I haven't had any side effects (aside from
> back hair growth...and now some new sprouts on my shoulders) of taking
> testosterone and deca to keep my bone marrow working (we ran out of deca
> recently due to a stuff up with ordering it from a formulary pharmacy in the
> US...my platelet count dropped by 70k in less than 7 days...). However, we
> haven't been keeping track of my estrogen levels. I'll ask my doctor about
> that next week. I've heard HCG mentioned (Pregnyl) and we used that in me for
> a long while to increase my sperm counts. The only side effect: a baby.

That's a side effect I wouldn't be willing to risk

--
Sir Jackery

"spodosaurus" <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote in message
news:eta2c9$2502$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> Richard wrote:
> > "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> > news:mgDJh.41908$6P2.13561@newsfe16.phx...
> >> My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
> >> anti-aromatase. QUICK.
> >>
> >> Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
> >> endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking
> > about
> >> tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time
> > keeping
> >> me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
> >>
> >> Side Effects of Arimidex:
> >> hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
> >> nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
> > swelling
> >> of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the
spine,
> >> hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with
tamoxifen
> >> (10% vs 7%).
> >>
> >> I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this
page:
> >> http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
> >>
> >> ???
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >
> > YAHOOOO!!!!! I FOUND A GOOD DOCTOR THIS TIME! He is ordering some blood
> > tests and plans to Rx me for Arimidex, LH injections, testosterone
> > injections, and even HGH (to bring me back to "normal" levels, of
course).
> > What a rollercoaster ride this has been.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
>
> Sounds like a start, Richard. I haven't had any side effects (aside from
> back hair growth...and now some new sprouts on my shoulders) of taking
> testosterone and deca to keep my bone marrow working (we ran out of deca
> recently due to a stuff up with ordering it from a formulary pharmacy in
> the US...my platelet count dropped by 70k in less than 7 days...).
> However, we haven't been keeping track of my estrogen levels. I'll ask
> my doctor about that next week. I've heard HCG mentioned (Pregnyl) and
> we used that in me for a long while to increase my sperm counts. The
> only side effect: a baby.

Firstly, congratulations! Then, OMG!! SHIT!! Thanks for warning me!!

Richard


> Regards,
>
> Ari

On Wed, 14 Mar 2007 06:38:16 -0700, "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain>
wrote:

>"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>news:mgDJh.41908$6P2.13561@newsfe16.phx...
>> My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
>> anti-aromatase. QUICK.
>>
>> Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
>> endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking
>about
>> tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time
>keeping
>> me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
>>
>> Side Effects of Arimidex:
>> hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
>> nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
>swelling
>> of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
>> hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with tamoxifen
>> (10% vs 7%).
>>
>> I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this page:
>> http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
>>
>> ???
>>
>> Richard
>>
>
>YAHOOOO!!!!! I FOUND A GOOD DOCTOR THIS TIME! He is ordering some blood
>tests and plans to Rx me for Arimidex, LH injections, testosterone
>injections, and even HGH (to bring me back to "normal" levels, of course).
>What a rollercoaster ride this has been.
>
>Richard
>

If you go on ari you may also want to take vit d and cal citrate too.
Joint pain doesn't happen only in women.

http://record.wustl.edu/news/page/normal/6909.html

--
Is this thing on?

Richard wrote:

>"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>news:mgDJh.41908$6P2.13561@newsfe16.phx...
>
>
>>My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
>>anti-aromatase. QUICK.
>>
>>Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
>>endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking
>>
>>
>about
>
>
>>tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time
>>
>>
>keeping
>
>
>>me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
>>
>>Side Effects of Arimidex:
>>hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
>>nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
>>
>>
>swelling
>
>
>>of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
>>hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with tamoxifen
>>(10% vs 7%).
>>
>>I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this page:
>>http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
>>
>>???
>>
>>Richard
>>
>>
>
>Well, well. My good ole doctor has left me HIGH AND DRY. She's fucking short
>with me on the phone... won't talk about Arimidex, Proviron, Nolvadex, etc.
>'course, I can't blame her. This all started because my T was naturally low
>and she brought me back up to normal, and beyond with T cypionate. But.. now
>she doesn't want to get into this any deeper. Here I am stuck with high E
>and no chance but to order from an online pharmacy and hope for the best, or
>grow boobs and a vagina (thx David). Really, its just the water retention
>and fat that are bothering me.
>
>I could stop everything now including the T injections, and go back to my
>90-year-old man T levels with high-normal E levels.
>
>QUESTION 1: What do most bodybuilders try to keep E1 and E2 below?
>
>QUESTION 2: What is best while on T cypionate: Proviron, Nolvadex, or
>Arimidex?
>
>QUESTION 3: Or does anyone know of a "good" male hormone MD in the US who
>"treats" patients remotely?
>
>I wasn't asking my doctor to do anything illegal.. just to keep my fricken
>values IN RANGE. SHIT. She isn't worth a damn.
>
>Richard
>
>
>
>
Richard,
You HAVE to get a new MD. To be honest, I would start with some Nolvadex
so it will bind at the receptor sites with the Estrogen and then get
some Arimidex to stop the conversion. I take .5 mg 3 times/week and it
works perfectly for me.



--
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

Richard wrote:

>My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
>anti-aromatase. QUICK.
>
>Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
>endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking about
>tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time keeping
>me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
>
>Side Effects of Arimidex:
>hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
>nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis, swelling
>of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
>hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with tamoxifen
>(10% vs 7%).
>
>I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this page:
>http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
>
>???
>
>Richard
>
>
>
>
Richard,
Are you having any side effects from the Estrogen? If you are not, I
would not panic.

--
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

spodosaurus wrote:

> Richard wrote:
>
>> "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>> news:mgDJh.41908$6P2.13561@newsfe16.phx...
>>
>>> My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
>>> anti-aromatase. QUICK.
>>>
>>> Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
>>> endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking
>>
>> about
>>
>>> tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time
>>
>> keeping
>>
>>> me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
>>>
>>> Side Effects of Arimidex:
>>> hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
>>> nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
>>
>> swelling
>>
>>> of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the
>>> spine,
>>> hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with
>>> tamoxifen
>>> (10% vs 7%).
>>>
>>> I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this
>>> page:
>>> http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
>>>
>>> ???
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>
>> YAHOOOO!!!!! I FOUND A GOOD DOCTOR THIS TIME! He is ordering some blood
>> tests and plans to Rx me for Arimidex, LH injections, testosterone
>> injections, and even HGH (to bring me back to "normal" levels, of
>> course).
>> What a rollercoaster ride this has been.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>
> Sounds like a start, Richard. I haven't had any side effects (aside
> from back hair growth...and now some new sprouts on my shoulders) of
> taking testosterone and deca to keep my bone marrow working (we ran
> out of deca recently due to a stuff up with ordering it from a
> formulary pharmacy in the US...my platelet count dropped by 70k in
> less than 7 days...). However, we haven't been keeping track of my
> estrogen levels. I'll ask my doctor about that next week. I've heard
> HCG mentioned (Pregnyl) and we used that in me for a long while to
> increase my sperm counts. The only side effect: a baby.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ari

Ari,
I thought you had found some Anadrol? Does EPO not work for you?

Rob

--
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:

> YAHOOOO!!!!! I FOUND A GOOD DOCTOR THIS TIME! He is ordering some blood
> tests and plans to Rx me for Arimidex, LH injections, testosterone
> injections, and even HGH (to bring me back to "normal" levels, of course).

No Anadrol?

--
Pete

Robert Schuh wrote:
> spodosaurus wrote:
>
>> Richard wrote:
>>
>>> "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>>> news:mgDJh.41908$6P2.13561@newsfe16.phx...
>>>
>>>> My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
>>>> anti-aromatase. QUICK.
>>>>
>>>> Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
>>>> endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking
>>>
>>> about
>>>
>>>> tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time
>>>
>>> keeping
>>>
>>>> me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
>>>>
>>>> Side Effects of Arimidex:
>>>> hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
>>>> nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
>>>
>>> swelling
>>>
>>>> of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the
>>>> spine,
>>>> hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with
>>>> tamoxifen
>>>> (10% vs 7%).
>>>>
>>>> I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this
>>>> page:
>>>> http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
>>>>
>>>> ???
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>
>>> YAHOOOO!!!!! I FOUND A GOOD DOCTOR THIS TIME! He is ordering some blood
>>> tests and plans to Rx me for Arimidex, LH injections, testosterone
>>> injections, and even HGH (to bring me back to "normal" levels, of
>>> course).
>>> What a rollercoaster ride this has been.
>>>
>>> Richard
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like a start, Richard. I haven't had any side effects (aside
>> from back hair growth...and now some new sprouts on my shoulders) of
>> taking testosterone and deca to keep my bone marrow working (we ran
>> out of deca recently due to a stuff up with ordering it from a
>> formulary pharmacy in the US...my platelet count dropped by 70k in
>> less than 7 days...). However, we haven't been keeping track of my
>> estrogen levels. I'll ask my doctor about that next week. I've heard
>> HCG mentioned (Pregnyl) and we used that in me for a long while to
>> increase my sperm counts. The only side effect: a baby.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ari
>
> Ari,
> I thought you had found some Anadrol? Does EPO not work for you?
>
> Rob
>

Hi Rob,

We did try Anadrol at the end of 2004 when my counts were in the 'bleed
out or die from infection' ranges. It brought my platelet count up, but
it also made my liver VERY unhappy. On the bright side, the effects on
my liver allowed me to lose more than 20 pounds in a month, but then
again, a brain tumour would have done the same and felt about the same, too.

I am wayyy too far along for EPO to have any effect. My body has been
producing massive amounts of it since this all started.

Cheers,

Ari

"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuhpolycock.com> wrote in message
news:Sh5Kh.39580$S%2.1959@newsfe06.phx...
> Richard wrote:
>
> >My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
> >anti-aromatase. QUICK.
> >
> >Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the time? My
> >endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking
about
> >tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time
keeping
> >me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
> >
> >Side Effects of Arimidex:
> >hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore throat,
> >nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
swelling
> >of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the spine,
> >hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with
tamoxifen
> >(10% vs 7%).
> >
> >I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on this page:
> >http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
> >
> >???
> >
> >Richard
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Richard,
> Are you having any side effects from the Estrogen? If you are not, I
> would not panic.

Yep.. I probably shouldn't panic. Just a little water retention and
difficulty getting under 9% body fat.


> --
> --
> Robert Schuh
> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
> - Nietzsche
>
> http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

spodosaurus wrote:

> Robert Schuh wrote:
>
>> spodosaurus wrote:
>>
>>> Richard wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>>>> news:mgDJh.41908$6P2.13561@newsfe16.phx...
>>>>
>>>>> My estrogen level is at 270!! and I guess its time for some kind of
>>>>> anti-aromatase. QUICK.
>>>>>
>>>>> Is Arimidex (anastrozole) the best, and do you use it ALL the
>>>>> time? My
>>>>> endocrinologist has me on T replacement full time.. she's not talking
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> about
>>>>
>>>>> tapering off anytime in the near future because she has a hard time
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> keeping
>>>>
>>>>> me near 800. I suppose because it aromatizes into Estrogen?
>>>>>
>>>>> Side Effects of Arimidex:
>>>>> hot flashes, joint symptoms, weakness, mood changes, pain, sore
>>>>> throat,
>>>>> nausea and vomiting, depression, high blood pressure, osteoporosis,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> swelling
>>>>
>>>>> of arms/legs, and headache. Fractures (including fractures of the
>>>>> spine,
>>>>> hip, and wrist) occurred more frequently with ARIMIDEX than with
>>>>> tamoxifen
>>>>> (10% vs 7%).
>>>>>
>>>>> I have to do something, but Arimidex has some bad write ups on
>>>>> this page:
>>>>> http://www.askapatient.com/viewratin...&name=ARIMIDEX
>>>>>
>>>>> ???
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> YAHOOOO!!!!! I FOUND A GOOD DOCTOR THIS TIME! He is ordering some
>>>> blood
>>>> tests and plans to Rx me for Arimidex, LH injections, testosterone
>>>> injections, and even HGH (to bring me back to "normal" levels, of
>>>> course).
>>>> What a rollercoaster ride this has been.
>>>>
>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Sounds like a start, Richard. I haven't had any side effects (aside
>>> from back hair growth...and now some new sprouts on my shoulders)
>>> of taking testosterone and deca to keep my bone marrow working (we
>>> ran out of deca recently due to a stuff up with ordering it from a
>>> formulary pharmacy in the US...my platelet count dropped by 70k in
>>> less than 7 days...). However, we haven't been keeping track of my
>>> estrogen levels. I'll ask my doctor about that next week. I've heard
>>> HCG mentioned (Pregnyl) and we used that in me for a long while to
>>> increase my sperm counts. The only side effect: a baby.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Ari
>>
>>
>> Ari,
>> I thought you had found some Anadrol? Does EPO not work for you?
>>
>> Rob
>>
>
> Hi Rob,
>
> We did try Anadrol at the end of 2004 when my counts were in the
> 'bleed out or die from infection' ranges. It brought my platelet count
> up, but it also made my liver VERY unhappy. On the bright side, the
> effects on my liver allowed me to lose more than 20 pounds in a month,
> but then again, a brain tumour would have done the same and felt about
> the same, too.
>
> I am wayyy too far along for EPO to have any effect. My body has been
> producing massive amounts of it since this all started.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Ari

Ari,
How much Anadrol did you need to take? I never used more than 2/day for
more than 6 weeks, but I know the dosages for Aplastic Anemia are WILDLY
high, around 250-300 mg/day, so at that dosage, I can see why one's
liver would be crying! Do they ever just give you transfusions? My crit
got down to 11 once when my old Nephrologist would stop my EPO instead
of just cutting the dosage. I was FUCKED. I had to get a transfusion,
but it made me feel like a new man VERY quickly. I was back on EPO last
year for a while, but my blood work has been much better lately. Good
luck with all of this. I still remember talking to you about Anadrol
initially.

Rob

--
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

Richard wrote:
[...]

> Well, well. My good ole doctor has left
> me HIGH AND DRY. She's fucking short
> with me on the phone... won't talk about
> Arimidex, Proviron, Nolvadex, etc.
> 'course, I can't blame her.

You can't blame her? Well, why the heck not? She prescribes something
for you but then offers no follow-up care?

How'd you say you discovered the high estrogen level?

[...]

> Here I am stuck with high E and no chance
> but to order from an online pharmacy

Not an especially wise choice, imo. At least from recent news reports,
right?

> and hope for the best, or grow boobs

(sigh)

I'll let that go without further comment.

> and a vagina (thx David). Really, its just
> the water retention and fat that are
> bothering me.

How about general bitchiness? ;o)

[...]

> I wasn't asking my doctor to do anything
> illegal.. just to keep my fricken values
> IN RANGE. SHIT.

S

> She isn't worth a damn.
>
> Richard

Sadly, at least from your posts, I'd have to agree with you there,
Richard. Have you tried another doctor in your local area?

--
Curt

"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174009845.427622.144900@l75g2000hse.googlegr oups.com...
> Richard wrote:
> [...]
>
> > Well, well. My good ole doctor has left
> > me HIGH AND DRY. She's fucking short
> > with me on the phone... won't talk about
> > Arimidex, Proviron, Nolvadex, etc.
> > 'course, I can't blame her.
>
> You can't blame her? Well, why the heck not? She prescribes something
> for you but then offers no follow-up care?


Like most endocrinologists around here, they seem to only treat overweight
women with diabetes. They'll give a man T injections sometimes, but if you
go as far as asking for "extra" help where they have to Rx OTHER drugs, they
seem to get worried about being put on the DEA watch list. I guess. Or, she
was just being lazy. I suppose both.


> How'd you say you discovered the high estrogen level?
>
> [...]
>
> > Here I am stuck with high E and no chance
> > but to order from an online pharmacy
>
> Not an especially wise choice, imo. At least from recent news reports,
> right?
>
> > and hope for the best, or grow boobs
>
> (sigh)
>
> I'll let that go without further comment.
>
> > and a vagina (thx David). Really, its just
> > the water retention and fat that are
> > bothering me.
>
> How about general bitchiness? ;o)

Well.. maybe.


> [...]
>
> > I wasn't asking my doctor to do anything
> > illegal.. just to keep my fricken values
> > IN RANGE. SHIT.
>
> S
>
> > She isn't worth a damn.
> >
> > Richard
>
> Sadly, at least from your posts, I'd have to agree with you there,
> Richard. Have you tried another doctor in your local area?

Yesterday I found a doctor about 1 hour from me who will Rx Arimidex or
whatever it takes to get my values back in range while staying on T
injections. But I just got me estradiol results in this morning, and its not
as bad as I thought. E1 is sky high but E2 is just a little elevated. Its
about 10pg/mL higher than before I started T.

Richard


> --
> Curt
>

Robert Schuh wrote: