Article on wearing a belt for occupation and weight lifting purposes

http://www.backfitpro.com/recent%20a...ht%20belts.pdf

As good a read on the subject as I have yet seen. I have just ordered
the author's book "Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance," which I'm
looking forward to reading.

From the end of the above article:

"If one must lift a few more pounds, wear a belt. If one wants to groove
motor patterns to train for other athletic tasks that demand a stable
torso, it is probably better not to wear one. Instead do the work to
perfect lifting technique."

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

In article <4sjf1dF1007t3U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> http://www.backfitpro.com/recent%20a...ht%20belts.pdf
>
> As good a read on the subject as I have yet seen. I have just ordered
> the author's book "Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance," which I'm
> looking forward to reading.
>
> From the end of the above article:
>
> "If one must lift a few more pounds, wear a belt. If one wants to groove
> motor patterns to train for other athletic tasks that demand a stable
> torso, it is probably better not to wear one. Instead do the work to
> perfect lifting technique."

Still don't agree with it.

I don't think the belt adds anything to a lift, but it can be a good aid
in developing proper IAP as a kinesthetic cue. So how do you make such a
statement since a belt can aid proper lifting technique?

Furthermore, the idea of 'perfect lifting technique' is silly. At best
you could say that people try to minimize deviations from perceived
'perfect' technique. _Nobody_ moves perfectly.

Anyhow - done picking nits. I don't use a belt myself anymore and I can
still hit 6 plates pretty easy in training. I suspect I could still get
over 600 on the platform without a belt.

--
Keith

Hobbes wrote:
> In article <4sjf1dF1007t3U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.backfitpro.com/recent%20a...ht%20belts.pdf
>>
>> As good a read on the subject as I have yet seen. I have just
>> ordered the author's book "Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance,"
>> which I'm looking forward to reading.
>>
>> From the end of the above article:
>>
>> "If one must lift a few more pounds, wear a belt. If one wants to
>> groove motor patterns to train for other athletic tasks that demand
>> a stable torso, it is probably better not to wear one. Instead do
>> the work to perfect lifting technique."
>
> Still don't agree with it.
>
> I don't think the belt adds anything to a lift, but it can be a good
> aid in developing proper IAP as a kinesthetic cue. So how do you make
> such a statement since a belt can aid proper lifting technique?
>
> Furthermore, the idea of 'perfect lifting technique' is silly. At best
> you could say that people try to minimize deviations from perceived
> 'perfect' technique. _Nobody_ moves perfectly.
>
> Anyhow - done picking nits. I don't use a belt myself anymore and I
> can still hit 6 plates pretty easy in training. I suspect I could
> still get over 600 on the platform without a belt.

Is that 6 plates/side on the deadlift?

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

"Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:khobman800-E5D5AC.11242222112006@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <4sjf1dF1007t3U1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>> http://www.backfitpro.com/recent%20a...ht%20belts.pdf
>>
>> As good a read on the subject as I have yet seen. I have just
>> ordered
>> the author's book "Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance," which I'm
>> looking forward to reading.
>>
>> From the end of the above article:
>>
>> "If one must lift a few more pounds, wear a belt. If one wants to
>> groove
>> motor patterns to train for other athletic tasks that demand a stable
>> torso, it is probably better not to wear one. Instead do the work to
>> perfect lifting technique."
>
> Still don't agree with it.
>
> I don't think the belt adds anything to a lift, but it can be a good
> aid
> in developing proper IAP as a kinesthetic cue. So how do you make such
> a
> statement since a belt can aid proper lifting technique?

The whole article is something of a survey, not just a statement of
opinion although it is obviously that, too. That a belt _can_ aid in
proper lifting technique doesn't mean it's _required_, just that it's
something with both pluses and minuses. generate good IAP without ever
having pulled a single deadlift in my life using a belt - I just learned
how to do it without, the Party way.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


> Furthermore, the idea of 'perfect lifting technique' is silly. At best
> you could say that people try to minimize deviations from perceived
> 'perfect' technique. _Nobody_ moves perfectly.
>
> Anyhow - done picking nits. I don't use a belt myself anymore and I
> can
> still hit 6 plates pretty easy in training. I suspect I could still
> get
> over 600 on the platform without a belt.
>
> --
> Keith

In article <4sjg91F10150oU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

> Hobbes wrote:
> > In article <4sjf1dF1007t3U1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> >
> >> http://www.backfitpro.com/recent%20a...ht%20belts.pdf
> >>
> >> As good a read on the subject as I have yet seen. I have just
> >> ordered the author's book "Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance,"
> >> which I'm looking forward to reading.
> >>
> >> From the end of the above article:
> >>
> >> "If one must lift a few more pounds, wear a belt. If one wants to
> >> groove motor patterns to train for other athletic tasks that demand
> >> a stable torso, it is probably better not to wear one. Instead do
> >> the work to perfect lifting technique."
> >
> > Still don't agree with it.
> >
> > I don't think the belt adds anything to a lift, but it can be a good
> > aid in developing proper IAP as a kinesthetic cue. So how do you make
> > such a statement since a belt can aid proper lifting technique?
> >
> > Furthermore, the idea of 'perfect lifting technique' is silly. At best
> > you could say that people try to minimize deviations from perceived
> > 'perfect' technique. _Nobody_ moves perfectly.
> >
> > Anyhow - done picking nits. I don't use a belt myself anymore and I
> > can still hit 6 plates pretty easy in training. I suspect I could
> > still get over 600 on the platform without a belt.
>
> Is that 6 plates/side on the deadlift?

Yeah. My best is 623 in competition. That was done sumo style - I've
done 617 conventional (also in competition).

--
Keith

Hobbes wrote:
> In article <4sjg91F10150oU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>
>> Hobbes wrote:
>>> In article <4sjf1dF1007t3U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> http://www.backfitpro.com/recent%20a...ht%20belts.pdf
>>>>
>>>> As good a read on the subject as I have yet seen. I have just
>>>> ordered the author's book "Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance,"
>>>> which I'm looking forward to reading.
>>>>
>>>> From the end of the above article:
>>>>
>>>> "If one must lift a few more pounds, wear a belt. If one wants to
>>>> groove motor patterns to train for other athletic tasks that demand
>>>> a stable torso, it is probably better not to wear one. Instead do
>>>> the work to perfect lifting technique."
>>>
>>> Still don't agree with it.
>>>
>>> I don't think the belt adds anything to a lift, but it can be a good
>>> aid in developing proper IAP as a kinesthetic cue. So how do you
>>> make such a statement since a belt can aid proper lifting technique?
>>>
>>> Furthermore, the idea of 'perfect lifting technique' is silly. At
>>> best you could say that people try to minimize deviations from
>>> perceived 'perfect' technique. _Nobody_ moves perfectly.
>>>
>>> Anyhow - done picking nits. I don't use a belt myself anymore and I
>>> can still hit 6 plates pretty easy in training. I suspect I could
>>> still get over 600 on the platform without a belt.
>>
>> Is that 6 plates/side on the deadlift?
>
> Yeah. My best is 623 in competition. That was done sumo style - I've
> done 617 conventional (also in competition).

Do you squat and bench also or just deadlift?

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

In article <4sjil8F101sjqU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

> Hobbes wrote:
> > In article <4sjg91F10150oU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> >
> >> Hobbes wrote:
> >>> In article <4sjf1dF1007t3U1@mid.individual.net>,
> >>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> http://www.backfitpro.com/recent%20a...ht%20belts.pdf
> >>>>
> >>>> As good a read on the subject as I have yet seen. I have just
> >>>> ordered the author's book "Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance,"
> >>>> which I'm looking forward to reading.
> >>>>
> >>>> From the end of the above article:
> >>>>
> >>>> "If one must lift a few more pounds, wear a belt. If one wants to
> >>>> groove motor patterns to train for other athletic tasks that demand
> >>>> a stable torso, it is probably better not to wear one. Instead do
> >>>> the work to perfect lifting technique."
> >>>
> >>> Still don't agree with it.
> >>>
> >>> I don't think the belt adds anything to a lift, but it can be a good
> >>> aid in developing proper IAP as a kinesthetic cue. So how do you
> >>> make such a statement since a belt can aid proper lifting technique?
> >>>
> >>> Furthermore, the idea of 'perfect lifting technique' is silly. At
> >>> best you could say that people try to minimize deviations from
> >>> perceived 'perfect' technique. _Nobody_ moves perfectly.
> >>>
> >>> Anyhow - done picking nits. I don't use a belt myself anymore and I
> >>> can still hit 6 plates pretty easy in training. I suspect I could
> >>> still get over 600 on the platform without a belt.
> >>
> >> Is that 6 plates/side on the deadlift?
> >
> > Yeah. My best is 623 in competition. That was done sumo style - I've
> > done 617 conventional (also in competition).
>
> Do you squat and bench also or just deadlift?

All, of course.

I've lifted in several feds, but if you go back to 2004 there are some
results here...

http://www.powerlifting.ca/sask/saskresults.html

Personal bests:

Squat 617

Bench 403

--
Keith

Hobbes wrote:
> In article <4sjil8F101sjqU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>
>> Hobbes wrote:
>>> In article <4sjg91F10150oU1@mid.individual.net>,
>>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hobbes wrote:
>>>>> In article <4sjf1dF1007t3U1@mid.individual.net>,
>>>>> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.backfitpro.com/recent%20a...ht%20belts.pdf
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As good a read on the subject as I have yet seen. I have just
>>>>>> ordered the author's book "Ultimate Back Fitness and
>>>>>> Performance," which I'm looking forward to reading.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> From the end of the above article:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "If one must lift a few more pounds, wear a belt. If one wants to
>>>>>> groove motor patterns to train for other athletic tasks that
>>>>>> demand a stable torso, it is probably better not to wear one.
>>>>>> Instead do the work to perfect lifting technique."
>>>>>
>>>>> Still don't agree with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't think the belt adds anything to a lift, but it can be a
>>>>> good aid in developing proper IAP as a kinesthetic cue. So how do
>>>>> you make such a statement since a belt can aid proper lifting
>>>>> technique?
>>>>>
>>>>> Furthermore, the idea of 'perfect lifting technique' is silly. At
>>>>> best you could say that people try to minimize deviations from
>>>>> perceived 'perfect' technique. _Nobody_ moves perfectly.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyhow - done picking nits. I don't use a belt myself anymore and
>>>>> I can still hit 6 plates pretty easy in training. I suspect I
>>>>> could still get over 600 on the platform without a belt.
>>>>
>>>> Is that 6 plates/side on the deadlift?
>>>
>>> Yeah. My best is 623 in competition. That was done sumo style - I've
>>> done 617 conventional (also in competition).
>>
>> Do you squat and bench also or just deadlift?
>
> All, of course.
>
> I've lifted in several feds, but if you go back to 2004 there are some
> results here...
>
> http://www.powerlifting.ca/sask/saskresults.html
>
> Personal bests:
>
> Squat 617
>
> Bench 403

Jeez, a 617 squat is scary !!! I could imagine a 400lb bench as it's only
1/3 more than my current max, but 600lbs on the squat -- feck!

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Actually, you need not have read the whole article, as he pretty much stated
their uselessness in the very first line of his synopsis.

Forgot where else I read this, but it makes eminent logical sense:
Occupational back belts have a much more nefarious purpose, sorta akin to
seat belt laws, whose real purpose is not to save lives, but to generate
boucoufuknRevenue for municipalities, and fuck up your insurance (yeah, 0
points, but guess what, muthafuckas, yer insurance goes UP!).

Sed nefarious purpose being:
Home Depot et al require the effing belts, not for any safety reason
whatsoever (which they well know), but because it gets them out of OJT
injury claims/Comp. claims.
How, you ax, if it don't even work?
1. they *know* that there will be a *significant* fraction of cases where
the worker can be documented not having worn sed ""safety"" belt, so now HD
et al are *off the hook*, and the worker eats it;
2. HD et al can still assert that the belt *must not have been worn*, cuz
otherwise the injury wouldna happened (of course), and thereby still get out
of a comp claim, or at least parse out responsibility, lowering their
liability.
3. Allows them more control/disciplinary action over workers for simple
non-compliance.
4.
5.
6.

Investment tip: Vaseline.
Health tip: Keep a 1# jar (or at least the squeeze tube) of the above
around at all times. It makes the Inevitable Insertion much more bearable.
Unless, of course, they just break it off inside you, then you have another
problem.
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"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
news:4sjf1dF1007t3U1@mid.individual.net...
> http://www.backfitpro.com/recent%20a...ht%20belts.pdf
>
> As good a read on the subject as I have yet seen. I have just ordered the
> author's book "Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance," which I'm looking
> forward to reading.
>
> From the end of the above article:
>
> "If one must lift a few more pounds, wear a belt. If one wants to groove
> motor patterns to train for other athletic tasks that demand a stable
> torso, it is probably better not to wear one. Instead do the work to
> perfect lifting technique."
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com
>
>
>

Steve Freides wrote:

> http://www.backfitpro.com/recent%20a...ht%20belts.pdf
>
> As good a read on the subject as I have yet seen. I have just ordered
> the author's book "Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance," which I'm
> looking forward to reading.
>
> From the end of the above article:
>
> "If one must lift a few more pounds, wear a belt. If one wants to groove
> motor patterns to train for other athletic tasks that demand a stable
> torso, it is probably better not to wear one. Instead do the work to
> perfect lifting technique."
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com

Hello,

Thanks for posting the link to this article. In my years of lifting, and
observing competitions, invariably, the competitors wear weight belts. And
lifting suits. And wraps.

My personal weight lifting goals are, IMHO, modest:

Bench - 315, 1 to 2 sets of 10
Squat - 405, 1 to 2 sets of 10
Deads - 405, 1 to 2 sets of 10

I am currently at:

Bench - 245, 1 to 2 sets of 10
Squat - 345, 1 to 2 sets of 10
Deads - 345, 1 to 2 sets of 8, my stinking grip gives out.

I do not wear a belt for bench. I wear a belt for deads, and squats, for the
max lifts only (345), and not the warmups. Squat and deadlift warmups
consist of sets of circa 8 repetitions, with 135, 185, 225, and 295 pounds,
respectively.

I am asking for opinions on whether or not to use weight belts, and if so,
what kind. From what I have seen by trolling this group, there are some
serious, knowledgeable athletes here, and so, any reply on this, somewhat
long post, would be Greatly Appreciated.

John

In article <ek76p402dv7@enews3.newsguy.com>, John <heimdal@aracnet.com>
wrote:

> Steve Freides wrote:
>
> > http://www.backfitpro.com/recent%20a...ht%20belts.pdf
> >
> > As good a read on the subject as I have yet seen. I have just ordered
> > the author's book "Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance," which I'm
> > looking forward to reading.
> >
> > From the end of the above article:
> >
> > "If one must lift a few more pounds, wear a belt. If one wants to groove
> > motor patterns to train for other athletic tasks that demand a stable
> > torso, it is probably better not to wear one. Instead do the work to
> > perfect lifting technique."
> >
> > -S-
> > http://www.kbnj.com
>
> Hello,
>
> Thanks for posting the link to this article. In my years of lifting, and
> observing competitions, invariably, the competitors wear weight belts. And
> lifting suits. And wraps.
>
> My personal weight lifting goals are, IMHO, modest:
>
> Bench - 315, 1 to 2 sets of 10
> Squat - 405, 1 to 2 sets of 10
> Deads - 405, 1 to 2 sets of 10
>
> I am currently at:
>
> Bench - 245, 1 to 2 sets of 10
> Squat - 345, 1 to 2 sets of 10
> Deads - 345, 1 to 2 sets of 8, my stinking grip gives out.
>
> I do not wear a belt for bench. I wear a belt for deads, and squats, for the
> max lifts only (345), and not the warmups. Squat and deadlift warmups
> consist of sets of circa 8 repetitions, with 135, 185, 225, and 295 pounds,
> respectively.
>
> I am asking for opinions on whether or not to use weight belts, and if so,
> what kind. From what I have seen by trolling this group, there are some
> serious, knowledgeable athletes here, and so, any reply on this, somewhat
> long post, would be Greatly Appreciated.
>
> John

John - if your goals are rep maxes, I really wouldn't bother with any
kind of belt. If you do use one as a proprioceptive aid, I'd just get a
cheap velcro web belt. If you are planning on entering a powerlifting
meet, then I'd go for a serious 4" heavy leather belt.

--
Keith

"John" <heimdal@aracnet.com> wrote in message
news:ek76p402dv7@enews3.newsguy.com...
> Steve Freides wrote:
>
>> http://www.backfitpro.com/recent%20a...ht%20belts.pdf
>>
>> As good a read on the subject as I have yet seen. I have just
>> ordered
>> the author's book "Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance," which I'm
>> looking forward to reading.
>>
>> From the end of the above article:
>>
>> "If one must lift a few more pounds, wear a belt. If one wants to
>> groove
>> motor patterns to train for other athletic tasks that demand a stable
>> torso, it is probably better not to wear one. Instead do the work to
>> perfect lifting technique."
>>
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>
> Hello,
>
> Thanks for posting the link to this article. In my years of lifting,
> and
> observing competitions, invariably, the competitors wear weight belts.
> And
> lifting suits. And wraps.
>
> My personal weight lifting goals are, IMHO, modest:
>
> Bench - 315, 1 to 2 sets of 10
> Squat - 405, 1 to 2 sets of 10
> Deads - 405, 1 to 2 sets of 10
>
> I am currently at:
>
> Bench - 245, 1 to 2 sets of 10
> Squat - 345, 1 to 2 sets of 10
> Deads - 345, 1 to 2 sets of 8, my stinking grip gives out.
>
> I do not wear a belt for bench. I wear a belt for deads, and squats,
> for the
> max lifts only (345), and not the warmups. Squat and deadlift warmups
> consist of sets of circa 8 repetitions, with 135, 185, 225, and 295
> pounds,
> respectively.
>
> I am asking for opinions on whether or not to use weight belts, and if
> so,
> what kind. From what I have seen by trolling this group, there are
> some
> serious, knowledgeable athletes here, and so, any reply on this,
> somewhat
> long post, would be Greatly Appreciated.

You might try to enter a PL competition sometime. I do at least one per
year and it's great fun to train for a one-rep max then "stand and
deliver" when the judge gives you the signal to start. I know that
doesn't answer your question but I think the article that started this
answers that question pretty well, which is to say it's a matter of
personal choice and there is no right or wrong. Personally, I lift in
the raw division, which means no supportive gear _except_ a belt is
allowed, but I choose not to wear the belt because, well, the article
gives the reasons better than I ever could.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


>
> John

John wrote:
> Steve Freides wrote:
>
>> http://www.backfitpro.com/recent%20a...ht%20belts.pdf
>>
>> As good a read on the subject as I have yet seen. I have just
>> ordered the author's book "Ultimate Back Fitness and Performance,"
>> which I'm looking forward to reading.
>>
>> From the end of the above article:
>>
>> "If one must lift a few more pounds, wear a belt. If one wants to
>> groove motor patterns to train for other athletic tasks that demand
>> a stable torso, it is probably better not to wear one. Instead do
>> the work to perfect lifting technique."
>>
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>
> Hello,
>
> Thanks for posting the link to this article. In my years of lifting,
> and observing competitions, invariably, the competitors wear weight
> belts. And lifting suits. And wraps.
>
> My personal weight lifting goals are, IMHO, modest:
>
> Bench - 315, 1 to 2 sets of 10
> Squat - 405, 1 to 2 sets of 10
> Deads - 405, 1 to 2 sets of 10
>
> I am currently at:
>
> Bench - 245, 1 to 2 sets of 10

Which is it then, 1 or 2 sets ?

> Squat - 345, 1 to 2 sets of 10
> Deads - 345, 1 to 2 sets of 8, my stinking grip gives out.
>
> I do not wear a belt for bench. I wear a belt for deads, and squats,
> for the max lifts only (345), and not the warmups. Squat and deadlift
> warmups consist of sets of circa 8 repetitions, with 135, 185, 225,
> and 295 pounds, respectively.
>
> I am asking for opinions on whether or not to use weight belts, and
> if so, what kind. From what I have seen by trolling this group, there
> are some serious, knowledgeable athletes here, and so, any reply on
> this, somewhat long post, would be Greatly Appreciated.
>
> John



--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss