Back work

When I stand normally, the back part of my shoulder protrudes out 2-3
inches. When I used my back to flex back, I noticed that it looked a
lot more normal. So, from what I can see, my pecs are stronger than my
back is (?) so....can anyone give me a good back workout?

potnisanish@gmail.com wrote:
> When I stand normally, the back part of my shoulder protrudes out 2-3
> inches. When I used my back to flex back, I noticed that it looked a
> lot more normal. So, from what I can see, my pecs are stronger than my
> back is (?) so....can anyone give me a good back workout?

Deadlifts, chins, bent over rows.

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Dnia 2006-10-21 Bully napisa³(a):
> potnisanish@gmail.com wrote:
>> When I stand normally, the back part of my shoulder protrudes out 2-3
>> inches. When I used my back to flex back, I noticed that it looked a
>> lot more normal. So, from what I can see, my pecs are stronger than my
>> back is (?) so....can anyone give me a good back workout?
>
> Deadlifts, chins, bent over rows.

Bent over rows, chins, deadlifts. In that order.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> schreef:

>> Deadlifts, chins, bent over rows.

> Bent over rows, chins, deadlifts. In that order.

Is there a reason for that particular order?

----
Pete

Pete wrote:
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
>>> Deadlifts, chins, bent over rows.
>
>> Bent over rows, chins, deadlifts. In that order.
>
> Is there a reason for that particular order?
>
> ----
> Pete

It's wrong, all wrong. My order was the correct one!

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:21:03 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
<bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dnia 2006-10-21 Bully napisa³(a):
>> potnisanish@gmail.com wrote:
>>> When I stand normally, the back part of my shoulder protrudes out 2-3
>>> inches. When I used my back to flex back, I noticed that it looked a
>>> lot more normal. So, from what I can see, my pecs are stronger than my
>>> back is (?) so....can anyone give me a good back workout?
>>
>> Deadlifts, chins, bent over rows.
>
>Bent over rows, chins, deadlifts. In that order.

We have a rather nice Precor machine in my gym, which is in fact the
pec machine reversed. This gives a very satisfying and thorough back
exercise, which can be varied by raising and lower the seat etc.

Have a great weekend - I am! ;o)

Dnia 2006-10-21 Charles napisa³(a):
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:21:03 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
><bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Dnia 2006-10-21 Bully napisa³(a):
>>> potnisanish@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> When I stand normally, the back part of my shoulder protrudes out 2-3
>>>> inches. When I used my back to flex back, I noticed that it looked a
>>>> lot more normal. So, from what I can see, my pecs are stronger than my
>>>> back is (?) so....can anyone give me a good back workout?
>>>
>>> Deadlifts, chins, bent over rows.
>>
>>Bent over rows, chins, deadlifts. In that order.
>
> We have a rather nice Precor machine in my gym, which is in fact the
> pec machine reversed. This gives a very satisfying and thorough back
> exercise, which can be varied by raising and lower the seat etc.

I'd prefer Power Curls anyway. ;-)

> Have a great weekend - I am! ;o)

My is average, up to now.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Dnia 2006-10-21 Pete napisa³(a):
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
>>> Deadlifts, chins, bent over rows.
>
>> Bent over rows, chins, deadlifts. In that order.
>
> Is there a reason for that particular order?

Yes. It's called biomechanics. ;-)

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Dnia 2006-10-21 Bully napisa³(a):
> Pete wrote:
>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> schreef:
>>
>>>> Deadlifts, chins, bent over rows.
>>
>>> Bent over rows, chins, deadlifts. In that order.
>>
>> Is there a reason for that particular order?
>>
>> ----
>> Pete
>
> It's wrong, all wrong. My order was the correct one!

I'm not sure if powerlifters training heavy bent over rows to balance
their benching would necessarily agree.

On the other hand, Ian King claimed that deadlift is the only exercise
which is able to balance bench, but I do not have to agree with
everything what Ian King wrote.

Back to OP and his problem.
I'd do heavy rows. One handed, if I'd train deadlifts already and two
handed if not. In case of one handed rows I like to do them in stable
three-pod position, with both legs on the floor and "free" hand on a
bench. I row in full range of motion, from the floor to the chest, with
a bit of speed during concentric phase. I feel secure recommending
this technique, because recently I read that Dave Draper also prefers
it and even called the more popular "knee on bench" approach bullshit.

Anyway, go heavy and work on your row as much as you work on your
bench. Simple requirement of going from the floor to the chest helps
with that. You do not care so much about any particulars and just pull
as strong as possible.

Other row I actually prefer to the aforementioned is "unsupported" one
handed bent over row. I put an elbow of a "free" hand on the knee of
corresponding leg and again simply row from the floor to the chest.

Third one, which idea I got from DZ, is to assume a top pushup
position, grab a dumbbell in one hand and row it high. To do that
efficiently one must put his torso in a plane perpendicular to the
floor. It then becomes some sort of "drawing a bow" motion.

In fact I prefer one handed row, because one can go heavy without
cheating. With two handed rows it is easy to use lower back, so it is
harder to track progress.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Dnia 2006-10-21 Pete napisa³(a):
>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> schreef:
>>
>>>> Deadlifts, chins, bent over rows.
>>
>>> Bent over rows, chins, deadlifts. In that order.
>>
>> Is there a reason for that particular order?
>
>Yes. It's called biomechanics. ;-)

Then perhaps you will be so kind as to explain the biomechanical
advantage. That, of course, would mean anatomical references and not
name-dropping.

Dnia 2006-10-21 JMW napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Dnia 2006-10-21 Pete napisa³(a):
>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> schreef:
>>>
>>>>> Deadlifts, chins, bent over rows.
>>>
>>>> Bent over rows, chins, deadlifts. In that order.
>>>
>>> Is there a reason for that particular order?
>>
>>Yes. It's called biomechanics. ;-)
>
> Then perhaps you will be so kind as to explain the biomechanical
> advantage.

OP's scapulas "stick out" so he must strengthen muscles which retract
them. That would be mainly lower traps and rhomboids, which are worked
hardest during horizontal pull exercises. Neither chins nor deadlifts
are ones.

> That, of course, would mean anatomical references and not
> name-dropping.

Do you mean, that until I google something in Latin I'm wrong?

All right. Authors of this publication:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
seem to agree with my approach (scapular retractor and "I'm feeling lucky.").

So, I assume, now I'm officially right?

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dnia 2006-10-21 JMW napisa³(a):
>> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Dnia 2006-10-21 Pete napisa³(a):
>>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> schreef:
>>>>
>>>>>> Deadlifts, chins, bent over rows.
>>>>
>>>>> Bent over rows, chins, deadlifts. In that order.
>>>>
>>>> Is there a reason for that particular order?
>>>
>>>Yes. It's called biomechanics. ;-)
>>
>> Then perhaps you will be so kind as to explain the biomechanical
>> advantage.
>
>OP's scapulas "stick out" so he must strengthen muscles which retract
>them. That would be mainly lower traps and rhomboids, which are worked
>hardest during horizontal pull exercises. Neither chins nor deadlifts
>are ones.

So you think that adduction of the scapulae by the trapezius is
irrelevant? Deadlifts do tend to incorporate the trapezius more than
just a wee bit, yes?

>> That, of course, would mean anatomical references and not
>> name-dropping.
>
>Do you mean, that until I google something in Latin I'm wrong?
>
>All right. Authors of this publication:
>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
>seem to agree with my approach (scapular retractor and "I'm feeling lucky.").
>
>So, I assume, now I'm officially right?

Certainly not a bad reference. Better than "Louie Simmons sez ... Ian
King sez ... Dave Draper sez" for supporting biomechanical arguments.

Dnia 2006-10-21 JMW napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> Then perhaps you will be so kind as to explain the biomechanical
>>> advantage.
>>
>>OP's scapulas "stick out" so he must strengthen muscles which retract
>>them. That would be mainly lower traps and rhomboids, which are worked
>>hardest during horizontal pull exercises. Neither chins nor deadlifts
>>are ones.
>
> So you think that adduction of the scapulae by the trapezius is
> irrelevant?

As far as I understand the words used, in case of shoulder blade
retraction and adduction would be more or less similar motions.

You can retract them (draw them back) by adduction (motion toward the
body axis).

Do I get it wrong? English is my third language, so feel free to
correct me.

> Deadlifts do tend to incorporate the trapezius more than
> just a wee bit, yes?

Yes. I did not suggest that they do nothing. I suggested that they do
less than rows and chins.

>>> That, of course, would mean anatomical references and not
>>> name-dropping.
>>
>>Do you mean, that until I google something in Latin I'm wrong?
>>
>>All right. Authors of this publication:
>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
>>seem to agree with my approach (scapular retractor and "I'm feeling lucky.").
>>
>>So, I assume, now I'm officially right?
>
> Certainly not a bad reference. Better than "Louie Simmons sez ... Ian
> King sez ... Dave Draper sez" for supporting biomechanical arguments.

I prefer the former ones.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:51:43 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
<bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dnia 2006-10-21 Charles napisa³(a):
>> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 10:21:03 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>><bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Dnia 2006-10-21 Bully napisa³(a):
>>>> potnisanish@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> When I stand normally, the back part of my shoulder protrudes out 2-3
>>>>> inches. When I used my back to flex back, I noticed that it looked a
>>>>> lot more normal. So, from what I can see, my pecs are stronger than my
>>>>> back is (?) so....can anyone give me a good back workout?
>>>>
>>>> Deadlifts, chins, bent over rows.
>>>
>>>Bent over rows, chins, deadlifts. In that order.
>>
>> We have a rather nice Precor machine in my gym, which is in fact the
>> pec machine reversed. This gives a very satisfying and thorough back
>> exercise, which can be varied by raising and lower the seat etc.
>
>I'd prefer Power Curls anyway. ;-)

Of course you do but that doesn't mean that they aren't still "crap"!
;o)

>
>> Have a great weekend - I am! ;o)
>
>My is average, up to now.

You have to work at it Andrzej! - I always do!! ;o)

HAGW!

Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dnia 2006-10-21 JMW napisa³(a):
>> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> Then perhaps you will be so kind as to explain the biomechanical
>>>> advantage.
>>>
>>>OP's scapulas "stick out" so he must strengthen muscles which retract
>>>them. That would be mainly lower traps and rhomboids, which are worked
>>>hardest during horizontal pull exercises. Neither chins nor deadlifts
>>>are ones.
>>
>> So you think that adduction of the scapulae by the trapezius is
>> irrelevant?
>
>As far as I understand the words used, in case of shoulder blade
>retraction and adduction would be more or less similar motions.
>
>You can retract them (draw them back) by adduction (motion toward the
>body axis).
>
>Do I get it wrong? English is my third language, so feel free to
>correct me.

Your English translation is fine. Perhaps your parsing is a problem.
It you meant, "Neither chins nor deadlifts are ones [which retract the
scapulae]" that would then be wrong, as you admitted below, yes?

>> Deadlifts do tend to incorporate the trapezius more than
>> just a wee bit, yes?
>
>Yes. I did not suggest that they do nothing. I suggested that they do
>less than rows and chins.

Perhaps that depends on whether one's deadlift form is round-backed or
the more proper arch-backed.

>>>> That, of course, would mean anatomical references and not
>>>> name-dropping.
>>>
>>>Do you mean, that until I google something in Latin I'm wrong?
>>>
>>>All right. Authors of this publication:
>>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
>>>seem to agree with my approach (scapular retractor and "I'm feeling lucky.").
>>>
>>>So, I assume, now I'm officially right?
>>
>> Certainly not a bad reference. Better than "Louie Simmons sez ... Ian
>> King sez ... Dave Draper sez" for supporting biomechanical arguments.
>
>I prefer the former ones.

Prefer them for what? General strength conditioning or biomechanical
arguments?

Dnia 2006-10-21 Charles napisa³(a):
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:51:43 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
><bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> We have a rather nice Precor machine in my gym, which is in fact the
>>> pec machine reversed. This gives a very satisfying and thorough back
>>> exercise, which can be varied by raising and lower the seat etc.
>>
>>I'd prefer Power Curls anyway. ;-)
>
> Of course you do but that doesn't mean that they aren't still "crap"!
> ;o)

Do you suggest I'm sort of coprophil? Damn, I thought this was not my
cup of tea. ;-)

>>> Have a great weekend - I am! ;o)
>>
>>My is average, up to now.
>
> You have to work at it Andrzej! - I always do!! ;o)
>
> HAGW!

I prefer to work during a week and rest during a weekend, but whatever
floats your boat.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Dnia 2006-10-21 JMW napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Dnia 2006-10-21 JMW napisa³(a):
>>> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>OP's scapulas "stick out" so he must strengthen muscles which retract
>>>>them. That would be mainly lower traps and rhomboids, which are worked
>>>>hardest during horizontal pull exercises. Neither chins nor deadlifts
>>>>are ones.
>>>
>>> So you think that adduction of the scapulae by the trapezius is
>>> irrelevant?
>>
>>As far as I understand the words used, in case of shoulder blade
>>retraction and adduction would be more or less similar motions.
>>
>>You can retract them (draw them back) by adduction (motion toward the
>>body axis).
>>
>>Do I get it wrong? English is my third language, so feel free to
>>correct me.
>
> Your English translation is fine. Perhaps your parsing is a problem.
> It you meant, "Neither chins nor deadlifts are ones [which retract the
> scapulae]" that would then be wrong, as you admitted below, yes?

All right. We understood each other one more time. Three time's a
charm?

>>> Deadlifts do tend to incorporate the trapezius more than
>>> just a wee bit, yes?
>>
>>Yes. I did not suggest that they do nothing. I suggested that they do
>>less than rows and chins.
>
> Perhaps that depends on whether one's deadlift form is round-backed or
> the more proper arch-backed.

Sure. Also the style of deadlift makes a difference. Romanian
deadlifts would be better than sumos, for example.

>>>>Do you mean, that until I google something in Latin I'm wrong?
>>>>
>>>>All right. Authors of this publication:
>>>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/q...&dopt=Abstract
>>>>seem to agree with my approach (scapular retractor and "I'm feeling lucky.").
>>>>
>>>>So, I assume, now I'm officially right?
>>>
>>> Certainly not a bad reference. Better than "Louie Simmons sez ... Ian
>>> King sez ... Dave Draper sez" for supporting biomechanical arguments.
>>
>>I prefer the former ones.
>
> Prefer them for what? General strength conditioning or biomechanical
> arguments?

For down to earth training advice. No need to complicate a simple
thing. Horizontal push needs to be balanced by a horizontal pull.
Both need to be trained equally hard.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

<potnisanish@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161399696.832351.181890@m7g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
> When I stand normally, the back part of my shoulder protrudes out 2-3
> inches. When I used my back to flex back, I noticed that it looked a
> lot more normal. So, from what I can see, my pecs are stronger than my
> back is (?) so....can anyone give me a good back workout?

It's tough to say it's ever bad to strengthen anything, but maybe you
need some chest opening stretches, e.g., grab a doorway or your power
rack behind you and lean forward.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Dnia 2006-10-21 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
><potnisanish@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161399696.832351.181890@m7g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
>> When I stand normally, the back part of my shoulder protrudes out 2-3
>> inches. When I used my back to flex back, I noticed that it looked a
>> lot more normal. So, from what I can see, my pecs are stronger than my
>> back is (?) so....can anyone give me a good back workout?
>
> It's tough to say it's ever bad to strengthen anything, but maybe you
> need some chest opening stretches, e.g., grab a doorway or your power
> rack behind you and lean forward.

I tried this. It didn't work for me because I was not doing it often
enough.

Now I simply choose the lifts which make me stretch as I do them and
this finally works. I'm able to do one handed over-head squats first
time in my adult life (still wobbly, but damn, I can do them!).

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ehdnf7$nf5$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
> Dnia 2006-10-21 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>><potnisanish@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161399696.832351.181890@m7g2000cwm.googlegro ups.com...
>>> When I stand normally, the back part of my shoulder protrudes out
>>> 2-3
>>> inches. When I used my back to flex back, I noticed that it looked a
>>> lot more normal. So, from what I can see, my pecs are stronger than
>>> my
>>> back is (?) so....can anyone give me a good back workout?
>>
>> It's tough to say it's ever bad to strengthen anything, but maybe you
>> need some chest opening stretches, e.g., grab a doorway or your power
>> rack behind you and lean forward.
>
> I tried this. It didn't work for me because I was not doing it often
> enough.
>
> Now I simply choose the lifts which make me stretch as I do them and
> this finally works. I'm able to do one handed over-head squats first
> time in my adult life (still wobbly, but damn, I can do them!).

With what are you doing them, a dumbbell? Good move, tough, I agree.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Dnia 2006-10-21 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ehdnf7$nf5$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>> It's tough to say it's ever bad to strengthen anything, but maybe you
>>> need some chest opening stretches, e.g., grab a doorway or your power
>>> rack behind you and lean forward.
>>
>> I tried this. It didn't work for me because I was not doing it often
>> enough.
>>
>> Now I simply choose the lifts which make me stretch as I do them and
>> this finally works. I'm able to do one handed over-head squats first
>> time in my adult life (still wobbly, but damn, I can do them!).
>
> With what are you doing them, a dumbbell?

Barbell.

> Good move, tough, I agree.

Yeap.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:10:29 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
<bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dnia 2006-10-21 Charles napisa³(a):
>> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:51:43 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>><bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> We have a rather nice Precor machine in my gym, which is in fact the
>>>> pec machine reversed. This gives a very satisfying and thorough back
>>>> exercise, which can be varied by raising and lower the seat etc.
>>>
>>>I'd prefer Power Curls anyway. ;-)
>>
>> Of course you do but that doesn't mean that they aren't still "crap"!
>> ;o)
>
>Do you suggest I'm sort of coprophil? Damn, I thought this was not my
>cup of tea. ;-)

No shit! ;o)

>
>>>> Have a great weekend - I am! ;o)
>>>
>>>My is average, up to now.
>>
>> You have to work at it Andrzej! - I always do!! ;o)
>>
>> HAGW!
>
>I prefer to work during a week and rest during a weekend, but whatever
>floats your boat.

You have to work hard at making sure your restful weekend is of the
right recreational quality. However, with English as your third
language, you may have a job in deciphering and understanding the
mangled syntax! ;o)

HAGW!

Dnia 2006-10-21 Charles napisa³(a):
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:10:29 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
><bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>>>My is average, up to now.
>>>
>>> You have to work at it Andrzej! - I always do!! ;o)
>>>
>>> HAGW!
>>
>>I prefer to work during a week and rest during a weekend, but whatever
>>floats your boat.
>
> You have to work hard at making sure your restful weekend is of the
> right recreational quality.

I tried several times. Wonderfully wasted time and effort. ;-)

I much prefer to be lazy and bored than to feel obliged to have fun.

(That was the problem I had when going to parties with people from West
Europe. You know that party is about having a good time and you are
going to have it, no matter how boring it might become. Every time I
landed at such a gathering when every one had such a "great time" I
missed those honest to goodness boring parties I sometime had at home.
They were much easier to survive, because there was nothing wrong in
feeling and looking totally bored.)

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:24:27 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
<bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:10:29 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
><bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Dnia 2006-10-21 Charles napisa³(a):
>>> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 11:51:43 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>>><bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> We have a rather nice Precor machine in my gym, which is in fact the
>>>>> pec machine reversed. This gives a very satisfying and thorough back
>>>>> exercise, which can be varied by raising and lower the seat etc.
>>>>
>>>>I'd prefer Power Curls anyway. ;-)
>>>
>>> Of course you do but that doesn't mean that they aren't still "crap"!
>>> ;o)
>>
>>Do you suggest I'm sort of coprophil? Damn, I thought this was not my
>>cup of tea. ;-)
>
>No shit! ;o)
>
>>
>>>>> Have a great weekend - I am! ;o)
>>>>
>>>>My is average, up to now.
>>>
>>> You have to work at it Andrzej! - I always do!! ;o)
>>
>>I prefer to work during a week and rest during a weekend, but whatever
>>floats your boat.
>
>You have to work hard at making sure your restful weekend is of the
>right recreational quality. However, with English as your third
>language, you may have a job in deciphering and understanding the
>mangled syntax! ;o)
>>
>> You have to work hard at making sure your restful weekend is of the
>> right recreational quality.
>
>I tried several times. Wonderfully wasted time and effort. ;-)

Time spent enjoying oneself is never "wasted time and effort."

>
>I much prefer to be lazy and bored

There can be nothing more soul destroying than being "bored", while
being "lazy" can sometimes be a very relaxing activity.

>than to feel obliged to have fun.

You're not "obliged to have fun", it's all down to choice and having
the sophistication to know how to have fun - to your own entire
satisfaction.

>
>(That was the problem I had when going to parties with people from West
>Europe. You know that party is about having a good time and you are
>going to have it, no matter how boring it might become.

If a "party" isn't fun then do a runner, go somewhere else and make
your own fun, even if that means just being lazy with someone nice and
cuddly! ;o)

>Every time I
>landed at such a gathering when every one had such a "great time" I
>missed those honest to goodness boring parties I sometime had at home.
>They were much easier to survive, because there was nothing wrong in
>feeling and looking totally bored.

Yes, I've seen people just like that, they like to call it being laid
back - the dopey pricks!! ;o)

>)

John Williams wrote:
[...]

> <snip> more than just a wee bit<snip>

And you're more than just a wee bit of a jerk. ;o)

Hth.

> Better than<snip> Dave Draper sez<snip>

PubMed author versus Dave Draper? I know whose brain I'd wanna pick.
Ymmv.

--
Curt

"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ehdsdc$1tu$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
> Dnia 2006-10-21 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:ehdnf7$nf5$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>>>> It's tough to say it's ever bad to strengthen anything, but maybe
>>>> you
>>>> need some chest opening stretches, e.g., grab a doorway or your
>>>> power
>>>> rack behind you and lean forward.
>>>
>>> I tried this. It didn't work for me because I was not doing it
>>> often
>>> enough.
>>>
>>> Now I simply choose the lifts which make me stretch as I do them and
>>> this finally works. I'm able to do one handed over-head squats
>>> first
>>> time in my adult life (still wobbly, but damn, I can do them!).
>>
>> With what are you doing them, a dumbbell?
>
> Barbell.
>
>> Good move, tough, I agree.
>
> Yeap.

I've never tried that - how are you orienting the bar? I'm guessing
front-to-back and not side-to-side.

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Dnia 2006-10-22 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ehdsdc$1tu$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
>> Dnia 2006-10-21 Steve Freides napisa³(a):
>>>
>>> With what are you doing them, a dumbbell?
>>
>> Barbell.
>>
>>> Good move, tough, I agree.
>>
>> Yeap.
>
> I've never tried that - how are you orienting the bar? I'm guessing
> front-to-back and not side-to-side.

Side to side. I do OHS with my warmup weights when I'm snatching. I
snatch and try to make a catch tolerably low, but I always fail at it,
so I just lower myself down as far as I can. Now I can reach full
squat (well, with some side bend, but that's acceptable for this lift).

I wasn't maxing out or anything. I was doing assistance for snatching.

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Andrzej Rosa 1127R