body composition

how true is the following theory:

if i exercise a lot, i am burning muscle and fat, then if i eat only when i
am hungry i will replace the muslce, therefore losing fat and
gaining/maintaining muscle

In article
<4548947d$0$8039$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
"ryan scott" <err@fdgfg.55t> wrote:

> how true is the following theory:
>
> if i exercise a lot, i am burning muscle and fat, then if i eat only when i
> am hungry i will replace the muslce, therefore losing fat and
> gaining/maintaining muscle
>
>
>

Right out to lunch. But the idea that you exercise a lot and eat in
moderation will still cause body recomposition, so the theory is all
wrong, but the effect is the same.

--
Keith

"Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> In article
> <4548947d$0$8039$5a62ac22@per-qv1-newsreader-01.iinet.net.au>,
> "ryan scott" <err@fdgfg.55t> wrote:
>> how true is the following theory:
>> if i exercise a lot, i am burning muscle and fat, then if i eat only when
>> i
>> am hungry i will replace the muslce, therefore losing fat and
>> gaining/maintaining muscle
> Right out to lunch. But the idea that you exercise a lot and eat in
> moderation will still cause body recomposition, so the theory is all
> wrong, but the effect is the same.

What he said.

ep

On Nov 1, 4:35 am, "ryan scott" <e...@fdgfg.55t> wrote:
> how true is the following theory:
> if i exercise a lot

Whats 'a lot'? What you consider 'a lot' may not be.
And what kinds of exercise? Cardio? Weights? Other?

> i am burning muscle and fat

Typically you should burn off the calories (fuel) you are consuming,
then some stored bodyfat and only muscle if you are not eating enough
to support it. One cannot usually gain much muscle within a calorie
restricted diet. Its a fine line between eating enough calories and
eating too much.

> then if i eat only when i am hungry

Bad move - track your calories.

>i will replace the muslce, therefore losing fat and gaining/maintaining muscle

Replace the muscle? You might mean to try to replace some fat with some
muscle, but it really doesnt always happen that way especially if you
dont have tight control over your eating habits.




joanne

In article <1162400872.206100.116140@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups. com>,
"joanne" <jgrrl2@yahoo.com> wrote:

> > then if i eat only when i am hungry
>
> Bad move - track your calories.

IMO this isn't necessary for a lot of people. I have no problem losing
weight when I want to and I simply eat less, especially of
carbohydrates. The idea you have to track everything is simply a weight
watchers type of thing and is normally reserved for people who need to
do so to maintain a diet.

If the average person eats moderately and eats 'clean' they won't have
weight problems.

--
Keith

"Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
> "joanne" <jgrrl2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> > then if i eat only when i am hungry
>>
>> Bad move - track your calories.
>
> IMO this isn't necessary for a lot of people. I have no problem losing
> weight when I want to and I simply eat less, especially of
> carbohydrates. The idea you have to track everything is simply a weight
> watchers type of thing and is normally reserved for people who need to
> do so to maintain a diet.
>
> If the average person eats moderately and eats 'clean' they won't have
> weight problems.

Of course. The "track your calorie/fitday" people are nearly cult like in
this advice. And for many, if not most, people, it is counterproductive.

David

In article <Fx62h.1003$l25.642@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
> > "joanne" <jgrrl2@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> > then if i eat only when i am hungry
> >>
> >> Bad move - track your calories.
> >
> > IMO this isn't necessary for a lot of people. I have no problem losing
> > weight when I want to and I simply eat less, especially of
> > carbohydrates. The idea you have to track everything is simply a weight
> > watchers type of thing and is normally reserved for people who need to
> > do so to maintain a diet.
> >
> > If the average person eats moderately and eats 'clean' they won't have
> > weight problems.
>
> Of course. The "track your calorie/fitday" people are nearly cult like in
> this advice. And for many, if not most, people, it is counterproductive.
>
> David
>
>

Not to mention darn boring.

--
Keith

"Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:khobman800-25EA83.13560001112006@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> In article <Fx62h.1003$l25.642@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
>> > "joanne" <jgrrl2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > If the average person eats moderately and eats 'clean' they won't have
>> > weight problems.
>> Of course. The "track your calorie/fitday" people are nearly cult like in
>> this advice. And for many, if not most, people, it is counterproductive.
> Not to mention darn boring.

I think some people get a sort of obsessive-compulsive satisfaction out of
it. And I think it can be a self-esteem booster to feel quite sure that you
have kept a commitment to yourself as precisely as possible.

Personally, I can hardly keep count of a few reps, much less hundreds of
calories. I keep a little checklist on the side of my fridge and check off
the food groups I eat every day. I don't forget to eat enought fruits and
vegetables this way, or and I don't lose track of how many portions of carbs
or proteins I've had. I don't have the mental space or the desire to
remember such stuff, even for a day.

ep

Dnia 2006-11-01 Hobbes napisa³(a):
> In article <1162400872.206100.116140@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups. com>,
> "joanne" <jgrrl2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Bad move - track your calories.
>
> IMO this isn't necessary for a lot of people. I have no problem losing
> weight when I want to and I simply eat less, especially of
> carbohydrates. The idea you have to track everything is simply a weight
> watchers type of thing and is normally reserved for people who need to
> do so to maintain a diet.
>
> If the average person eats moderately and eats 'clean' they won't have
> weight problems.

I have a strong suspicion that "eating moderately" and "eating clean"
are the same things. Some people (like bodybuilders during bulking)
try to eat immoderately and clean. It's a lot of effort and doesn't
work for juicers. Juicers need to eat even more immoderately which by
"clean" eating is very hard to achieve.

From what I've seen, most long term diet plans boil down to making
eating uncomfortable, for example by making food taste bad, or by
removing one of macronutrients, or by forbidding some popular food
combinations, or by some other(worldly) principle.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

In article <AI72h.4088$Fi1.253@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
"Edna Pearl" <edna_pearl@BiteMeSpammeryahoo.com> wrote:

> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:khobman800-25EA83.13560001112006@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
> > In article <Fx62h.1003$l25.642@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
> >> > "joanne" <jgrrl2@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > If the average person eats moderately and eats 'clean' they won't have
> >> > weight problems.
> >> Of course. The "track your calorie/fitday" people are nearly cult like in
> >> this advice. And for many, if not most, people, it is counterproductive.
> > Not to mention darn boring.
>
> I think some people get a sort of obsessive-compulsive satisfaction out of
> it. And I think it can be a self-esteem booster to feel quite sure that you
> have kept a commitment to yourself as precisely as possible.
>
> Personally, I can hardly keep count of a few reps, much less hundreds of
> calories. I keep a little checklist on the side of my fridge and check off
> the food groups I eat every day. I don't forget to eat enought fruits and
> vegetables this way, or and I don't lose track of how many portions of carbs
> or proteins I've had. I don't have the mental space or the desire to
> remember such stuff, even for a day.

Ditto. Micro management just doesn't work for me.

I try and eat very clean from Mon-Fri. In the am I eat mostly fresh
fruit and vegetables and I normally have a pretty good supper - fish and
rice being most common. Fri to Sun anything goes.

--
Keith

In article <eib24v$63o$1@inews.gazeta.pl>,
Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dnia 2006-11-01 Hobbes napisa³(a):
> > In article <1162400872.206100.116140@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups. com>,
> > "joanne" <jgrrl2@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Bad move - track your calories.
> >
> > IMO this isn't necessary for a lot of people. I have no problem losing
> > weight when I want to and I simply eat less, especially of
> > carbohydrates. The idea you have to track everything is simply a weight
> > watchers type of thing and is normally reserved for people who need to
> > do so to maintain a diet.
> >
> > If the average person eats moderately and eats 'clean' they won't have
> > weight problems.
>
> I have a strong suspicion that "eating moderately" and "eating clean"
> are the same things.

I guess it would depend on the person - that is certainly possible. For
me 'clean' means no transfats, fresh veggies, etc. Moderation is simply
that --> don't pig out.

If I eat junk I do tend to also eat a lot, it's true.

--
Keith

Dnia 2006-11-01 Hobbes napisa³(a):
> In article <eib24v$63o$1@inews.gazeta.pl>,
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Dnia 2006-11-01 Hobbes napisa³(a):
>> > In article <1162400872.206100.116140@e3g2000cwe.googlegroups. com>,
>> > "joanne" <jgrrl2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Bad move - track your calories.
>> >
>> > IMO this isn't necessary for a lot of people. I have no problem losing
>> > weight when I want to and I simply eat less, especially of
>> > carbohydrates. The idea you have to track everything is simply a weight
>> > watchers type of thing and is normally reserved for people who need to
>> > do so to maintain a diet.
>> >
>> > If the average person eats moderately and eats 'clean' they won't have
>> > weight problems.
>>
>> I have a strong suspicion that "eating moderately" and "eating clean"
>> are the same things.
>
> I guess it would depend on the person - that is certainly possible. For
> me 'clean' means no transfats, fresh veggies, etc. Moderation is simply
> that --> don't pig out.
>
> If I eat junk I do tend to also eat a lot, it's true.

And way more calories, too, taking in account that junk is calorie
dense.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 15:06:37 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>In article <AI72h.4088$Fi1.253@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>,
> "Edna Pearl" <edna_pearl@BiteMeSpammeryahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:khobman800-25EA83.13560001112006@sn-ip.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
>> > In article <Fx62h.1003$l25.642@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
>> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> "Hobbes" <khobman800@yahoo.com> wrote
>> >> > "joanne" <jgrrl2@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> > If the average person eats moderately and eats 'clean' they won't have
>> >> > weight problems.
>> >> Of course. The "track your calorie/fitday" people are nearly cult like in
>> >> this advice. And for many, if not most, people, it is counterproductive.
>> > Not to mention darn boring.
>>
>> I think some people get a sort of obsessive-compulsive satisfaction out of
>> it. And I think it can be a self-esteem booster to feel quite sure that you
>> have kept a commitment to yourself as precisely as possible.
>>
>> Personally, I can hardly keep count of a few reps, much less hundreds of
>> calories. I keep a little checklist on the side of my fridge and check off
>> the food groups I eat every day. I don't forget to eat enought fruits and
>> vegetables this way, or and I don't lose track of how many portions of carbs
>> or proteins I've had. I don't have the mental space or the desire to
>> remember such stuff, even for a day.
>
>Ditto. Micro management just doesn't work for me.
>
>I try and eat very clean from Mon-Fri. In the am I eat mostly fresh
>fruit and vegetables and I normally have a pretty good supper - fish and
>rice being most common. Fri to Sun anything goes.

Now there's a man after my own heart! ;o)

Work, workout, eat sensibly during the week, and have a great weekend.
I've been doing it for years and I feel very well, fit and trim on
this regime!

However, for me there has to be an awareness of caloric content of the
weekday intake on this system, because once the trousers start to get
too tight, it's sometimes beyond the point of no return.

I am enormously helped by my wife who plans the weekly meals and
provides a great variety of good wholesome nourishing food, making
sure that I eat the right amounts. Lots of fruit and vegetables with a
lot of chicken in some great curries. Good value calories!

It's no big sacrifice and I always have something to which to look
forward - roll on Friday! ;o)