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Old 07-10-2007, 10:45 PM
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Particularly WRT bodybuilding and/or weight-lifting??

Ironman magazine keeps promoting its $30 book on rotator cuff
health...but I was wondering if there're any other titles out there.
For all the talk on strict form and such, I find very few articles
(and no big ones, even then) on injuries and injury prevention/
healing....

I mean, how many articles on bench pressing and creatine can they
recycle??

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Old 07-11-2007, 04:33 AM
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On Jul 11, 3:05 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Particularly WRT bodybuilding and/or weight-lifting??
>
> Ironman magazine keeps promoting its $30 book on rotator cuff
> health...but I was wondering if there're any other titles out there.
> For all the talk on strict form and such, I find very few articles
> (and no big ones, even then) on injuries and injury prevention/
> healing....
>
> I mean, how many articles on bench pressing and creatine can they
> recycle??


Billions bro.. It's just the way it goes.. They'll give some sample
programs with exercises, then recycle it by changing its order.

But on the contrary this is what i think one good thing about
recycling...

There are new guys who gets hook into bodybuilding that could find old
recycled articles beneficial.. Not everybody has a collectors item of
mags, i mean, some just depend on what they have and what they just
bought (except for those resourceful one of course)..

-Vince

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Old 07-11-2007, 06:08 PM
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Prisoner at War wrote:

> Particularly WRT bodybuilding and/or weight-lifting??
>
> Ironman magazine keeps promoting its $30 book on rotator cuff
> health...but I was wondering if there're any other titles out there.
> For all the talk on strict form and such, I find very few articles
> (and no big ones, even then) on injuries and injury prevention/
> healing....
>
> I mean, how many articles on bench pressing and creatine can they
> recycle??


Iirc, MuscleMag recently had an article on working around shoulder
injuries.

(searches)

Aaaaaand that issue is apparently buried somewhere.

Your bicep, right? Speedy recovery to you.

Fwiw, what was your search string?

http://tinyurl.com/3y5msv

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Old 07-11-2007, 06:08 PM
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VinCe wrote:
> Prisoner at War wrote:
>
> > Particularly WRT bodybuilding and/or weight-lifting??

>
> > Ironman magazine keeps promoting its $30 book on rotator cuff
> > health...but I was wondering if there're any other titles out there.
> > For all the talk on strict form and such, I find very few articles
> > (and no big ones, even then) on injuries and injury prevention/
> > healing....

>
> > I mean, how many articles on bench pressing and creatine can they
> > recycle??

>
> Billions bro..


No doubt. Chest and arms are the bread and butter of the muscle
magazine industry.

> It's just the way it goes.. They'll give some sample programs with
> exercises, then recycle it by changing its order.
>
> But on the contrary this is what i think one good thing about recycling...
>
> There are new guys who gets hook into bodybuilding that could find old
> recycled articles beneficial.. Not everybody has a collectors item of
> mags, i mean, some just depend on what they have and what they just
> bought (except for those resourceful one of course)..
>
> -Vince


I wish I had all the mags I had from my teen years. And the books. At
least one by Bill Reynolds. Saw him at one of the Arnold Classics, but
didn't say hello. He died soon after, iirc. Should have offered
something like, "Hey, I've always enjoyed your articles." Franco
Columbu's 'Winning Bodybuilding' had enjoyable text and great pics.
The original 'Pumping Iron' with Ed Corney on the cover versus the
Platz edition. And that first weight training book I got at the
Ephrata Public Library, by Bob Hoffman, forget the title,
unfortunately, but it was full of pics and stories of the old York
weightlifting crew. Guys like Stanko, Grimek, Terlazzo. Mentzer's
'Heavy Duty' which turned out to be nothing more than a thin booklet
but with an interesting story and, yeah, cool black and white pics of
Mentzer from back in the day. /nostalgia

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Old 07-11-2007, 06:08 PM
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On Jul 10, 11:24 pm, VinCe <sweet_rusk...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Billions bro.. It's just the way it goes.. They'll give some sample
> programs with exercises, then recycle it by changing its order.


Yeah, I've noticed that in only like three issues! What the heck --
three issues????

I almost worked for a print pornographer once as a writer (she's a
woman, too! All them lil' pocket-sized B&W mags sold in NYC subway
newsstands, with titles like "Family Stories" and "Coed Life" were
hers!). You know what I was supposed to do? Recycle their catalog of
stories, ad-lib style. But even that was supposed to be like every
year or so!

These muscle rags seem do the same boring "articles" month after
month...you'd think some stuff about sports injuries would be
interesting, if even for the writers' and editors' own sanity!

> But on the contrary this is what i think one good thing about
> recycling...
>
> There are new guys who gets hook into bodybuilding that could find old
> recycled articles beneficial.. Not everybody has a collectors item of
> mags, i mean, some just depend on what they have and what they just
> bought (except for those resourceful one of course)..
>
> -Vince


You're right, but I'm not sure why there aren't more articles -- and
bigger, longer articles -- on sports injuries and such. I'm sure
those are of concern to newbies, too!

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Old 07-11-2007, 06:08 PM
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On Jul 11, 9:20 am, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Iirc, MuscleMag recently had an article on working around shoulder
> injuries.
>
> (searches)
>
> Aaaaaand that issue is apparently buried somewhere.


Actually, their March issue (the one with Arnold on it) had an article
by a medical doctor about elbow tendon frays and tears, specifically
about sugar injections to treat them ($200-$400 x 4 or 5 visits). I
sure hope that ain't my problem!!!

> Your bicep, right? Speedy recovery to you.


It's a sight to see: left arm, 30-lbs., right arm, 50-lbs. That's how
I do my curls nowadays. The pain from the left arm really discourages
me, 'cause it's sharp, but I don't want it to atrophy completely so I
do what I can. I think my right biceps is noticeably bigger now,
too...! Gotta get out the tape measure tonight and see for sure....

> Fwiw, what was your search string?
>
> http://tinyurl.com/3y5msv


Thanks -- I asked here on usenet 'cause I figured someone might
already have read some such books. Even amazon reviews don't carry as
much weight as the recommendation of, say, an MFW regular.

> --
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Old 07-11-2007, 06:08 PM
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Prisoner at War wrote:
> Curt wrote:

[...]

> > Your bicep, right? Speedy recovery to you.

>
> It's a sight to see: left arm, 30-lbs., right arm, 50-lbs. That's how
> I do my curls nowadays. The pain from the left arm really discourages
> me, 'cause it's sharp, but I don't want it to atrophy completely so I
> do what I can. I think my right biceps is noticeably bigger now,
> too...! Gotta get out the tape measure tonight and see for sure....


Did you say you go on Friday to see what a doctor has to say?

I hope it's something simple.

Doctor: "Rest. Here's a lollipop. You'll be fine. And, hey, no
charge!"

If there's a nurse there named Cohen, run!

Cohen, RN: "Amputate."

No.

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Old 07-12-2007, 04:57 PM
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"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Prisoner at War wrote:
> > Curt wrote:

> [...]
>
> > > Your bicep, right? Speedy recovery to you.

> >
> > It's a sight to see: left arm, 30-lbs., right arm, 50-lbs. That's how
> > I do my curls nowadays. The pain from the left arm really discourages
> > me, 'cause it's sharp, but I don't want it to atrophy completely so I
> > do what I can. I think my right biceps is noticeably bigger now,
> > too...! Gotta get out the tape measure tonight and see for sure....

>
> Did you say you go on Friday to see what a doctor has to say?
>
> I hope it's something simple.
>
> Doctor: "Rest. Here's a lollipop. You'll be fine. And, hey, no
> charge!"
>
> If there's a nurse there named Cohen, run!
>
> Cohen, RN: "Amputate."
>
> No.
>
> --
> Curt


Wouldn't it be better to just go ahead and harvest all the transplantable
organs possible?


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Old 07-12-2007, 04:57 PM
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On Jul 11, 12:05 pm, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Did you say you go on Friday to see what a doctor has to say?
>
> I hope it's something simple.


Well, this is the guy who advised me, regarding my injured back, to
stop running.

And he knows I love to jog.

But he's cool, 35 like myself, a former high school football player,
and he entertains all my questions (I'm as chatty in real life as I am
here), and a Fellow of the Royal Society of Orthopedic Surgeons
(didn't even know they had that) and I almost know for sure that he'll
prescribe me the MRI I want (luckily I have health insurance but that
means I must get a doctor's recommendation for such things).

I just hope he doesn't tell me to stop lifting.

> Doctor: "Rest. Here's a lollipop. You'll be fine. And, hey, no
> charge!"
>
> If there's a nurse there named Cohen, run!
>
> Cohen, RN: "Amputate."
>
> No.


They'd probably amputate the right one, which in my case would be the
wrong one....

> --
> Curt



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Old 07-13-2007, 04:13 AM
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Spammers_Should_Be_Shot wrote:
> "Curt" wrote
> > Prisoner at War wrote:
> > > Curt wrote:

> > [...]

>
> > > > Your bicep, right? Speedy recovery to you.


That still goes, too, btw. Speedy and full recovery, PaW.

> > > It's a sight to see: left arm, 30-lbs., right arm, 50-lbs. That's how
> > > I do my curls nowadays. The pain from the left arm really discourages
> > > me, 'cause it's sharp, but I don't want it to atrophy completely so I
> > > do what I can. I think my right biceps is noticeably bigger now,
> > > too...! Gotta get out the tape measure tonight and see for sure....

>
> > Did you say you go on Friday to see what a doctor has to say?

>
> > I hope it's something simple.

>
> > Doctor: "Rest. Here's a lollipop. You'll be fine. And, hey, no
> > charge!"

>
> > If there's a nurse there named Cohen, run!

>
> > Cohen, RN: "Amputate."

>
> > No.

[...]

> Wouldn't it be better to just go ahead and harvest all the transplantable
> organs possible?


Naaaaah.

But I do hope his doctor is very masculine.

Doctor: "So, I hear your arm hurts."

(hands Prisoner at War the August issue of Playboy)

Doctor: "Yeah, I really dig the chics. Just thought I should tell you
that. But, hey, who doesn't, right? Gotta love the babes."

Prisoner at War: "That's right!"

Doctor: "Babes, babes, babes!"

Prisoner at War: "Yes, now about my bicep."

Doctor: "Hominah, hominah, hominah! Hey, did you get a load of my
nurse? Those puppies are REAL, too. Trust me."

(doctor winks)

Prisoner at War: "Uh, doc? My arm is really bothering me. The one
bicep is significantly weaker than..."

Doctor: "TITS AND ASS! TITS AND ASS! HO BOY! I JUST LOOOOOVE WOMEN!"

Prisoner at War: "Uh, weaker than the other and..."

Doctor: "Nurse, get your sexy self in here! Man, oh, man! Just LOOK at
her! Oh, wait, who's that hottie in the waiting room? I'll be right
back, young man."

Prisoner at War: "Just forget it."

(curtain closes)

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Old 07-13-2007, 04:13 AM
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Prisoner at War wrote:
> Curt wrote:
>
> > Did you say you go on Friday to see what a doctor has to say?

>
> > I hope it's something simple.

>
> Well, this is the guy who advised me, regarding my injured back, to
> stop running.


Not a good sign.

> And he knows I love to jog.
>
> But he's cool, 35 like myself, a former high school football player,
> and he entertains all my questions (I'm as chatty in real life as I am
> here), and a Fellow of the Royal Society of Orthopedic Surgeons
> (didn't even know they had that) and I almost know for sure that he'll
> prescribe me the MRI I want (luckily I have health insurance but that
> means I must get a doctor's recommendation for such things).


I hated that frigging MRI. And it turned up NOTHING. Bah! I think I
just needed to let it rest. I use 150 for four reps on the seated
press machine today, so my shoulder's definitely improved.

> I just hope he doesn't tell me to stop lifting.


Well, if it goes like his jogging recommendation.

> > Doctor: "Rest. Here's a lollipop. You'll be fine. And, hey, no
> > charge!"

>
> > If there's a nurse there named Cohen, run!

>
> > Cohen, RN: "Amputate."

>
> > No.

>
> They'd probably amputate the right one, which in my case would be the
> wrong one....


Don't even joke about that. Hell, you know it's happened at some
point. Odds are. I know I've read about the healthy eye being removed.
And, iirc - and this is not a dig at Schuh - the same's happened to a
kidney. I'm not kidding about taking a fat permanent marker with me if
I ever go in for surgery.

(looks at business card for OR scheduler)

Got that pleomorphic thingy they gotta remove this summer. Might give
it a pass. I could use a bigger neck. So, how do I get one on the
other side?

Nah. Better buy that permanent marker. They'll remove my carotid or
jugular.

Doctor: "Oops."

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Old 07-13-2007, 04:13 AM
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Prisoner at War wrote:
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> <snip>I'm as chatty in real life as I am here<snip>


Yeah, I hate those chatty types.

They just post and post and post and post and post and...

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Old 07-14-2007, 06:19 AM
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On Jul 10, 3:05 pm, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Particularly WRT bodybuilding and/or weight-lifting??
>
> Ironman magazine keeps promoting its $30 book on rotator cuff
> health...but I was wondering if there're any other titles out there.
> For all the talk on strict form and such, I find very few articles
> (and no big ones, even then) on injuries and injury prevention/
> healing....
>
> I mean, how many articles on bench pressing and creatine can they
> recycle??




Oh, I just saw the new, Second Edition of Frederic Delavier's
"Strength Training Anatomy," and it has a few extra pages now on
common sports injuries associated with the body parts exercised.
Nice! But, in keeping with the rest of the book's introductory ethos,
it's a general overview that's given, so details will require
reference to other texts.

Surprised there ain't more books out there on sports
injuries...wow...couldn't find a single one in the big multi-storied
B&N at Union Square in NYC...can you believe that....

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Old 07-14-2007, 06:19 AM
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On Jul 12, 8:42 pm, Curt <curtja...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>
> Not a good sign.


Just back from the doc...interestingly, he didn't tell me not to
lift! He actually told me to keep lifting, only to decrease poundage,
etc.

Basically, what I had already been doing.

> I hated that frigging MRI. And it turned up NOTHING. Bah! I think I
> just needed to let it rest. I use 150 for four reps on the seated
> press machine today, so my shoulder's definitely improved.


Yeah, it takes so long for them to scan ya!

The doc advised me that, actually, it's possbile for an MRI not to
pick up a muscle tear! So they're not foolproof....

> Well, if it goes like his jogging recommendation.


Actually, it turns out that the doc had torn his biceps, too! (Yeah,
he thinks there may be a slight tear in me.) Both of 'em,
simultaneously...said it took him a year and a half to recover! So
you can imagine my chagrin worrying about my elbow (bicep tendon, we
think)...

> Don't even joke about that. Hell, you know it's happened at some
> point. Odds are. I know I've read about the healthy eye being removed.
> And, iirc - and this is not a dig at Schuh - the same's happened to a
> kidney. I'm not kidding about taking a fat permanent marker with me if
> I ever go in for surgery.
>
> (looks at business card for OR scheduler)
>
> Got that pleomorphic thingy they gotta remove this summer. Might give
> it a pass. I could use a bigger neck. So, how do I get one on the
> other side?
>
> Nah. Better buy that permanent marker. They'll remove my carotid or
> jugular.
>
> Doctor: "Oops."


So you're having surgery?? Wow...hope you don't wake up from the
oxygen, like a few (very few) people do, but still paralyzed! Can you
imagine that...feeling every incision and whatnot and not being able
to say thing or move because you are still paralyzed....

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