Bowflex shatters under load

"Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

>> I never met a single person with bad knees outside a gym.

> Do you know any soccer players?

Soccer players always fuck up their knees and ankles. Always, its inherent
to the sport.

The main reason they fuck up their knees is because they have "spikes""under
their shoes, and they play on grass, which is soft ground. It will give you
a better "grip", but when you rotate the body to turn sideways, and soccer
polayers ALWAYS turn sideways to confuse the opponents, the lower leg kinda
stays in the same position, while the femur goes around its length axis.
Thats bad.

Soccer players around here more or less have accepted this phenomenon, and
have several surgical procedures throughout their career.

Marco van Basten, our present couch of the Dutch coccer team, admitted that
he completely sacrificed, and fucked, his ankle the last years he played in
Italy.

He figured it was worth the extra millions he made.

--
Pete

In news:46059739.5943069@news.telus.net,
Achim Nolcken Lohse <lohsea@3web.nettax> typed:
> On Sat, 24 Mar 2007 10:49:34 -0000, "Bully"
> <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>
> ...
>> Have you ever squatted?
>
> Yes.
>>
>
>> Squatting with a heavy[*] weight for me is done
>> with conscious competence, therefore requiring a much greater degree
>> of concentration.
>
> I guess you're concentrating so much that you've never noticed that
> other people don't necessarily share this talent to the same
> degree....

I had noticed, but that's their problem not mine.

>>
>>[*] heavy being the operative word in this sentence. Light
>> squatting is done, for me, more with unconscious competence.
>
> This fine for you, at least until the day you lose your concentration.
> For most people, distraction is a constant problem.

Really. I've found with almost all my training partners over the years
having a heavy fuck-off weight across their shoulders ensures their total
concentraion.

>
> When I work out to failure, even the simplest cognitive functions,
> like writing a number in the correct column, are difficult for some
> seconds afterward. And I work out in a closed room, with no one
> present, and few possible sources of distraction. I'd hate to think
> what it would be like to work out in a busy gym, or even a household
> with kids or other adults going about their business.



--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

Dnia 2007-03-26 Pete napisa³(a):
> "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> schreef:
>
>> Marco van Basten, our present couch...
>
> ?!?!?!
>
> I said "couch" instead of coach...
>
> The human sub-consious works in mysterious ways i guess.
> Last game it was 0-0 against the Romanians.

You hired the wrong Dutch. We hired Leo Beenhakker for a coach, and
since then we always win.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 13:29:19 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dnia 2007-03-26 Pete napisa³(a):
>> "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> schreef:
>>
>>> Marco van Basten, our present couch...
>>
>> ?!?!?!
>>
>> I said "couch" instead of coach...
>>
>> The human sub-consious works in mysterious ways i guess.
>> Last game it was 0-0 against the Romanians.
>
>You hired the wrong Dutch. We hired Leo Beenhakker for a coach, and
>since then we always win.

But how is he as a couch?

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> writes:

> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote
>>> "David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> wrote
>>>> "223rem" <223rem@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> http://www.fastexercise.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> ROM - The 4-Minute CrossTrainer. It may be a little pricey, but think
>>>>> of it as a super-ultra-Bowflex.
>>>>
>>>> it is odd that their website doesn't have any photos of the various
>>>> exercises you can do on this machine -
>>>
>>> Order the DVD. It's free.
>>>
>> I'm an instant gratification kind of guy. If I have to wait 3 days and
>> fill out a form . . . anyways I can't justify that kind of denieros - If
>> you have a DVD why not just tell the common folk here wtf it does??
>
> Jason Earl and I have sworn allegience to the Cult of the ROM.
>
> Order the DVD. It's free. There is no subliminal message contained therein.
> You will want to watch it over and over. It's good. Very very good.

If you sign up for the DVD they send you a link to some video that you
can download. At least that's what they did when I signed up for the
video. I also must admit that the ROM folks haven't bothered me with
any other junk mail. I was expecting to get crap in the mail every
week for the rest of my life.

That being the case, I wouldn't recommend getting the DVD. I don't
doubt that the ROM works, but there are far less expensive ways to
achieve the same results.

Jason

lohsea@3web.nettax (Achim Nolcken Lohse) writes:

> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:01:47 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
> <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> ... one-legged exercises.... are very safe from a biomechanical point of view
>
> Baloney.
>
> There's nothing safe about one-legged exercises. You can injure your
> back as well as your knee. And you certainly can't do one-legged
> squats to failure safely.

This coming from someone whose primary exercise equipment apparently
exploded throwing shrapnel all over his living room.

Pistols and other one legged exercises are perfectly safe. Sure, you
could probably manage to hurt yourself if you tried hard enough, but
its not likely.

Jason

On Mon, 26 Mar 2007 15:42:29 -0600, Jason Earl <jearl@xmission.com>
wrote:

>lohsea@3web.nettax (Achim Nolcken Lohse) writes:
>
>> On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 23:01:47 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>> <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> ... one-legged exercises.... are very safe from a biomechanical point of view
>>
>> Baloney.
>>
>> There's nothing safe about one-legged exercises. You can injure your
>> back as well as your knee. And you certainly can't do one-legged
>> squats to failure safely.
>
>This coming from someone whose primary exercise equipment apparently
>exploded throwing shrapnel all over his living room.

Corrections:

1. part of the apparatus shattered, I never used the word "exploded"
or "shrapnel"

2. I work out in the sun room, not the living room

I should also point out that this is the first disabling breakdown
I've experienced in six years of using the apparatus, and that the
only risk of injury I can imagine from this event is that of getting a
jagged piece of plastic in the eye.

I had a spare rod box (the part that shattered),and installed it as
soon as I finished taking photos to document the event, and then
completed my workout. The only thing I changed is that I now wear eye
protection when I use the Bowflex, which is probably a good idea when
working out with any machine that has moving and/or projecting parts.
>
>Pistols and other one legged exercises are perfectly safe. Sure, you
>could probably manage to hurt yourself if you tried hard enough, but
>its not likely.

One legged exercise carries a serious risk of injury precisely because
it makes the back unstable. The back muscles are capable of doing all
sorts of serious injuries to your spine and to your tendons.

I've had a number of lingering injuries from falls - not because of
the impact, but because of the damage my back and/or neck muscles did
in trying to stop me from hitting the ground. And, perhaps you haven't
had occasion to experience this, but such old injuries have a way of
being reinjured.

Sure you can do all kinds of wonderful things with one leg. Obviously
- there are amputees that ski with one leg. And maybe you can stay
uninjured all your life doing this. But you're pushing your luck.

I exercise to stay fit and healthy. It makes no sense to me to use
inherently dangerous techniques to do this when safe methods are
available.

It may be that it's impossible for anyone to do serious bodybuilding
with a Bowflex. It's definitely too underpowered for someone my size,
so I've never been able to test this myself. But (with some
modifications) it's allowed me to keep in reasonable shape all these
years without aggravating any of my existing injuries, and that's
nothing to sneeze at.
--

Achim
_____/)
axethetax

Achim Nolcken Lohse wrote:
[...]

> <snip> I never used the word "exploded"
> or "shrapnel"

Fwiw, I used the word shrapnel in my one post. Accurate description,
imo, but used more for its exaggerated impact in a perhaps misguided
attempt at humor. That's not, however, to comment on any other
poster's motivation.
[...]

> the only risk of injury I can imagine from
> this event is that of getting a jagged piece
> of plastic in the eye. <snip> The only thing
> I changed is that I now wear eye protection
> when I use the Bowflex, which is probably
> a good idea when working out with any
> machine that has moving and/or projecting
> parts.

No doubt.

I've often hesitated using the one calf machine at the local gym as
the cable runs directly in front of your face. And, unlike a pull down
unit, the calf machine's cable is REALLY up on your mug. If that thing
gave way, you'd - I'm guessing - be eating cable.

Otoh, I think it was MuscleMag International that had a blurb about a
guy splitting his face and skull open after an exercise ball he'd been
benching on either exploded or shifted. Forget which, but I know he
bit it hard on that exchange. So, yeah, machines or free weights:
PROCEED WITH CAUTION! ;o)

Guess that warning applies to life in general, though, eh?

Good workouts to all.

[...]

--
Curt