Caloric deficit

I am still reading that some people actually gain weight (muscle) while on a
caloric deficit diet.
I think thats nonsnse. It cant be done.

I have strong suspiciouns that these people only *think* their diet is
insuffient in calories.
But in reality its not.

How on Earth can you gain muscle when you consume, lets say, 300 Kcals below
maintainence ?!?!?!

You cant. And if you can, where do the proteins come from?

Does anyone agree with this?

--
Pete

In article <464c43c1$0$95655$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl>,
"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

> I am still reading that some people actually gain weight (muscle) while on a
> caloric deficit diet.
> I think thats nonsnse. It cant be done.

Yes it can.


>
> I have strong suspiciouns that these people only *think* their diet is
> insuffient in calories.
> But in reality its not.
>
> How on Earth can you gain muscle when you consume, lets say, 300 Kcals below
> maintainence ?!?!?!
>
> You cant. And if you can, where do the proteins come from?
>
> Does anyone agree with this?
>
> --
> Pete
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"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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>I am still reading that some people actually gain weight (muscle) while on
>a caloric deficit diet.
> I think thats nonsnse. It cant be done.
>
> I have strong suspiciouns that these people only *think* their diet is
> insuffient in calories.
> But in reality its not.
>
> How on Earth can you gain muscle when you consume, lets say, 300 Kcals
> below maintainence ?!?!?!
>
> You cant. And if you can, where do the proteins come from?
>
> Does anyone agree with this?
>
> --
> Pete
>

The protein comes from protein in the diet. My body weight went from 198 to
170. Do you mean to tell me that I was not in a caloric deficit? My strength
is up in all of my exercises and my lean body mass went up 12 lbs. As I
stated before, this is not easy to do, but it is possible. You are also not
figuring in muscle memory. Now that I am down to where I am comfortable body
fat wise, I am increasing my calories to gain more muscle.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

"Hard Bop Drums" <nospam@hardbopdrums.com> wrote in message
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> "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
> news:464c43c1$0$95655$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>I am still reading that some people actually gain weight (muscle) while on
>>a caloric deficit diet.
>> I think thats nonsnse. It cant be done.
>>
>> I have strong suspiciouns that these people only *think* their diet is
>> insuffient in calories.
>> But in reality its not.
>>
>> How on Earth can you gain muscle when you consume, lets say, 300 Kcals
>> below maintainence ?!?!?!
>>
>> You cant. And if you can, where do the proteins come from?
>>
>> Does anyone agree with this?
>>
>> --
>> Pete
>>
>
> The protein comes from protein in the diet. My body weight went from 198
> to 170. Do you mean to tell me that I was not in a caloric deficit? My
> strength is up in all of my exercises and my lean body mass went up 12
> lbs. As I stated before, this is not easy to do, but it is possible. You
> are also not figuring in muscle memory. Now that I am down to where I am
> comfortable body fat wise, I am increasing my calories to gain more
> muscle.
>
>
> --
> Robert Schuh
> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
> - Nietzsche
>
> http://www.hardbopdrums.com/
>

I just got back from my appointment with my kidney specialist. I am back up
to 180, so my caloric increase is working! :-)


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

In news:w833i.304191$115.281223@newsfe10.phx,
Hard Bop Drums <nospam@hardbopdrums.com> typed:
> "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
> news:464c43c1$0$95655$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>> I am still reading that some people actually gain weight (muscle)
>> while on a caloric deficit diet.
>> I think thats nonsnse. It cant be done.
>>
>> I have strong suspiciouns that these people only *think* their diet
>> is insuffient in calories.
>> But in reality its not.
>>
>> How on Earth can you gain muscle when you consume, lets say, 300
>> Kcals below maintainence ?!?!?!
>>
>> You cant. And if you can, where do the proteins come from?
>>
>> Does anyone agree with this?
>>
>> --
>> Pete
>>
>
> The protein comes from protein in the diet. My body weight went from
> 198 to 170.

Rob, what was your daily kcal intake? Did you have a refeed day?

> Do you mean to tell me that I was not in a caloric
> deficit? My strength is up in all of my exercises and my lean body
> mass went up 12 lbs. As I stated before, this is not easy to do, but
> it is possible. You are also not figuring in muscle memory. Now that
> I am down to where I am comfortable body fat wise, I am increasing my
> calories to gain more muscle.



--
Bully
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"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

"Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
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> In news:w833i.304191$115.281223@newsfe10.phx,
> Hard Bop Drums <nospam@hardbopdrums.com> typed:
>> "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
>> news:464c43c1$0$95655$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl...
>>> I am still reading that some people actually gain weight (muscle)
>>> while on a caloric deficit diet.
>>> I think thats nonsnse. It cant be done.
>>>
>>> I have strong suspiciouns that these people only *think* their diet
>>> is insuffient in calories.
>>> But in reality its not.
>>>
>>> How on Earth can you gain muscle when you consume, lets say, 300
>>> Kcals below maintainence ?!?!?!
>>>
>>> You cant. And if you can, where do the proteins come from?
>>>
>>> Does anyone agree with this?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Pete
>>>
>>
>> The protein comes from protein in the diet. My body weight went from
>> 198 to 170.
>
> Rob, what was your daily kcal intake? Did you have a refeed day?

To be honest, I never counted calories. I have been doing this for so long
that I can go by feel. I always make sure to take in good protein and carbs
at all of my meals. The last time I actually counted calories was getting
ready for the Mr. Phoenix back in 1988. After that, I basically just went
with how I felt and looked and made adjustments acordingly. For some reason,
I have always approached my own training and dieting less scientifically
than I did when I worked with other people.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/