Cardio and vommiting

I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need to
"heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and then
I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
that is in my stomach.
This is not an issue in the privacy of my own home, but it almost
happened today when my PT had me doing a cardio session for the first
time. I had to "rest" and focus on not dry heaving as that would be
embarrassing. I was unable to perform to the best of my current
ability (not even close) and that was a huge dissappointment for
me.

Here is what I ate about 45min before the session (the session is in
the early morning, about an hour after I wake up):

1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
orange juice (4 oz)
1/2 low carb pita bread

Would anything I consumed cause the reaction? Is there something
better that I should have in my stomach to fuel my cardio session?

I comsune water during the session. Should I try something like a
pepto-bismal or an acid-reducer?
I feel perfectly fine after I end the session (except for the
disappointment)

Does anyone have any suggestions to remedy this problem?
Thanks.
Dave

On Nov 13, 2:46 pm, dschuma...@gmail.com wrote:
> I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
> cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need to
> "heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and then
> I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
> that is in my stomach.
> This is not an issue in the privacy of my own home, but it almost
> happened today when my PT had me doing a cardio session for the first
> time. I had to "rest" and focus on not dry heaving as that would be
> embarrassing. I was unable to perform to the best of my current
> ability (not even close) and that was a huge dissappointment for
> me.
>
> Here is what I ate about 45min before the session (the session is in
> the early morning, about an hour after I wake up):
>
> 1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
> orange juice (4 oz)
> 1/2 low carb pita bread
>
> Would anything I consumed cause the reaction? Is there something
> better that I should have in my stomach to fuel my cardio session?
>
> I comsune water during the session. Should I try something like a
> pepto-bismal or an acid-reducer?
> I feel perfectly fine after I end the session (except for the
> disappointment)
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions to remedy this problem?
> Thanks.
> Dave



Dude, I can't imagine why you feel like heaving. Perhaps you're just
a newbie? Or maybe you're seriously obese? No, I'm not joking or
anything...I just can't imagine what's going on. Maybe you're like
one of them folks who get "seasick" from too much "motion"....

Yeah, that might be it: do you ever have "balance issues" otherwise?
I wonder. You really don't eat hardly anything, and you do that a
good time before working out.

Do check with a doctor. I would suspect some kind of "balance" thing,
as I said...it's not normal to want to heave on so little so long
after ingestion!

On Nov 13, 2:59 pm, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 2:46 pm, dschuma...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
> > cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need to
> > "heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and then
> > I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
> > that is in my stomach.
> > This is not an issue in the privacy of my own home, but it almost
> > happened today when my PT had me doing a cardio session for the first
> > time. I had to "rest" and focus on not dry heaving as that would be
> > embarrassing. I was unable to perform to the best of my current
> > ability (not even close) and that was a huge dissappointment for
> > me.
>
> > Here is what I ate about 45min before the session (the session is in
> > the early morning, about an hour after I wake up):
>
> > 1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
> > orange juice (4 oz)
> > 1/2 low carb pita bread
>
> > Would anything I consumed cause the reaction? Is there something
> > better that I should have in my stomach to fuel my cardio session?
>
> > I comsune water during the session. Should I try something like a
> > pepto-bismal or an acid-reducer?
> > I feel perfectly fine after I end the session (except for the
> > disappointment)
>
> > Does anyone have any suggestions to remedy this problem?
> > Thanks.
> > Dave
>
> Dude, I can't imagine why you feel like heaving. Perhaps you're just
> a newbie? Or maybe you're seriously obese? No, I'm not joking or
> anything...I just can't imagine what's going on. Maybe you're like
> one of them folks who get "seasick" from too much "motion"....
>
> Yeah, that might be it: do you ever have "balance issues" otherwise?
> I wonder. You really don't eat hardly anything, and you do that a
> good time before working out.
>
> Do check with a doctor. I would suspect some kind of "balance" thing,
> as I said...it's not normal to want to heave on so little so long
> after ingestion!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I'm overweight, but not obese, hence the cardio. (5'9 - 176lbs)
When I was doing only cardio on the treadmill, I could run 3.5 miles
in about 45 minutes without cramping. The difference was that this
was interval training and not cardio circuit training. Would that be
considered a "newbie"? I do not know.

I do not think I have a balance issue, or else I would be sick
everytime I exercised.
I thought it might be a combination of something I ate or did not eat
in combination with cardio training.
Do I need to eat more of something before starting the session?

On Nov 13, 12:50 pm, Dave Schumaker <dschuma...@gmail.com> wrote: I
sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
cramps which causes me to dry heave. <<

Hypovolemia .. ?

That will raise your blood cell count and cause hyperviscosity / low
flow blood .. again with exercise / hypovolemia compounding the low
flow blood therefore .. vomiting / nausea.

You may have increased red blood cell count and therefore any type of
exercise can lead to nausea / vomiting / gastrointestinal distress /
nausea, heartburn, gas.

The intensity of the exercise may be leading to the hypovolemia /
dehydration.


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Tom


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> On Nov 13, 2:59 pm, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 13, 2:46 pm, dschuma...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
> > > cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need to
> > > "heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and then
> > > I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
> > > that is in my stomach.
> > > This is not an issue in the privacy of my own home, but it almost
> > > happened today when my PT had me doing a cardio session for the first
> > > time. I had to "rest" and focus on not dry heaving as that would be
> > > embarrassing. I was unable to perform to the best of my current
> > > ability (not even close) and that was a huge dissappointment for
> > > me.
>
> > > Here is what I ate about 45min before the session (the session is in
> > > the early morning, about an hour after I wake up):
>
> > > 1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
> > > orange juice (4 oz)
> > > 1/2 low carb pita bread
>
> > > Would anything I consumed cause the reaction? Is there something
> > > better that I should have in my stomach to fuel my cardio session?
>
> > > I comsune water during the session. Should I try something like a
> > > pepto-bismal or an acid-reducer?
> > > I feel perfectly fine after I end the session (except for the
> > > disappointment)
>
> > > Does anyone have any suggestions to remedy this problem?
> > > Thanks.
> > > Dave
>
> > Dude, I can't imagine why you feel like heaving. Perhaps you're just
> > a newbie? Or maybe you're seriously obese? No, I'm not joking or
> > anything...I just can't imagine what's going on. Maybe you're like
> > one of them folks who get "seasick" from too much "motion"....
>
> > Yeah, that might be it: do you ever have "balance issues" otherwise?
> > I wonder. You really don't eat hardly anything, and you do that a
> > good time before working out.
>
> > Do check with a doctor. I would suspect some kind of "balance" thing,
> > as I said...it's not normal to want to heave on so little so long
> > after ingestion!- Hide quoted text -
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> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I'm overweight, but not obese, hence the cardio. (5'9 - 176lbs)
> When I was doing only cardio on the treadmill, I could run 3.5 miles
> in about 45 minutes without cramping. The difference was that this
> was interval training and not cardio circuit training. Would that be
> considered a "newbie"? I do not know.
>
> I do not think I have a balance issue, or else I would be sick
> everytime I exercised.
> I thought it might be a combination of something I ate or did not eat
> in combination with cardio training.
> Do I need to eat more of something before starting the session?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

On Nov 13, 3:50 pm, Dave Schumaker <dschuma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm overweight, but not obese, hence the cardio. (5'9 - 176lbs)

That's not really "overweight"...them height-weight charts were made
up for a specific purpose, did you know that? These two doctors back
in the '70s were heading into a conference and decided to organize
their research data in that way, as a short-hand kind of way of
looking at the population under study...they never meant for it to
become some kind of gold standard for good health or something like
that....

> When I was doing only cardio on the treadmill, I could run 3.5 miles
> in about 45 minutes without cramping. The difference was that this
> was interval training and not cardio circuit training. Would that be
> considered a "newbie"? I do not know.

I'm a "newbie" to this schtuff...whatsa difference 'tween interval and
circuit, exactly?

But I don't think that cardio in general is the issue....

> I do not think I have a balance issue, or else I would be sick
> everytime I exercised.
> I thought it might be a combination of something I ate or did not eat
> in combination with cardio training.
> Do I need to eat more of something before starting the session?

You should see a doctor. It can't simply be what you're eating or not
eating. Must be something more serious, or especially peculiar to
you. I mentioned the "balance" issue because I know of a few folks
who get "motion sickness"...maybe you have a very particular case of
it?? Like, maybe 'cause of the way the food sits in your stomach --
maybe being liquid, or not heavy enough (or too heavy???)....

One in hundred guys would throw up in Army BCT when wolfing down chow
and then having to run somewhere and do push-ups...but the vast
majority could hold it in. I'm not sure what the "physics" of all
that is, but I do know that your case is a bit unusual, though not
exactly unheard-of.

Again, do check with a doctor. Maybe you have a heart condition,
even...could be anything -- but one thing it isn't is normal.

Any runners or soldiers here have any ideas what could be the matter?

<dschumaker@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1194983184.389251.163360@v2g2000hsf.googlegro ups.com...
>I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
> cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need to
> "heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and then
> I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
> that is in my stomach.

Ask your doc.

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007, Dave Schumaker wrote:

> I'm overweight, but not obese, hence the cardio. (5'9 - 176lbs)

You're taller and lighter than me! I have a little bit of a belly, but
anyone who says i'm overweight is getting a punch. Of course, i weigh so
much because of my hyoooge monster muscles, naturally.

> When I was doing only cardio on the treadmill, I could run 3.5 miles in
> about 45 minutes without cramping. The difference was that this was
> interval training and not cardio circuit training.

This sounds normal to me. When you exercise really, really intensely, as
you do in intervals, you make lactic acid. For some reason, having lots of
that makes you feel sick. A friend of mine rowed pretty seriously at
university, and said it was standard for them to finish a session on the
ergs shaking or vomiting. In fact, her coach told her that if they weren't
doing both, they weren't working hard enough. I get nauseous cycling to
and from work some days - typically if i haven't eaten recently and am
charging up a hill at great speed. A second of heaving, and it passes.

The solution is to embrace it. Nausea means you're at the limit of what
you can do, which is right where you want to be!

tom

--
As far as I can tell it's a mixture of stream-of-consciousness writing,
random mathematical formulae, and half-crazed references to sex.

<dschumaker@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
> cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need to
> "heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and then
> I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
> that is in my stomach.
> This is not an issue in the privacy of my own home, but it almost
> happened today when my PT had me doing a cardio session for the first
> time. I had to "rest" and focus on not dry heaving as that would be
> embarrassing. I was unable to perform to the best of my current
> ability (not even close) and that was a huge dissappointment for
> me.
>
> Here is what I ate about 45min before the session (the session is in
> the early morning, about an hour after I wake up):
>
> 1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
> orange juice (4 oz)
> 1/2 low carb pita bread
>
> Would anything I consumed cause the reaction? Is there something
> better that I should have in my stomach to fuel my cardio session?
>
> I comsune water during the session. Should I try something like a
> pepto-bismal or an acid-reducer?
> I feel perfectly fine after I end the session (except for the
> disappointment)
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions to remedy this problem?
> Thanks.
> Dave

This isn't rocket science - many runners can't run on anything but an
empty stomach, and if they have anything other than water, it'll be
Gatorade or, at most, an energy gel packet. Just don't eat beforehand.
If I had what you had, I'd barf, too. I have to wait a good 6-8 hours
after eating before running. So, before your run I recommend

coffee, or water, or a sports drink, and maybe a small piece of dry
toast if you absolutely must have something solid.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

On 2007-11-13, dschumaker@gmail.com <dschumaker@gmail.com> wrote:
> I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
> cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need to
> "heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and then
> I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
> that is in my stomach.

You're pushing the lactic acid system very hard, which is not all that
useful for cardiovascular fitness.

For cardio, find an exercise that burns a lot of calories in little time,
without making you feel too sick. Running, spinning classes and elliptical
training are all pretty good for this.

Unless you're in some kind of competition, there's not much point going
all-out. Keep the aim of the workout in mind (are you trying to improve
your fitness ? Lose body fat ?), instead of trying to set an "effort record"
in each workout.

Cheers,
--
Elflord

"Dave Schumaker" <> I'm overweight, but not obese, hence the cardio. (5'9 -
176lbs)
The difference was that this was interval training and not cardio circuit
training. >

If it is not some other health issue, have you considered the gym itself?
Sometimes a gym can have some nasty odors or an unpleasant environment. It
could be other people that smell bad or are giving off some bad vibes. This
could give you some stress and contribute to the feeling of nausea.

Unless you do have some medical condition, you might want to check your
steps next time before you go to the gym and try and identify what might be
contributing to or sparking the nausea.

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote

>> I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
>> cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need to
>> "heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and then
>> I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
>> that is in my stomach.
>> This is not an issue in the privacy of my own home, but it almost
>> happened today when my PT had me doing a cardio session for the first
>> time. I had to "rest" and focus on not dry heaving as that would be
>> embarrassing. I was unable to perform to the best of my current
>> ability (not even close) and that was a huge dissappointment for
>> me.
>>
>> Here is what I ate about 45min before the session (the session is in
>> the early morning, about an hour after I wake up):
>>
>> 1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
>> orange juice (4 oz)
>> 1/2 low carb pita bread

1. What percent of max are you exercising at? I'll dry heave at the end of
an all out race at max heartrate. If you are getting up to near max
heartrate on your cardio workouts, that is not training, that's racing. If
you're working that hard on a typical workout, that's waaay too hard, and it
ain't much fun, either. Killing yourself at each workout does *not* give
you the best results for aerobic fitness.

2. Eat your pre-session mini-meal 2 hours before your intense sessions.
For a 5k race (100% max effort), I'll eat 2-300 calories 3 hours prior to
the race. The harder you're working, the further back you need to space
your eating.

My rule is 100 calories/hour prior to exercise, e.g., you can eat 200
calories 2 hours before the start, or 300 calories 3 hours before, etc. And
if I'm going to go real hard, I make sure I don't eat anything at all 2-3
hours prior to the session. Long enough to mostly digest what I ate so that
your body won't want to chuck it up. You want your blood going to your
muscles, not your digestive system.

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:34:08 +0000 (UTC), Elflord <abuse@aol.com>
wrote:

>On 2007-11-13, dschumaker@gmail.com <dschumaker@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
>> cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need to
>> "heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and then
>> I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
>> that is in my stomach.
>
>You're pushing the lactic acid system very hard, which is not all that
>useful for cardiovascular fitness.
>
>For cardio, find an exercise that burns a lot of calories in little time,
>without making you feel too sick. Running, spinning classes and elliptical
>training are all pretty good for this.
>
>Unless you're in some kind of competition, there's not much point going
>all-out. Keep the aim of the workout in mind (are you trying to improve
>your fitness ? Lose body fat ?), instead of trying to set an "effort record"
>in each workout.
>

Good advice Donovan! ;o)

On Nov 14, 4:15 am, Charles <j...@msn.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 03:34:08 +0000 (UTC), Elflord <ab...@aol.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> >On 2007-11-13, dschuma...@gmail.com <dschuma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
> >> cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need to
> >> "heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and then
> >> I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
> >> that is in my stomach.
>
> >You're pushing the lactic acid system very hard, which is not all that
> >useful for cardiovascular fitness.
>
> >For cardio, find an exercise that burns a lot of calories in little time,
> >without making you feel too sick. Running, spinning classes and elliptical
> >training are all pretty good for this.
>
> >Unless you're in some kind of competition, there's not much point going
> >all-out. Keep the aim of the workout in mind (are you trying to improve
> >your fitness ? Lose body fat ?), instead of trying to set an "effort record"
> >in each workout.
>
> Good advice Donovan! ;o)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ok, Day 1 of attempting to resolve this issue:

Here is what I consumed:
1/2 scoop whey protein
4 oz orange juice
south beach high protein cereal bar
plenty of water
Mylanta (this was a new addition)
this was done about 1 hr. before starting.

10 mintues into my workout, the heart was going, and I was not
overextending myself.
I had to stop, dry heave once (no ejection as usual). I immeadiately
felt better and continued with the cardio circuit training. I felt
ok, so I pushed myself even harder than the previous day and I had no
further dry heaving.

Someone said it could be a lack of potassuim and suggested I go back
to eating more banannas. When I used to do this, I don't ever recall
having issues with dry heaving. I think I might try this tomorrow
with the same routine.
Anyone have any thoughts on this?

Oh BTW, I am attempting to shed body fat and build some muscle. I'm
currently @ 17% body fat and it isn't pretty. I'm following the
Weight Watchers plan for my diet.

Dave

On Nov 14, 10:12 am, Dave Schumaker <dschuma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ok, Day 1 of attempting to resolve this issue:
>
> Here is what I consumed:
> 1/2 scoop whey protein
> 4 oz orange juice
> south beach high protein cereal bar
> plenty of water
> Mylanta (this was a new addition)
> this was done about 1 hr. before starting.

Dude, why consume anything, even? In Army PT, you work out for an
hour doing calisthenics and cardio before even getting to within ten
minutes of breakfast...I think you might just limit yourself to the
protein shake and juice. Unless you have other physical conditions,
like being a natural weakling (no shame in that, BTW; we all have
different strengths and weaknesses), you should be all right with just
a bit of a protein shake and (real) fruit juice.

> 10 mintues into my workout, the heart was going, and I was not
> overextending myself.
> I had to stop, dry heave once (no ejection as usual). I immeadiately
> felt better and continued with the cardio circuit training. I felt
> ok, so I pushed myself even harder than the previous day and I had no
> further dry heaving.

Maybe your body is finally adapting to it all??

> Someone said it could be a lack of potassuim and suggested I go back
> to eating more banannas. When I used to do this, I don't ever recall
> having issues with dry heaving. I think I might try this tomorrow
> with the same routine.
> Anyone have any thoughts on this?

I guess you're one of those folks who are particularly sensitive to
vitamin and mineral deficiencies...try it and do report back. I'm
also very curious what might be the matter.

> Oh BTW, I am attempting to shed body fat and build some muscle. I'm
> currently @ 17% body fat and it isn't pretty. I'm following the
> Weight Watchers plan for my diet.

It's not simply body fat percentages but also "fat distribution,"
which affects how the fat looks on you. I'm at anywhere between
15-20% bodyfat (http://taipei.craigslist.com.tw/rnr/461503435.html)
but most people are shocked as hell to hear that I'm 240 pounds at
only 5'11"....

> Dave

On Nov 14, 11:37 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Nov 14, 10:12 am, Dave Schumaker <dschuma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Ok, Day 1 of attempting to resolve this issue:
>
> > Here is what I consumed:
> > 1/2 scoop whey protein
> > 4 oz orange juice
> > south beach high protein cereal bar
> > plenty of water
> > Mylanta (this was a new addition)
> > this was done about 1 hr. before starting.
>
> Dude, why consume anything, even? In Army PT, you work out for an
> hour doing calisthenics and cardio before even getting to within ten
> minutes of breakfast...I think you might just limit yourself to the
> protein shake and juice. Unless you have other physical conditions,
> like being a natural weakling (no shame in that, BTW; we all have
> different strengths and weaknesses), you should be all right with just
> a bit of a protein shake and (real) fruit juice.
>
> > 10 mintues into my workout, the heart was going, and I was not
> > overextending myself.
> > I had to stop, dry heave once (no ejection as usual). I immeadiately
> > felt better and continued with the cardio circuit training. I felt
> > ok, so I pushed myself even harder than the previous day and I had no
> > further dry heaving.
>
> Maybe your body is finally adapting to it all??
>
> > Someone said it could be a lack of potassuim and suggested I go back
> > to eating more banannas. When I used to do this, I don't ever recall
> > having issues with dry heaving. I think I might try this tomorrow
> > with the same routine.
> > Anyone have any thoughts on this?
>
> I guess you're one of those folks who are particularly sensitive to
> vitamin and mineral deficiencies...try it and do report back. I'm
> also very curious what might be the matter.
>
> > Oh BTW, I am attempting to shed body fat and build some muscle. I'm
> > currently @ 17% body fat and it isn't pretty. I'm following the
> > Weight Watchers plan for my diet.
>
> It's not simply body fat percentages but also "fat distribution,"
> which affects how the fat looks on you. I'm at anywhere between
> 15-20% bodyfat (http://taipei.craigslist.com.tw/rnr/461503435.html)
> but most people are shocked as hell to hear that I'm 240 pounds at
> only 5'11"....
>
>
>
> > Dave- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Ok let me straighten this out, you are ALL wrong. I get this every
spring, for the first few weeks to a month when I'm getting back into
shape. It's my lungs expanding for the first time in a few months, and
somehow or way phlem gets stuck in my throat, and I get dry heaves.
It's a breathing/throat issue. For me it comes on at between 30 and 45
minutes, and once I dry heave it goes away immediately. Later in the
season I can just cough up the phlem because my lungs have opened
enough.
P.S. To the guy whose 5'11" and 240? You are a PORKER, FATSS, BLIMP.
I'm 5'11" or so and at 190 I am BORDERLINE fat, so you are defeniately
a oinker.

On Nov 14, 12:52 pm, TBRallamericanh...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> Ok let me straighten this out, you are ALL wrong. I get this every
> spring, for the first few weeks to a month when I'm getting back into
> shape. It's my lungs expanding for the first time in a few months, and
> somehow or way phlem gets stuck in my throat, and I get dry heaves.
> It's a breathing/throat issue. For me it comes on at between 30 and 45
> minutes, and once I dry heave it goes away immediately. Later in the
> season I can just cough up the phlem because my lungs have opened
> enough.

Yeah, well, it's allergies, then. Usually genetic.

Or, like I said, particular to the individual.

> P.S. To the guy whose 5'11" and 240? You are a PORKER, FATSS, BLIMP.
> I'm 5'11" or so and at 190 I am BORDERLINE fat, so you are defeniately
> a oinker.

My point was that labels don't matter -- which is why a picture is
worth a thousand labels (words)! Hence my photos...obviously, I look
great no matter what the numbers (labels) are!

> 1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
> orange juice (4 oz)
> 1/2 low carb pita bread
> [...]
> ...cardio session...

Educated guess: carbohydrate poisoning.

Leave the bread and juice to people who run, cycle, or swim. Those
who "perform cardio sessions" (as well as those who "don't do cardio")
fare better with chicken wings, bunless burgers, pistachios, and most
powders sold in buckets.

Raw eggs used to be good too, back when men were men.

On Nov 14, 2:08 pm, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Yeah, well, it's allergies, then. Usually genetic.
>
> Or, like I said, particular to the individual.
>

Well I never said that my issue was the only cause.

> My point was that labels don't matter --

Well sure labels matter. Put one on your back that says "Hi" and go
for a walk in a crowd, then you put on one that says "kick me, i'm an
arsehole" and go for a walk. I can guarantee you that you'll
understand why labels DO matter.

>which is why a picture is
> worth a thousand labels (words)!

I agree. But I'm a god at 190, so if you are 50lbs heavier you cannot
be. My pics are no longer up due to an "incident" with a nameless
(Knebel) individual. Butt I'm sure he has one of my arse from when I
cyber-mooned him, and if it isn't stuck together by now, he might run
you a copy.

>Hence my photos...obviously, I look
> great no matter what the numbers (labels) are!

1) Never seen 'em. 2) Hope to never see them. 3) No I will not send
you my nudie pics, which you are strongly hinting at.

On Nov 14, 3:06 pm, TBRallamericanh...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>
> Well I never said that my issue was the only cause.

What part of your sentence "let me straighten this out, you are all
wrong" didn't you understand?

> Well sure labels matter. Put one on your back that says "Hi" and go
> for a walk in a crowd, then you put on one that says "kick me, i'm an
> arsehole" and go for a walk. I can guarantee you that you'll
> understand why labels DO matter.

Oh sure, they matter to morons. I'm sorry, I thought that went
without saying.

> I agree. But I'm a god at 190, so if you are 50lbs heavier you cannot
> be. My pics are no longer up due to an "incident" with a nameless
> (Knebel) individual. Butt I'm sure he has one of my arse from when I
> cyber-mooned him, and if it isn't stuck together by now, he might run
> you a copy.

Hey, buddy, we all have problems.

> 1) Never seen 'em. 2) Hope to never see them. 3) No I will not send
> you my nudie pics, which you are strongly hinting at.

You are one crazy gaylord, even for usenet.

dschumaker@gmail.com wrote:
> I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
> cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need to
> "heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and then
> I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
> that is in my stomach.
> This is not an issue in the privacy of my own home, but it almost
> happened today when my PT had me doing a cardio session for the first
> time. I had to "rest" and focus on not dry heaving as that would be
> embarrassing. I was unable to perform to the best of my current
> ability (not even close) and that was a huge dissappointment for
> me.
>
> Here is what I ate about 45min before the session (the session is in
> the early morning, about an hour after I wake up):
>
> 1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
> orange juice (4 oz)
> 1/2 low carb pita bread
>
> Would anything I consumed cause the reaction? Is there something
> better that I should have in my stomach to fuel my cardio session?
>
> I comsune water during the session. Should I try something like a
> pepto-bismal or an acid-reducer?
> I feel perfectly fine after I end the session (except for the
> disappointment)
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions to remedy this problem?
> Thanks.
> Dave
>
>
hey no eating at least 2 hours before cardio and dont dringk at
least 20 min before and during just small sips but it depends
what kind of cardio this is for running for like statiopnary
bike or bicycling its not a big problem running is worst case in
running stomac contents is moving all the time

On Nov 14, 3:46 pm, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What part of your sentence "let me straighten this out, you are all
> wrong" didn't you understand?
>


That's my way of saying "you;re right".

> Oh sure, they matter to morons. I'm sorry, I thought that went
> without saying.
>

So only morons would kick you or say hi?


> Hey, buddy, we all have problems.
>

Some more than others.

> You are one crazy gaylord, even for usenet.

LMFAO!

On Nov 14, 4:49 pm, TBRallamericanh...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Nov 14, 3:46 pm, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > What part of your sentence "let me straighten this out, you are all
> > wrong" didn't you understand?
>
> That's my way of saying "you;re right".
>
> > Oh sure, they matter to morons. I'm sorry, I thought that went
> > without saying.
>
> So only morons would kick you or say hi?
>
> > Hey, buddy, we all have problems.
>
> Some more than others.
>
> > You are one crazy gaylord, even for usenet.
>
> LMFAO!

Wow, some of the responses I am reading are unrelated and
unproductive.
Let's focus on the subject at hand please.
I am getting alot of different responses, so I will instead continue
my experiments and post my results for anyone interesting in the
subject of the post.

Dave

"lars" <lars.k1@telia.com> wrote in message
news:QEJ_i.360$R_4.239@newsb.telia.net...
> dschumaker@gmail.com wrote:
>> I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
>> cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need
>> to
>> "heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and
>> then
>> I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
>> that is in my stomach.
>> This is not an issue in the privacy of my own home, but it almost
>> happened today when my PT had me doing a cardio session for the first
>> time. I had to "rest" and focus on not dry heaving as that would be
>> embarrassing. I was unable to perform to the best of my current
>> ability (not even close) and that was a huge dissappointment for
>> me.
>>
>> Here is what I ate about 45min before the session (the session is in
>> the early morning, about an hour after I wake up):
>>
>> 1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
>> orange juice (4 oz)
>> 1/2 low carb pita bread
>>
>> Would anything I consumed cause the reaction? Is there something
>> better that I should have in my stomach to fuel my cardio session?
>>
>> I comsune water during the session. Should I try something like a
>> pepto-bismal or an acid-reducer?
>> I feel perfectly fine after I end the session (except for the
>> disappointment)
>>
>> Does anyone have any suggestions to remedy this problem?
>> Thanks.
>> Dave
>>
>>
> hey no eating at least 2 hours before cardio and dont dringk
> at least 20 min before and during just small sips but it
> depends what kind of cardio this is for running for like
> statiopnary bike or bicycling its not a big problem running is
> worst case in running stomac contents is moving all the time

Hey, that's what I said, too, except no one's listening. I can't run
with food in my stomach - no way, no how. Seems kinda silly to me to
even try. If the cardio is in the morning, just have a nice dinner the
night before then eat afterwards. Have a cup of coffee in the morning.
I also agree that it's not nearly as big a problem on a bike because
you're not bouncing around nearly as much. Why anyone would have a
protein drink before cardio is really beyond me. If you absolutely must
have protein, go with Endurox Accelerade or similar, where the
protein/carb ratio is figured out for you.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

On Nov 15, 9:07 am, "Steve Freides" <st...@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> "lars" <lars...@telia.com> wrote in message
>
> news:QEJ_i.360$R_4.239@newsb.telia.net...
>
>
>
>
>
> > dschuma...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
> >> cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need
> >> to
> >> "heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and
> >> then
> >> I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
> >> that is in my stomach.
> >> This is not an issue in the privacy of my own home, but it almost
> >> happened today when my PT had me doing a cardio session for the first
> >> time. I had to "rest" and focus on not dry heaving as that would be
> >> embarrassing. I was unable to perform to the best of my current
> >> ability (not even close) and that was a huge dissappointment for
> >> me.
>
> >> Here is what I ate about 45min before the session (the session is in
> >> the early morning, about an hour after I wake up):
>
> >> 1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
> >> orange juice (4 oz)
> >> 1/2 low carb pita bread
>
> >> Would anything I consumed cause the reaction? Is there something
> >> better that I should have in my stomach to fuel my cardio session?
>
> >> I comsune water during the session. Should I try something like a
> >> pepto-bismal or an acid-reducer?
> >> I feel perfectly fine after I end the session (except for the
> >> disappointment)
>
> >> Does anyone have any suggestions to remedy this problem?
> >> Thanks.
> >> Dave
>
> > hey no eating at least 2 hours before cardio and dont dringk
> > at least 20 min before and during just small sips but it
> > depends what kind of cardio this is for running for like
> > statiopnary bike or bicycling its not a big problem running is
> > worst case in running stomac contents is moving all the time
>
> Hey, that's what I said, too, except no one's listening. I can't run
> with food in my stomach - no way, no how. Seems kinda silly to me to
> even try. If the cardio is in the morning, just have a nice dinner the
> night before then eat afterwards. Have a cup of coffee in the morning.
> I also agree that it's not nearly as big a problem on a bike because
> you're not bouncing around nearly as much. Why anyone would have a
> protein drink before cardio is really beyond me. If you absolutely must
> have protein, go with Endurox Accelerade or similar, where the
> protein/carb ratio is figured out for you.
>
> -S-http://www.kbnj.com- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Here are my results from today:

consumed:

caffiene (200mg pill)
1/2 banana
1oz apricot nectar (to swallow the pill)
1/2 scoop whey protein in water
2 acid reducer tablets

My stomach felt somewhat sour before I started (I woke up that way).
However, I think it may be the whey protein that is causing the
cramping.
I did not cramp today, but I was almost there.
Tomorrow, I will skip the why protein beforehand and go with the
banana.
In the past, bananas have never been a problem.

My PT suggests eating a small amount before exercising so as to fuel
the workout.

Dave

On Nov 14, 6:05 pm, Dave Schumaker <dschuma...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Wow, some of the responses I am reading are unrelated and
> unproductive.
> Let's focus on the subject at hand please.
> I am getting alot of different responses, so I will instead continue
> my experiments and post my results for anyone interesting in the
> subject of the post.
>
> Dave


Ultimately, there's only so much anyone knows about the human body.
Yes, doctors don't really know as much as they don't know...and what
they know usually involves live-or-death kind of situations, not
something like my mysterious tennis elbow or your mysterious
nausea...chances are, your body will adapt to whatever the issue is
and you'll be all right, in the long run.

But do post updates. There could be someone like you who will benefit
from hearing all about it.

"Dave Schumaker" <dschumaker@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:8c5bfa28-8dde-4a93-83d2-753a3e28c83b@41g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 15, 9:07 am, "Steve Freides" <st...@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>> "lars" <lars...@telia.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:QEJ_i.360$R_4.239@newsb.telia.net...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > dschuma...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session,
>> >> stomach
>> >> cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only
>> >> need
>> >> to
>> >> "heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and
>> >> then
>> >> I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release
>> >> anything
>> >> that is in my stomach.
>> >> This is not an issue in the privacy of my own home, but it almost
>> >> happened today when my PT had me doing a cardio session for the
>> >> first
>> >> time. I had to "rest" and focus on not dry heaving as that would
>> >> be
>> >> embarrassing. I was unable to perform to the best of my current
>> >> ability (not even close) and that was a huge dissappointment for
>> >> me.
>>
>> >> Here is what I ate about 45min before the session (the session is
>> >> in
>> >> the early morning, about an hour after I wake up):
>>
>> >> 1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
>> >> orange juice (4 oz)
>> >> 1/2 low carb pita bread
>>
>> >> Would anything I consumed cause the reaction? Is there something
>> >> better that I should have in my stomach to fuel my cardio session?
>>
>> >> I comsune water during the session. Should I try something like a
>> >> pepto-bismal or an acid-reducer?
>> >> I feel perfectly fine after I end the session (except for the
>> >> disappointment)
>>
>> >> Does anyone have any suggestions to remedy this problem?
>> >> Thanks.
>> >> Dave
>>
>> > hey no eating at least 2 hours before cardio and dont
>> > dringk
>> > at least 20 min before and during just small sips but it
>> > depends what kind of cardio this is for running for like
>> > statiopnary bike or bicycling its not a big problem running is
>> > worst case in running stomac contents is moving all the time
>>
>> Hey, that's what I said, too, except no one's listening. I can't run
>> with food in my stomach - no way, no how. Seems kinda silly to me to
>> even try. If the cardio is in the morning, just have a nice dinner
>> the
>> night before then eat afterwards. Have a cup of coffee in the
>> morning.
>> I also agree that it's not nearly as big a problem on a bike because
>> you're not bouncing around nearly as much. Why anyone would have a
>> protein drink before cardio is really beyond me. If you absolutely
>> must
>> have protein, go with Endurox Accelerade or similar, where the
>> protein/carb ratio is figured out for you.
>>
>> -S-http://www.kbnj.com- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> Here are my results from today:
>
> consumed:
>
> caffiene (200mg pill)
> 1/2 banana
> 1oz apricot nectar (to swallow the pill)
> 1/2 scoop whey protein in water
> 2 acid reducer tablets
>
> My stomach felt somewhat sour before I started (I woke up that way).
> However, I think it may be the whey protein that is causing the
> cramping.
> I did not cramp today, but I was almost there.
> Tomorrow, I will skip the why protein beforehand and go with the
> banana.
> In the past, bananas have never been a problem.
>
> My PT suggests eating a small amount before exercising so as to fuel
> the workout.

Your PT does not know what he/she is talking about. I don't know how
much you're running, but I think most experienced runners would tell you
that a run of up to about an hour needs _zero_ food in you the morning
of. I know I've run a half-marathon without breakfast and done just
fine. I don't know why you're trying to reinvent the wheel here -
people don't run well with food in their stomachs, and those who eat
before running try to manage both the food choices and the timing so
that food has at least moved out of the stomach before beginning. Add
to that the fact that people's running styles vary greatly - some are
much smoother runners than others, and the bouncy people will probably
have the most problems eating beforehand, at least that's my
not-so-educated guesstimate.

At the very least, get rid of _any_ protein, whey, etc., and be sure not
to take any fats, either. You might be able to get by with 1/2 banana
before because that should be digested pretty quickly. Take your pill
with water, and do all this as far before the running as you can. The
very things that make you feel full are the things that will be most
likely to cause stomach distress while you're running.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

On Nov 13, 3:50 pm, Dave Schumaker <dschuma...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 13, 2:59 pm, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 13, 2:46 pm, dschuma...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > I sometimes have a problem in the middle of a cardio session, stomach
> > > cramps which causes me to dry heave. Most of the time, I only need to
> > > "heave" or constrict the muscles in this action once or twice and then
> > > I am ok to resume the cardio session. I rarely ever release anything
> > > that is in my stomach.
> > > This is not an issue in the privacy of my own home, but it almost
> > > happened today when my PT had me doing a cardio session for the first
> > > time. I had to "rest" and focus on not dry heaving as that would be
> > > embarrassing. I was unable to perform to the best of my current
> > > ability (not even close) and that was a huge dissappointment for
> > > me.
>
> > > Here is what I ate about 45min before the session (the session is in
> > > the early morning, about an hour after I wake up):
>
> > > 1/2 scoop whey protein mixed in water
> > > orange juice (4 oz)
> > > 1/2 low carb pita bread
>
> > > Would anything I consumed cause the reaction? Is there something
> > > better that I should have in my stomach to fuel my cardio session?
>
> > > I comsune water during the session. Should I try something like a
> > > pepto-bismal or an acid-reducer?
> > > I feel perfectly fine after I end the session (except for the
> > > disappointment)
>
> > > Does anyone have any suggestions to remedy this problem?
> > > Thanks.
> > > Dave
>
> > Dude, I can't imagine why you feel like heaving. Perhaps you're just
> > a newbie? Or maybe you're seriously obese? No, I'm not joking or
> > anything...I just can't imagine what's going on. Maybe you're like
> > one of them folks who get "seasick" from too much "motion"....
>
> > Yeah, that might be it: do you ever have "balance issues" otherwise?
> > I wonder. You really don't eat hardly anything, and you do that a
> > good time before working out.
>
> > Do check with a doctor. I would suspect some kind of "balance" thing,
> > as I said...it's not normal to want to heave on so little so long
> > after ingestion!- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I'm overweight, but not obese, hence the cardio. (5'9 - 176lbs)
> When I was doing only cardio on the treadmill, I could run 3.5 miles
> in about 45 minutes without cramping. The difference was that this
> was interval training and not cardio circuit training. Would that be
> considered a "newbie"? I do not know.
>
> I do not think I have a balance issue, or else I would be sick
> everytime I exercised.
> I thought it might be a combination of something I ate or did not eat
> in combination with cardio training.
> Do I need to eat more of something before starting the session?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Dave, there is a good website for cardio and weightlifting: cbass.com
Clarence Bass is a weight lifter, has written books and either he or
someone at his website will answer questions you send to him. You
will probably enjoy reading all the stuff on his website. I hope you
reply on this site that you read this so I will at least know you got
this information. Good luck

Dolores