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05-31-2008, 01:36 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"MU" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message news:g1pmbl$k7n$1@aioe.org...
> On Fri, 30 May 2008 12:35:28 +0800, Burr wrote:
>
>>> I watched Bob Pastorio ruin his life on Usenet and in his real life. I
>>> warned him, Andrew warned him, we told him he was killing himself, no
>>> avail.
>>>
>>> You, Sir, have been warned more times than Pastorio. You're beyond help,
>>> as he was.
>>>
>>> I am hopeful that those who come along when you croak will learn, from
>>> you, and this dialogue, what you did not. That, Sir, is love and IMO the
>>> true meaning of Christianitiy. Speaking the blunt Truth.
>>>
>>> Mu
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Mu,
>> You talking about Bob the cook?
>
> None other.
I'll be damned, small world.
Burr | 
05-31-2008, 01:36 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"MU" <>
> So do us a favor, don't drop dead here like Pastorio did. It took me at
> least 24 hours to completely and totally honor his living with the Truth
> of who he was.
>
> Like you, a nothing.
Wait a minute, Bob didn't drop dead, he was in bed for three months and then
passed. I talked (emailed) with his wife weekly.
Burr | 
05-31-2008, 01:36 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? On Fri, 30 May 2008 14:07:02 -0700, Zen Cohen wrote:
> "MU" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message ....
> it if it weren't so ridiculously obvious from your
>> wretched spelling and grammar that it's really just you.
> ....>
>> Then go by a dictionary.
>>
>
> It never fails that when someone has to resort to a spelling/grammar flame
> their flame invariably includes at least one spelling or grammar error. You
> are such an entertaining dumbshit, moo. Keep on posting, my little bitch.
Sure, keep placing your ass on my pedestal. I'll be happy to expose you
for the cry babying, two-faced little wanker you are.
You know I bet your friends and family hate to see you coming. And I
know they run in the other direction every time you show saying here
comes that damn big mouth *clown*"Zen" and he going to run his
*righteous big mouth* about something -- LETS GO! I know they do it Zen
you whiny little snotnose.
Have a another crap, cardiologically tricky day! | 
05-31-2008, 01:36 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? On Fri, 30 May 2008 02:04:39 -0700 (PDT), Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>>>> I had to take a treadmill stress test yesterday because I had minor
>>>> right-side chest pain a couple weeks after a 40% spontaneous pneumothorax
>>>> in my right lung. I suspect the test was overkill but I wasn't going to
>>>> defy my doc's advice.
>>>
>>> Oh, of course you won't. Now here you are, scared shitless, on Usenet,
>>> which has been your consistent playground to abuse. Posting to the
>>> worthless misc.x groups and hoping that a cardiologist will come along in
>>> SMC to calm your potentially dying heart and soul.
>>>
>>> Excuse me if I smile at your vulnerabilities.
>>
>> Sure, go ahead. I'd expect nothing less from a pathetic loser like you than
>> to conjure up imaginary vulnerabilities in a person so clearly his superior.
>
> Actually, as it is written, you are the loser along with all others
> who have also unwisely blasphemed against the Holy Spirit:
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/sci.m...42d0b12cc04f1?
That ought to do it, Andrew.
It is fun to see, in a pathetic way for sure, to see ole "Zen" come
arunning to SCM looking for help when it has been his sole intention to
try to dismantle the authenticity of this place for ages now.
I mean, the sheer stupidity of his efforts to seek help underlie his,
er, sheer stupidity and futility. It's fun to watch like palm rats. A
palm rat will take the same trail every day for food until there is no
more; when he all of a sudden needs food, and the trail that he has
overrun is dry, on that trail, he will go again and again and again
until, finally, he croaks.
Why?
Because he's stupid.
And futile. And knows nothing else. | 
05-31-2008, 01:36 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"MU"
>>
>> Wait a minute, Bob didn't drop dead, he was in bed for three months and
>> then
>> passed. I talked (emailed) with his wife weekly.
>>
>> Burr
>
> "Drop dead" didn't mean instantaneously, yes, you are correct, and
> during that time, he continued to dig his upcoming grave deeper and
> deeper, in a spiritual sense. It was a pathetic spectacle to watch.
I was very surprised with the way he did things and his attitude.
Burr | 
05-31-2008, 01:36 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"MU" <moo@moo.com> wrote in message news:g1q03t$qcf$1@aioe.org...
> On Sat, 31 May 2008 06:32:13 +0800, Burr wrote:
>
>> "MU" <>
>>> So do us a favor, don't drop dead here like Pastorio did. It took me at
>>> least 24 hours to completely and totally honor his living with the Truth
>>> of who he was.
>>>
>>> Like you, a nothing.
>>
>> Wait a minute, Bob didn't drop dead, he was in bed for three months and
>> then
>> passed. I talked (emailed) with his wife weekly.
>>
>> Burr
>
> "Drop dead" didn't mean instantaneously, yes, you are correct, and
> during that time, he continued to dig his upcoming grave deeper and
> deeper, in a spiritual sense. It was a pathetic spectacle to watch.
Sorry, bub. He died with dignity. You OTOH hide behind the skirts of some
bizarre notion of god and will die the coward that you are and always have
been. | 
05-31-2008, 01:36 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Somewhat Useful Feedroos" <johnmartinesq@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:g1q004$pjo$1@aioe.org...
> On Fri, 30 May 2008 14:16:00 -0700, Zen Cohen wrote:
>
>> "Somewhat Useful Feedroos" <johnmartinesq@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:g1pnrv$qip$1@aioe.org...
>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:12:42 -0400, MU wrote:
>>>
>> ....
>>>> So do us a favor, don't drop dead here like Pastorio did. It took me at
>>>> least 24 hours to completely and totally honor his living with the
>>>> Truth
>>>> of who he was.
>>>>
>>>> Like you, a nothing.
>>
>> We all gotta go sometime and I'd much prefer Bob's life and fate than
>> yours -- that of a delusional and hateful loser whose greatest
>> accomplishment in life is the tragic and premature death of a man far
>> better
>> than him. If there's anything for certain it's that you'll die alone and
>> no
>> one will give a shit.
>>
>>>
>>> wow, and I thought I was a bad ass. Mu rocks.
>>
>> Mu definitely rocks to mental defectives who think an idiot babbling like
>> a
>> hysterical bag lady is a badass.
>
> Naw, he *thoroughly KYA*
That's what any bitch of moo's whose nose was firmly shoved up his ass would
think. It's kinda cute how sweet you are on your boy. | 
05-31-2008, 01:36 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Burr" <pitzradio@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news  MSdnTqWPo2HF93VnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@earthlink.co m...
> I was very surprised with the way he did things and his attitude.
Yup - me too.. :-> http://tinyurl.com/5bqvvs | 
05-31-2008, 01:36 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Cohen schrieb:
>
> He's not a guarantor of my health; he just has to act prudently. I had
> already signed a pretty comprehensive informed consent document, and his
> warning me of any additional risk, with my knowing acceptance of it would
> seemingly negate any malpractice. Seems that if I'm telling him I'm
> regularly exceeding those maximums and he fails to test me under those
> conditions when he had the opportunity to do so under medical
> supervisiocould expose him to liability more than actually testing me with
> informed consent.
Didn't he tell you to stop exercising under those conditions? I don't
think it would be his liability if something bad happened to you because
you didn't follow his advice.
Thorsten | 
05-31-2008, 06:11 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Burr" <pitzradio@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news  MSdnTqWPo2HF93VnZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@earthlink.co m...
>
> "MU"
>>>
>>> Wait a minute, Bob didn't drop dead, he was in bed for three months and
>>> then
>>> passed. I talked (emailed) with his wife weekly.
>>>
>>> Burr
>>
>> "Drop dead" didn't mean instantaneously, yes, you are correct, and
>> during that time, he continued to dig his upcoming grave deeper and
>> deeper, in a spiritual sense. It was a pathetic spectacle to watch.
>
> I was very surprised with the way he did things and his attitude.
Burr do you know who this piece of shit Mu is? He subscribes to a
hate-filled version of christianity and gloats at every opportunity over
Bob's death, as if he or his sick idea of god had something to do with it. I
don't know if he really believes the crazy shit he spouts or is a troll but
either way he's a worthless lowlife. | 
05-31-2008, 06:11 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Thorsten Schier" <usenet@naturfoto-hamburg.de> wrote in message
news:g1q5gt$o1e$03$1@news.t-online.com...
> Zen Cohen schrieb:
>
>>
>> He's not a guarantor of my health; he just has to act prudently. I had
>> already signed a pretty comprehensive informed consent document, and his
>> warning me of any additional risk, with my knowing acceptance of it would
>> seemingly negate any malpractice. Seems that if I'm telling him I'm
>> regularly exceeding those maximums and he fails to test me under those
>> conditions when he had the opportunity to do so under medical
>> supervisiocould expose him to liability more than actually testing me
>> with informed consent.
>
> Didn't he tell you to stop exercising under those conditions? I don't
> think it would be his liability if something bad happened to you because
> you didn't follow his advice.
Right, he wouldn't. | 
05-31-2008, 06:11 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? "MU" <danmc51@gmail.com> wrote in message
....
> I do having trained athletes for years ...
Given that you're clearly a fat, stupid loser, I take it by "trained" you
mean you collected their jockstraps, did their laundry, handed them towels,
etc., right? | 
05-31-2008, 06:11 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Jason Earl" <jearl@xmission.com> wrote in message
....
>
> How old is your doctor? Maybe the real answer is that your doctor
> didn't want to see you beat his own time on the stress test so badly .
>
He was younger than me but a bit pudgy. I don't think he'd last very long on
the treadmill.
> What's more likely, though, is that your doctor just doesn't care.
> Somewhere along the lines he lowered his goals from keeping people
> active and healthy to merely keeping people alive.
>
> I suppose that's probably a pragmatic position for a cardiologist to
> take, but it certainly doesn't sound very *fun*. If you are going to
> take a stress test, you might as well see how well the ticker holds up
> when you open things up all of the way.
Maybe so. Since almost all of his patients' needs are satisfied by sticking
to outdated approximations | 
05-31-2008, 06:11 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Cohen formulated the question :
> "MU" <danmc51@gmail.com> wrote in message
> ...
>> I do having trained athletes for years ...
> Given that you're clearly a fat, stupid loser, I take it by "trained" you
> mean you collected their jockstraps, did their laundry, handed them towels,
> etc., right?
Nope, I hired Zens for that. Need work? lol | 
05-31-2008, 06:11 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Cohen brought next idea :
> "Thorsten Schier" <usenet@naturfoto-hamburg.de> wrote in message
> news:g1q5gt$o1e$03$1@news.t-online.com...
>> Zen Cohen schrieb:
>>
>>>
>>> He's not a guarantor of my health; he just has to act prudently. I had
>>> already signed a pretty comprehensive informed consent document, and his
>>> warning me of any additional risk, with my knowing acceptance of it would
>>> seemingly negate any malpractice. Seems that if I'm telling him I'm
>>> regularly exceeding those maximums and he fails to test me under those
>>> conditions when he had the opportunity to do so under medical
>>> supervisiocould expose him to liability more than actually testing me with
>>> informed consent.
>>
>> Didn't he tell you to stop exercising under those conditions? I don't think
>> it would be his liability if something bad happened to you because you
>> didn't follow his advice.
> Right, he wouldn't.
Wrong. A medical practioner has to communicate on the level of his
patient. If this cardiologist has not utilized flash cards and Winnie
The Pooh comics, he'd be liable for ole Zen's ultimate idiocy. :-) | 
05-31-2008, 06:11 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Jason Earl has brought this to us :
> I have a question. Are the treadmills that are used for these tests
> special? The treadmills that I have access to don't seem to have as
> much incline as a Bruce Protocol Test would require.
> Jason
Special in what sense? Ability to incline, rapidity of inclination,
running surface, configuration of handrails, shutdown...Yes, they can
be as special as a Woodway or a simple as a $1K Pro. I particularly
liked the Force for athletic performance assessment (and rare
training).
Incline angles can speed up the exhaustion process for cardiological
measurement but most people can be pushed to their limits at 7% grade
and 7 mph. | 
05-31-2008, 06:11 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? It happens that Truth formulated :
> There is no medical reason to put a healthy person on a treadmill and
> monitor him just to see how long he can run or to repeat this at
> monthly intervals to see how much progress he is making in his work
> outs.
Au contraire'
> No insurance pays for such a service anyway.
Spoken like a true slave to managed care. | 
05-31-2008, 06:11 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Burr has brought this to us :
> "MU"
>>>
>>> Wait a minute, Bob didn't drop dead, he was in bed for three months and
>>> then
>>> passed. I talked (emailed) with his wife weekly.
>>>
>>> Burr
>>
>> "Drop dead" didn't mean instantaneously, yes, you are correct, and
>> during that time, he continued to dig his upcoming grave deeper and
>> deeper, in a spiritual sense. It was a pathetic spectacle to watch.
> I was very surprised with the way he did things and his attitude.
> Burr
Honestly, I think Pastorio got into Usenet, specifically acting out
against Chung (and myself to a much lesser degree) out of boredom. He
started in of all places the alt.diet groups lol.
Soon though, he had bought into his self-importance and the fallacy of
his crusade against Andrew. His name in print, his adoring fans, the
whole crock. His ego soared to hot ballooon size.
Both Andrew and I called his poor health, sure enough, he was obese,
giving horrible advice to others embodied in his cooking methodolgies.
He was killing himself, and others, and we told him so. No telling how
many pastorio led to illness that could have been avoided.
The pathetic part, the truly pride-driven Satanic Bob Pastorio,
diagnosed to die, continued to harass with no shame Chung and any other
patrons of SCM who did not buy into the Pastorio charm and way of life.
Or in his case, way to death.
He didn't have to apologize or even say he was wrong, all he had to do
is back off. Pastorio could have slipped away and not many would have
noticed after 30 days or so.
Couldn't do it. Angry, proud, ever-Bob to his end, he leaves behind him
on Usenet, as a permanent memory his family can never dodge, written,
authored and signed by Pastorio himself his egotism, his erroneous
lifestyle and his death as legacy to the same.
Our buddy Zen, he's cut from the same cloth, wait and see.
At least Pastorio was English fluent, I did enjoy bantering with him
from time to time. He abused his intellect and his way of expression
and used it to wrongfully influence God Knows how many.
I always knew that Pastorio would do himself in as he did, the banter
was more like arguing with a terminal patient about his inevitable
passing...when he denies it over and over again.
Mu | 
05-31-2008, 06:11 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Cohen explained :
> Burr do you know who this piece of shit Mu is? He subscribes to a hate-filled
> version of christianity and gloats at every opportunity over Bob's death, as
> if he or his sick idea of god had something to do with it. I don't know if he
> really believes the crazy shit he spouts or is a troll but either way he's a
> worthless lowlife.
The mark of a child is the insistence that what you (the child) has to
say about Mu (the adult with a world of expereince you never will have
not have at this writing) is Truth because you spew it.
Mu is an easily Googled Mu, not hiding behind Zen names and puppets,
many people know exactly who I am, what I stand for and my experience,
history, accomplishments, the whole tuna. If I step outside of any Mu
Truth, you can bet, including Andrew first and foremost, I will be
called out for it.
But it's never happened. No reason for it too. I don't lie, unlike you,
I have nothing to lie about. | 
05-31-2008, 06:11 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Burr reported:
> Here things are so tight in LA you had your hand in your own pocket!
LA? I hope you like LA, I was fortunate to have inlaws in the desert
and in the Hills. I still didn't like it altho it may have been the
inlaws come to think of it. lol | 
05-31-2008, 06:11 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Cohen formulated the question :
> Sorry, bub. He died with dignity. You OTOH hide behind the skirts of some
> bizarre notion of god and will die the coward that you are and always have
> been.
I am sure you would think so.
Here is your definition of dignity. http://jackanapes.ws/pastorino.html
Yeah, dignity. BTW, see the yellowing teeth? Note the swelling fingers,
the nubbed ends.
Missed that, didn't you? We didn't. | 
05-31-2008, 06:11 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? on 5/30/2008, Zen Cohen supposed :
> "Somewhat Useful Feedroos" <johnmartinesq@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:g1q004$pjo$1@aioe.org...
>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 14:16:00 -0700, Zen Cohen wrote:
>>
>>> "Somewhat Useful Feedroos" <johnmartinesq@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:g1pnrv$qip$1@aioe.org...
>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2008 16:12:42 -0400, MU wrote:
>>>>
>>> ....
>>>>> So do us a favor, don't drop dead here like Pastorio did. It took me at
>>>>> least 24 hours to completely and totally honor his living with the Truth
>>>>> of who he was.
>>>>>
>>>>> Like you, a nothing.
>>>
>>> We all gotta go sometime and I'd much prefer Bob's life and fate than
>>> yours -- that of a delusional and hateful loser whose greatest
>>> accomplishment in life is the tragic and premature death of a man far
>>> better
>>> than him. If there's anything for certain it's that you'll die alone and
>>> no
>>> one will give a shit.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> wow, and I thought I was a bad ass. Mu rocks.
>>>
>>> Mu definitely rocks to mental defectives who think an idiot babbling like
>>> a
>>> hysterical bag lady is a badass.
>>
>> Naw, he *thoroughly KYA*
> That's what any bitch of moo's whose nose was firmly shoved up his ass would
> think. It's kinda cute how sweet you are on your boy.
Did you see Rocky? Remember when he was getting his ass kicked and the
crowd was yelling,
STYA DOWN STAY DOWN STAY DOWN
Listen to the crowd, oh my god, Moo is slitting you with a razor and
you're bleeding to ded and dont know it. | 
05-31-2008, 08:51 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? on 5/31/2008, Very Useful AssKicker Of John Williams supposed :
>>>> ....
>>>>>> So do us a favor, don't drop dead here like Pastorio did. It took me at
>>>>>> least 24 hours to completely and totally honor his living with the
>>>>>> Truth
>>>>>> of who he was.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Like you, a nothing.
>>>>
>>>>> wow, and I thought I was a bad ass. Mu rocks. he *thoroughly KYA*
>> That's what any bitch of moo's whose nose was firmly shoved up his ass
>> would think. It's kinda cute how sweet you are on your boy.
> Did you see Rocky? Remember when he was getting his ass kicked and the crowd
> was yelling,
> STYA DOWN STAY DOWN STAY DOWN
> Listen to the crowd, oh my god, Moo is slitting you with a razor and you're
> bleeding to ded and dont know it.
Zen knows it, guaranteed he knows it in the same sense that a child,
who dislikes, even hates, his parents for the verbal, mental
ass-whooping he gets.
Like that child, Zennie has nothing in which to present in sensible,
adult debate why those ass-whoopings should stop. Think of it.
When a boy becomes a man, and his father or mother approaches him to
give him any kind of ass-whooping, the boy-Man, now Man-boy, refuses to
allow it. He has the answers, he has earned respect, he refuses to any
longer be treated as a boy. He is a Man and acts like one.
Zennie, he's a boy, acts like a boy every single day on Usenet. He
wants respect, deserves none, gets none. It pisses him to the nth
degree so he takes it out on <insert any of his dozens of Usenet
targets>.
Like Pastoro, he's stuck, his boyhood dominates his every move. Unlike
a Man, he can't let go of his boyhood, neither could Pastorio, the boy.
Neither will Zennie, the boy.
One might say, "He will change, he will grow up"; won't happen. That
small step that looks so long and large, from boy to Man, Zennie sees
as a chasm. Blocked by his thirst to satisfy his ego, his oh so
important Usenet reputation, and why not?
The boy lives on Usenet, it's his life, what else does the boy have?
Well, manhood but nothing I know of will grow the boy up. He's terminal
and I say a prayer for him, to Him, hoping on hope that Christ will do
His magic. ;-) | 
05-31-2008, 08:51 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? misanthropic_curmudgeon brought next idea :
> On May 30, 9:03 am, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [snip]
>> I think the guy was right. If something wrong happened to
>> you, he would be responsible. [snip] You could sue his
>> pants off
> Indeed: he was not looking out for Cohen's best interests - he was
> looking out for his.
> And charging Cohen for it.
Hi Kiddies, here's a lesson in tort and reality.
I know you watch those infomercials where Coehne and Kohn are oh so
interested in your <insert> but here's how the real world works.
Doctors pants are heavily insured. You're going to take on a law firm
who represents the insurance company that covers this
never-to-be-pantless MD. Got that so far? Use a crayon and white paper,
I'll wait.
<waiting>
OK, so now you know how full of crap you are. Here's more for you to
ponder/sweat bullets.
While you are collecting the MDs pants lol his insurance company legals
will be investigating every possible piece of your life. Paid your
kiddy income taxes, bet not. Got a grand from Daddy for rent, put it
into your checking account, didn't report the gift for taxation? Where
did that cash go, did you buy drugs?
Oh my. lol
Cheating on your wife? Single? Then you will be a homo in court. You
sue for pants, they look to send you off to the pokey, criminals are
not very good Plaintiffs.
Oh, but you say, "I am clean, no problemos, I am a deserving patient
who has been wronged and deserve his pants and a $1M.
LOL
I've watched dozens of self-righteous kiddies like you blither and
cajole and sue. And walk away in hand cuffs or, at best, an
ass-whooping.
Feel free to ignore Mu. Press on. | 
05-31-2008, 08:51 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? After serious thinking Andrzej Rosa wrote :
> I'm not an expert at that, and I really mean it, but as far as I
> understand if you have something wrong with your heart it has a fair
> chance of showing itself even on a resting test. Taking a treadmill
> test gives extra info, but not going several heartbeats higher will not
> change much, if anything.
You should have stopped at "Im not an expert", after that, you're so
far out in left field that the your not on the roster.
Really. | 
05-31-2008, 08:51 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? >> I think the guy was right. If something wrong happened to you, he would
>> be responsible. You had your pneumosomething already. What if it
>> happened again? You could sue his pants off, I suppose.
>>
Zen Cohen formulated a bunch of inane kiddy-crap on Thursday :
> He's not a guarantor of my health; he just has to act prudently. I had
> already signed a pretty comprehensive informed consent document, and his
> warning me of any additional risk, with my knowing acceptance of it would
> seemingly negate any malpractice. Seems that if I'm telling him I'm regularly
> exceeding those maximums and he fails to test me under those conditions when
> he had the opportunity to do so under medical supervisiocould expose him to
> liability more than actually testing me with informed consent.
Excuse me.
HAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAH AHAH
Thx.
Mu | 
05-31-2008, 08:51 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Jason Earl explained on 5/29/2008 :
>>> I think the guy was right. If something wrong happened to you, he
>>> would be responsible. You had your pneumosomething already. What if
>>> it happened again? You could sue his pants off, I suppose.
>>>
>>
>> He's not a guarantor of my health; he just has to act prudently. I had
>> already signed a pretty comprehensive informed consent document, and
>> his warning me of any additional risk, with my knowing acceptance of
>> it would seemingly negate any malpractice. Seems that if I'm telling
>> him I'm regularly exceeding those maximums and he fails to test me
>> under those conditions when he had the opportunity to do so under
>> medical supervisiocould expose him to liability more than actually
>> testing me with informed consent.
> How old is your doctor? Maybe the real answer is that your doctor
> didn't want to see you beat his own time on the stress test so badly .
> What's more likely, though, is that your doctor just doesn't care.
Yeah, that's it, he's a cold hearted, cruel bastard who wants patients
to drop to his floor, dead. Yeah, that's it.
> Somewhere along the lines he lowered his goals from keeping people
> active and healthy to merely keeping people alive.
Maybe he did; maybe he did so because keeping people active (which is
not in his power in the least) and healthy (which requires patient
cooperation, often not forthcoming) v.s, keeping them alive (which
gives tem the chance to change and for him to be of service) was the
only choice he had.
> I suppose that's probably a pragmatic position for a cardiologist to
> take, but it certainly doesn't sound very *fun*. If you are going to
> take a stress test, you might as well see how well the ticker holds up
> when you open things up all of the way.
> Jason
Kill the patient, cure the patient? | 
05-31-2008, 08:51 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"MU" <danmc51@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4840f5d4$0$25950$6e1ede2f@read.cnntp.org...
> misanthropic_curmudgeon brought next idea :
>> On May 30, 9:03 am, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> [snip]
>>> I think the guy was right. If something wrong happened to
>>> you, he would be responsible. [snip] You could sue his
>>> pants off
>
>> Indeed: he was not looking out for Cohen's best interests - he was
>> looking out for his.
>> And charging Cohen for it.
>
> Hi Kiddies, here's a lesson in tort and reality.
>
> I know you watch those infomercials where Coehne and Kohn are oh so
> interested in your <insert> but here's how the real world works.
>
> Doctors pants are heavily insured. You're going to take on a law firm who
> represents the insurance company that covers this never-to-be-pantless MD.
> Got that so far? Use a crayon and white paper, I'll wait.
>
> <waiting>
>
> OK, so now you know how full of crap you are. Here's more for you to
> ponder/sweat bullets.
>
> While you are collecting the MDs pants lol his insurance company legals
> will be investigating every possible piece of your life. Paid your kiddy
> income taxes, bet not. Got a grand from Daddy for rent, put it into your
> checking account, didn't report the gift for taxation? Where did that cash
> go, did you buy drugs?
>
> Oh my. lol
>
> Cheating on your wife? Single? Then you will be a homo in court. You sue
> for pants, they look to send you off to the pokey, criminals are not very
> good Plaintiffs.
>
> Oh, but you say, "I am clean, no problemos, I am a deserving patient who
> has been wronged and deserve his pants and a $1M.
>
> LOL
>
> I've watched dozens of self-righteous kiddies like you blither and cajole
> and sue. And walk away in hand cuffs or, at best, an ass-whooping.
>
> Feel free to ignore Mu. Press on.
>
>
Can someone translate this for me please? | 
05-31-2008, 11:42 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? David was thinking very hard :
> Can someone translate this for me please?
See kiddies post? See adults post? Choose. | 
05-31-2008, 11:42 AM
| | | Re: Kiddie Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Cohen wrote on 5/29/2008 :
> I had to take a treadmill stress test yesterday because I had minor
> right-side chest pain a couple weeks after a 40% spontaneous pneumothorax in
> my right lung. I suspect the test was overkill but I wasn't going to defy my
> doc's advice.
Oh no, surely not, Kiddie, lol
You're scared crapless, you will be a good li'l Kiddie, won't you? | 
05-31-2008, 11:42 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"MU"
I knew Bob from a writers group 15 or 20 years ago.
The group went it's own way and the last I heard Bob was doing a radio or TV
show then the next thing I knew he was sick and passing.
I can't judge him, I didn't know him.
Burr
PS: wish you would use your name. | 
05-31-2008, 11:42 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"MU" <danmc51@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4840d014$0$25950$6e1ede2f@read.cnntp.org...
> Burr reported:
>
>> Here things are so tight in LA you had your hand in your own pocket!
>
> LA? I hope you like LA, I was fortunate to have inlaws in the desert and
> in the Hills. I still didn't like it altho it may have been the inlaws
> come to think of it. lol
>
>
Should have been "Hear".
I ain't to smart.
Burr | 
05-31-2008, 11:42 AM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Burr explained on 5/31/2008 :
> "MU"
> I knew Bob from a writers group 15 or 20 years ago.
> The group went it's own way and the last I heard Bob was doing a radio or TV
> show then the next thing I knew he was sick and passing.
> I can't judge him, I didn't know him.
> Burr
I knew, we all knew Pastorio. Pastorio made a dedicated point of
linking himself with his real life off Usenet, his shows, his family.
It is in the Google archives, Pastorio centralized his very persona by
his Usenet particiption. Make NO doubt, Pastorio was, and is, complicit
in his behavior; it was well thought out, it was determined, it was and
is Pastorio. There is NO possibility to see him otherwise, Pastorio did
not allow for any speculations. | 
05-31-2008, 02:37 PM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"MU" <danmc51@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4840d0d2$0$25951$6e1ede2f@read.cnntp.org...
> Zen Cohen formulated the question :
>> Sorry, bub. He died with dignity. You OTOH hide behind the skirts of some
>> bizarre notion of god and will die the coward that you are and always
>> have been.
>
> I am sure you would think so.
>
> Here is your definition of dignity.
>
> http://jackanapes.ws/pastorino.html
>
> Yeah, dignity. BTW, see the yellowing teeth? Note the swelling fingers,
> the nubbed ends.
>
> Missed that, didn't you? We didn't.
Where's your picture wimp? I missed that. What's your name? I missed that
too...
What? You're not going to show us what you look like or tell us who you
are?
Thought so, ya silly limp dick. | 
05-31-2008, 02:37 PM
| | | Is MU a dangerous pedo? What's his obsession with "KIDDIE"?
"Mu" <mu@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:48410afe$0$25953$6e1ede2f@read.cnntp.org...
> Zen Cohen wrote on 5/29/2008 :
>
>> I had to take a treadmill stress test yesterday because I had minor
>> right-side chest pain a couple weeks after a 40% spontaneous pneumothorax
>> in my right lung. I suspect the test was overkill but I wasn't going to
>> defy my doc's advice.
>
> Oh no, surely not, Kiddie, lol
>
> You're scared crapless, you will be a good li'l Kiddie, won't you?
MU, What's your NAME and ADDRESS?
I want to report you as I think you're a perv. | 
05-31-2008, 06:48 PM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? On Fri, 30 May 2008 19:32:27 -0700, Zen Cohen wrote:
> "Jason Earl" <jearl@xmission.com> wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> How old is your doctor? Maybe the real answer is that your doctor
>> didn't want to see you beat his own time on the stress test so badly .
>>
>
> He was younger than me
Thats gotta be a lie there are no 14 yo Doogie Howsers.
--
MICHAEL ROOS(E) | 
05-31-2008, 10:41 PM
| | | Re: Cardiologist too conservative? MU <danmc51@gmail.com> writes:
> Jason Earl has brought this to us :
>> I have a question. Are the treadmills that are used for these tests
>> special? The treadmills that I have access to don't seem to have as
>> much incline as a Bruce Protocol Test would require.
>
>> Jason
>
> Special in what sense? Ability to incline, rapidity of inclination,
> running surface, configuration of handrails, shutdown...Yes, they can
> be as special as a Woodway or a simple as a $1K Pro. I particularly
> liked the Force for athletic performance assessment (and rare
> training).
>
> Incline angles can speed up the exhaustion process for cardiological
> measurement but most people can be pushed to their limits at 7% grade
> and 7 mph.
Yes, but if I want to follow the Bruce protocol, then I need a treadmill
with a lot more incline. I will probably settle for making up my own
protocol more suited to the treadmills I actually use, but it won't be
able to directly compare my results to medical research that uses the
Bruce protocol.
It should still be pretty fun, though, especially if I can trick some of
my friends into turning it into a competition. That's really the main
point.
Jason | | |