Cardiologist update, was Re: Well shit, I had to go to the ER

David Cohen wrote:
> Richard wrote:
> > I lifted weights as usual then all of a sudden my heart rate went to
264bpm!
> > Called 911, fell on the floor and the next thing I know they're giving
me
> > adenosine. Now THAT felt like shit! They spilled some on my leg and it
felt
> > like gasoline. My heart stopped beating, then went to 150bpm.. they
loaded
> > me up and I was at the ER for the past 6 hours. I'm not supposed to
workout
> > until I see my cardiologist... the same cardiologist who never returned
my
> > call when I asked him if it was ok to work out (or if I would die).
Well, I
> > guess it was "you could die" and not "you won't die". Frick. Anyone else
> > have this? I guess not, or you wouldn't be snooping around in mfw. I'm
> > screwed?
>
> Nearly all causes of narrow complex tachycardias are fairly easily
> treated once properly diagnosed, and are rarely associated with the
> word "die". Don't lift anything that could hurt you if you suddenly got
> weak and dizzy, like heavy bench, and go get your problem treated.
>
> David

I saw my cardiologist today and he said that I'm clear to continue weight
lifting, even with the PSVT and mild MVP. Even though I went to the ER in an
ambulance last week, I'm good to lift weights this week !!! :-)

Also found out that I didn't have to call 911.. he said that I could have
gone for hours or even days with my heart rate at 264bpm, before it would
start to fail. Its hard to believe really, but I trust his word. I would
probably just die of a stroke first - but that's unlikely, I guess.

Also I saw my endocrinologist this week, she cut my Synthroid dose in half
because TSH was 0.32 so I was hyperthyroid as hell. The cardiologist thinks
this is what triggered or aggravated the PSVT.

So I'm back in the game! Now I have a question... why are my biceps getting
TALL, but not WIDE. They look skinny (narrow) and tall, but they are not
filling out in width. What can I do about this? My father's and brother's
biceps are wide and fuller.. so I'm not convinced that its just bad
genetics. I'm doing the wrong exercises I guess.

Thanks,
Richard

"Richard" <no@spamhere.invalid> wrote in message
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> David Cohen wrote:
>> Richard wrote:
>> > I lifted weights as usual then all of a sudden my heart rate went to
> 264bpm!
>> > Called 911, fell on the floor and the next thing I know they're giving
> me
>> > adenosine. Now THAT felt like shit! They spilled some on my leg and it
> felt
>> > like gasoline. My heart stopped beating, then went to 150bpm.. they
> loaded
>> > me up and I was at the ER for the past 6 hours. I'm not supposed to
> workout
>> > until I see my cardiologist... the same cardiologist who never returned
> my
>> > call when I asked him if it was ok to work out (or if I would die).
> Well, I
>> > guess it was "you could die" and not "you won't die". Frick. Anyone
>> > else
>> > have this? I guess not, or you wouldn't be snooping around in mfw. I'm
>> > screwed?
>>
>> Nearly all causes of narrow complex tachycardias are fairly easily
>> treated once properly diagnosed, and are rarely associated with the
>> word "die". Don't lift anything that could hurt you if you suddenly got
>> weak and dizzy, like heavy bench, and go get your problem treated.
>>
>> David
>
> I saw my cardiologist today and he said that I'm clear to continue weight
> lifting, even with the PSVT and mild MVP. Even though I went to the ER in
> an
> ambulance last week, I'm good to lift weights this week !!! :-)
>
> Also found out that I didn't have to call 911.. he said that I could have
> gone for hours or even days with my heart rate at 264bpm, before it would
> start to fail. Its hard to believe really, but I trust his word. I would
> probably just die of a stroke first - but that's unlikely, I guess.
>
> Also I saw my endocrinologist this week, she cut my Synthroid dose in half
> because TSH was 0.32 so I was hyperthyroid as hell. The cardiologist
> thinks
> this is what triggered or aggravated the PSVT.
>
> So I'm back in the game! Now I have a question... why are my biceps
> getting
> TALL, but not WIDE. They look skinny (narrow) and tall, but they are not
> filling out in width. What can I do about this? My father's and brother's
> biceps are wide and fuller.. so I'm not convinced that its just bad
> genetics. I'm doing the wrong exercises I guess.

No, you're one of the very lucky ducks with """"long lean muscles""".
You know, the muscles hyped on every goddamm late nite fitness informercial.
Boy, yer poised to make a fortune!
Just connect long lean muscles to a gadget.
Such as my HoloBarre.

But seriously, there is, as usual, a bell curve of muscle response to
stress. Some people, I've read, do not hypertrophy *at all*. etc.
You may want to consider Armour over synthroid. check out
alt.support.thyroid for opinions.
Also, certain foods and food/drug drug/drug interactions will affect
heartrate. One of the more unusual ones is watermelon seeds. No foolin.
Niacin is another. Not to mention allergies. I developed an
allergy/reaction to novacaine--pretty wild heart beat. Lucky me.
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>
> Thanks,
> Richard
>
>
>

Richard wrote:

> So I'm back in the game! Now I have a question... why are my biceps getting
> TALL, but not WIDE. They look skinny (narrow) and tall, but they are not
> filling out in width. What can I do about this? My father's and brother's
> biceps are wide and fuller.. so I'm not convinced that its just bad
> genetics. I'm doing the wrong exercises I guess.

Try some reverse curls.

Patrick

On 18 Dec 2006 19:56:37 -0800, NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:

>Richard wrote:
>
>> So I'm back in the game! Now I have a question... why are my biceps getting
>> TALL, but not WIDE. They look skinny (narrow) and tall, but they are not
>> filling out in width. What can I do about this? My father's and brother's
>> biceps are wide and fuller.. so I'm not convinced that its just bad
>> genetics. I'm doing the wrong exercises I guess.
>
>Try some reverse curls.
>
>Patrick

Those work the forearm.

On Mon, 18 Dec 2006 13:37:23 -0700, "Richard" <no@spamhere.invalid>
wrote:

>I saw my cardiologist today and he said that I'm clear to continue weight
>lifting, even with the PSVT and mild MVP. Even though I went to the ER in an
>ambulance last week, I'm good to lift weights this week !!! :-)
>
>Also found out that I didn't have to call 911.. he said that I could have
>gone for hours or even days with my heart rate at 264bpm, before it would
>start to fail. Its hard to believe really, but I trust his word. I would
>probably just die of a stroke first - but that's unlikely, I guess.
>
>Also I saw my endocrinologist this week, she cut my Synthroid dose in half
>because TSH was 0.32 so I was hyperthyroid as hell. The cardiologist thinks
>this is what triggered or aggravated the PSVT.
>
>So I'm back in the game! Now I have a question... why are my biceps getting
>TALL, but not WIDE. They look skinny (narrow) and tall, but they are not
>filling out in width. What can I do about this? My father's and brother's
>biceps are wide and fuller.. so I'm not convinced that its just bad
>genetics. I'm doing the wrong exercises I guess.
>
>Thanks,
>Richard

Well that is news to me. I probably would have called 911 if my heart
rate jumped up like that too. Hopefully you can get a grip on any
warning signs to prevent it happening again. You story sounded
pretty scary.

"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On 18 Dec 2006 19:56:37 -0800, NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
>
> >Richard wrote:
> >
> >> So I'm back in the game! Now I have a question... why are my biceps
getting
> >> TALL, but not WIDE. They look skinny (narrow) and tall, but they are
not
> >> filling out in width. What can I do about this? My father's and
brother's
> >> biceps are wide and fuller.. so I'm not convinced that its just bad
> >> genetics. I'm doing the wrong exercises I guess.
> >
> >Try some reverse curls.
> >
> >Patrick
>
> Those work the forearm.

Yeah I stopped doing those because things were getting out of proportion

Shute wrote:
> On 18 Dec 2006 19:56:37 -0800, NoOption5L@aol.com wrote:
>
>> Richard wrote:
>>
>>> So I'm back in the game! Now I have a question... why are my biceps
>>> getting TALL, but not WIDE. They look skinny (narrow) and tall, but
>>> they are not filling out in width. What can I do about this? My
>>> father's and brother's biceps are wide and fuller.. so I'm not
>>> convinced that its just bad genetics. I'm doing the wrong exercises
>>> I guess.
>>
>> Try some reverse curls.
>>
>> Patrick
>
> Those work the forearm.

Would you care to email the guys at exrx and tell them they fucked up?

http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...verseCurl.html

What's that old expression - "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought
an idiot than open it and remove all doubt." !

--
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matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 07:08:47 -0000, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
wrote:

>Would you care to email the guys at exrx and tell them they fucked up?
>
>http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...verseCurl.html
>
>What's that old expression - "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought
>an idiot than open it and remove all doubt." !

Why should I do that when you are the one that is wrong. They work
the outer part of the forearm just like I said. If your biceps are
getting tired doing those then your biceps are weak.

In article <uf3go2dg8bm0hjeeuai3l4l82a2fieidoo@4ax.com>,
Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 07:08:47 -0000, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
> wrote:
>
> >Would you care to email the guys at exrx and tell them they fucked up?
> >
> >http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...verseCurl.html
> >
> >What's that old expression - "Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought
> >an idiot than open it and remove all doubt." !
>
> Why should I do that when you are the one that is wrong. They work
> the outer part of the forearm just like I said. If your biceps are
> getting tired doing those then your biceps are weak.
>

Jeez Shute...

They work elbow flexion. The biceps brachii are major elbow flexors, as
are brachioradialis and brachialis. Of the three brachioradialis has the
muscle belly primarily in the forearm.

The biceps also supinates the hand and that is why it is more affected
by movements where the palm is facing up. But to say reverse curls just
work the forearm is wrong.

--
Keith

Hobbes wrote:
> In article <uf3go2dg8bm0hjeeuai3l4l82a2fieidoo@4ax.com>,
> Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 07:08:47 -0000, "Bully"
>> <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>>
>>> Would you care to email the guys at exrx and tell them they fucked
>>> up?
>>>
>>> http://www.exrx.net/WeightExercises/...verseCurl.html
>>>
>>> What's that old expression - "Better to keep your mouth shut and be
>>> thought an idiot than open it and remove all doubt." !
>>
>> Why should I do that when you are the one that is wrong. They work
>> the outer part of the forearm just like I said. If your biceps are
>> getting tired doing those then your biceps are weak.
>>
>
> Jeez Shute...
>
> They work elbow flexion. The biceps brachii are major elbow flexors,
> as are brachioradialis and brachialis. Of the three brachioradialis
> has the muscle belly primarily in the forearm.
>
> The biceps also supinates the hand and that is why it is more affected
> by movements where the palm is facing up. But to say reverse curls
> just work the forearm is wrong.

I rest my case.

--
Bully
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:31:15 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Jeez Shute...

Bully's incessant pestering gets tiresome after a while. It was just
a few weeks ago he was after me about arm curls.

>They work elbow flexion. The biceps brachii are major elbow flexors, as
>are brachioradialis and brachialis. Of the three brachioradialis has the
>muscle belly primarily in the forearm.
>
>The biceps also supinates the hand and that is why it is more affected
>by movements where the palm is facing up. But to say reverse curls just
>work the forearm is wrong.

I realize other muscles are involved. But if you do them right you
should primarily feel them in the outer part of the forearm. You
can't use enough weight to really overload the biceps unless that
muscle is weak. I have never tried them. But I suspect if you did a
Hammer Curl the biceps would get hit a little harder.

Shute wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:31:15 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Jeez Shute...
>
> Bully's incessant pestering gets tiresome after a while. It was just
> a few weeks ago he was after me about arm curls.

It's not cos you're constantly talking bollocks is it?

>> They work elbow flexion. The biceps brachii are major elbow flexors,
>> as are brachioradialis and brachialis. Of the three brachioradialis
>> has the muscle belly primarily in the forearm.
>>
>> The biceps also supinates the hand and that is why it is more
>> affected by movements where the palm is facing up. But to say
>> reverse curls just work the forearm is wrong.
>
> I realize other muscles are involved. But if you do them right you
> should primarily feel them in the outer part of the forearm.

If you do heavy deadlifts you will feel them in the forearm. Does that mean
deadlifts is a forearm exercise?


> You can't use enough weight to really overload the biceps unless that
> muscle is weak. I have never tried them.

The above 2 sentences, side by side, speak volumes.

> But I suspect if you did a
> Hammer Curl the biceps would get hit a little harder.

Correct. Nobody has stated otherwise.

--
Bully
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 18:01:51 -0000, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
wrote:

>Shute wrote:
>> On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 10:31:15 -0600, Hobbes <khobman800@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Jeez Shute...
>>
>> Bully's incessant pestering gets tiresome after a while. It was just
>> a few weeks ago he was after me about arm curls.
>
>It's not cos you're constantly talking bollocks is it?

It isn't my fault if you never understand what people are talking
about. It is always Why? Why? Why? Why? The questions never stop and
you sill don't understand.

>> I realize other muscles are involved. But if you do them right you
>> should primarily feel them in the outer part of the forearm.
>
>If you do heavy deadlifts you will feel them in the forearm. Does that mean
>deadlifts is a forearm exercise?

Exactly my point. .

>> You can't use enough weight to really overload the biceps unless that
>> muscle is weak. I have never tried them.
>
>The above 2 sentences, side by side, speak volumes.

Except you put the wrong two sentences together. It is Hammer Curls
which I have never tried. I have done plenty of reverse barbell
curls. The Reverse Barbell Curl task the biceps less than a Cable
Row or Chinup.

>> But I suspect if you did a
>> Hammer Curl the biceps would get hit a little harder.
>
>Correct. Nobody has stated otherwise.

Correct without even trying them. Amazing.

On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:05:49 -0000, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
wrote:

>I rest my case.

Your only case was to be pain in the ass. Which you succeeded at
quite nicely. Perhaps one day you can become an assistant prosecuting
attorney.

Shute wrote:

[... a whole heap o' shit ...]

Shute, you are without doubt a fuckwit of the finest kind. Well done.

--
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 19 Dec 2006 17:05:49 -0000, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
>wrote:
>
>>I rest my case.
>
>Your only case was to be pain in the ass. Which you succeeded at
>quite nicely. Perhaps one day you can become an assistant prosecuting
>attorney.

Maybe he'll experience a brain trauma and become unemployed like you.