fish. wrote:
>> Small random fires can't possibly make a steel framed building
>>do that. Not even a raging inferno can cause a steel building to
>>do anything even remotely close to that. Only a very well executed
>>controlled demolition can cause the total, instant, and symmetric
>>failure of all steel support columns that took place in WTC7.
> And given that most of the time, the best controlled demolitions still
> are pretty fucked and inaccurate, amazingly this one was PERFECT, wow,
> freaky huh?
So, you realize how difficult it is to get a tall building
to drop straight down in perfect symmetry, yet you are trying
to us that random fires and minor asymmetric damage can cause
such a perfectly executed controlled demoliton. Wow. That
level of brainwashing is amazing. Do you also "think" that
demolition crews would get better results if they =simply=
whacked one corner of a building a few times with a wrecking
ball, started a few small fires and walked away? That's
essentially what took place in WTC7.
It's abolutely fucking amazing how simple minded abd gullible
some people can be... <chuckle>
> stupid stupid prick.
Well, you're clearly stupid stupid, but we don't yet know
if you're a prick. Some stupid people can actually be
rather pleasant. You seen too stupid ot be a prick - more
of a Forest Gump sort... <chuckle>
Here's a link to a good article on WTC7's demolition
http://11syyskuu.blogspot.com/2006/0...-of-wtc-7.html
Question for any and all magic fire conspiracy theorists:
Do you agree with the observation below?
"Any asymmetry in the damage to structures would have led to
asymmetrical collapse."
If you don't agree, why not, and if you agree, why do you
think it didn't apply to WTC7's collapse, where the damage
was asymmetric and the collapse symmetric? Please explain
in detail.
TIA
Of particular interest:
"My measurements therefore support the conclusion presented in 9-11
Eyewitness that the skyscraper fell virtually unimpeded. The lack of
structural resistance seems to be explainable only by the destruction
of the structural supports through the use of explosives.
Heikki Kurttila, a Finnish Doctor of Engineering and accident
researcher, has made detailed calculations about the collapse speed of
WTC-7. In his article Kurttila concludes that the short collapse time
and low structural resistance "strongly suggest controlled demolition".
Structural Features of the Collapse
A striking feature in the collapse of WTC-7 is symmetry. The collapse
progressed evenly throughout the building, and the debris piled up
almost entirely within the foundations of the building.
The symmetry of WTC-7's collapse means that all of its steel supports
– 25 central and 58 peripheral columns – were destroyed almost
simultaneously. Any asymmetry in the damage to structures would have
led to asymmetrical collapse. By contrast, a fully symmetrical
collapse without controlled use of explosives would not have followed
the principle of least resistance. Local fires could not have weakened
all the central and peripheral support structures in a way that would
have caused all of them to give up at the same moment."
A Dutch demolition expert Danny Jowenko, who owns a demolition company
and has been in the business for 27 years, concluded in September 2006
that WTC 7 "is controlled demolition. [...] A team of experts did
this. This is professional work, without any doubt." Hugo Bachmann, a
Swiss professor emeritus for structural design and construction, said
in Tages-Anzeiger : "In my opinion WTC7 was with great probability
brought down by controlled demolition done by experts". In addition,
Jörg Schneider, another Swiss Professor emeritus for structural design
and construction, interprets the existing videos as indices that "WTC7
was with great probability brought down by explosives."
Characteristics of the Debris
"The debris of WTC-7 was extremely hot weeks after the collapse of
the building. Thermal imaging by NASA showed that the top of the
debris pile had a temperature of 730 degrees Celsius five days after
the collapse. Deeper, and immediately after the destruction,
temperatures were probably considerably higher. Residual temperatures
like this cannot be explained by office fires or by an ordinary,
gravity-driven collapse. When the potential energy of a building
experiencing an ordinary gravitational collapse turns into thermal
energy, the result is only a few degrees' average increase in
temperature."
Look at the height of WTC7:
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/...20Picture1.jpg
Then look at how it collapsed:
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
Small random fires can't possibly make a steel framed building
do that. Not even a raging inferno can cause a steel building to
do anything even remotely close to that. Only a very well executed
controlled demolition can cause the total, instant, and symmetric
failure of all steel support columns that took place in WTC7.
That was very solidly braced and virtually undamaged steel frame.
It was dramatically over engineered to withstand hurricane force
winds and mild earth quakes. Look at the still photos at 1 second
intervals. The building stays perfectly straight and level all the
way down. Every one of the 58 steel perimeter columns failed at
exactly the same time, and they all failed totally, putting up
essentially zero resistance. That's proven by the collapse time of
6.6 seconds compared to 6 seconds free fall. The southwest corner
of WTC7 was damaged by debris from the north tower, and there were
small random fires in the building, although it's anyone's guess how
they were ignited. But asymmetric damage and random fires don't cause
steel framed buildings to collapse even slowly and asymmetrically.
The near free fall speed and perfectly symmetric collapse of a
steel framed building can only be caused by a very well executed
synchronized demolition.
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
Perhaps you should learn more about the extreme (2000%) reserve
strength designed into the steel frames of the towers. How was the
2000% reserve strength of the undamaged steel frame exceeded by only
the force of gravity, in your opinion? And how was it exceeded to such
an extreme degree that the undamaged steel frame with a 2000% reserve
strength capacity offered no measurable resistance with only the force
of gravity working against it?
From:
http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...60327100957690
"The Twin Towers and Why They Fell
It would help to begin with an accurate description of the WTC towers
in terms of quality of design and construction. In July of 1971, the
American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) presented a national award
judging the buildings to be "the engineering project that demonstrates
the greatest engineering skills and represents the greatest
contribution to engineering progress and mankind."3 Others noted that
"the World Trade Center towers would have an inherent capacity to
resist unforeseen calamities." This capacity stemmed from the use of
special high-strength steels. In particular, the perimeter columns
were designed with tremendous reserve strength whereby "live loads on
these columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs."
More on the incredible strength of the towers can be found here:
http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html
"There is evidence that the Twin Towers were designed with an
even greater measure of reserve strength than typical large buildings.
According to the calculations of engineers who worked on the Towers'
design, all the columns on one side of a Tower could be cut, as well
as the two corners and some of the columns on each adjacent side, and
the building would still be strong enough to withstand a
100-mile-per-hour wind. 3"
http://911research.wtc7.net http://www.st911.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition.
http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
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