Creatine notes.

"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> schreef:

>> Dianabol, Anadrol and testosterone arte stronger than Wistrol, Primo and
>> Deca.

>> Last time i checked, anyway...

> Heh?

Water retention, Will.

You think its coincedence that anabolic steroids notorious for water
retention are also the strongest compounds?

And its not only from the estrogen, according to what i read a few times.

According to at least one book i have here right now, written for doctors,
not "juice-heads", Halotestin causes water retention, but that helps to
absorb crucial minerals such as phosphor, magnesium, etc.

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Pete

Pete wrote:
> "Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> schreef:
>
>>> Dianabol, Anadrol and testosterone arte stronger than Wistrol,
>>> Primo and Deca.
>
>>> Last time i checked, anyway...
>
>> Heh?
>
> Water retention, Will.
>
> You think its coincedence that anabolic steroids notorious for water
> retention are also the strongest compounds?
>
> And its not only from the estrogen, according to what i read a few
> times.
> According to at least one book i have here right now, written for
> doctors, not "juice-heads", Halotestin causes water retention, but
> that helps to absorb crucial minerals such as phosphor, magnesium,
> etc.
> ----
> Pete

Interesting. What proportion of muscle is generally composed from water?

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

>> And its not only from the estrogen, according to what i read a few
>> times.
>> According to at least one book i have here right now, written for
>> doctors, not "juice-heads", Halotestin causes water retention, but
>> that helps to absorb crucial minerals such as phosphor, magnesium,
>> etc.

> Interesting. What proportion of muscle is generally composed from water?

I think you will find something here;

http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/82/2/407

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Pete

Pete wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:
>
>>> And its not only from the estrogen, according to what i read a few
>>> times.
>>> According to at least one book i have here right now, written for
>>> doctors, not "juice-heads", Halotestin causes water retention, but
>>> that helps to absorb crucial minerals such as phosphor, magnesium,
>>> etc.
>
>> Interesting. What proportion of muscle is generally composed from
>> water?
>
> I think you will find something here;
>
> http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/82/2/407
>
> ----
> Pete

"...castrated male animals..." !!!!

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

>>> Interesting. What proportion of muscle is generally composed from
>>> water?

>> I think you will find something here;

>> http://jcem.endojournals.org/cgi/content/full/82/2/407

> "...castrated male animals..." !!!!

And hypogonadal humans...

"Seven hypogonadal men, 19-47 yr of age, after at least a 12-week washout
from previous androgen therapy, were treated for 10 weeks with testosterone
enanthate (100 mg/week) by im injections. Body weight, fat-free mass
measured by underwater weighing and deuterated water dilution, and muscle
size measured by magnetic resonance imaging were assessed before and after
treatment. Energy and protein intake were standardized at 35 Cal/kg·day and

1.5 g/kg·day, respectively."



Interesting eh?

Thats about .7 grams per pound...



"Body weight increased significantly from 79.2 ± 5.6 to 83.7 ± 5.7 kg after
10 weeks of testosterone replacement therapy (weight gain, 4.5 ± 0.6 kg; P =
0.0064). Fat-free mass, measured by underwater weighing, increased from 56.0
± 2.5 to 60.9 ± 2.2 kg (change, +5.0 ± 0.7 kg; P = 0.0004), but percent fat
did not significantly change. Similar increases in fat-free mass were
observed with the deuterated water method. The cross-sectional area of the
triceps arm muscle increased from 2421 ± 317 to 2721 ± 239 mm2 (P = 0.045),
and that of the quadriceps leg muscle increased from 7173 ± 464 to 7720 ±
454 mm2 (P = 0.0427), measured by magnetic resonance imaging. Muscle
strength, assessed by one repetition maximum of weight-lifting exercises
increased significantly after testosterone treatment. L-[1-13C]Leucine
turnover, leucine oxidation, and nonoxidative disappearance of leucine did
not significantly change after 10 weeks of treatment. There was no
significant change in hemoglobin, hematocrit, creatinine, and transaminase
levels."

"Replacement doses of testosterone increase fat-free mass and muscle size
and strength in hypogonadal men. Whether androgen replacement in wasting
states characterized by low testosterone levels will have similar anabolic
effects remains to be studied."



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Pete

In article <456eb56f$0$45481$dbd4b001@news.wanadoo.nl>, "Pete"
<phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

> "Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> schreef:
>
> >> Dianabol, Anadrol and testosterone arte stronger than Wistrol, Primo and
> >> Deca.
>
> >> Last time i checked, anyway...
>
> > Heh?
>
> Water retention, Will.

Ah, got it.

>
> You think its coincedence that anabolic steroids notorious for water
> retention are also the strongest compounds?

No doubt the water retention is part of the equation, but there are some
damn effective AAS that dont retain water, so how androgenic, CNS effects,
etc all play a part.

>
> And its not only from the estrogen, according to what i read a few times.

Makes sense to me, though it seems the AAS that convert to estrogen are
always known for their water retention.

>
> According to at least one book i have here right now, written for doctors,
> not "juice-heads", Halotestin causes water retention, but that helps to
> absorb crucial minerals such as phosphor, magnesium, etc.

Hmmm, Halotestin was always known as one of the least water retaining AAS
so i don't understand the reference there. Back in the day, it was used as
a pre contest high androgen AAS that did not retain water. Nasty stuff.
Made people crazy.

>
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> Pete