DB curls vs. BB curls, etc.

A recent posting around what one should be able to pull down compared
to what one can curl, prompted me to think about how much I lift with
various exercises. I've been lifting for about 5 months now, so I am
still very much a beginner. I am 40 y.o. male and weigh about 145
(that's 7 lbs more than when I started, so I'm making progress!).

I find that I can curl, using DBs, 40 lbs for 4 to 6 reps. However, I
find that when doing BB curls, I can do about 8 reps with 70 lbs but
can't really lift 80 lbs without compromising my form. I find that I
end up engaging my back and sway a bit when curling 80 lbs. I do my DB
curls sitting down on a bench with back support and the BB curls
standing up. I feel that I should be able to do more with BB curls but
am not able to.

Any feedback/comments/observations based on information above?

P.S.: I can pull down about 160 lbs, bench ~160lbs, SLDL ~175lbs and
squat ~165lbs, DB press 45 lbs (8 reps for each).

Thanks.

On 27 Nov 2006 18:51:05 -0800, "funkdys" <whoyoo@gmail.com> wrote:

>A recent posting around what one should be able to pull down compared
>to what one can curl, prompted me to think about how much I lift with
>various exercises. I've been lifting for about 5 months now, so I am
>still very much a beginner. I am 40 y.o. male and weigh about 145
>(that's 7 lbs more than when I started, so I'm making progress!).
>
>I find that I can curl, using DBs, 40 lbs for 4 to 6 reps. However, I
>find that when doing BB curls, I can do about 8 reps with 70 lbs but
>can't really lift 80 lbs without compromising my form. I find that I
>end up engaging my back and sway a bit when curling 80 lbs. I do my DB
>curls sitting down on a bench with back support and the BB curls
>standing up. I feel that I should be able to do more with BB curls but
>am not able to.
>
>Any feedback/comments/observations based on information above?
>
>P.S.: I can pull down about 160 lbs, bench ~160lbs, SLDL ~175lbs and
>squat ~165lbs, DB press 45 lbs (8 reps for each).
>
>Thanks.

That sounds normal. If you using curling barbell instead of a
straight bar you can generally do more. If you move your hands in or
out the weight you can lift changes. If you really want to bust your
biceps try preacher curls with even less weight. You can get a little
more out of the dumbbell curl if you twists your wrists on the way up.

Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>You can get a little
>more out of the dumbbell curl if you twists your wrists on the way up.

Why?

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:44:18 -0500, JMW
<jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

>Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>You can get a little
>>more out of the dumbbell curl if you twists your wrists on the way up.
>
>Why?

That was something I read in a magazine which Arnold used. I never
tried them for more than a month so I probably never got full benefit
from them. You start with your hands facing your body and twist them
on the way up. Then you flex your bicep at the top.

I always got the best pump just standing with a curling bar.

Shute is right, he is talking about pronation of the forearm/wrist, and to
some extent the upper arm, which twists the attachment points of the muscle,
affects mechanical advantage to some extent. For some, can make a big
difference.
With dbs, you have additional degrees of freedom of the arm, which can
change as you raise your arm, as Shute pointed out, in twisting the db on
the way up. It's really pretty neat.
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"funkdys" <whoyoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>A recent posting around what one should be able to pull down compared
> to what one can curl, prompted me to think about how much I lift with
> various exercises. I've been lifting for about 5 months now, so I am
> still very much a beginner. I am 40 y.o. male and weigh about 145
> (that's 7 lbs more than when I started, so I'm making progress!).
>
> I find that I can curl, using DBs, 40 lbs for 4 to 6 reps. However, I
> find that when doing BB curls, I can do about 8 reps with 70 lbs but
> can't really lift 80 lbs without compromising my form. I find that I
> end up engaging my back and sway a bit when curling 80 lbs. I do my DB
> curls sitting down on a bench with back support and the BB curls
> standing up. I feel that I should be able to do more with BB curls but
> am not able to.
>
> Any feedback/comments/observations based on information above?
>
> P.S.: I can pull down about 160 lbs, bench ~160lbs, SLDL ~175lbs and
> squat ~165lbs, DB press 45 lbs (8 reps for each).
>
> Thanks.
>
>

Proctologically Violated©® wrote:
> Shute is right,

He is, but does he know WHY? Other than that Arnold did it!

> he is talking about pronation of the forearm/wrist,
> and to some extent the upper arm, which twists the attachment points
> of the muscle, affects mechanical advantage to some extent. For
> some, can make a big difference.
> With dbs, you have additional degrees of freedom of the arm, which can
> change as you raise your arm, as Shute pointed out, in twisting the
> db on the way up. It's really pretty neat.
>
> "funkdys" <whoyoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1164682265.277054.321700@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>> A recent posting around what one should be able to pull down compared
>> to what one can curl, prompted me to think about how much I lift with
>> various exercises. I've been lifting for about 5 months now, so I am
>> still very much a beginner. I am 40 y.o. male and weigh about 145
>> (that's 7 lbs more than when I started, so I'm making progress!).
>>
>> I find that I can curl, using DBs, 40 lbs for 4 to 6 reps. However,
>> I find that when doing BB curls, I can do about 8 reps with 70 lbs
>> but can't really lift 80 lbs without compromising my form. I find
>> that I end up engaging my back and sway a bit when curling 80 lbs. I do
>> my DB curls sitting down on a bench with back support and the
>> BB curls standing up. I feel that I should be able to do more with
>> BB curls but am not able to.
>>
>> Any feedback/comments/observations based on information above?
>>
>> P.S.: I can pull down about 160 lbs, bench ~160lbs, SLDL ~175lbs and
>> squat ~165lbs, DB press 45 lbs (8 reps for each).
>>
>> Thanks.



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Let's assume, for arguments sake, the answer was No.
That still puts him heads, shoulders, and ankles above our resident
sociopaths jmw and fuknBrink.
Shute observes astutely.
jmw and brink are so self-obsessedly astigmatic and myopic they pert near
need a cane.
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"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
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> Proctologically Violated©® wrote:
>> Shute is right,
>
> He is, but does he know WHY? Other than that Arnold did it!
>
>> he is talking about pronation of the forearm/wrist,
>> and to some extent the upper arm, which twists the attachment points
>> of the muscle, affects mechanical advantage to some extent. For
>> some, can make a big difference.
>> With dbs, you have additional degrees of freedom of the arm, which can
>> change as you raise your arm, as Shute pointed out, in twisting the
>> db on the way up. It's really pretty neat.
>>
>> "funkdys" <whoyoo@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1164682265.277054.321700@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>>> A recent posting around what one should be able to pull down compared
>>> to what one can curl, prompted me to think about how much I lift with
>>> various exercises. I've been lifting for about 5 months now, so I am
>>> still very much a beginner. I am 40 y.o. male and weigh about 145
>>> (that's 7 lbs more than when I started, so I'm making progress!).
>>>
>>> I find that I can curl, using DBs, 40 lbs for 4 to 6 reps. However,
>>> I find that when doing BB curls, I can do about 8 reps with 70 lbs
>>> but can't really lift 80 lbs without compromising my form. I find
>>> that I end up engaging my back and sway a bit when curling 80 lbs. I do
>>> my DB curls sitting down on a bench with back support and the
>>> BB curls standing up. I feel that I should be able to do more with
>>> BB curls but am not able to.
>>>
>>> Any feedback/comments/observations based on information above?
>>>
>>> P.S.: I can pull down about 160 lbs, bench ~160lbs, SLDL ~175lbs and
>>> squat ~165lbs, DB press 45 lbs (8 reps for each).
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>
>
>
> --
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>
>
>

On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:44:18 -0500, JMW
<jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

>Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>You can get a little
>>more out of the dumbbell curl if you twists your wrists on the way up.
>
>Why?

If you don't then it is a hammer curl aimed primarily at the
Brachioradialis, whereas the dumbbell curl utilises the Biceps
Brachii as its prime mover.

I thought you might have known that John! ;o)

Bully wrote:
> Proctologically Violated©® wrote:

> > Shute is right,
>
> He is, but does he know WHY? Other than that
> Arnold did it!

JMW asked why. I suspect he was offering the same flame only in a more
polite manner than your query, Bully. You're both still the
text-version of a fly in someone's soup, though.

Neither of you offered jack squat for the OP's benefit. Tia! S

> > he is talking about pronation of the forearm/wrist,
> > and to some extent the upper arm, which twists
> > the attachment points of the muscle, affects
> > mechanical advantage to some extent. For some,
> > can make a big difference.
> > With dbs, you have additional degrees of freedom
> > of the arm, which can change as you raise your
> > arm, as Shute pointed out, in twisting the db on
> > the way up. It's really pretty neat.

Yup. You can fully contract your biceps by doing those "Arnold" curls
vice a straight bar where your wrists are fixed in position (unless
you're strong enough to bend the bar).

Another effective twist (oh, the pun!) would be Zottman curls:

http://www.shapefit.com/biceps-exerc...man-curls.html

The OP wrote, "I do my DB curls sitting down on a bench with back
support and the BB curls standing up. I feel that I should be able to
do more with BB curls but am not able to."

Seated with support versus standing, okay, but are you curling your
arms simultaneously when you do those seated DB curls or are you
curling each DB independently/alternating left-right arm as you curl?
The alternating method would allow more momentum thus allowing you to
DB curl more than your BB curls? More a question than an answer, but
there's that - worth every penny you paid for it. ;o)

--
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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:57:06 +0000, Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:44:18 -0500, JMW
><jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
>>Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>You can get a little
>>>more out of the dumbbell curl if you twists your wrists on the way up.
>>
>>Why?
>
>If you don't then it is a hammer curl aimed primarily at the
>Brachioradialis, whereas the dumbbell curl utilises the Biceps
>Brachii as its prime mover.
>
>I thought you might have known that John! ;o)

He probably starts with arms facing away from the body which is the
basic form of the lift. There isn't much difference between a barbell
and dumbbell curl at that point though.

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:18:29 -0500, Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:57:06 +0000, Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:44:18 -0500, JMW
>><jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>You can get a little
>>>>more out of the dumbbell curl if you twists your wrists on the way up.
>>>
>>>Why?
>>
>>If you don't then it is a hammer curl aimed primarily at the
>>Brachioradialis, whereas the dumbbell curl utilises the Biceps
>>Brachii as its prime mover.
>>
>>I thought you might have known that John! ;o)
>
>He probably starts with arms facing away from the body which is the
>basic form of the lift. There isn't much difference between a barbell
>and dumbbell curl at that point though.

In fact there is, because with heavy dumbbells it puts the hands at a
potentially wide and uncomfortable angle, which is why the hands start
facing the body adjacent to the thighs and are supinated (turned
upwards) as the dumbbells clear the thighs.

As I pointed out earlier, if the dumbbells aren't supinated then the
lift becomes a hammer curl.

Shute wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:57:06 +0000, Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:44:18 -0500, JMW
>> <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You can get a little
>>>> more out of the dumbbell curl if you twists your wrists on the way
>>>> up.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> If you don't then it is a hammer curl aimed primarily at the
>> Brachioradialis, whereas the dumbbell curl utilises the Biceps
>> Brachii as its prime mover.
>>
>> I thought you might have known that John! ;o)
>
> He probably starts with arms facing away from the body which is the
> basic form of the lift.

Basic, eh? The advanced form being with the forearm rotating then?

> There isn't much difference between a barbell
> and dumbbell curl at that point though.



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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 07:56:44 -0000, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
wrote:

>Proctologically Violated©® wrote:
>> Shute is right,
>
>He is, but does he know WHY? Other than that Arnold did it!

He said it works the peak. I didn't think that part was really
necessary for most people here who haven't achieved their size goals
yet. It also happens to really work the muscle hard. He would even
turn his wrists outward at the top of the curl and flex.

They worked as well as the barbell curl when I tried them. I didn't
feel I had mastered the form well enough to get their full effect.
You don't have to worry about elbow position with barbell or preacher
curls.

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:30:36 -0000, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
wrote:

>Shute wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:57:06 +0000, Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:
>>

>> He probably starts with arms facing away from the body which is the
>> basic form of the lift.
>
>Basic, eh? The advanced form being with the forearm rotating then?

No not advanced. Just a modified version. Many lifts have
modifications which can make them harder or just different.

What the fuck is your problem anyway. I didn't invent the lift. I
presented it as one of several alternatives.

"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> schreef:

> He said it works the peak.

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/240...a0412lf1wo.jpg

----
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Curt wrote:
> Bully wrote:
> > Proctologically Violated©® wrote:
>
> > > Shute is right,
> >
> > He is, but does he know WHY? Other than that
> > Arnold did it!
>
> JMW asked why. I suspect he was offering the same flame only in a more
> polite manner than your query, Bully. You're both still the
> text-version of a fly in someone's soup, though.
>
> Neither of you offered jack squat for the OP's benefit. Tia! S
>
> > > he is talking about pronation of the forearm/wrist,
> > > and to some extent the upper arm, which twists
> > > the attachment points of the muscle, affects
> > > mechanical advantage to some extent. For some,
> > > can make a big difference.
> > > With dbs, you have additional degrees of freedom
> > > of the arm, which can change as you raise your
> > > arm, as Shute pointed out, in twisting the db on
> > > the way up. It's really pretty neat.
>
> Yup. You can fully contract your biceps by doing those "Arnold" curls
> vice a straight bar where your wrists are fixed in position (unless
> you're strong enough to bend the bar).
>
> Another effective twist (oh, the pun!) would be Zottman curls:
>
> http://www.shapefit.com/biceps-exerc...man-curls.html
>
> The OP wrote, "I do my DB curls sitting down on a bench with back
> support and the BB curls standing up. I feel that I should be able to
> do more with BB curls but am not able to."
>
> Seated with support versus standing, okay, but are you curling your
> arms simultaneously when you do those seated DB curls or are you
> curling each DB independently/alternating left-right arm as you curl?
> The alternating method would allow more momentum thus allowing you to
> DB curl more than your BB curls? More a question than an answer, but
> there's that - worth every penny you paid for it. ;o)
>
Ah ha! That makes sense. I alternate my arms and it's likely the
momentum that's allowing me to lift more. I do however focus on the
negatives and spend twice the time lowering the weights than raising
them.

Also, I do curl/twist my arm as I raise it - read about it in Mens
Health once and decided to try it. Seems to give me a decent pump, so
I've stayed with it.

I'll try to incorporate hammer curls as well and see what that does.
Many thanks.

> --
> Curt

I alternate arms as well, w/ dbs. Seems more "natural", even tho it takes
longer.
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Curt wrote:
> Bully wrote:
> > Proctologically Violated©® wrote:
>
> > > Shute is right,
> >
> > He is, but does he know WHY? Other than that
> > Arnold did it!
>
> JMW asked why. I suspect he was offering the same flame only in a more
> polite manner than your query, Bully. You're both still the
> text-version of a fly in someone's soup, though.
>
> Neither of you offered jack squat for the OP's benefit. Tia! S
>
> > > he is talking about pronation of the forearm/wrist,
> > > and to some extent the upper arm, which twists
> > > the attachment points of the muscle, affects
> > > mechanical advantage to some extent. For some,
> > > can make a big difference.
> > > With dbs, you have additional degrees of freedom
> > > of the arm, which can change as you raise your
> > > arm, as Shute pointed out, in twisting the db on
> > > the way up. It's really pretty neat.
>
> Yup. You can fully contract your biceps by doing those "Arnold" curls
> vice a straight bar where your wrists are fixed in position (unless
> you're strong enough to bend the bar).
>
> Another effective twist (oh, the pun!) would be Zottman curls:
>
> http://www.shapefit.com/biceps-exerc...man-curls.html
>
> The OP wrote, "I do my DB curls sitting down on a bench with back
> support and the BB curls standing up. I feel that I should be able to
> do more with BB curls but am not able to."
>
> Seated with support versus standing, okay, but are you curling your
> arms simultaneously when you do those seated DB curls or are you
> curling each DB independently/alternating left-right arm as you curl?
> The alternating method would allow more momentum thus allowing you to
> DB curl more than your BB curls? More a question than an answer, but
> there's that - worth every penny you paid for it. ;o)
>
Ah ha! That makes sense. I alternate my arms and it's likely the
momentum that's allowing me to lift more. I do however focus on the
negatives and spend twice the time lowering the weights than raising
them.

Also, I do curl/twist my arm as I raise it - read about it in Mens
Health once and decided to try it. Seems to give me a decent pump, so
I've stayed with it.

I'll try to incorporate hammer curls as well and see what that does.
Many thanks.

> --
> Curt

funkdys wrote:
[...]

> Ah ha! That makes sense. I alternate my arms and it's
> likely the momentum that's allowing me to lift more. I do
> however focus on the negatives and spend twice the time
> lowering the weights than raising them.
>
> Also, I do curl/twist my arm as I raise it - read about it in
> Mens Health once and decided to try it. Seems to give
> me a decent pump, so I've stayed with it.
>
> I'll try to incorporate hammer curls as well and see what
> that does.
> Many thanks.

You're welcome.

--
Curt

On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:12:32 -0500, Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 15:30:36 -0000, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
>wrote:
>
>>Shute wrote:
>>> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:57:06 +0000, Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:
>>>
>
>>> He probably starts with arms facing away from the body which is the
>>> basic form of the lift.
>>
>>Basic, eh? The advanced form being with the forearm rotating then?
>
>No not advanced. Just a modified version. Many lifts have
>modifications which can make them harder or just different.
>
>What the fuck is your problem anyway. I didn't invent the lift. I
>presented it as one of several alternatives.

You are unwise to respond to the above type of post, which is designed
to harass you and attempt to take the piss.

Sociopathic people work out that certain posters are 'unpopular' with
certain other sociopaths, and will join in the infantile 'tormenting'
in order to curry favour and hopefully gain early elevation in the
sociopathic pecking order.

Bully wrote:
[...]

> Basic, eh? The advanced form being with
> the forearm rotating then?

Basic as in fundamental as opposed to basic as in lower on the ladder
leading to advanced.

Dipshit.

Hey, that was pretty basic, too. ;o)

--
Curt

Pete wrote:
> "Shute" schreef:
>
> > He said it works the peak.
>
> http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/240...a0412lf1wo.jpg

"Men with an IQ of 200 are freaks," Jones said. "Men over 7 feet tall
are freaks. And in the same sense of the word, Sergio is a freak."
Arthur Jones in Ell Darden's _The New High Intensity Training_.

Can't find the quote, but I'm almost certain I read someone's words,
something like, if Sergio had appeared on Earth in, say, 1300 or 1400
that'd he'd've been burned at the stake.

> Pete

--
Curt

"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> schreef:

>> > He said it works the peak.

>> http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/240...a0412lf1wo.jpg

> Can't find the quote, but I'm almost certain I read someone's words,
> something like, if Sergio had appeared on Earth in, say, 1300 or 1400
> that'd he'd've been burned at the stake.

When i see this paricular picture, i always wonder why he is smiling...

Does he have any reason to smile?

----
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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:04:11 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> schreef:
>
>>> > He said it works the peak.
>
>>> http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/240...a0412lf1wo.jpg
>
>> Can't find the quote, but I'm almost certain I read someone's words,
>> something like, if Sergio had appeared on Earth in, say, 1300 or 1400
>> that'd he'd've been burned at the stake.
>
>When i see this paricular picture, i always wonder why he is smiling...
>
>Does he have any reason to smile?
>

He has the smug self-satisfied look of someone enjoying the smell of
one of their own farts.

"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> schreef:

>>Does he have any reason to smile?

> He has the smug self-satisfied look of someone enjoying the smell of
> one of their own farts.

With those arms, i would piss, shit and fuck smiling...

And walk around with those tiny mirrors attached all around me.

----
Pete

Pete wrote:
> "Charles" schreef:

re a Sergio Oliva pic

> >>Does he have any reason to smile?
>
> > He has the smug self-satisfied look of someone
> > enjoying the smell of one of their own farts.

heh

I tried to reply, but Google gave me a server error or otherwised
denied my post. But after reading your fart reply, I realize that great
minds (or the oddly bent ones) truly do think alike.

My "reason to smile" post went something like this:

Sergio is thinking:

a) "I am the only person on Earth who can make Arnold Schwarzenegger
crap his pants!"
b) "
c) "Did someone fart?"

Okay, I forget what b was, but, hey, no one forgets the fart jokes!

> With those arms, i would piss, shit and fuck smiling...
>
> And walk around with those tiny mirrors attached all around me.

NO doubt. Absolutely no doubt!

> Pete

--
Curt

On 30 Nov 2006 14:53:20 -0800, "Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote:

>Pete wrote:
>> "Charles" schreef:
>
>re a Sergio Oliva pic
>
>> >>Does he have any reason to smile?
>>
>> > He has the smug self-satisfied look of someone
>> > enjoying the smell of one of their own farts.
>
>heh
>
>I tried to reply, but Google gave me a server error or otherwised
>denied my post. But after reading your fart reply, I realize that great
>minds (or the oddly bent ones) truly do think alike.
>
>My "reason to smile" post went something like this:
>
>Sergio is thinking:
>
>a) "I am the only person on Earth who can make Arnold Schwarzenegger
>crap his pants!"
>b) "
>c) "Did someone fart?"
>
>Okay, I forget what b was, but, hey, no one forgets the fart jokes!

I have to confess that since a very young boy I have always been
unable to resist guffawing at all and any jokes about farting.

It is the most ridiculous yet amusing of our involuntary bodily
functions, particularly as we all discharge approximately 15 of the
smelly things every day.

It is a great leveller too, to imagine that the pompous bugger who is
making life awful for you at difficult moments in your life, is
probably easing one out at the very moment he/she is standing on their
highest dignity! ;o)