Deadlift in a Two Day Split

Where is the best place to put a dead liftt in a two day split?
Mainly in regards to the leg exercises. Should I do it on leg day or
upper body day? And if I do it on leg day should I do it before or
after squats.

Right now I don't have it on leg day. I can feel it quite a bit in
the hamstrings and wonder if it belongs on leg day. I consider the
squat and deadlift the heaviest lifts and wasn't sure about putting
them on the same day.

Shute wrote:
> Where is the best place to put a dead liftt in a two day split?
> Mainly in regards to the leg exercises. Should I do it on leg day or
> upper body day? And if I do it on leg day should I do it before or
> after squats.
>
> Right now I don't have it on leg day. I can feel it quite a bit in
> the hamstrings and wonder if it belongs on leg day. I consider the
> squat and deadlift the heaviest lifts and wasn't sure about putting
> them on the same day.
>

Either leg day, after squats, or alternate between squats and DLs each
leg day.

Shute wrote:
> Where is the best place to put a dead liftt in a two day split?
> Mainly in regards to the leg exercises. Should I do it on leg day or
> upper body day? And if I do it on leg day should I do it before or
> after squats.
>
> Right now I don't have it on leg day. I can feel it quite a bit in
> the hamstrings and wonder if it belongs on leg day.

Your form may be compromised if it's hitting your hams. Do you have long
legs?

> I consider the
> squat and deadlift the heaviest lifts and wasn't sure about putting
> them on the same day.

As it's a [lower] back exercise it should go on upper body day. I could not
squat and deadlift on the same day, or even adjacent days.

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push/pull instead of leg/back?


Shute ha escrito:

> Where is the best place to put a dead liftt in a two day split?
> Mainly in regards to the leg exercises. Should I do it on leg day or
> upper body day? And if I do it on leg day should I do it before or
> after squats.
>
> Right now I don't have it on leg day. I can feel it quite a bit in
> the hamstrings and wonder if it belongs on leg day. I consider the
> squat and deadlift the heaviest lifts and wasn't sure about putting
> them on the same day.

Read upper/lower instead of leg/back. Too few coffees today.

Dnia 2006-11-04 Sag napisa³(a):
>
> Read upper/lower instead of leg/back. Too few coffees today.

You meant push/pull split instead of upper/lower. In case coffee
fails, try sleep. Works wonders for me. ;-)

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 22:18:36 -0000, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
wrote in misc.fitness.weights:

>Shute wrote:
>> Where is the best place to put a dead liftt in a two day split?
>> Mainly in regards to the leg exercises. Should I do it on leg day or
>> upper body day? And if I do it on leg day should I do it before or
>> after squats.
>>
>> Right now I don't have it on leg day. I can feel it quite a bit in
>> the hamstrings and wonder if it belongs on leg day.
>
>Your form may be compromised if it's hitting your hams. Do you have long
>legs?

Why do you say that? My hamstrings bear the brunt of the work when
doing conventional deadlifts and I have short legs.

>
>> I consider the
>> squat and deadlift the heaviest lifts and wasn't sure about putting
>> them on the same day.
>
>As it's a [lower] back exercise it should go on upper body day. I could not
>squat and deadlift on the same day, or even adjacent days.

I would say that a conventional deadlift is a hamstring/back exercise.
Sumo deadlifts are more of a hip exercise.

"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> schreef:

> Where is the best place to put a dead liftt in a two day split?

Depends on which muscls/joints are dominant.

> Mainly in regards to the leg exercises. Should I do it on leg day or
> upper body day? And if I do it on leg day should I do it before or
> after squats.

After.
You really dont want a heavy bar on your back with ehausted spinals.
The other way around seems to work, since you hold the bar in your hands and
quads dont have to be dominant.

> Right now I don't have it on leg day. I can feel it quite a bit in
> the hamstrings and wonder if it belongs on leg day. I consider the
> squat and deadlift the heaviest lifts and wasn't sure about putting
> them on the same day.

Shute, if you do squats/leg presses or hacks, and 2 rowing movements on back
day, you really dont need deadlifts.
When in doubt, do SLDLs.

----
Pete

Shute wrote:
> Where is the best place to put a dead liftt in a two day split?
> Mainly in regards to the leg exercises. Should I do it on leg day or
> upper body day? And if I do it on leg day should I do it before or
> after squats.
>
> Right now I don't have it on leg day. I can feel it quite a bit in
> the hamstrings and wonder if it belongs on leg day. I consider the
> squat and deadlift the heaviest lifts and wasn't sure about putting
> them on the same day.

Be careful with the biceps if you're using a mixed grip and put the DLs
after heavy biceps work. Easy to tear that way...

John

On Sat, 4 Nov 2006 17:04:49 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>Shute, if you do squats/leg presses or hacks, and 2 rowing movements on back
>day, you really dont need deadlifts.
>When in doubt, do SLDLs.

Why two rowing movements? I thought all the rows are pretty much the
same. The only variation being lat pull down and pull ups which go
for a different angle. And how do these work the lower back? That is
my main area of concern. I don't particularly like deadlifts but I
know my back is weak. Should I wait until my squat gets up to a
normal weight and see what happens then? Right now most of the
deadlift goes into my lower back, legs, and wrists.

On 4 Nov 2006 08:36:01 -0800, "Kettlebell Inc"
<kettlebellinc@gmail.com> wrote:

>Be careful with the biceps if you're using a mixed grip and put the DLs
>after heavy biceps work. Easy to tear that way...

Right now my biceps and shoulders the strongest muscles out of the
ones being used. I am more likely to pull something in my back or
legs.

"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> schreef:

>>Shute, if you do squats/leg presses or hacks, and 2 rowing movements on
>>back
>>day, you really dont need deadlifts.
>>When in doubt, do SLDLs.

> Why two rowing movements?

For example, cable rows and dumbell rows. The Db rows dont stress the
spinals.
Or narrow grip and wide grip.

> I thought all the rows are pretty much the
> same.

I general, yes. The wole point of rowing is to pull the shouilder girdle and
upper arm backwards. Thats the bottom line.

> The only variation being lat pull down and pull ups which go
> for a different angle.

You mean different grip or different angle.

> And how do these work the lower back?

They dont.
The action is at the shoulder girdle/joint and elbows.

> That is my main area of concern. I don't particularly like deadlifts but
> I
> know my back is weak.

Cable rows work very well. You can also try heperextensions and SLDLs on leg
day.

> Should I wait until my squat gets up to a
> normal weight and see what happens then? Right now most of the
> deadlift goes into my lower back, legs, and wrists.

Thats normal.
If you want to build your lower back specifically, continue with DLs. Try to
emphasize pulling with lower back/glute/hams instead of quads.

----
Pete

John Hanson wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Nov 2006 22:18:36 -0000, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
>> Shute wrote:
>>> Where is the best place to put a dead liftt in a two day split?
>>> Mainly in regards to the leg exercises. Should I do it on leg day
>>> or upper body day? And if I do it on leg day should I do it before
>>> or after squats.
>>>
>>> Right now I don't have it on leg day. I can feel it quite a bit in
>>> the hamstrings and wonder if it belongs on leg day.
>>
>> Your form may be compromised if it's hitting your hams. Do you have
>> long legs?
>
> Why do you say that? My hamstrings bear the brunt of the work when
> doing conventional deadlifts and I have short legs.

Cos I have short-ish legs and I feel in almost exclusively in the lower
back. However, I DO keep my lower back pretty much upright during the
exercise [as much as you can realistically] & drive thru my legs.

>
>>
>>> I consider the
>>> squat and deadlift the heaviest lifts and wasn't sure about putting
>>> them on the same day.
>>
>> As it's a [lower] back exercise it should go on upper body day. I
>> could not squat and deadlift on the same day, or even adjacent days.
>
> I would say that a conventional deadlift is a hamstring/back exercise.
> Sumo deadlifts are more of a hip exercise.



--
Bully
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
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