Depo-testosterone update

Just an update.. I've gone from 280 to 1308 with just 5 injections of 400mg
of depo-testosterone.

Testosterone, Serum: 1308 HIGH (range 241 to 827)
Testosterone, Free: 41.1 HIGH (range 8.7 to 25.1)

My doctor did this to me

If I could just hide these results from her.. I know she's going to cut me
down to 200mg or less

Richard

Correction! I had three injections of 200mg and only two injections of
300mg! Never even had 400mg at once. I'm wondering what the doc is going to
say now :-\

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
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> Just an update.. I've gone from 280 to 1308 with just 5 injections of
400mg
> of depo-testosterone.
>
> Testosterone, Serum: 1308 HIGH (range 241 to 827)
> Testosterone, Free: 41.1 HIGH (range 8.7 to 25.1)
>
> My doctor did this to me
>
> If I could just hide these results from her.. I know she's going to cut me
> down to 200mg or less
>
> Richard

In which time intervals took the injects place?
What is your current weight an what is your aim?
Is this the first time you take steroids?


Greets

Richard wrote:

> Correction! I had three injections of 200mg and only two injections of
> 300mg! Never even had 400mg at once. I'm wondering what the doc is going
> to say now :-\
>
> "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> news:hi9uh.2538$bL.449@newsfe08.phx...
>> Just an update.. I've gone from 280 to 1308 with just 5 injections of
> 400mg
>> of depo-testosterone.
>>
>> Testosterone, Serum: 1308 HIGH (range 241 to 827)
>> Testosterone, Free: 41.1 HIGH (range 8.7 to 25.1)
>>
>> My doctor did this to me
>>
>> If I could just hide these results from her.. I know she's going to cut
>> me down to 200mg or less
>>
>> Richard

On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:10:51 -0700, "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain>
wrote:

>Correction! I had three injections of 200mg and only two injections of
>300mg! Never even had 400mg at once. I'm wondering what the doc is going to
>say now :-\
>
>"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>news:hi9uh.2538$bL.449@newsfe08.phx...
>> Just an update.. I've gone from 280 to 1308 with just 5 injections of
>400mg
>> of depo-testosterone.
>>
>> Testosterone, Serum: 1308 HIGH (range 241 to 827)
>> Testosterone, Free: 41.1 HIGH (range 8.7 to 25.1)
>>
>> My doctor did this to me
>>
>> If I could just hide these results from her.. I know she's going to cut me
>> down to 200mg or less
>>
>> Richard
>

Decrease frequency, one assumes.

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"Roman Buck" <Roman.Buck@student.reutlingen-university.de> wrote in message
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> In which time intervals took the injects place?
Every two weeks.

> What is your current weight an what is your aim?
Same weight as I was before I started. Actually a pound heavier. I have
noticed a slight redistribution in fat but not much.

> Is this the first time you take steroids?
Yes it was... because I was low on T to begin with. That's why the doctor
started me on it. Honestly I was gaining more muscle before the shots, by
coincidence...

I've been keeping an Excel spreadsheet for the past year on everything once
per week - weight, thyroid hormone, testosterone, weights/exercises, food
intake, hydration, muscle size (by tape), fat percent (by caliper), etc. - a
snapshot of everything once per week. By coincidence, my thyroid hormone was
also increased around the time I was given the testosterone injections.

I ran all this stuff through an analytical tool (analytics is what I do for
a living) and found that the one thing that caused my muscle to grow was
being hypothyroid. When my TSH was over 5.0, I grew. When I went
hypERthyroid (my synthroid was increased and TSH < 1.0), I lost body fat and
could not gain ANY muscle. NONE. No matter what I ate, did, etc.

Now that my TSH is back to around 2.8, I am growing ~1/2" on my biceps each
month again.. The depo-testosterone is helping me to not lose muscle and
helps with fat distribution.

So if I want to grow, I can't be hyperthyroid. If I want to cut like crazy
without losing muscle, then I take depo-testosterone and more synthroid. If
you want to do all this the legal way, you have to know how to do your blood
tests so as to get your doctor to agree with you. I won't go into details
:-\

Richard


>
> Greets
>
> Richard wrote:
>
> > Correction! I had three injections of 200mg and only two injections of
> > 300mg! Never even had 400mg at once. I'm wondering what the doc is going
> > to say now :-\
> >
> > "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> > news:hi9uh.2538$bL.449@newsfe08.phx...
> >> Just an update.. I've gone from 280 to 1308 with just 5 injections of
> > 400mg
> >> of depo-testosterone.
> >>
> >> Testosterone, Serum: 1308 HIGH (range 241 to 827)
> >> Testosterone, Free: 41.1 HIGH (range 8.7 to 25.1)
> >>
> >> My doctor did this to me
> >>
> >> If I could just hide these results from her.. I know she's going to cut
> >> me down to 200mg or less
> >>
> >> Richard
>

"Joe Humble" <joehumble@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 15:10:51 -0700, "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain>
> wrote:
>
> >Correction! I had three injections of 200mg and only two injections of
> >300mg! Never even had 400mg at once. I'm wondering what the doc is going
to
> >say now :-\
> >
> >"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
> >news:hi9uh.2538$bL.449@newsfe08.phx...
> >> Just an update.. I've gone from 280 to 1308 with just 5 injections of
> >400mg
> >> of depo-testosterone.
> >>
> >> Testosterone, Serum: 1308 HIGH (range 241 to 827)
> >> Testosterone, Free: 41.1 HIGH (range 8.7 to 25.1)
> >>
> >> My doctor did this to me
> >>
> >> If I could just hide these results from her.. I know she's going to cut
me
> >> down to 200mg or less
> >>
> >> Richard
> >
>
> Decrease frequency, one assumes.

I'd probably rather have 100mg every two weeks than 200mg every month. I'm
noticing a big swing between just two weeks.

Richard

> --
> Is this thing on?

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:

>> In which time intervals took the injects place?

> Every two weeks.

Thats bad.

Half-life of cyp is aprox. 5 -6 days. Frequency, for steady levels, shouldnt
be less than one shot every 10 days. 6-8 is even better. Doctors *know*
this.

> So if I want to grow, I can't be hyperthyroid. If I want to cut like crazy
> without losing muscle, then I take depo-testosterone and more synthroid.
> If
> you want to do all this the legal way, you have to know how to do your
> blood
> tests so as to get your doctor to agree with you. I won't go into details
> :-\

Haha!

YOU are fucking with the results, i can tell! Or something else.

In the early-mid nineties, me and my "steroid buddy" were trying to trick a
few docs by...

Nevermind. Some people actually might Google this up and use it against me.

--
Pete

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:

> Correction! I had three injections of 200mg and only two injections of
> 300mg! Never even had 400mg at once. I'm wondering what the doc is going
> to
> say now :-\

Did you get both the 200 and 300 shots every week or every 2 weeks?

And why the change from 200 to 300? It doesnt make much sense. They usually
change the interval/frequency, not the dosage. (actually, the dosage is
*dictated* by the frequency...)

What was the actual schedule? Both dosage and frequency.

--
Pete

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:

> Just an update.. I've gone from 280 to 1308 with just 5 injections of
> 400mg
> of depo-testosterone.

400 weekly?

> Testosterone, Serum: 1308 HIGH (range 241 to 827)
> Testosterone, Free: 41.1 HIGH (range 8.7 to 25.1)

> My doctor did this to me

Good doctor.

> If I could just hide these results from her..

A woman !?!?!?

> I know she's going to cut me
> down to 200mg or less

Ah!

Want to manipualte the system, you naughty boy ;-O. Shame on you...

Maybe you can increase/upregulate certain enzymes, so that more T is
converted to DHT and E.

And T-levels will be lower

--
Pete

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:

>> Decrease frequency, one assumes.

> I'd probably rather have 100mg every two weeks than 200mg every month.

Thats 5-6 half lives. Insane.

> I'm
> noticing a big swing between just two weeks.

You really should convince her to inject more frequently.

Anything between 6-10 days. Trust me.

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Pete

"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:
>
> > Correction! I had three injections of 200mg and only two injections of
> > 300mg! Never even had 400mg at once. I'm wondering what the doc is going
> > to
> > say now :-\
>
> Did you get both the 200 and 300 shots every week or every 2 weeks?

No... she started it on 200 per week then went to 300 cause I kept
complaining.

> And why the change from 200 to 300? It doesnt make much sense. They
usually
> change the interval/frequency, not the dosage. (actually, the dosage is
> *dictated* by the frequency...)

Cause I'm a good complainer. She wasn't going to do it weekly, so I asked
for more at once. I'm like a roller coaster now.

> What was the actual schedule? Both dosage and frequency.

Right now its 300 every other week. Maybe she'd do 100 every week.. I'm
going to see her on Friday. Maybe I can convince her to do that.

Richard

> --
> Pete
>
>
>
>
>

"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:
>
> > Just an update.. I've gone from 280 to 1308 with just 5 injections of
> > 400mg
> > of depo-testosterone.
>
> 400 weekly?
>
> > Testosterone, Serum: 1308 HIGH (range 241 to 827)
> > Testosterone, Free: 41.1 HIGH (range 8.7 to 25.1)
>
> > My doctor did this to me
>
> Good doctor.
>
> > If I could just hide these results from her..
>
> A woman !?!?!?

yep! I've been to several male doctors, NONE of whom offered T. Then I had
three women doctors offer it up without me even asking. Its like a pet
project or experiment for a womon doctor to give testosterone to a man. The
latest doctor isn't too bad looking, but the one before her gave me the
creeps - she kept examining my balls, so I had to get away from that clinic
before my balls wound up in a jar.

> > I know she's going to cut me
> > down to 200mg or less
>
> Ah!
>
> Want to manipualte the system, you naughty boy ;-O. Shame on you...
>
> Maybe you can increase/upregulate certain enzymes, so that more T is
> converted to DHT and E.

My hair is already almost gone !!

Richard


> And T-levels will be lower
>
> --
> Pete
>
>

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:

>> And why the change from 200 to 300? It doesnt make much sense. They
>> usually change the interval/frequency, not the dosage. (actually, the
>> dosage is
>> *dictated* by the frequency...)

>> What was the actual schedule? Both dosage and frequency.

> Right now its 300 every other week. Maybe she'd do 100 every week.. I'm
> going to see her on Friday. Maybe I can convince her to do that.

If you see her every other week, then after you get a shot for 300 (every
other week) go home and immediately inject some test prop. And do that
every OD until 5 days before you see her again.

As weird as it may sound, those high test levels in the initial week and
halfway through the second week, will help getting a lower reading when you
see her again.

Best thing, IMO, is to convince her to give 200 each week. If possible. Or
stay at 300 EOW.


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Pete

"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:
>
> >> And why the change from 200 to 300? It doesnt make much sense. They
> >> usually change the interval/frequency, not the dosage. (actually, the
> >> dosage is
> >> *dictated* by the frequency...)
>
> >> What was the actual schedule? Both dosage and frequency.
>
> > Right now its 300 every other week. Maybe she'd do 100 every week.. I'm
> > going to see her on Friday. Maybe I can convince her to do that.
>
> If you see her every other week, then after you get a shot for 300 (every
> other week) go home and immediately inject some test prop. And do that
> every OD until 5 days before you see her again.
>
> As weird as it may sound, those high test levels in the initial week and
> halfway through the second week, will help getting a lower reading when
you
> see her again.
>
> Best thing, IMO, is to convince her to give 200 each week. If possible. Or
> stay at 300 EOW.

Thanks for the info. And I'll post what happens Friday in this thread... it
should be interesting!

Richard

>
> --
> Pete
>
>

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
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> "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
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> > "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:
> >
> > >> And why the change from 200 to 300? It doesnt make much sense. They
> > >> usually change the interval/frequency, not the dosage. (actually, the
> > >> dosage is
> > >> *dictated* by the frequency...)
> >
> > >> What was the actual schedule? Both dosage and frequency.
> >
> > > Right now its 300 every other week. Maybe she'd do 100 every week..
I'm
> > > going to see her on Friday. Maybe I can convince her to do that.
> >
> > If you see her every other week, then after you get a shot for 300
(every
> > other week) go home and immediately inject some test prop. And do that
> > every OD until 5 days before you see her again.
> >
> > As weird as it may sound, those high test levels in the initial week and
> > halfway through the second week, will help getting a lower reading when
> you
> > see her again.
> >
> > Best thing, IMO, is to convince her to give 200 each week. If possible.
Or
> > stay at 300 EOW.
>
> Thanks for the info. And I'll post what happens Friday in this thread...
it
> should be interesting!

Update: I'm getting 200 per week now. She wasn't concerened the levels were
just a little too high. Wasn't expecting her to say that.. but its GOOD NEWS
for me. I'm looking for new daily exercise routines and I'm doing more
cardio now.

> Richard
>
> >
> > --
> > Pete
> >
> >
>
>

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:

> Update: I'm getting 200 per week now. She wasn't concerened the levels
> were
> just a little too high. Wasn't expecting her to say that.. but its GOOD
> NEWS
> for me. I'm looking for new daily exercise routines and I'm doing more
> cardio now.

Try to up the calories a bit.

Expect a weight gain of aprox. 20 pounds the following 4-6 months.

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Pete