Depression

Is anxiety and Depression are related to each other. If not what are
the major differences bettween them. Can we prevent depression and
anxiety through exercises.

Dnia 2008-04-15 Bruce napisa³(a):
> Is anxiety and Depression are related to each other.

They coexist often.

> If not what are the major differences bettween them.

While depressed you feel moody, unworthy, it's hard to do anything,
nothing gives you pleasure, low sex drive etc. With anxiety you tend to
panic in certain situations. Sweaty hands, increased pulse, you feel
threatened - stuff like that.

> Can we prevent depression and anxiety through exercises.

Nothing cures this stuff, but exercise actually works. That is the
symptoms one suffers are less severe. I'm maniacally depressive and I
tried both ways, that is training and not training. After several tries
I'm positive, that training helps a lot.

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Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2008-04-15 Bruce napisa³(a):
>> Is anxiety and Depression are related to each other.
>
> They coexist often.

Yes, recent research has shown that they are closely related. Even
neurochemically related.

>
>> If not what are the major differences bettween them.
>
> While depressed you feel moody, unworthy, it's hard to do anything,
> nothing gives you pleasure, low sex drive etc. With anxiety you tend to
> panic in certain situations. Sweaty hands, increased pulse, you feel
> threatened - stuff like that.

No, panic disorders and anxiety disorders are distinct.

>
>> Can we prevent depression and anxiety through exercises.
>
> Nothing cures this stuff, but exercise actually works. That is the
> symptoms one suffers are less severe.

Well, they CAN be less severe in SOME people. Like you said, there is no
cure. Not only is there direct neurochemical benefit in mild to moderate
cases, the added structure to the day imposed by an exercise routine
also creates an environment that is better suited to dealing with
chronic anxiety and depressive disorders.

> I'm maniacally depressive

Is this an ESL translation error?

> and I
> tried both ways, that is training and not training. After several tries
> I'm positive, that training helps a lot.

Heartily agreed.

Ari


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Bruce <parkerbruce50@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is anxiety and Depression are related to each other. If not what are
> the major differences bettween them. Can we prevent depression and
> anxiety through exercises.

Weight lifting boosts natural endorphin levels.
Not only is it most excellent for depression (especially if you lift
HEAVY), it's also good for pain control.
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Dnia 2008-04-15 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> Dnia 2008-04-15 Bruce napisa³(a):
>>> Is anxiety and Depression are related to each other.
>>
>> They coexist often.
>
> Yes, recent research has shown that they are closely related. Even
> neurochemically related.
>
>>
>>> If not what are the major differences bettween them.
>>
>> While depressed you feel moody, unworthy, it's hard to do anything,
>> nothing gives you pleasure, low sex drive etc. With anxiety you tend to
>> panic in certain situations. Sweaty hands, increased pulse, you feel
>> threatened - stuff like that.
>
> No, panic disorders and anxiety disorders are distinct.

I didn't write that they are not. Anyway, if you have more symptoms of
one kind and less of another, you get classified accordingly. That's
it.

>>> Can we prevent depression and anxiety through exercises.
>>
>> Nothing cures this stuff, but exercise actually works. That is the
>> symptoms one suffers are less severe.
>
> Well, they CAN be less severe in SOME people. Like you said, there is no
> cure. Not only is there direct neurochemical benefit in mild to moderate
> cases, the added structure to the day imposed by an exercise routine
> also creates an environment that is better suited to dealing with
> chronic anxiety and depressive disorders.

Maybe, but actually I believe that training is one of the very few
regulatory mechanisms which I can control, so the main benefit is that I
can increase it or decrease according to need. If I'm having a low
tide, I can train lighter for a while, and I effectively decreased the
amount of overall stress, so it helps to be adopted to hard training.
For mania it helps too. You can basically drain yourself with training.

>> I'm maniacally depressive
>
> Is this an ESL translation error?

What is ESL? Anyway, I simply prefer the older name. "Manic depression is
touching my soul" (Hendrix) sounds way better than "Bipolar disorder II is
touching my soul". ;-)

>> and I
>> tried both ways, that is training and not training. After several tries
>> I'm positive, that training helps a lot.
>
> Heartily agreed.

Yes, it works, but I wouldn't try to force it on someone who is actually
depressed. Slow and steady, bit by bit, a little a day and so on.
Trying to train hard while in major depression sucks majorly...

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dnia 2008-04-15 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> I'm maniacally depressive
>>
>> Is this an ESL translation error?
>
> What is ESL? Anyway, I simply prefer the older name. "Manic depression is
> touching my soul" (Hendrix) sounds way better than "Bipolar disorder II is
> touching my soul". ;-)

That Hendrix dude seems too enthusiastically indifferent about that.

"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:213ed5-0s7.ln1@bakters.bandit.home...
> Dnia 2008-04-15 Bruce napisa³(a):
>> Is anxiety and Depression are related to each other.
>
> They coexist often.
>
>> If not what are the major differences bettween them.
>
> While depressed you feel moody, unworthy, it's hard to do anything,
> nothing gives you pleasure, low sex drive etc. With anxiety you tend to
> panic in certain situations. Sweaty hands, increased pulse, you feel
> threatened - stuff like that.
>
>> Can we prevent depression and anxiety through exercises.
>
> Nothing cures this stuff, but exercise actually works. That is the
> symptoms one suffers are less severe. I'm maniacally depressive and I
> tried both ways, that is training and not training. After several tries
> I'm positive, that training helps a lot.
>
> --
> Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Exercise, particularly hard cardio, produces endorphins, which tend to be a
natural antidepressant.

Homer Simpson <homersimpson@springfield.com> wrote:
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote
>> Dnia 2008-04-15 Bruce napisa³(a):
>>> Is anxiety and Depression are related to each other.
>>
>> They coexist often.
>>
>>> If not what are the major differences bettween them.
>>
>> While depressed you feel moody, unworthy, it's hard to do anything,
>> nothing gives you pleasure, low sex drive etc. With anxiety you tend to
>> panic in certain situations. Sweaty hands, increased pulse, you feel
>> threatened - stuff like that.
>>
>>> Can we prevent depression and anxiety through exercises.
>>
>> Nothing cures this stuff, but exercise actually works. That is the
>> symptoms one suffers are less severe. I'm maniacally depressive and I
>> tried both ways, that is training and not training. After several tries
>> I'm positive, that training helps a lot.
>
> Exercise, particularly hard cardio, produces endorphins, which tend to be a
> natural antidepressant.

This is known as "endorphin hypothesis", but it's not a
certainty. Those are shown to be produced peripherally during the
exercise but not in the brain, where it's hard to measure. There are
also some arguments that the expected effects would be not what is
seen. There is another theory with what looks like better support,
that it's some pot-like stuff instead (endocannabinoids).

Dnia 2008-04-15 DZ napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dnia 2008-04-15 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>>> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> I'm maniacally depressive
>>>
>>> Is this an ESL translation error?
>>
>> What is ESL? Anyway, I simply prefer the older name. "Manic depression is
>> touching my soul" (Hendrix) sounds way better than "Bipolar disorder II is
>> touching my soul". ;-)
>
> That Hendrix dude seems too enthusiastically indifferent about that.

Thanks. I'm trying my best.

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Andrzej Rosa 1127R

"DZ" <738@1585310228.3038813272.20411.12570.3572> wrote in message
news:19600@218366257.247414401.31283.31815.19828.. .
> Homer Simpson <homersimpson@springfield.com> wrote:
>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> Dnia 2008-04-15 Bruce napisa³(a):
>>>> Is anxiety and Depression are related to each other.
>>>
>>> They coexist often.
>>>
>>>> If not what are the major differences bettween them.
>>>
>>> While depressed you feel moody, unworthy, it's hard to do anything,
>>> nothing gives you pleasure, low sex drive etc. With anxiety you tend to
>>> panic in certain situations. Sweaty hands, increased pulse, you feel
>>> threatened - stuff like that.
>>>
>>>> Can we prevent depression and anxiety through exercises.
>>>
>>> Nothing cures this stuff, but exercise actually works. That is the
>>> symptoms one suffers are less severe. I'm maniacally depressive and I
>>> tried both ways, that is training and not training. After several tries
>>> I'm positive, that training helps a lot.
>>
>> Exercise, particularly hard cardio, produces endorphins, which tend to be
>> a
>> natural antidepressant.
>
> This is known as "endorphin hypothesis", but it's not a
> certainty. Those are shown to be produced peripherally during the
> exercise but not in the brain, where it's hard to measure. There are
> also some arguments that the expected effects would be not what is
> seen. There is another theory with what looks like better support,
> that it's some pot-like stuff instead (endocannabinoids).

Oddly enough I get the "runners high" from vigorous bicycling outside. But
no matter how hard I push my cardio indoors I never get it.

Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2008-04-15 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>>> Dnia 2008-04-15 Bruce napisa³(a):
>>>> Is anxiety and Depression are related to each other.
>>> They coexist often.
>> Yes, recent research has shown that they are closely related. Even
>> neurochemically related.
>>
>>>> If not what are the major differences bettween them.
>>> While depressed you feel moody, unworthy, it's hard to do anything,
>>> nothing gives you pleasure, low sex drive etc. With anxiety you tend to
>>> panic in certain situations. Sweaty hands, increased pulse, you feel
>>> threatened - stuff like that.
>> No, panic disorders and anxiety disorders are distinct.
>
> I didn't write that they are not. Anyway, if you have more symptoms of
> one kind and less of another, you get classified accordingly. That's
> it.

Well, no, that's not it. Panic is far different to anxiety - you
actually have to have panic attacks to have a panic disorder! Panic
attacks are not the same as being very anxious - people suffering from
them find them painful (for want of a better term for psychic pain) and
there's a host of physical symptoms as well. Anxiety is like a smolder
that slowly burns you down, panic is like spontaneous combustion

>
>>>> Can we prevent depression and anxiety through exercises.
>>> Nothing cures this stuff, but exercise actually works. That is the
>>> symptoms one suffers are less severe.
>> Well, they CAN be less severe in SOME people. Like you said, there is no
>> cure. Not only is there direct neurochemical benefit in mild to moderate
>> cases, the added structure to the day imposed by an exercise routine
>> also creates an environment that is better suited to dealing with
>> chronic anxiety and depressive disorders.
>
> Maybe, but actually I believe that training is one of the very few
> regulatory mechanisms which I can control, so the main benefit is that I
> can increase it or decrease according to need. If I'm having a low
> tide, I can train lighter for a while, and I effectively decreased the
> amount of overall stress, so it helps to be adopted to hard training.
> For mania it helps too. You can basically drain yourself with training.
>
>>> I'm maniacally depressive
>> Is this an ESL translation error?
>
> What is ESL? Anyway, I simply prefer the older name. "Manic depression is
> touching my soul" (Hendrix) sounds way better than "Bipolar disorder II is
> touching my soul". ;-)

Yes, but there's manic depressive disorder and maniacally depressive
disorder

>
>>> and I
>>> tried both ways, that is training and not training. After several tries
>>> I'm positive, that training helps a lot.
>> Heartily agreed.
>
> Yes, it works, but I wouldn't try to force it on someone who is actually
> depressed. Slow and steady, bit by bit, a little a day and so on.
> Trying to train hard while in major depression sucks majorly...
>


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Homer Simpson wrote:
> "DZ" <738@1585310228.3038813272.20411.12570.3572> wrote in message
> news:19600@218366257.247414401.31283.31815.19828.. .
>> Homer Simpson <homersimpson@springfield.com> wrote:
>>> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> Dnia 2008-04-15 Bruce napisa³(a):
>>>>> Is anxiety and Depression are related to each other.
>>>> They coexist often.
>>>>
>>>>> If not what are the major differences bettween them.
>>>> While depressed you feel moody, unworthy, it's hard to do anything,
>>>> nothing gives you pleasure, low sex drive etc. With anxiety you tend to
>>>> panic in certain situations. Sweaty hands, increased pulse, you feel
>>>> threatened - stuff like that.
>>>>
>>>>> Can we prevent depression and anxiety through exercises.
>>>> Nothing cures this stuff, but exercise actually works. That is the
>>>> symptoms one suffers are less severe. I'm maniacally depressive and I
>>>> tried both ways, that is training and not training. After several tries
>>>> I'm positive, that training helps a lot.
>>> Exercise, particularly hard cardio, produces endorphins, which tend to be
>>> a
>>> natural antidepressant.
>> This is known as "endorphin hypothesis", but it's not a
>> certainty. Those are shown to be produced peripherally during the
>> exercise but not in the brain, where it's hard to measure. There are
>> also some arguments that the expected effects would be not what is
>> seen. There is another theory with what looks like better support,
>> that it's some pot-like stuff instead (endocannabinoids).
>
> Oddly enough I get the "runners high" from vigorous bicycling outside. But
> no matter how hard I push my cardio indoors I never get it.
>
>

Pollution induced hypoxia?

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"Homer Simpson" <homersimpson@springfield.com> wrote in message
.....
> Exercise, particularly hard cardio, produces endorphins, which tend to be
> a natural antidepressant.

About 10 yrs ago I was depressed after losing my brother in a plane crash
and handling his mess of an estate, then losing my girlfriend (she didn't
die, she just moved out). I could barely get myself to move and stayed that
way for awhile but I eventually forced myself back to the gym. I was still
depressed for a long time but going to the gym helped make things better in
a number of ways. If nothing else, getting off my ass and moving heavy (for
me) things with a lot of people around took my mind off the bad stuff for
awhile.

Dnia 2008-04-15 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> Dnia 2008-04-15 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>>>
>>>>> If not what are the major differences bettween them.
>>>> While depressed you feel moody, unworthy, it's hard to do anything,
>>>> nothing gives you pleasure, low sex drive etc. With anxiety you tend to
>>>> panic in certain situations. Sweaty hands, increased pulse, you feel
>>>> threatened - stuff like that.
>>> No, panic disorders and anxiety disorders are distinct.
>>
>> I didn't write that they are not. Anyway, if you have more symptoms of
>> one kind and less of another, you get classified accordingly. That's
>> it.
>
> Well, no, that's not it. Panic is far different to anxiety - you
> actually have to have panic attacks to have a panic disorder! Panic
> attacks are not the same as being very anxious - people suffering from
> them find them painful (for want of a better term for psychic pain) and
> there's a host of physical symptoms as well. Anxiety is like a smolder
> that slowly burns you down, panic is like spontaneous combustion

You are trying to put order into disorderly matters. ;-) Anyway, if you
smolder there is a fair chance that you'll burst into flames when the
right wind blows. And you do.

>>>> I'm maniacally depressive
>>> Is this an ESL translation error?
>>
>> What is ESL? Anyway, I simply prefer the older name. "Manic depression is
>> touching my soul" (Hendrix) sounds way better than "Bipolar disorder II is
>> touching my soul". ;-)
>
> Yes, but there's manic depressive disorder and maniacally depressive
> disorder

Is there? I did a quick search, but haven't found anything. I'd be
glad to see what kind of beast it is.

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Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2008-04-15 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:

>>>>> I'm maniacally depressive
>>>> Is this an ESL translation error?
>>> What is ESL? Anyway, I simply prefer the older name. "Manic depression is
>>> touching my soul" (Hendrix) sounds way better than "Bipolar disorder II is
>>> touching my soul". ;-)
>> Yes, but there's manic depressive disorder and maniacally depressive
>> disorder
>
> Is there? I did a quick search, but haven't found anything. I'd be
> glad to see what kind of beast it is.
>
> [...]

You tell me, I was quoting you!

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Dnia 2008-04-16 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> Dnia 2008-04-15 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>
>>>>>> I'm maniacally depressive
>>>>> Is this an ESL translation error?
>>>> What is ESL? Anyway, I simply prefer the older name. "Manic depression is
>>>> touching my soul" (Hendrix) sounds way better than "Bipolar disorder II is
>>>> touching my soul". ;-)
>>> Yes, but there's manic depressive disorder and maniacally depressive
>>> disorder
>>
>> Is there? I did a quick search, but haven't found anything. I'd be
>> glad to see what kind of beast it is.
>>
>> [...]
>
> You tell me, I was quoting you!

Oh, you mean a joke? That stuff you write to have a laugh? Still do
not get it.

Anyway, if I'm suffering from manic depression I'm maniacally
depressive, am I not?

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On Apr 16, 4:01*pm, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dnia 2008-04-16 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
>
>
>
>
>
> > Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> >> Dnia 2008-04-15 spodosaurus napisa³(a):
> >>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>
> >>>>>> I'm maniacally depressive
> >>>>> Is this an ESL translation error?
> >>>> What is ESL? *Anyway, I simply prefer the older name. *"Manic depression is
> >>>> touching my soul" (Hendrix) sounds way better than "Bipolar disorder II is
> >>>> touching my soul". ;-)
> >>> Yes, but there's manic depressive disorder and maniacally depressive
> >>> disorder
>
> >> Is there? *I did a quick search, but haven't found anything. *I'd be
> >> glad to see what kind of beast it is.
>
> >> [...]
>
> > You tell me, I was quoting you!
>
> Oh, you mean a joke? *That stuff you write to have a laugh? *Still do
> not get it.
>
> Anyway, if I'm suffering from manic depression I'm maniacally
> depressive, am I not?
>

No, you would just be manic depressive. If you were maniacally
depressive, you would be depressed in an energetic fashion.

Dnia 2008-04-16 escribo@gmail.com napisa³(a):
> On Apr 16, 4:01*pm, Andrzej Rosa <bakt...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > You tell me, I was quoting you!
>>
>> Oh, you mean a joke? *That stuff you write to have a laugh? *Still do
>> not get it.
>>
>> Anyway, if I'm suffering from manic depression I'm maniacally
>> depressive, am I not?
>
> No, you would just be manic depressive. If you were maniacally
> depressive, you would be depressed in an energetic fashion.

Thanks. Actually there is a symptom like that (but not a separate
disorder) and I had it before. In new-speak they call it mixed state.
I'm basically free from the worst symptoms like that since I'm training.

(With the exception of one hypomanic and one depression episode which
got me after several months of not training - I was injured both times
and I took a break. Not lifting related injuries, btw.)

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