DHT debunked

On May 21, 2:52*pm, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
<trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 20, 6:47*am, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote:
> > > On May 16, 1:27 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >> Taka wrote:
> > >>> I can confirm the correctness of the following article from at least2
> > >>> additional sources. *In a nutshell, DHT and progesterone are the good
> > >>> hormones because they are opposing the growth promoting/oxidative
> > >>> stress inducing properties of estrogen in men and women,
> > >>> respectively. *They have also pro-apoptotic properties which may help
> > >>> killing precancerous cells (in addition to e.g. hair follicles in the
> > >>> case of DHT). *So all men praise you balding scalp and you will be
> > >>> rewarded with cancer and BPH protection!
> > >> * *DHT is a good thing because it kills hair follicles?
>
> > >> --
> > >> Marshall Price of Miami
> > >> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
>
> > > The two points I have in mind on the subject are these:
> > > First people who desire to save their hair by taking
> > > anti-DHT med are being foolish in that while they preserve
> > > their mane and their appearance to the opposite sex, they
> > > may end up being unable to respond sexually.
> > > Second, the concern about DHT is because the
> > > Doc have an anti-DHT med that has been
> > > promoted by a Big Drug company.
>
> > * *I don't understand the second. *Which "concern about DHT"? *What's
> > "the Doc"? *So what if the "anti-DHT med" has been promoted?
>
> > * *(I don't give a damn about my appearance; it's my health I'm worried
> > about. *Don't care about sex, either.)
>
> > --
> > Marshall Price of Miami
> > Known to Yahoo as d021317c
>
> Doc = Doctor = physician
> I suppose I watched Bugs Bunny on the television too much
> as a kid. One of his tag lines was "What's up Doc."
>
> Anti-DHT meds = finasteride and dutasteride
> These two meds are antiandrogens which acts by inhibiting type II 5-
> alpha reductase.
> (meds = medications)

From what I have learned, an antiandrogen prevents T from binding to
the receptor. A 5AR inhibitor only prevents the conversion of T to
DHT. Finasteride actually raises T levels slightly and does not block
it in any way, as far as I know. So I am not so sure that it would be
classifieds as an antiandrogen.

On May 25, 2:24*pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ted wrote:
> > On May 20, 9:48 am, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Ted wrote:
> >>> On May 17, 1:19 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
> >>> <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On May 16, 1:27 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>> Taka wrote:
> >>>>>> I can confirm the correctness of the following article from at least 2
> >>>>>> additional sources. *In a nutshell, DHT and progesterone are the good
> >>>>>> hormones because they are opposing the growth promoting/oxidative
> >>>>>> stress inducing properties of estrogen in men and women,
> >>>>>> respectively. *They have also pro-apoptotic properties which may help
> >>>>>> killing precancerous cells (in addition to e.g. hair follicles in the
> >>>>>> case of DHT). *So all men praise you balding scalp and you will be
> >>>>>> rewarded with cancer and BPH protection!
> >>>>> * *DHT is a good thing because it kills hair follicles?
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Marshall Price of Miami
> >>>>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
> >>>> The two points I have in mind on the subject are these:
> >>>> First people who desire to save their hair by taking
> >>>> anti-DHT med are being foolish in that while they preserve
> >>>> their mane and their appearance to the opposite sex, they
> >>>> may end up being unable to respond sexually.
> >>>> Second, the concern about DHT is because the
> >>>> Doc have an anti-DHT med that has been
> >>>> promoted by a Big Drug company.
> >>> Side effects were almost the same in the placebo group in finasteride
> >>> trials, A quick google search....http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/
> >>> finas_ad.htm And I have also read that out of the few people that did
> >>> get them, most of them found that the side effects subsided over a
> >>> period of time.
> >>> DHT does cause hair follicles to shrink over time and blocking it
> >>> prevents MPB. There have been twin castration studies too where the
> >>> twin who is castrated before puberty does not go bald.
> >> * *MPB?
>
> >> --
> >> Marshall Price of Miami
> >> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
>
> > Male Pattern Baldness
>
> * *I'm reading a fascinating book right now, /Molecules of Emotion/ by
> neuroscientist Candace B. Pert. *She says that neurotransmitters "are
> just one part of a much more far-flung network of information carried by
> neuropeptides and their bodywide receptors. *We are now ready to explore
> my theory that these biochemicals are the physiological substrates of
> emotion, the molecular underpinnings of what we experience as feelings,
> sensations, thoughts, drives, perhaps even spirit or soul."
>
> * *In other words, she expands upon the (implicit) conventional
> understanding of the physiology of emotions as simply involving
> electrical activity among neurons in the brain. *Instead, she includes
> not only locally-acting neurotransmitters, but numerous peptide ligands
> and receptors throughout the body as involved essentially in the
> phenomena of emotions.
>
> * *Surely, both testosterone and dihydrotestosterone must affect our
> emotions somehow. *I wonder how.
>
> * *I wonder, also, how and when they are cleared from the bloodstream,
> and whether the assumptions you make above might be flawed, or at least
> less universal than you suppose, that is, that the "good" properties you
> mention actually are good -- at all times, and in all places and
> circumstances.
>
> --
> Marshall Price of Miami
> Known to Yahoo as d021317c

Well I guess there is a benefit to risk ratio. I have been taking
finasteride since 1994 and have never noticed any side effects. I know
that T has some benefits, and that should be increased with
finasteride. So I am okay in that respect.

Ted wrote:
> On May 25, 2:24 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Ted wrote:
>>> On May 20, 9:48 am, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Ted wrote:
>>>>> On May 17, 1:19 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
>>>>> <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On May 16, 1:27 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> Taka wrote:
>>>>>>>> I can confirm the correctness of the following article from at least 2
>>>>>>>> additional sources. In a nutshell, DHT and progesterone are the good
>>>>>>>> hormones because they are opposing the growth promoting/oxidative
>>>>>>>> stress inducing properties of estrogen in men and women,
>>>>>>>> respectively. They have also pro-apoptotic properties which may help
>>>>>>>> killing precancerous cells (in addition to e.g. hair follicles in the
>>>>>>>> case of DHT). So all men praise you balding scalp and you will be
>>>>>>>> rewarded with cancer and BPH protection!
>>>>>>> DHT is a good thing because it kills hair follicles?
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Marshall Price of Miami
>>>>>>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
>>>>>> The two points I have in mind on the subject are these:
>>>>>> First people who desire to save their hair by taking
>>>>>> anti-DHT med are being foolish in that while they preserve
>>>>>> their mane and their appearance to the opposite sex, they
>>>>>> may end up being unable to respond sexually.
>>>>>> Second, the concern about DHT is because the
>>>>>> Doc have an anti-DHT med that has been
>>>>>> promoted by a Big Drug company.
>>>>> Side effects were almost the same in the placebo group in finasteride
>>>>> trials, A quick google search....http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/
>>>>> finas_ad.htm And I have also read that out of the few people that did
>>>>> get them, most of them found that the side effects subsided over a
>>>>> period of time.
>>>>> DHT does cause hair follicles to shrink over time and blocking it
>>>>> prevents MPB. There have been twin castration studies too where the
>>>>> twin who is castrated before puberty does not go bald.
>>>> MPB?
>>>> --
>>>> Marshall Price of Miami
>>>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
>>> Male Pattern Baldness
>> I'm reading a fascinating book right now, /Molecules of Emotion/ by
>> neuroscientist Candace B. Pert. She says that neurotransmitters "are
>> just one part of a much more far-flung network of information carried by
>> neuropeptides and their bodywide receptors. We are now ready to explore
>> my theory that these biochemicals are the physiological substrates of
>> emotion, the molecular underpinnings of what we experience as feelings,
>> sensations, thoughts, drives, perhaps even spirit or soul."
>>
>> In other words, she expands upon the (implicit) conventional
>> understanding of the physiology of emotions as simply involving
>> electrical activity among neurons in the brain. Instead, she includes
>> not only locally-acting neurotransmitters, but numerous peptide ligands
>> and receptors throughout the body as involved essentially in the
>> phenomena of emotions.
>>
>> Surely, both testosterone and dihydrotestosterone must affect our
>> emotions somehow. I wonder how.
>>
>> I wonder, also, how and when they are cleared from the bloodstream,
>> and whether the assumptions you make above might be flawed, or at least
>> less universal than you suppose, that is, that the "good" properties you
>> mention actually are good -- at all times, and in all places and
>> circumstances.
>
> Well I guess there is a benefit to risk ratio. I have been taking
> finasteride since 1994 and have never noticed any side effects. I know
> that T has some benefits, and that should be increased with
> finasteride. So I am okay in that respect.

What are the desired effects of finasteride supplementation? Have
you noticed any change in your emotions which might be attributable
directly to finasteride or testosterone?

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trigonometry1972@gmail.com | wrote:
> I suppose there is the causation versus correlation issue.
> Hopefully we can choose to disagree here.

Is this a response to something?

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trigonometry1972@gmail.com | wrote:
> On May 25, 2:30 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Taka wrote:
>>> On May 22, 4:12 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
>>> <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Further, I am considering avoiding tomatoes, garlic and any other
>>>> food known to lower T or DHT. I doubt they are the primary
>>>> problem in overall health. Plus I've taken a dietary step that is
>>>> said to lower estradiol levels that is the use of a very
>>>> generous dose of betaine (N-trimethylglycine).
>>> AFAIK garlic can help the sexual issues a lot because it has
>>> vasodilatatory effects. It's not all about the DHT effects ...
>> My friend says it prevents prostate trouble, and I should keep taking
>> it forever. But he's full of claims for it.
>>
>> I like it mainly because I have an untreated cavity, and it seems to
>> halt incipient toothaches. But it makes a nice substitute for chewing
>> gum, too. It keeps saliva flowing and seems to improve my digestion.
>>
>> Calves liver (even in tablet form) seems to stop toothaches, too. It
>> and garlic are the only things which work for me.
>>
>> My friend says because he sucks garlic, he's never had a cavity and
>> never brushes his teeth, either. (I brush my teeth a lot; I enjoy doing
>> it.)
>>
>> --
>> Marshall Price of Miami
>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
>
> LOL I know a man just like your friend at least on the topic of
> garlic.
> He is a good guy though he lacks an education. I guess
> I that his comments with a grain of salt on this topic.
>
> Sometimes he has the odor of garlic. At least he doesn't oven
> dry garlic in his home, like one elderly man I know years ago.
> Whew not good.

Just spoke to my friend last night. Apparently, he does brush his
teeth occasionally to prevent the cigarette smoke from turning them
orange, but still claims he doesn't have to! :-)

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trigonometry1972@gmail.com | wrote:
>> I don't have any betaine and know nothing about estradiol. Does soy
>> sauce raise it?
>>
>> --
>> Marshall Price of Miami
>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
>
> Soy isoflavones have estrogen like properties. However there are
> different schools of thought on the topic. Some feel soy
> isoflavones help to control estrogen levels and help speed
> the metabolization of estrogens and others say the opposite
> that it increases the estrogenic balance.
> Perhaps a little is good and a lot is
> bad?

I knew that soybeans have estrogen-like properties, but haven't given
it much thought, nor to the similar properties of shrimp, mainly because
I don't eat them often. As far as I know, estrogen doesn't actually
interfere with androgens.

About betaine, I just realized I have some canned beets on hand, so I
ate some!

About canned foods in general, I've discovered that all (or at least
most) cans are lined with polycarbonates, which may give off bisphenol
A, which may be worse than the government is letting on. Also, some
people in discussion groups focussed on GI problems recommend avoiding
all canned foods. For better or worse, I eat lots of them.

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trigonometry1972@gmail.com | wrote:
> On May 25, 2:53 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> trigonometry1...@gmail.com | wrote:
>>>> I just started eating eggs again last week (for cholesterol, sulfur,
>>>> lecithin, and methionine), and I bought some coconut oil and am putting
>>>> it on scrambled eggs along with curry powder. I don't know what to
>>>> expect, but I'm hoping for a change!
>>> I won't expect any change. For starters eggs are a highly
>>> inflammatory food. The coconut grease wouldn't
>>> contribute further to this problem unlike canola, corn,
>>> sunflower or soya oil. Eggs are a rich source
>>> of archidonic fatty acid as is FARMED salmon
>>> a reason to avoid both. A home raised egg
>>> from a bird given the run of a green yard area
>>> might be somewhat better.
>> I don't have any reason to worry about inflammation, as far as I
>> know. I avoid farmed salmon, but eat wild salmon occasionally. (Ditto
>> salmon oil.)
>>
>> I recently read Mercola's ideas about raw egg yolks and recall that I
>> used to love soft-boiled eggs, and even better, coddled eggs. So I plan
>> to stop the scrambling, even though it's easier to accomplish in the
>> microwave.
>>
>> Perricone, too, warned against eggs as pro-inflammatory, but I'm
>> taking several things (thioctic acid, ascorbyl palmitate, DMAE,
>> pyridoxine, pantothenate, turmeric, etc.) that are anti-inflammatory anyway.
>>
>> I like extra virgin olive oil, and Ray Peat seems to give it the
>> thumbs up. It's more in line with conventional thinking than coconut oil.
>>
>> --
>> Marshall Price of Miami
>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
>
> It seems we are working with mostly of the same variables.
> I have had little to do with coconut oil but I used lots of fresh
> coconut meat and dried coconut. Eating coconut seems
> to suppress hunger more than other foods.
>
> I suspect the worst egg products are those that contain
> dried eggs such as found in many processed food.
> I am on the fence about eggs as while they are
> a proinflammatory food, they also contain a fair
> amount of vitamin K and sulfur containing amino acid
> (I think you mentioned that back earlier in the thread).
>
> I also use olive oil. It is an ancient food stuff

"Extra virgin olive oil" is defined by law. I doubt whether putting
"organic extra virgin coconut oil" on a label is regulated in any way,
but that's what the Vitamin Shoppe product I bought says. Apparently,
it does make a difference. I haven't really gotten into using it much,
though.

Incidentally, when I called the store, they didn't realize that it
melts when you remove it from the air conditioning! So does coconut
paste, which says on the package to keep it "in a cool place."

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On Jun 2, 1:55 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ted wrote:
> > On May 25, 2:24 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Ted wrote:
> >>> On May 20, 9:48 am, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> Ted wrote:
> >>>>> On May 17, 1:19 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
> >>>>> <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> On May 16, 1:27 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Taka wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I can confirm the correctness of the following article from at least 2
> >>>>>>>> additional sources. In a nutshell, DHT and progesterone are the good
> >>>>>>>> hormones because they are opposing the growth promoting/oxidative
> >>>>>>>> stress inducing properties of estrogen in men and women,
> >>>>>>>> respectively. They have also pro-apoptotic properties which may help
> >>>>>>>> killing precancerous cells (in addition to e.g. hair follicles in the
> >>>>>>>> case of DHT). So all men praise you balding scalp and you will be
> >>>>>>>> rewarded with cancer and BPH protection!
> >>>>>>> DHT is a good thing because it kills hair follicles?
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Marshall Price of Miami
> >>>>>>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
> >>>>>> The two points I have in mind on the subject are these:
> >>>>>> First people who desire to save their hair by taking
> >>>>>> anti-DHT med are being foolish in that while they preserve
> >>>>>> their mane and their appearance to the opposite sex, they
> >>>>>> may end up being unable to respond sexually.
> >>>>>> Second, the concern about DHT is because the
> >>>>>> Doc have an anti-DHT med that has been
> >>>>>> promoted by a Big Drug company.
> >>>>> Side effects were almost the same in the placebo group in finasteride
> >>>>> trials, A quick google search....http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/
> >>>>> finas_ad.htm And I have also read that out of the few people that did
> >>>>> get them, most of them found that the side effects subsided over a
> >>>>> period of time.
> >>>>> DHT does cause hair follicles to shrink over time and blocking it
> >>>>> prevents MPB. There have been twin castration studies too where the
> >>>>> twin who is castrated before puberty does not go bald.
> >>>> MPB?
> >>>> --
> >>>> Marshall Price of Miami
> >>>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
> >>> Male Pattern Baldness
> >> I'm reading a fascinating book right now, /Molecules of Emotion/ by
> >> neuroscientist Candace B. Pert. She says that neurotransmitters "are
> >> just one part of a much more far-flung network of information carried by
> >> neuropeptides and their bodywide receptors. We are now ready to explore
> >> my theory that these biochemicals are the physiological substrates of
> >> emotion, the molecular underpinnings of what we experience as feelings,
> >> sensations, thoughts, drives, perhaps even spirit or soul."
>
> >> In other words, she expands upon the (implicit) conventional
> >> understanding of the physiology of emotions as simply involving
> >> electrical activity among neurons in the brain. Instead, she includes
> >> not only locally-acting neurotransmitters, but numerous peptide ligands
> >> and receptors throughout the body as involved essentially in the
> >> phenomena of emotions.
>
> >> Surely, both testosterone and dihydrotestosterone must affect our
> >> emotions somehow. I wonder how.
>
> >> I wonder, also, how and when they are cleared from the bloodstream,
> >> and whether the assumptions you make above might be flawed, or at least
> >> less universal than you suppose, that is, that the "good" properties you
> >> mention actually are good -- at all times, and in all places and
> >> circumstances.
>
> > Well I guess there is a benefit to risk ratio. I have been taking
> > finasteride since 1994 and have never noticed any side effects. I know
> > that T has some benefits, and that should be increased with
> > finasteride. So I am okay in that respect.
>
> What are the desired effects of finasteride supplementation? Have
> you noticed any change in your emotions which might be attributable
> directly to finasteride or testosterone?
>
> --
> Marshall Price of Miami
> Known to Yahoo as d021317c

I take it for hairloss and for prostate health. I have not noticed any
side effects at all.

Ted wrote:
> On Jun 2, 1:55 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Ted wrote:
>>> On May 25, 2:24 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Ted wrote:
>>>>> On May 20, 9:48 am, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Ted wrote:
>>>>>>> On May 17, 1:19 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
>>>>>>> <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On May 16, 1:27 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Taka wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I can confirm the correctness of the following article from at least 2
>>>>>>>>>> additional sources. In a nutshell, DHT and progesterone are the good
>>>>>>>>>> hormones because they are opposing the growth promoting/oxidative
>>>>>>>>>> stress inducing properties of estrogen in men and women,
>>>>>>>>>> respectively. They have also pro-apoptotic properties which may help
>>>>>>>>>> killing precancerous cells (in addition to e.g. hair follicles in the
>>>>>>>>>> case of DHT). So all men praise you balding scalp and you will be
>>>>>>>>>> rewarded with cancer and BPH protection!
>>>>>>>>> DHT is a good thing because it kills hair follicles?
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Marshall Price of Miami
>>>>>>>>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
>>>>>>>> The two points I have in mind on the subject are these:
>>>>>>>> First people who desire to save their hair by taking
>>>>>>>> anti-DHT med are being foolish in that while they preserve
>>>>>>>> their mane and their appearance to the opposite sex, they
>>>>>>>> may end up being unable to respond sexually.
>>>>>>>> Second, the concern about DHT is because the
>>>>>>>> Doc have an anti-DHT med that has been
>>>>>>>> promoted by a Big Drug company.
>>>>>>> Side effects were almost the same in the placebo group in finasteride
>>>>>>> trials, A quick google search....http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/
>>>>>>> finas_ad.htm And I have also read that out of the few people that did
>>>>>>> get them, most of them found that the side effects subsided over a
>>>>>>> period of time.
>>>>>>> DHT does cause hair follicles to shrink over time and blocking it
>>>>>>> prevents MPB. There have been twin castration studies too where the
>>>>>>> twin who is castrated before puberty does not go bald.
>>>>>> MPB?
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Marshall Price of Miami
>>>>>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
>>>>> Male Pattern Baldness
>>>> I'm reading a fascinating book right now, /Molecules of Emotion/ by
>>>> neuroscientist Candace B. Pert. She says that neurotransmitters "are
>>>> just one part of a much more far-flung network of information carried by
>>>> neuropeptides and their bodywide receptors. We are now ready to explore
>>>> my theory that these biochemicals are the physiological substrates of
>>>> emotion, the molecular underpinnings of what we experience as feelings,
>>>> sensations, thoughts, drives, perhaps even spirit or soul."
>>>> In other words, she expands upon the (implicit) conventional
>>>> understanding of the physiology of emotions as simply involving
>>>> electrical activity among neurons in the brain. Instead, she includes
>>>> not only locally-acting neurotransmitters, but numerous peptide ligands
>>>> and receptors throughout the body as involved essentially in the
>>>> phenomena of emotions.
>>>> Surely, both testosterone and dihydrotestosterone must affect our
>>>> emotions somehow. I wonder how.
>>>> I wonder, also, how and when they are cleared from the bloodstream,
>>>> and whether the assumptions you make above might be flawed, or at least
>>>> less universal than you suppose, that is, that the "good" properties you
>>>> mention actually are good -- at all times, and in all places and
>>>> circumstances.
>>> Well I guess there is a benefit to risk ratio. I have been taking
>>> finasteride since 1994 and have never noticed any side effects. I know
>>> that T has some benefits, and that should be increased with
>>> finasteride. So I am okay in that respect.
>> What are the desired effects of finasteride supplementation? Have
>> you noticed any change in your emotions which might be attributable
>> directly to finasteride or testosterone?
>
> I take it for hairloss and for prostate health. I have not noticed any
> side effects at all.

Sounds good. Can I get it in food?

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On Jun 3, 8:53 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ted wrote:
> > On Jun 2, 1:55 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Ted wrote:
> >>> On May 25, 2:24 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> Ted wrote:
> >>>>> On May 20, 9:48 am, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Ted wrote:
> >>>>>>> On May 17, 1:19 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
> >>>>>>> <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On May 16, 1:27 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Taka wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> I can confirm the correctness of the following article from at least 2
> >>>>>>>>>> additional sources. In a nutshell, DHT and progesterone are the good
> >>>>>>>>>> hormones because they are opposing the growth promoting/oxidative
> >>>>>>>>>> stress inducing properties of estrogen in men and women,
> >>>>>>>>>> respectively. They have also pro-apoptotic properties which may help
> >>>>>>>>>> killing precancerous cells (in addition to e.g. hair follicles in the
> >>>>>>>>>> case of DHT). So all men praise you balding scalp and you will be
> >>>>>>>>>> rewarded with cancer and BPH protection!
> >>>>>>>>> DHT is a good thing because it kills hair follicles?
> >>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>> Marshall Price of Miami
> >>>>>>>>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
> >>>>>>>> The two points I have in mind on the subject are these:
> >>>>>>>> First people who desire to save their hair by taking
> >>>>>>>> anti-DHT med are being foolish in that while they preserve
> >>>>>>>> their mane and their appearance to the opposite sex, they
> >>>>>>>> may end up being unable to respond sexually.
> >>>>>>>> Second, the concern about DHT is because the
> >>>>>>>> Doc have an anti-DHT med that has been
> >>>>>>>> promoted by a Big Drug company.
> >>>>>>> Side effects were almost the same in the placebo group in finasteride
> >>>>>>> trials, A quick google search....http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/
> >>>>>>> finas_ad.htm And I have also read that out of the few people that did
> >>>>>>> get them, most of them found that the side effects subsided over a
> >>>>>>> period of time.
> >>>>>>> DHT does cause hair follicles to shrink over time and blocking it
> >>>>>>> prevents MPB. There have been twin castration studies too where the
> >>>>>>> twin who is castrated before puberty does not go bald.
> >>>>>> MPB?
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Marshall Price of Miami
> >>>>>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
> >>>>> Male Pattern Baldness
> >>>> I'm reading a fascinating book right now, /Molecules of Emotion/ by
> >>>> neuroscientist Candace B. Pert. She says that neurotransmitters "are
> >>>> just one part of a much more far-flung network of information carried by
> >>>> neuropeptides and their bodywide receptors. We are now ready to explore
> >>>> my theory that these biochemicals are the physiological substrates of
> >>>> emotion, the molecular underpinnings of what we experience as feelings,
> >>>> sensations, thoughts, drives, perhaps even spirit or soul."
> >>>> In other words, she expands upon the (implicit) conventional
> >>>> understanding of the physiology of emotions as simply involving
> >>>> electrical activity among neurons in the brain. Instead, she includes
> >>>> not only locally-acting neurotransmitters, but numerous peptide ligands
> >>>> and receptors throughout the body as involved essentially in the
> >>>> phenomena of emotions.
> >>>> Surely, both testosterone and dihydrotestosterone must affect our
> >>>> emotions somehow. I wonder how.
> >>>> I wonder, also, how and when they are cleared from the bloodstream,
> >>>> and whether the assumptions you make above might be flawed, or at least
> >>>> less universal than you suppose, that is, that the "good" properties you
> >>>> mention actually are good -- at all times, and in all places and
> >>>> circumstances.
> >>> Well I guess there is a benefit to risk ratio. I have been taking
> >>> finasteride since 1994 and have never noticed any side effects. I know
> >>> that T has some benefits, and that should be increased with
> >>> finasteride. So I am okay in that respect.
> >> What are the desired effects of finasteride supplementation? Have
> >> you noticed any change in your emotions which might be attributable
> >> directly to finasteride or testosterone?
>
> > I take it for hairloss and for prostate health. I have not noticed any
> > side effects at all.
>
> Sounds good. Can I get it in food?
>
> --
> Marshall Price of Miami
> Known to Yahoo as d021317c

Can you get finasteride in food? I don't understand the question.

Ted wrote:
> On Jun 3, 8:53 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Ted wrote:
>>> On Jun 2, 1:55 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Ted wrote:
>>>>> On May 25, 2:24 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Ted wrote:
>>>>>>> On May 20, 9:48 am, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Ted wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On May 17, 1:19 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
>>>>>>>>> <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 1:27 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Taka wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I can confirm the correctness of the following article from at least 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> additional sources. In a nutshell, DHT and progesterone are the good
>>>>>>>>>>>> hormones because they are opposing the growth promoting/oxidative
>>>>>>>>>>>> stress inducing properties of estrogen in men and women,
>>>>>>>>>>>> respectively. They have also pro-apoptotic properties which may help
>>>>>>>>>>>> killing precancerous cells (in addition to e.g. hair follicles in the
>>>>>>>>>>>> case of DHT). So all men praise you balding scalp and you will be
>>>>>>>>>>>> rewarded with cancer and BPH protection!
>>>>>>>>>>> DHT is a good thing because it kills hair follicles?
>>>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>>>> Marshall Price of Miami
>>>>>>>>>>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
>>>>>>>>>> The two points I have in mind on the subject are these:
>>>>>>>>>> First people who desire to save their hair by taking
>>>>>>>>>> anti-DHT med are being foolish in that while they preserve
>>>>>>>>>> their mane and their appearance to the opposite sex, they
>>>>>>>>>> may end up being unable to respond sexually.
>>>>>>>>>> Second, the concern about DHT is because the
>>>>>>>>>> Doc have an anti-DHT med that has been
>>>>>>>>>> promoted by a Big Drug company.
>>>>>>>>> Side effects were almost the same in the placebo group in finasteride
>>>>>>>>> trials, A quick google search....http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/
>>>>>>>>> finas_ad.htm And I have also read that out of the few people that did
>>>>>>>>> get them, most of them found that the side effects subsided over a
>>>>>>>>> period of time.
>>>>>>>>> DHT does cause hair follicles to shrink over time and blocking it
>>>>>>>>> prevents MPB. There have been twin castration studies too where the
>>>>>>>>> twin who is castrated before puberty does not go bald.
>>>>>>>> MPB?
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Marshall Price of Miami
>>>>>>>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
>>>>>>> Male Pattern Baldness
>>>>>> I'm reading a fascinating book right now, /Molecules of Emotion/ by
>>>>>> neuroscientist Candace B. Pert. She says that neurotransmitters "are
>>>>>> just one part of a much more far-flung network of information carried by
>>>>>> neuropeptides and their bodywide receptors. We are now ready to explore
>>>>>> my theory that these biochemicals are the physiological substrates of
>>>>>> emotion, the molecular underpinnings of what we experience as feelings,
>>>>>> sensations, thoughts, drives, perhaps even spirit or soul."
>>>>>> In other words, she expands upon the (implicit) conventional
>>>>>> understanding of the physiology of emotions as simply involving
>>>>>> electrical activity among neurons in the brain. Instead, she includes
>>>>>> not only locally-acting neurotransmitters, but numerous peptide ligands
>>>>>> and receptors throughout the body as involved essentially in the
>>>>>> phenomena of emotions.
>>>>>> Surely, both testosterone and dihydrotestosterone must affect our
>>>>>> emotions somehow. I wonder how.
>>>>>> I wonder, also, how and when they are cleared from the bloodstream,
>>>>>> and whether the assumptions you make above might be flawed, or at least
>>>>>> less universal than you suppose, that is, that the "good" properties you
>>>>>> mention actually are good -- at all times, and in all places and
>>>>>> circumstances.
>>>>> Well I guess there is a benefit to risk ratio. I have been taking
>>>>> finasteride since 1994 and have never noticed any side effects. I know
>>>>> that T has some benefits, and that should be increased with
>>>>> finasteride. So I am okay in that respect.
>>>> What are the desired effects of finasteride supplementation? Have
>>>> you noticed any change in your emotions which might be attributable
>>>> directly to finasteride or testosterone?
>>> I take it for hairloss and for prostate health. I have not noticed any
>>> side effects at all.
>> Sounds good. Can I get it in food?
>>
>> --
>> Marshall Price of Miami
>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
>
> Can you get finasteride in food? I don't understand the question.

That's right. Hippocrates said, "Let your food be your medicine."

--
Marshall Price of Miami
Known to Yahoo as d021317c

On Jun 16, 2:02 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Ted wrote:
> > On Jun 3, 8:53 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> Ted wrote:
> >>> On Jun 2, 1:55 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>> Ted wrote:
> >>>>> On May 25, 2:24 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> Ted wrote:
> >>>>>>> On May 20, 9:48 am, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Ted wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On May 17, 1:19 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
> >>>>>>>>> <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On May 16, 1:27 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Taka wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I can confirm the correctness of the following article from at least 2
> >>>>>>>>>>>> additional sources. In a nutshell, DHT and progesterone are the good
> >>>>>>>>>>>> hormones because they are opposing the growth promoting/oxidative
> >>>>>>>>>>>> stress inducing properties of estrogen in men and women,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> respectively. They have also pro-apoptotic properties which may help
> >>>>>>>>>>>> killing precancerous cells (in addition to e.g. hair follicles in the
> >>>>>>>>>>>> case of DHT). So all men praise you balding scalp and you will be
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rewarded with cancer and BPH protection!
> >>>>>>>>>>> DHT is a good thing because it kills hair follicles?
> >>>>>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>>>>> Marshall Price of Miami
> >>>>>>>>>>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
> >>>>>>>>>> The two points I have in mind on the subject are these:
> >>>>>>>>>> First people who desire to save their hair by taking
> >>>>>>>>>> anti-DHT med are being foolish in that while they preserve
> >>>>>>>>>> their mane and their appearance to the opposite sex, they
> >>>>>>>>>> may end up being unable to respond sexually.
> >>>>>>>>>> Second, the concern about DHT is because the
> >>>>>>>>>> Doc have an anti-DHT med that has been
> >>>>>>>>>> promoted by a Big Drug company.
> >>>>>>>>> Side effects were almost the same in the placebo group in finasteride
> >>>>>>>>> trials, A quick google search....http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/
> >>>>>>>>> finas_ad.htm And I have also read that out of the few people that did
> >>>>>>>>> get them, most of them found that the side effects subsided over a
> >>>>>>>>> period of time.
> >>>>>>>>> DHT does cause hair follicles to shrink over time and blocking it
> >>>>>>>>> prevents MPB. There have been twin castration studies too where the
> >>>>>>>>> twin who is castrated before puberty does not go bald.
> >>>>>>>> MPB?
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Marshall Price of Miami
> >>>>>>>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
> >>>>>>> Male Pattern Baldness
> >>>>>> I'm reading a fascinating book right now, /Molecules of Emotion/ by
> >>>>>> neuroscientist Candace B. Pert. She says that neurotransmitters "are
> >>>>>> just one part of a much more far-flung network of information carried by
> >>>>>> neuropeptides and their bodywide receptors. We are now ready to explore
> >>>>>> my theory that these biochemicals are the physiological substrates of
> >>>>>> emotion, the molecular underpinnings of what we experience as feelings,
> >>>>>> sensations, thoughts, drives, perhaps even spirit or soul."
> >>>>>> In other words, she expands upon the (implicit) conventional
> >>>>>> understanding of the physiology of emotions as simply involving
> >>>>>> electrical activity among neurons in the brain. Instead, she includes
> >>>>>> not only locally-acting neurotransmitters, but numerous peptide ligands
> >>>>>> and receptors throughout the body as involved essentially in the
> >>>>>> phenomena of emotions.
> >>>>>> Surely, both testosterone and dihydrotestosterone must affect our
> >>>>>> emotions somehow. I wonder how.
> >>>>>> I wonder, also, how and when they are cleared from the bloodstream,
> >>>>>> and whether the assumptions you make above might be flawed, or at least
> >>>>>> less universal than you suppose, that is, that the "good" properties you
> >>>>>> mention actually are good -- at all times, and in all places and
> >>>>>> circumstances.
> >>>>> Well I guess there is a benefit to risk ratio. I have been taking
> >>>>> finasteride since 1994 and have never noticed any side effects. I know
> >>>>> that T has some benefits, and that should be increased with
> >>>>> finasteride. So I am okay in that respect.
> >>>> What are the desired effects of finasteride supplementation? Have
> >>>> you noticed any change in your emotions which might be attributable
> >>>> directly to finasteride or testosterone?
> >>> I take it for hairloss and for prostate health. I have not noticed any
> >>> side effects at all.
> >> Sounds good. Can I get it in food?
>
> >> --
> >> Marshall Price of Miami
> >> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
>
> > Can you get finasteride in food? I don't understand the question.
>
> That's right. Hippocrates said, "Let your food be your medicine."
>
> --
> Marshall Price of Miami
> Known to Yahoo as d021317c

Well if there was a way to lower DHT to the degree that finasteride
does (both serum and in the hair follicle) then I would surely do it.

On Wed, 4 Jun 2008 17:37:09 -0700 (PDT), Ted <chuckfrasher@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 3, 8:53 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Ted wrote:
>> > On Jun 2, 1:55 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> Ted wrote:
>> >>> On May 25, 2:24 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>> Ted wrote:
>> >>>>> On May 20, 9:48 am, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Ted wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On May 17, 1:19 am, "trigonometry1...@gmail.com |"
>> >>>>>>> <trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> On May 16, 1:27 pm, Marshall Price <d0213...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Taka wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> I can confirm the correctness of the following article from at least 2
>> >>>>>>>>>> additional sources. In a nutshell, DHT and progesterone are the good
>> >>>>>>>>>> hormones because they are opposing the growth promoting/oxidative
>> >>>>>>>>>> stress inducing properties of estrogen in men and women,
>> >>>>>>>>>> respectively. They have also pro-apoptotic properties which may help
>> >>>>>>>>>> killing precancerous cells (in addition to e.g. hair follicles in the
>> >>>>>>>>>> case of DHT). So all men praise you balding scalp and you will be
>> >>>>>>>>>> rewarded with cancer and BPH protection!
>> >>>>>>>>> DHT is a good thing because it kills hair follicles?
>> >>>>>>>>> --
>> >>>>>>>>> Marshall Price of Miami
>> >>>>>>>>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
>> >>>>>>>> The two points I have in mind on the subject are these:
>> >>>>>>>> First people who desire to save their hair by taking
>> >>>>>>>> anti-DHT med are being foolish in that while they preserve
>> >>>>>>>> their mane and their appearance to the opposite sex, they
>> >>>>>>>> may end up being unable to respond sexually.
>> >>>>>>>> Second, the concern about DHT is because the
>> >>>>>>>> Doc have an anti-DHT med that has been
>> >>>>>>>> promoted by a Big Drug company.
>> >>>>>>> Side effects were almost the same in the placebo group in finasteride
>> >>>>>>> trials, A quick google search....http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/
>> >>>>>>> finas_ad.htm And I have also read that out of the few people that did
>> >>>>>>> get them, most of them found that the side effects subsided over a
>> >>>>>>> period of time.
>> >>>>>>> DHT does cause hair follicles to shrink over time and blocking it
>> >>>>>>> prevents MPB. There have been twin castration studies too where the
>> >>>>>>> twin who is castrated before puberty does not go bald.
>> >>>>>> MPB?
>> >>>>>> --
>> >>>>>> Marshall Price of Miami
>> >>>>>> Known to Yahoo as d021317c
>> >>>>> Male Pattern Baldness
>> >>>> I'm reading a fascinating book right now, /Molecules of Emotion/ by
>> >>>> neuroscientist Candace B. Pert. She says that neurotransmitters "are
>> >>>> just one part of a much more far-flung network of information carried by
>> >>>> neuropeptides and their bodywide receptors. We are now ready to explore
>> >>>> my theory that these biochemicals are the physiological substrates of
>> >>>> emotion, the molecular underpinnings of what we experience as feelings,
>> >>>> sensations, thoughts, drives, perhaps even spirit or soul."
>> >>>> In other words, she expands upon the (implicit) conventional
>> >>>> understanding of the physiology of emotions as simply involving
>> >>>> electrical activity among neurons in the brain. Instead, she includes
>> >>>> not only locally-acting neurotransmitters, but numerous peptide ligands
>> >>>> and receptors throughout the body as involved essentially in the
>> >>>> phenomena of emotions.
>> >>>> Surely, both testosterone and dihydrotestosterone must affect our
>> >>>> emotions somehow. I wonder how.
>> >>>> I wonder, also, how and when they are cleared from the bloodstream,
>> >>>> and whether the assumptions you make above might be flawed, or at least
>> >>>> less universal than you suppose, that is, that the "good" properties you
>> >>>> mention actually are good -- at all times, and in all places and
>> >>>> circumstances.
>> >>> Well I guess there is a benefit to risk ratio. I have been taking
>> >>> finasteride since 1994 and have never noticed any side effects. I know
>> >>> that T has some benefits, and that should be increased with
>> >>> finasteride. So I am okay in that respect.
>> >> What are the desired effects of finasteride supplementation? Have
>> >> you noticed any change in your emotions which might be attributable
>> >> directly to finasteride or testosterone?
>>
>> > I take it for hairloss and for prostate health. I have not noticed any
>> > side effects at all.
>>
>> Sounds good. Can I get it in food?
>>
>
>Can you get finasteride in food? I don't understand the question.

Sure. At In-n-Out, order your burger "Primate Style" and they add finasteride.

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