Effect of Thyroid hormones on muscle development and training

Hi All,

I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth of my biceps
over the last year and I remembered something. I have no Thyroid gland and
use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is T4 only). I have
read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about every cell type in
the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I have also read
that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of muscle tears and
damage.

Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle damage include
micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are in the higher
end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle at a faster rate
than normal? I am also thinking in general about the possible effects on my
training and muscle development. Any thoughts?

Steph.

"Stephan Carydakis" <steph777@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
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> Hi All,
>
> I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth of my biceps
> over the last year and I remembered something. I have no Thyroid gland
and
> use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is T4 only). I
have
> read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about every cell type
in
> the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I have also read
> that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of muscle tears and
> damage.
>
> Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle damage include
> micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are in the higher
> end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle at a faster
rate
> than normal? I am also thinking in general about the possible effects on
my
> training and muscle development. Any thoughts?
>
> Steph.
>

Don't know.. but in my case, my thyroid has been half eaten by my immune
system and I'm also on thyroid replacement.. TSH is at 1 on 50mcg Levoxyl.
Despite this, I have gained 2" on my arms in the past 6 months... with my
testosterone being below the low range! I've heard that many hypothyroid
males have low testosterone.

BTW.. I just started taking depotestosterone today about 30 minutes ago at
the advise of my endocrinologist. Might want to check that.

Richard

"Richard" <no@spamhere.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
> news:ekmh6n$1oc8$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth of my biceps
> > over the last year and I remembered something. I have no Thyroid gland
> and
> > use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is T4 only). I
> have
> > read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about every cell
type
> in
> > the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I have also read
> > that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of muscle tears
and
> > damage.
> >
> > Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle damage
include
> > micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are in the
higher
> > end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle at a faster
> rate
> > than normal? I am also thinking in general about the possible effects
on
> my
> > training and muscle development. Any thoughts?
> >
> > Steph.
> >
>
> Don't know.. but in my case, my thyroid has been half eaten by my immune
> system and I'm also on thyroid replacement.. TSH is at 1 on 50mcg Levoxyl.

Wow, whats that condition called? Is Levoxyl straight T4 - yes it is I just
looked it up! A couple of years ago I was on 11 x 200mcg and this did put me
in the 'range' however, I didn't feel that great at these levels. I went to
my Endocrinologist and askef him if I could up my dosage and he gave me and
extra 200mcg a week. I'm now on 14x200mcg a week and my T4 and T3 is just
outside of high, with TSH expedctidely low. But I feel great at these
levels.

> Despite this, I have gained 2" on my arms in the past 6 months... with my
> testosterone being below the low range! I've heard that many hypothyroid
> males have low testosterone.
>

Excellent! I've had similar gains too in around the 3 inch region over last
6 months but I am a newbie (1 year of training). I would be classified as
hyper so does this mean I have more testosterone?
> BTW.. I just started taking depotestosterone today about 30 minutes ago at
> the advise of my endocrinologist. Might want to check that.
>

I'll have to ask the doc to chuck that on my next blood test but I doubt
I'm low.

> Richard
>
>

"Stephan Carydakis" <steph777@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Richard" <no@spamhere.invalid> wrote in message
> news:8qJbh.228$ej3.14@newsfe16.phx...
> > "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
> > news:ekmh6n$1oc8$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth of my
biceps
> > > over the last year and I remembered something. I have no Thyroid
gland
> > and
> > > use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is T4 only). I
> > have
> > > read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about every cell
> type
> > in
> > > the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I have also
read
> > > that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of muscle tears
> and
> > > damage.
> > >
> > > Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle damage
> include
> > > micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are in the
> higher
> > > end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle at a faster
> > rate
> > > than normal? I am also thinking in general about the possible effects
> on
> > my
> > > training and muscle development. Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > Steph.
> > >
> >
> > Don't know.. but in my case, my thyroid has been half eaten by my immune
> > system and I'm also on thyroid replacement.. TSH is at 1 on 50mcg
Levoxyl.
>
> Wow, whats that condition called?

Its called "Hashimoto's Thyroiditis". Your body makes antibodies against
your own thyroid and starts destroying it in a long, dragged-out process
that lasts for years.

> Is Levoxyl straight T4 - yes it is I just
> looked it up! A couple of years ago I was on 11 x 200mcg and this did put
me
> in the 'range' however, I didn't feel that great at these levels. I went
to
> my Endocrinologist and askef him if I could up my dosage and he gave me
and
> extra 200mcg a week. I'm now on 14x200mcg a week and my T4 and T3 is just
> outside of high, with TSH expedctidely low. But I feel great at these
> levels.
>
> > Despite this, I have gained 2" on my arms in the past 6 months... with
my
> > testosterone being below the low range! I've heard that many hypothyroid
> > males have low testosterone.
> >
>
> Excellent! I've had similar gains too in around the 3 inch region over
last
> 6 months but I am a newbie (1 year of training). I would be classified as
> hyper so does this mean I have more testosterone?
> > BTW.. I just started taking depotestosterone today about 30 minutes ago
at
> > the advise of my endocrinologist. Might want to check that.
> >
>
> I'll have to ask the doc to chuck that on my next blood test but I doubt
> I'm low.
>
> > Richard
> >

You might want to check alt.support.thyroid. I found that group a few years
ago and they helped me through all my problems.

Richard

"Richard" <no@spamhere.invalid> wrote in message
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> "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
> news:eko6hj$274u$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> >
> > "Richard" <no@spamhere.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:8qJbh.228$ej3.14@newsfe16.phx...
> > > "Stephan Carydakis" <steph777@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
> > > news:ekmh6n$1oc8$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth of my
> biceps
> > > > over the last year and I remembered something. I have no Thyroid
> gland
> > > and
> > > > use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is T4 only).
I
> > > have
> > > > read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about every cell
> > type
> > > in
> > > > the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I have also
> read
> > > > that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of muscle
tears
> > and
> > > > damage.
> > > >
> > > > Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle damage
> > include
> > > > micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are in the
> > higher
> > > > end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle at a
faster
> > > rate
> > > > than normal? I am also thinking in general about the possible
effects
> > on
> > > my
> > > > training and muscle development. Any thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Steph.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Don't know.. but in my case, my thyroid has been half eaten by my
immune
> > > system and I'm also on thyroid replacement.. TSH is at 1 on 50mcg
> Levoxyl.
> >
> > Wow, whats that condition called?
>
> Its called "Hashimoto's Thyroiditis". Your body makes antibodies against
> your own thyroid and starts destroying it in a long, dragged-out process
> that lasts for years.
>

Its an auto-immune disease yes? My twin brother has Colitis which has a
similar MO.

> > Is Levoxyl straight T4 - yes it is I just
> > looked it up! A couple of years ago I was on 11 x 200mcg and this did
put
> me
> > in the 'range' however, I didn't feel that great at these levels. I went
> to
> > my Endocrinologist and askef him if I could up my dosage and he gave me
> and
> > extra 200mcg a week. I'm now on 14x200mcg a week and my T4 and T3 is
just
> > outside of high, with TSH expedctidely low. But I feel great at these
> > levels.
> >
> > > Despite this, I have gained 2" on my arms in the past 6 months... with
> my
> > > testosterone being below the low range! I've heard that many
hypothyroid
> > > males have low testosterone.
> > >
> >
> > Excellent! I've had similar gains too in around the 3 inch region over
> last
> > 6 months but I am a newbie (1 year of training). I would be classified
as
> > hyper so does this mean I have more testosterone?
> > > BTW.. I just started taking depotestosterone today about 30 minutes
ago
> at
> > > the advise of my endocrinologist. Might want to check that.
> > >
> >
> > I'll have to ask the doc to chuck that on my next blood test but I
doubt
> > I'm low.
> >
> > > Richard
> > >
>
> You might want to check alt.support.thyroid. I found that group a few
years
> ago and they helped me through all my problems.
>

Have posted to this group a while back. Was going there next. Really, I was.

> Richard
>
>

Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth of my biceps
> over the last year and I remembered something. I have no Thyroid gland and
> use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is T4 only). I have
> read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about every cell type in
> the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I have also read
> that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of muscle tears and
> damage.
>
> Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle damage include
> micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are in the higher
> end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle at a faster rate
> than normal? I am also thinking in general about the possible effects on my
> training and muscle development. Any thoughts?
>
> Steph.

Thyroid hormones do play a role in healing and muscle building, but not
the way you're proposing. If your thyroid hormone levels are too low,
you may have some trouble building muscle, and you may have trouble
losing fat. If your thyroid levels are too high, you'll generally be in
an overall catabolic state in which you lose both muscle and fat - you
might be able to maintain muscle if you're lucky, but gaining muscle
while hyperthyroid (regardless of whether the hyperthyroidism is
endogenous or exogenous) is damn near impossible without pharmaceutical
assistance of a different type. If your thyroid levels are within the
range that's optimal for you, then with proper diet and exercise, you
can gain muscle at whatever rate is normal for you.

IOW there is no level of thyoid hormones that would allow you to gain
muscle at an accelerated rate. Your massive gain was, IMO, due to
simple measurement error.

"geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth of my biceps
> > over the last year and I remembered something. I have no Thyroid gland
and
> > use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is T4 only). I
have
> > read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about every cell
type in
> > the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I have also read
> > that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of muscle tears
and
> > damage.
> >
> > Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle damage
include
> > micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are in the
higher
> > end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle at a faster
rate
> > than normal? I am also thinking in general about the possible effects
on my
> > training and muscle development. Any thoughts?
> >
> > Steph.
>
> Thyroid hormones do play a role in healing and muscle building, but not
> the way you're proposing. If your thyroid hormone levels are too low,
> you may have some trouble building muscle, and you may have trouble
> losing fat. If your thyroid levels are too high, you'll generally be in
> an overall catabolic state in which you lose both muscle and fat - you
> might be able to maintain muscle if you're lucky, but gaining muscle
> while hyperthyroid (regardless of whether the hyperthyroidism is
> endogenous or exogenous) is damn near impossible without pharmaceutical
> assistance of a different type. If your thyroid levels are within the
> range that's optimal for you, then with proper diet and exercise, you
> can gain muscle at whatever rate is normal for you.
>
> IOW there is no level of thyoid hormones that would allow you to gain
> muscle at an accelerated rate. Your massive gain was, IMO, due to
> simple measurement error.

I gained plenty of muscle while my FT3 was way too high (I was hyper) and
100% guarantee it wasn't measurement error. There are exceptions to the
rules.

"geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth of my biceps
> > over the last year and I remembered something. I have no Thyroid gland
and
> > use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is T4 only). I
have
> > read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about every cell
type in
> > the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I have also read
> > that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of muscle tears
and
> > damage.
> >
> > Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle damage
include
> > micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are in the
higher
> > end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle at a faster
rate
> > than normal? I am also thinking in general about the possible effects
on my
> > training and muscle development. Any thoughts?
> >
> > Steph.
>
> Thyroid hormones do play a role in healing and muscle building, but not
> the way you're proposing. If your thyroid hormone levels are too low,
> you may have some trouble building muscle, and you may have trouble
> losing fat. If your thyroid levels are too high, you'll generally be in
> an overall catabolic state in which you lose both muscle and fat - you
> might be able to maintain muscle if you're lucky, but gaining muscle
> while hyperthyroid (regardless of whether the hyperthyroidism is
> endogenous or exogenous) is damn near impossible without pharmaceutical
> assistance of a different type. If your thyroid levels are within the
> range that's optimal for you, then with proper diet and exercise, you
> can gain muscle at whatever rate is normal for you.
>

I've had to adjust my levels for over 18 years so I know about the effects
of high/low hormone levels. I about 5 or 6 years ago I began to have weight
problems, cloudiness, slight depression and lethargy. Getting out of bed
became extremely difficult. All these symptoms and my Endo still insisted my
levels were OK because they were in the acceptable range. I asked if I could
up my dosage (which I was going to do regardless) and he ok's it. One week
later, the improvement was astounding. Almost a 180. More like a 160.
Anyways, now I'm on the outside of the high range, I feel great.

> IOW there is no level of thyoid hormones that would allow you to gain
> muscle at an accelerated rate. Your massive gain was, IMO, due to
> simple measurement error.
>

Even though my initial bicep measurement is doubtful, I can confirm a 3 inch
gain in 6 months. While this is not apparently ridiculous, it's good. So
what you are saying is that being hyper will not in anyway compliment weight
training, rather, it will hinder muscle growth?

Richard wrote:
> "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1165006698.911101.267930@79g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> > Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth of my biceps
> > > over the last year and I remembered something. I have no Thyroid gland
> and
> > > use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is T4 only). I
> have
> > > read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about every cell
> type in
> > > the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I have also read
> > > that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of muscle tears
> and
> > > damage.
> > >
> > > Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle damage
> include
> > > micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are in the
> higher
> > > end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle at a faster
> rate
> > > than normal? I am also thinking in general about the possible effects
> on my
> > > training and muscle development. Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > Steph.
> >
> > Thyroid hormones do play a role in healing and muscle building, but not
> > the way you're proposing. If your thyroid hormone levels are too low,
> > you may have some trouble building muscle, and you may have trouble
> > losing fat. If your thyroid levels are too high, you'll generally be in
> > an overall catabolic state in which you lose both muscle and fat - you
> > might be able to maintain muscle if you're lucky, but gaining muscle
> > while hyperthyroid (regardless of whether the hyperthyroidism is
> > endogenous or exogenous) is damn near impossible without pharmaceutical
> > assistance of a different type. If your thyroid levels are within the
> > range that's optimal for you, then with proper diet and exercise, you
> > can gain muscle at whatever rate is normal for you.
> >
> > IOW there is no level of thyoid hormones that would allow you to gain
> > muscle at an accelerated rate. Your massive gain was, IMO, due to
> > simple measurement error.
>
> I gained plenty of muscle while my FT3 was way too high (I was hyper) and
> 100% guarantee it wasn't measurement error. There are exceptions to the
> rules.

Yes, there are a few exceptions to that particular "rule". In any case,
you gained muscle in spite of your T3 being too high, not because of
it. Again, there's no level of thyroid hormones that allows one to gain
muscle at an *accelerated* rate. The gain Steph claims is absurd.

Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1165006698.911101.267930@79g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> > Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth of my biceps
> > > over the last year and I remembered something. I have no Thyroid gland
> and
> > > use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is T4 only). I
> have
> > > read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about every cell
> type in
> > > the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I have also read
> > > that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of muscle tears
> and
> > > damage.
> > >
> > > Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle damage
> include
> > > micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are in the
> higher
> > > end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle at a faster
> rate
> > > than normal? I am also thinking in general about the possible effects
> on my
> > > training and muscle development. Any thoughts?
> > >
> > > Steph.
> >
> > Thyroid hormones do play a role in healing and muscle building, but not
> > the way you're proposing. If your thyroid hormone levels are too low,
> > you may have some trouble building muscle, and you may have trouble
> > losing fat. If your thyroid levels are too high, you'll generally be in
> > an overall catabolic state in which you lose both muscle and fat - you
> > might be able to maintain muscle if you're lucky, but gaining muscle
> > while hyperthyroid (regardless of whether the hyperthyroidism is
> > endogenous or exogenous) is damn near impossible without pharmaceutical
> > assistance of a different type. If your thyroid levels are within the
> > range that's optimal for you, then with proper diet and exercise, you
> > can gain muscle at whatever rate is normal for you.
> >
>
> I've had to adjust my levels for over 18 years so I know about the effects
> of high/low hormone levels.

Well, clearly you're not familiar with all of them, because you were
asking if your high levels would allow you to gain muscle at an
accelerated rate.

> > IOW there is no level of thyoid hormones that would allow you to gain
> > muscle at an accelerated rate. Your massive gain was, IMO, due to
> > simple measurement error.
> >
>
> Even though my initial bicep measurement is doubtful, I can confirm a 3 inch
> gain in 6 months. While this is not apparently ridiculous, it's good. So
> what you are saying is that being hyper will not in anyway compliment weight
> training, rather, it will hinder muscle growth?

Right, being hyperthyroid won't help with muscle growth, and is likely
to hinder. You could conceivably gain muscle while hyper (hi Richard!)
but in most cases it's highly unlikely* and would involve truly insane
amounts of food. Either way, I doubt that you're actually hyperthyroid
now. You may be hyper according to the tests, but if you were having
symptoms of hyperthyroidism, you'd cut back your dosage, right? Being
hyper is pretty unpleasant.

*Bodybuilders taking massive doses of Cytomel combined with AAS
notwithstanding.

"geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Richard wrote:
> > "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1165006698.911101.267930@79g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> > > Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth of my
biceps
> > > > over the last year and I remembered something. I have no Thyroid
gland
> > and
> > > > use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is T4 only).
I
> > have
> > > > read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about every cell
> > type in
> > > > the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I have also
read
> > > > that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of muscle
tears
> > and
> > > > damage.
> > > >
> > > > Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle damage
> > include
> > > > micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are in the
> > higher
> > > > end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle at a
faster
> > rate
> > > > than normal? I am also thinking in general about the possible
effects
> > on my
> > > > training and muscle development. Any thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Steph.
> > >
> > > Thyroid hormones do play a role in healing and muscle building, but
not
> > > the way you're proposing. If your thyroid hormone levels are too low,
> > > you may have some trouble building muscle, and you may have trouble
> > > losing fat. If your thyroid levels are too high, you'll generally be
in
> > > an overall catabolic state in which you lose both muscle and fat - you
> > > might be able to maintain muscle if you're lucky, but gaining muscle
> > > while hyperthyroid (regardless of whether the hyperthyroidism is
> > > endogenous or exogenous) is damn near impossible without
pharmaceutical
> > > assistance of a different type. If your thyroid levels are within the
> > > range that's optimal for you, then with proper diet and exercise, you
> > > can gain muscle at whatever rate is normal for you.
> > >
> > > IOW there is no level of thyoid hormones that would allow you to gain
> > > muscle at an accelerated rate. Your massive gain was, IMO, due to
> > > simple measurement error.
> >
> > I gained plenty of muscle while my FT3 was way too high (I was hyper)
and
> > 100% guarantee it wasn't measurement error. There are exceptions to the
> > rules.
>
> Yes, there are a few exceptions to that particular "rule". In any case,
> you gained muscle in spite of your T3 being too high, not because of
> it. Again, there's no level of thyroid hormones that allows one to gain
> muscle at an *accelerated* rate. The gain Steph claims is absurd.

My DHEAs was almost too high during this time - I don't know what that would
do in terms of muscle growth. But I did eat like a pig. Being hyper makes
you want to eat a wok full of rice at a time :-\

Richard

"geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Richard wrote:
> > "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1165006698.911101.267930@79g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> > > Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > > > Hi All,
> > > >
> > > > I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth of my
biceps
> > > > over the last year and I remembered something. I have no Thyroid
gland
> > and
> > > > use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is T4 only).
I
> > have
> > > > read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about every cell
> > type in
> > > > the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I have also
read
> > > > that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of muscle
tears
> > and
> > > > damage.
> > > >
> > > > Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle damage
> > include
> > > > micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are in the
> > higher
> > > > end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle at a
faster
> > rate
> > > > than normal? I am also thinking in general about the possible
effects
> > on my
> > > > training and muscle development. Any thoughts?
> > > >
> > > > Steph.
> > >
> > > Thyroid hormones do play a role in healing and muscle building, but
not
> > > the way you're proposing. If your thyroid hormone levels are too low,
> > > you may have some trouble building muscle, and you may have trouble
> > > losing fat. If your thyroid levels are too high, you'll generally be
in
> > > an overall catabolic state in which you lose both muscle and fat - you
> > > might be able to maintain muscle if you're lucky, but gaining muscle
> > > while hyperthyroid (regardless of whether the hyperthyroidism is
> > > endogenous or exogenous) is damn near impossible without
pharmaceutical
> > > assistance of a different type. If your thyroid levels are within the
> > > range that's optimal for you, then with proper diet and exercise, you
> > > can gain muscle at whatever rate is normal for you.
> > >
> > > IOW there is no level of thyoid hormones that would allow you to gain
> > > muscle at an accelerated rate. Your massive gain was, IMO, due to
> > > simple measurement error.
> >
> > I gained plenty of muscle while my FT3 was way too high (I was hyper)
and
> > 100% guarantee it wasn't measurement error. There are exceptions to the
> > rules.
>
> Yes, there are a few exceptions to that particular "rule". In any case,
> you gained muscle in spite of your T3 being too high, not because of
> it. Again, there's no level of thyroid hormones that allows one to gain
> muscle at an *accelerated* rate. The gain Steph claims is absurd.
>

Do you think geek_girl is talking about me or another Staph? I only say
this because geek_girl talks about Staph in the 3rd person?

Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1165077289.748144.74560@l12g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...
> > Richard wrote:
> > > "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1165006698.911101.267930@79g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth of my
> biceps
> > > > > over the last year and I remembered something. I have no Thyroid
> gland
> > > and
> > > > > use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is T4 only).
> I
> > > have
> > > > > read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about every cell
> > > type in
> > > > > the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I have also
> read
> > > > > that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of muscle
> tears
> > > and
> > > > > damage.
> > > > >
> > > > > Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle damage
> > > include
> > > > > micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are in the
> > > higher
> > > > > end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle at a
> faster
> > > rate
> > > > > than normal? I am also thinking in general about the possible
> effects
> > > on my
> > > > > training and muscle development. Any thoughts?
> > > > >
> > > > > Steph.
> > > >
> > > > Thyroid hormones do play a role in healing and muscle building, but
> not
> > > > the way you're proposing. If your thyroid hormone levels are too low,
> > > > you may have some trouble building muscle, and you may have trouble
> > > > losing fat. If your thyroid levels are too high, you'll generally be
> in
> > > > an overall catabolic state in which you lose both muscle and fat - you
> > > > might be able to maintain muscle if you're lucky, but gaining muscle
> > > > while hyperthyroid (regardless of whether the hyperthyroidism is
> > > > endogenous or exogenous) is damn near impossible without
> pharmaceutical
> > > > assistance of a different type. If your thyroid levels are within the
> > > > range that's optimal for you, then with proper diet and exercise, you
> > > > can gain muscle at whatever rate is normal for you.
> > > >
> > > > IOW there is no level of thyoid hormones that would allow you to gain
> > > > muscle at an accelerated rate. Your massive gain was, IMO, due to
> > > > simple measurement error.
> > >
> > > I gained plenty of muscle while my FT3 was way too high (I was hyper)
> and
> > > 100% guarantee it wasn't measurement error. There are exceptions to the
> > > rules.
> >
> > Yes, there are a few exceptions to that particular "rule". In any case,
> > you gained muscle in spite of your T3 being too high, not because of
> > it. Again, there's no level of thyroid hormones that allows one to gain
> > muscle at an *accelerated* rate. The gain Steph claims is absurd.
> >
>
> Do you think geek_girl is talking about me or another Staph? I only say
> this because geek_girl talks about Staph in the 3rd person?

Having trouble following the conversation, are you? Geek_girl was
referring to Staph in the 3rd person because geek_girl was responding
to Richard. Staph should have already known this, but apparently Staph
is a little slow.

Staph is having trouble following life today. Staph is sorry for the
inconvenience. Hey there's another symptom - cloudiness and/or stupidity. Or
was I born with that - can't seem to remember.

"geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1165188890.825680.320000@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
>
> Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1165077289.748144.74560@l12g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...
> > > Richard wrote:
> > > > "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1165006698.911101.267930@79g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth of
my
> > biceps
> > > > > > over the last year and I remembered something. I have no
Thyroid
> > gland
> > > > and
> > > > > > use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is T4
only).
> > I
> > > > have
> > > > > > read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about every
cell
> > > > type in
> > > > > > the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I have
also
> > read
> > > > > > that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of muscle
> > tears
> > > > and
> > > > > > damage.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle
damage
> > > > include
> > > > > > micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are in
the
> > > > higher
> > > > > > end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle at a
> > faster
> > > > rate
> > > > > > than normal? I am also thinking in general about the possible
> > effects
> > > > on my
> > > > > > training and muscle development. Any thoughts?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Steph.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thyroid hormones do play a role in healing and muscle building,
but
> > not
> > > > > the way you're proposing. If your thyroid hormone levels are too
low,
> > > > > you may have some trouble building muscle, and you may have
trouble
> > > > > losing fat. If your thyroid levels are too high, you'll generally
be
> > in
> > > > > an overall catabolic state in which you lose both muscle and fat -
you
> > > > > might be able to maintain muscle if you're lucky, but gaining
muscle
> > > > > while hyperthyroid (regardless of whether the hyperthyroidism is
> > > > > endogenous or exogenous) is damn near impossible without
> > pharmaceutical
> > > > > assistance of a different type. If your thyroid levels are within
the
> > > > > range that's optimal for you, then with proper diet and exercise,
you
> > > > > can gain muscle at whatever rate is normal for you.
> > > > >
> > > > > IOW there is no level of thyoid hormones that would allow you to
gain
> > > > > muscle at an accelerated rate. Your massive gain was, IMO, due to
> > > > > simple measurement error.
> > > >
> > > > I gained plenty of muscle while my FT3 was way too high (I was
hyper)
> > and
> > > > 100% guarantee it wasn't measurement error. There are exceptions to
the
> > > > rules.
> > >
> > > Yes, there are a few exceptions to that particular "rule". In any
case,
> > > you gained muscle in spite of your T3 being too high, not because of
> > > it. Again, there's no level of thyroid hormones that allows one to
gain
> > > muscle at an *accelerated* rate. The gain Steph claims is absurd.
> > >
> >
> > Do you think geek_girl is talking about me or another Staph? I only say
> > this because geek_girl talks about Staph in the 3rd person?
>
> Having trouble following the conversation, are you? Geek_girl was
> referring to Staph in the 3rd person because geek_girl was responding
> to Richard. Staph should have already known this, but apparently Staph
> is a little slow.
>

"Stephan Carydakis" <steph777@netspace.net.au> wrote in message
news:el01l9$187f$1@otis.netspace.net.au...
> Staph is having trouble following life today. Staph is sorry for the
> inconvenience. Hey there's another symptom - cloudiness and/or stupidity.
Or
> was I born with that - can't seem to remember.

You lose your thyroid, its like losing your mind.

Mine is slowly coming back online thanks to levoxyl, scooby doo vitamins and
now, bi-weekly depotestosterone injections (Rx).

Richard

> "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1165188890.825680.320000@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > > "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1165077289.748144.74560@l12g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > Richard wrote:
> > > > > "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1165006698.911101.267930@79g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > > Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth of
> my
> > > biceps
> > > > > > > over the last year and I remembered something. I have no
> Thyroid
> > > gland
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is T4
> only).
> > > I
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about
every
> cell
> > > > > type in
> > > > > > > the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I have
> also
> > > read
> > > > > > > that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of
muscle
> > > tears
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > damage.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle
> damage
> > > > > include
> > > > > > > micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are
in
> the
> > > > > higher
> > > > > > > end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle at
a
> > > faster
> > > > > rate
> > > > > > > than normal? I am also thinking in general about the possible
> > > effects
> > > > > on my
> > > > > > > training and muscle development. Any thoughts?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Steph.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thyroid hormones do play a role in healing and muscle building,
> but
> > > not
> > > > > > the way you're proposing. If your thyroid hormone levels are too
> low,
> > > > > > you may have some trouble building muscle, and you may have
> trouble
> > > > > > losing fat. If your thyroid levels are too high, you'll
generally
> be
> > > in
> > > > > > an overall catabolic state in which you lose both muscle and
fat -
> you
> > > > > > might be able to maintain muscle if you're lucky, but gaining
> muscle
> > > > > > while hyperthyroid (regardless of whether the hyperthyroidism is
> > > > > > endogenous or exogenous) is damn near impossible without
> > > pharmaceutical
> > > > > > assistance of a different type. If your thyroid levels are
within
> the
> > > > > > range that's optimal for you, then with proper diet and
exercise,
> you
> > > > > > can gain muscle at whatever rate is normal for you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > IOW there is no level of thyoid hormones that would allow you to
> gain
> > > > > > muscle at an accelerated rate. Your massive gain was, IMO, due
to
> > > > > > simple measurement error.
> > > > >
> > > > > I gained plenty of muscle while my FT3 was way too high (I was
> hyper)
> > > and
> > > > > 100% guarantee it wasn't measurement error. There are exceptions
to
> the
> > > > > rules.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, there are a few exceptions to that particular "rule". In any
> case,
> > > > you gained muscle in spite of your T3 being too high, not because of
> > > > it. Again, there's no level of thyroid hormones that allows one to
> gain
> > > > muscle at an *accelerated* rate. The gain Steph claims is absurd.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Do you think geek_girl is talking about me or another Staph? I only
say
> > > this because geek_girl talks about Staph in the 3rd person?
> >
> > Having trouble following the conversation, are you? Geek_girl was
> > referring to Staph in the 3rd person because geek_girl was responding
> > to Richard. Staph should have already known this, but apparently Staph
> > is a little slow.
> >
>
>

Stephan Carydakis wrote:
(top posting fixed)

> "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1165188890.825680.320000@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > > "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:1165077289.748144.74560@l12g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > Richard wrote:
> > > > > "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > news:1165006698.911101.267930@79g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > > Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth of
> my
> > > biceps
> > > > > > > over the last year and I remembered something. I have no
> Thyroid
> > > gland
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is T4
> only).
> > > I
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about every
> cell
> > > > > type in
> > > > > > > the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I have
> also
> > > read
> > > > > > > that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of muscle
> > > tears
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > damage.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle
> damage
> > > > > include
> > > > > > > micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are in
> the
> > > > > higher
> > > > > > > end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle at a
> > > faster
> > > > > rate
> > > > > > > than normal? I am also thinking in general about the possible
> > > effects
> > > > > on my
> > > > > > > training and muscle development. Any thoughts?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Steph.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thyroid hormones do play a role in healing and muscle building,
> but
> > > not
> > > > > > the way you're proposing. If your thyroid hormone levels are too
> low,
> > > > > > you may have some trouble building muscle, and you may have
> trouble
> > > > > > losing fat. If your thyroid levels are too high, you'll generally
> be
> > > in
> > > > > > an overall catabolic state in which you lose both muscle and fat -
> you
> > > > > > might be able to maintain muscle if you're lucky, but gaining
> muscle
> > > > > > while hyperthyroid (regardless of whether the hyperthyroidism is
> > > > > > endogenous or exogenous) is damn near impossible without
> > > pharmaceutical
> > > > > > assistance of a different type. If your thyroid levels are within
> the
> > > > > > range that's optimal for you, then with proper diet and exercise,
> you
> > > > > > can gain muscle at whatever rate is normal for you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > IOW there is no level of thyoid hormones that would allow you to
> gain
> > > > > > muscle at an accelerated rate. Your massive gain was, IMO, due to
> > > > > > simple measurement error.
> > > > >
> > > > > I gained plenty of muscle while my FT3 was way too high (I was
> hyper)
> > > and
> > > > > 100% guarantee it wasn't measurement error. There are exceptions to
> the
> > > > > rules.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, there are a few exceptions to that particular "rule". In any
> case,
> > > > you gained muscle in spite of your T3 being too high, not because of
> > > > it. Again, there's no level of thyroid hormones that allows one to
> gain
> > > > muscle at an *accelerated* rate. The gain Steph claims is absurd.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Do you think geek_girl is talking about me or another Staph? I only say
> > > this because geek_girl talks about Staph in the 3rd person?
> >
> > Having trouble following the conversation, are you? Geek_girl was
> > referring to Staph in the 3rd person because geek_girl was responding
> > to Richard. Staph should have already known this, but apparently Staph
> > is a little slow.
> >
> Staph is having trouble following life today. Staph is sorry for the
> inconvenience. Hey there's another symptom - cloudiness and/or stupidity. Or
> was I born with that - can't seem to remember.
>

I was under the impression that your thyroid condition was being
adequately treated, in which case you should no longer be having
hypothyroid brain fog. Therefore, I'm going to have to assume that
either you were born confused, or you're under the influence of some
drug(s) other than those prescribed for your thyroid condition.

"geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1165261663.131740.290400@n67g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> (top posting fixed)
>
> > "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1165188890.825680.320000@j72g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> > >
> > > Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > > > "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:1165077289.748144.74560@l12g2000cwl.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > Richard wrote:
> > > > > > "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > > > news:1165006698.911101.267930@79g2000cws.googlegro ups.com...
> > > > > > > Stephan Carydakis wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi All,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was just thinking about the recent comments on the growth
of
> > my
> > > > biceps
> > > > > > > > over the last year and I remembered something. I have no
> > Thyroid
> > > > gland
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > use hormone replacement in the form of Thyroxin (which is
T4
> > only).
> > > > I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > read that Thyroid hormones have some effect on just about
every
> > cell
> > > > > > type in
> > > > > > > > the body but especially on the slow-twitch muscle type. I
have
> > also
> > > > read
> > > > > > > > that Thyroid hormones play a major role in the healing of
muscle
> > > > tears
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > damage.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Does the role of Thyroid hormones in the healing of muscle
> > damage
> > > > > > include
> > > > > > > > micro-tears as in building muscle. If yes, and my levels are
in
> > the
> > > > > > higher
> > > > > > > > end of the range, could this contribute to building muscle
at a
> > > > faster
> > > > > > rate
> > > > > > > > than normal? I am also thinking in general about the
possible
> > > > effects
> > > > > > on my
> > > > > > > > training and muscle development. Any thoughts?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Steph.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thyroid hormones do play a role in healing and muscle
building,
> > but
> > > > not
> > > > > > > the way you're proposing. If your thyroid hormone levels are
too
> > low,
> > > > > > > you may have some trouble building muscle, and you may have
> > trouble
> > > > > > > losing fat. If your thyroid levels are too high, you'll
generally
> > be
> > > > in
> > > > > > > an overall catabolic state in which you lose both muscle and
fat -
> > you
> > > > > > > might be able to maintain muscle if you're lucky, but gaining
> > muscle
> > > > > > > while hyperthyroid (regardless of whether the hyperthyroidism
is
> > > > > > > endogenous or exogenous) is damn near impossible without
> > > > pharmaceutical
> > > > > > > assistance of a different type. If your thyroid levels are
within
> > the
> > > > > > > range that's optimal for you, then with proper diet and
exercise,
> > you
> > > > > > > can gain muscle at whatever rate is normal for you.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > IOW there is no level of thyoid hormones that would allow you
to
> > gain
> > > > > > > muscle at an accelerated rate. Your massive gain was, IMO, due
to
> > > > > > > simple measurement error.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I gained plenty of muscle while my FT3 was way too high (I was
> > hyper)
> > > > and
> > > > > > 100% guarantee it wasn't measurement error. There are exceptions
to
> > the
> > > > > > rules.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, there are a few exceptions to that particular "rule". In any
> > case,
> > > > > you gained muscle in spite of your T3 being too high, not because
of
> > > > > it. Again, there's no level of thyroid hormones that allows one to
> > gain
> > > > > muscle at an *accelerated* rate. The gain Steph claims is absurd.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Do you think geek_girl is talking about me or another Staph? I only
say
> > > > this because geek_girl talks about Staph in the 3rd person?
> > >
> > > Having trouble following the conversation, are you? Geek_girl was
> > > referring to Staph in the 3rd person because geek_girl was responding
> > > to Richard. Staph should have already known this, but apparently Staph
> > > is a little slow.
> > >
> > Staph is having trouble following life today. Staph is sorry for the
> > inconvenience. Hey there's another symptom - cloudiness and/or
stupidity. Or
> > was I born with that - can't seem to remember.
> >
>
> I was under the impression that your thyroid condition was being
> adequately treated, in which case you should no longer be having
> hypothyroid brain fog. Therefore, I'm going to have to assume that
> either you were born confused, or you're under the influence of some
> drug(s) other than those prescribed for your thyroid condition.
>

It is being treated but I don't have a thyroid condition because you'd
probably need a thyroid gland for that. It was removed 18 years ago. I
certainly do still get brain fog. I still experience many symptoms of both
hypo and hyper. This is not unusual. Most of the time the symptoms are minor
but from time to time, they are more prevalent. I just had a brain fog cycle
that lasted for about 4 days. It was very difficult to remember words,
places, names etc I know I knew. As I said, being born with a tendency for
that only compounds the problem!

peace.