enough back exercises?

my main lifts currently consist of squats, flat bench, and hang cleans
/ push presses.

is the combo of squats, cleans / presses good enough for the back, or
should i probably add a pull?

i also toss in some incline dumbbell presses at the end of most
workouts and occasionally curls for vanity and do pullups at home
(unweighted- just trying to increase reps).

ed wrote:
> my main lifts currently consist of squats, flat bench, and hang cleans
> / push presses.
>
> is the combo of squats, cleans / presses good enough for the back, or
> should i probably add a pull?

Personally, I would add in a pull (rowing) exercise.

>
> i also toss in some incline dumbbell presses at the end of most
> workouts

Why most workouts?

> and occasionally curls for vanity and do pullups at home
> (unweighted- just trying to increase reps).



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matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Bully wrote:
> ed wrote:
> > my main lifts currently consist of squats, flat bench, and hang cleans
> > / push presses.
> >
> > is the combo of squats, cleans / presses good enough for the back, or
> > should i probably add a pull?
>
> Personally, I would add in a pull (rowing) exercise.
>
> >
> > i also toss in some incline dumbbell presses at the end of most
> > workouts
>
> Why most workouts?

because it seems to be working. ;D

> > and occasionally curls for vanity and do pullups at home
> > (unweighted- just trying to increase reps).

ed wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>> ed wrote:
>>> my main lifts currently consist of squats, flat bench, and hang
>>> cleans / push presses.
>>>
>>> is the combo of squats, cleans / presses good enough for the back,
>>> or should i probably add a pull?
>>
>> Personally, I would add in a pull (rowing) exercise.
>>
>>>
>>> i also toss in some incline dumbbell presses at the end of most
>>> workouts
>>
>> Why most workouts?
>
> because it seems to be working. ;D

In what respect?


>
>>> and occasionally curls for vanity and do pullups at home
>>> (unweighted- just trying to increase reps).


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matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Bully wrote:
> ed wrote:
> > Bully wrote:
> >> ed wrote:
> >>> my main lifts currently consist of squats, flat bench, and hang
> >>> cleans / push presses.
> >>>
> >>> is the combo of squats, cleans / presses good enough for the back,
> >>> or should i probably add a pull?
> >>
> >> Personally, I would add in a pull (rowing) exercise.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> i also toss in some incline dumbbell presses at the end of most
> >>> workouts
> >>
> >> Why most workouts?
> >
> > because it seems to be working. ;D
>
> In what respect?

pure vanity. ;D flat bench is doing a nice job of adding strength for
me, but it doesn't seem to do much sizewise / aesthetically for me.
dumbbell inclines seem to be doing a nice job of making my chest appear
thicker.

"ed" <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote in message
news:1167860266.383894.7080@42g2000cwt.googlegroup s.com...
> Bully wrote:
>> ed wrote:
>> > Bully wrote:
>> >> ed wrote:
>> >>> my main lifts currently consist of squats, flat bench, and hang
>> >>> cleans / push presses.
>> >>>
>> >>> is the combo of squats, cleans / presses good enough for the
>> >>> back,
>> >>> or should i probably add a pull?
>> >>
>> >> Personally, I would add in a pull (rowing) exercise.
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>> i also toss in some incline dumbbell presses at the end of most
>> >>> workouts
>> >>
>> >> Why most workouts?
>> >
>> > because it seems to be working. ;D
>>
>> In what respect?
>
> pure vanity. ;D flat bench is doing a nice job of adding strength
> for
> me, but it doesn't seem to do much sizewise / aesthetically for me.
> dumbbell inclines seem to be doing a nice job of making my chest
> appear
> thicker.

If you want your chest to appear thicker or otherwise different,
implants are available.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Steve Freides wrote:
> "ed" <news@atwistedweb.com> wrote in message
> news:1167860266.383894.7080@42g2000cwt.googlegroup s.com...
> > Bully wrote:
> >> ed wrote:
> >> > Bully wrote:
> >> >> ed wrote:
> >> >>> my main lifts currently consist of squats, flat bench, and hang
> >> >>> cleans / push presses.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> is the combo of squats, cleans / presses good enough for the
> >> >>> back,
> >> >>> or should i probably add a pull?
> >> >>
> >> >> Personally, I would add in a pull (rowing) exercise.
> >> >>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> i also toss in some incline dumbbell presses at the end of most
> >> >>> workouts
> >> >>
> >> >> Why most workouts?
> >> >
> >> > because it seems to be working. ;D
> >>
> >> In what respect?
> >
> > pure vanity. ;D flat bench is doing a nice job of adding strength
> > for
> > me, but it doesn't seem to do much sizewise / aesthetically for me.
> > dumbbell inclines seem to be doing a nice job of making my chest
> > appear
> > thicker.
>
> If you want your chest to appear thicker or otherwise different,
> implants are available.

or, i could just do my incline dumbbells, which are working well...

ed wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>> ed wrote:
>>> Bully wrote:
>>>> ed wrote:
>>>>> my main lifts currently consist of squats, flat bench, and hang
>>>>> cleans / push presses.
>>>>>
>>>>> is the combo of squats, cleans / presses good enough for the back,
>>>>> or should i probably add a pull?
>>>>
>>>> Personally, I would add in a pull (rowing) exercise.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i also toss in some incline dumbbell presses at the end of most
>>>>> workouts
>>>>
>>>> Why most workouts?
>>>
>>> because it seems to be working. ;D
>>
>> In what respect?
>
> pure vanity. ;D flat bench is doing a nice job of adding strength
> for me, but it doesn't seem to do much sizewise / aesthetically for
> me. dumbbell inclines seem to be doing a nice job of making my chest
> appear thicker.

Fair enough. How many times per week do you workout?

--
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Bully wrote:
> ed wrote:
<snip>
> >>>>> i also toss in some incline dumbbell presses at the end of most
> >>>>> workouts
> >>>>
> >>>> Why most workouts?
> >>>
> >>> because it seems to be working. ;D
> >>
> >> In what respect?
> >
> > pure vanity. ;D flat bench is doing a nice job of adding strength
> > for me, but it doesn't seem to do much sizewise / aesthetically for
> > me. dumbbell inclines seem to be doing a nice job of making my chest
> > appear thicker.
>
> Fair enough. How many times per week do you workout?

every other day (so either 3 or 4, to the calendar week) in the gym. i
do pushups / pullups / run on the other days.

Bully wrote:
> ed wrote:
> > Bully wrote:
> >> ed wrote:
> > <snip>
> >>>>>>> i also toss in some incline dumbbell presses at the end of most
> >>>>>>> workouts
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Why most workouts?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> because it seems to be working. ;D
> >>>>
> >>>> In what respect?
> >>>
> >>> pure vanity. ;D flat bench is doing a nice job of adding strength
> >>> for me, but it doesn't seem to do much sizewise / aesthetically for
> >>> me. dumbbell inclines seem to be doing a nice job of making my chest
> >>> appear thicker.
> >>
> >> Fair enough. How many times per week do you workout?
> >
> > every other day (so either 3 or 4, to the calendar week) in the gym.
> > i do pushups / pullups / run on the other days.
>
> Ed, where are you based?

i'm in souther california. why?

ed wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>> ed wrote:
> <snip>
>>>>>>> i also toss in some incline dumbbell presses at the end of most
>>>>>>> workouts
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why most workouts?
>>>>>
>>>>> because it seems to be working. ;D
>>>>
>>>> In what respect?
>>>
>>> pure vanity. ;D flat bench is doing a nice job of adding strength
>>> for me, but it doesn't seem to do much sizewise / aesthetically for
>>> me. dumbbell inclines seem to be doing a nice job of making my chest
>>> appear thicker.
>>
>> Fair enough. How many times per week do you workout?
>
> every other day (so either 3 or 4, to the calendar week) in the gym.
> i do pushups / pullups / run on the other days.

Ed, where are you based?

--
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

ed wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>> ed wrote:
>>> Bully wrote:
>>>> ed wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>> i also toss in some incline dumbbell presses at the end of
>>>>>>>>> most workouts
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Why most workouts?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> because it seems to be working. ;D
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In what respect?
>>>>>
>>>>> pure vanity. ;D flat bench is doing a nice job of adding
>>>>> strength for me, but it doesn't seem to do much sizewise /
>>>>> aesthetically for me. dumbbell inclines seem to be doing a nice
>>>>> job of making my chest appear thicker.
>>>>
>>>> Fair enough. How many times per week do you workout?
>>>
>>> every other day (so either 3 or 4, to the calendar week) in the gym.
>>> i do pushups / pullups / run on the other days.
>>
>> Ed, where are you based?
>
> i'm in souther california. why?

I was wondering wtf you are doing posting at this time of the day/night
!!!

Where in SoCal?

--
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Bully wrote:
> ed wrote:
> > Bully wrote:
> >> ed wrote:
> >>> Bully wrote:
> >>>> ed wrote:
> >>> <snip>
> >>>>>>>>> i also toss in some incline dumbbell presses at the end of
> >>>>>>>>> most workouts
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Why most workouts?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> because it seems to be working. ;D
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> In what respect?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> pure vanity. ;D flat bench is doing a nice job of adding
> >>>>> strength for me, but it doesn't seem to do much sizewise /
> >>>>> aesthetically for me. dumbbell inclines seem to be doing a nice
> >>>>> job of making my chest appear thicker.
> >>>>
> >>>> Fair enough. How many times per week do you workout?
> >>>
> >>> every other day (so either 3 or 4, to the calendar week) in the gym.
> >>> i do pushups / pullups / run on the other days.
> >>
> >> Ed, where are you based?
> >
> > i'm in souther california. why?
>
> I was wondering wtf you are doing posting at this time of the day/night
> !!!

i tend to have a hard time falling asleep, so am often up late. ;D

> Where in SoCal?

up in the boonies - palmdale

ed wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>> ed wrote:
>>> Bully wrote:
>>>> ed wrote:
>>>>> Bully wrote:
>>>>>> ed wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>> i also toss in some incline dumbbell presses at the end of
>>>>>>>>>>> most workouts
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why most workouts?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> because it seems to be working. ;D
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In what respect?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pure vanity. ;D flat bench is doing a nice job of adding
>>>>>>> strength for me, but it doesn't seem to do much sizewise /
>>>>>>> aesthetically for me. dumbbell inclines seem to be doing a nice
>>>>>>> job of making my chest appear thicker.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fair enough. How many times per week do you workout?
>>>>>
>>>>> every other day (so either 3 or 4, to the calendar week) in the
>>>>> gym. i do pushups / pullups / run on the other days.
>>>>
>>>> Ed, where are you based?
>>>
>>> i'm in souther california. why?
>>
>> I was wondering wtf you are doing posting at this time of the
>> day/night !!!
>
> i tend to have a hard time falling asleep, so am often up late. ;D
>
>> Where in SoCal?
>
> up in the boonies - palmdale

Would you recommend Palmdale for any reason as a tourist resort? We're in
the area in April this year.

--
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matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Bully wrote:
> ed wrote:
<snip>
> >> Where in SoCal?
> >
> > up in the boonies - palmdale
>
> Would you recommend Palmdale for any reason as a tourist resort? We're in
> the area in April this year.

heck no, palmdale's not good for tourists. you might be thinking of
palm springs. which is really good if you like golf and rock climbing.
or spas.

where are you going to be? there are lots of good things out here, but
'socal' covers a *huge* area, and many people will call places outside
socal, socal. what sort of things do you enjoy?

<snip>

ed wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>> ed wrote:
> <snip>
>>>> Where in SoCal?
>>>
>>> up in the boonies - palmdale
>>
>> Would you recommend Palmdale for any reason as a tourist resort?
>> We're in the area in April this year.
>
> heck no, palmdale's not good for tourists. you might be thinking of
> palm springs.

No, I know of Palm Springs [and 29 Palms]; was just curious if Palmdale
offered anything.

> which is really good if you like golf and rock
> climbing. or spas.
>
> where are you going to be?

Well, we start in Vegas ! Then fly ot SJC & driving the PCH from San Fran
down to San Diego.

> there are lots of good things out here,
> but 'socal' covers a *huge* area, and many people will call places
> outside socal, socal. what sort of things do you enjoy?

Consider we have 3 kids then ask another question !


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matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Bully wrote:
> ed wrote:
> > Bully wrote:
> >> ed wrote:
> > <snip>
> >>>> Where in SoCal?
> >>>
> >>> up in the boonies - palmdale
> >>
> >> Would you recommend Palmdale for any reason as a tourist resort?
> >> We're in the area in April this year.
> >
> > heck no, palmdale's not good for tourists. you might be thinking of
> > palm springs.
>
> No, I know of Palm Springs [and 29 Palms]; was just curious if Palmdale
> offered anything.

yeah, not so much. ;D

> > which is really good if you like golf and rock
> > climbing. or spas.
> >
> > where are you going to be?
>
> Well, we start in Vegas ! Then fly ot SJC & driving the PCH from San Fran
> down to San Diego.

nice, sounds like a good trip...

> > there are lots of good things out here,
> > but 'socal' covers a *huge* area, and many people will call places
> > outside socal, socal. what sort of things do you enjoy?
>
> Consider we have 3 kids then ask another question !

other than some great scenery, i don't know much about what might be of
interest up towards san jose (especially with kids), but once you get
down into the central valley, i'd recommend a stop at hearst castle in
san simeon. absolutely awesome. and you can do some great sea lion
watching up on the coast there too. san diego obviously has the
zoo and wild animal park, sea world, etc... other than that, not
having kids, i can't think of anything else that kids might find
interesting.

ed wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>> ed wrote:
>>> Bully wrote:
>>>> ed wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>>>> Where in SoCal?
>>>>>
>>>>> up in the boonies - palmdale
>>>>
>>>> Would you recommend Palmdale for any reason as a tourist resort?
>>>> We're in the area in April this year.
>>>
>>> heck no, palmdale's not good for tourists. you might be thinking of
>>> palm springs.
>>
>> No, I know of Palm Springs [and 29 Palms]; was just curious if
>> Palmdale offered anything.
>
> yeah, not so much. ;D
>
>>> which is really good if you like golf and rock
>>> climbing. or spas.
>>>
>>> where are you going to be?
>>
>> Well, we start in Vegas ! Then fly ot SJC & driving the PCH from
>> San Fran down to San Diego.
>
> nice, sounds like a good trip...

Oh yes ! 4 nights in Vegas, 5 in San Diego and a cool road trip in=between
!!!

>
>>> there are lots of good things out here,
>>> but 'socal' covers a *huge* area, and many people will call places
>>> outside socal, socal. what sort of things do you enjoy?
>>
>> Consider we have 3 kids then ask another question !
>
> other than some great scenery, i don't know much about what might be
> of interest up towards san jose (especially with kids), but once you
> get down into the central valley, i'd recommend a stop at hearst
> castle in san simeon.

We're staying a night at Morro Bay, so we will do Hearst from there!

> absolutely awesome. and you can do some great
> sea lion watching up on the coast there too. san diego obviously
> has the zoo and wild animal park, sea world, etc... other than that,
> not having kids, i can't think of anything else that kids might find
> interesting.

Motor cycle racing for our 2 boys [and me, and the wife]! Or surfing. Or
zoos, or Sea World. etc. etc..



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matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Bully wrote:
> ed wrote:
> > Bully wrote:
> >> ed wrote:
> >>> Bully wrote:
> >>>> ed wrote:
> >>> <snip>
> >>>>>> Where in SoCal?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> up in the boonies - palmdale
> >>>>
> >>>> Would you recommend Palmdale for any reason as a tourist resort?
> >>>> We're in the area in April this year.
> >>>
> >>> heck no, palmdale's not good for tourists. you might be thinking of
> >>> palm springs.
> >>
> >> No, I know of Palm Springs [and 29 Palms]; was just curious if
> >> Palmdale offered anything.
> >
> > yeah, not so much. ;D
> >
> >>> which is really good if you like golf and rock
> >>> climbing. or spas.
> >>>
> >>> where are you going to be?
> >>
> >> Well, we start in Vegas ! Then fly ot SJC & driving the PCH from
> >> San Fran down to San Diego.
> >
> > nice, sounds like a good trip...
>
> Oh yes ! 4 nights in Vegas, 5 in San Diego and a cool road trip in=between
> !!!
>
> >
> >>> there are lots of good things out here,
> >>> but 'socal' covers a *huge* area, and many people will call places
> >>> outside socal, socal. what sort of things do you enjoy?
> >>
> >> Consider we have 3 kids then ask another question !
> >
> > other than some great scenery, i don't know much about what might be
> > of interest up towards san jose (especially with kids), but once you
> > get down into the central valley, i'd recommend a stop at hearst
> > castle in san simeon.
>
> We're staying a night at Morro Bay, so we will do Hearst from there!

sweet- morro bay is very nice. romantic for two- i'm not so sure about
with the kids though...

> > absolutely awesome. and you can do some great
> > sea lion watching up on the coast there too. san diego obviously
> > has the zoo and wild animal park, sea world, etc... other than that,
> > not having kids, i can't think of anything else that kids might find
> > interesting.
>
> Motor cycle racing for our 2 boys [and me, and the wife]! Or surfing. Or
> zoos, or Sea World. etc. etc..

actually, then palmdale might not be *that* bad a stop depending on
when you're out here- there's racing every third weekend of the month
at willow springs, which is only about 10-15 miles from palmdale. it's
club racing, but there's some seriously fast guys, and you can walk
right around by the pits, talk to the racers, etc.

ed wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>> ed wrote:
>>> Bully wrote:
>>>> ed wrote:
>>>>> Bully wrote:
>>>>>> ed wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>> Where in SoCal?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> up in the boonies - palmdale
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Would you recommend Palmdale for any reason as a tourist resort?
>>>>>> We're in the area in April this year.
>>>>>
>>>>> heck no, palmdale's not good for tourists. you might be thinking
>>>>> of palm springs.
>>>>
>>>> No, I know of Palm Springs [and 29 Palms]; was just curious if
>>>> Palmdale offered anything.
>>>
>>> yeah, not so much. ;D
>>>
>>>>> which is really good if you like golf and rock
>>>>> climbing. or spas.
>>>>>
>>>>> where are you going to be?
>>>>
>>>> Well, we start in Vegas ! Then fly ot SJC & driving the PCH from
>>>> San Fran down to San Diego.
>>>
>>> nice, sounds like a good trip...
>>
>> Oh yes ! 4 nights in Vegas, 5 in San Diego and a cool road trip
>> in=between !!!
>>
>>>
>>>>> there are lots of good things out here,
>>>>> but 'socal' covers a *huge* area, and many people will call places
>>>>> outside socal, socal. what sort of things do you enjoy?
>>>>
>>>> Consider we have 3 kids then ask another question !
>>>
>>> other than some great scenery, i don't know much about what might be
>>> of interest up towards san jose (especially with kids), but once you
>>> get down into the central valley, i'd recommend a stop at hearst
>>> castle in san simeon.
>>
>> We're staying a night at Morro Bay, so we will do Hearst from there!
>
> sweet- morro bay is very nice. romantic for two- i'm not so sure
> about with the kids though...

Yeah well, we'll just have to dump em for a while! Handy we're taking my
bro-in-law along with us then !

>
>>> absolutely awesome. and you can do some great
>>> sea lion watching up on the coast there too. san diego
>>> obviously has the zoo and wild animal park, sea world, etc...
>>> other than that, not having kids, i can't think of anything else
>>> that kids might find interesting.
>>
>> Motor cycle racing for our 2 boys [and me, and the wife]! Or
>> surfing. Or zoos, or Sea World. etc. etc..
>
> actually, then palmdale might not be *that* bad a stop depending on
> when you're out here- there's racing every third weekend of the month
> at willow springs, which is only about 10-15 miles from palmdale.

I know!

> it's club racing,

I know!

> but there's some seriously fast guys,

You ?


> and you can
> walk right around by the pits, talk to the racers, etc.

I guessed!



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matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Bully wrote:
> ed wrote:
<snip>
> >>> absolutely awesome. and you can do some great
> >>> sea lion watching up on the coast there too. san diego
> >>> obviously has the zoo and wild animal park, sea world, etc...
> >>> other than that, not having kids, i can't think of anything else
> >>> that kids might find interesting.
> >>
> >> Motor cycle racing for our 2 boys [and me, and the wife]! Or
> >> surfing. Or zoos, or Sea World. etc. etc..
> >
> > actually, then palmdale might not be *that* bad a stop depending on
> > when you're out here- there's racing every third weekend of the month
> > at willow springs, which is only about 10-15 miles from palmdale.
>
> I know!
>
> > it's club racing,
>
> I know!
>
> > but there's some seriously fast guys,
>
> You ?

no, i'm slow as dirt, and don't race- was going to try to start last
year, but a couple get'offs (http://www.atwistedweb.com/) got expensive
real quick. trying to start soon though...

> > and you can
> > walk right around by the pits, talk to the racers, etc.
>
> I guessed!