Exercise? But I hate exercise!

Hello,

When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm an
adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
much for me. I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the park,
before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump*
before that!

I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
for someone like me?

Also, I would like for my kids to have a chance at better fitness than
I've got. They are, presently, ages 11-16, and some of them dislike
exercise as much as I did. What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
exercises would you recommend for them?

In particular, let's NOT do the exercises that would help them lose
weight. They don't need that.

Thank you very much!

Ted Shoemaker

<shoemakerted@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1162925474.921345.168260@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Hello,
>
> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm
> an
> adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
> recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
> much for me. I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the
> park,
> before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump*
> before that!
>
> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
> for someone like me?

Walk. Start by doing simple things like parking at the far end of the
parking lot, increase gradually. Find a pleasureable destination if you
can.

> Also, I would like for my kids to have a chance at better fitness than
> I've got. They are, presently, ages 11-16, and some of them dislike
> exercise as much as I did. What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
> exercises would you recommend for them?
>
> In particular, let's NOT do the exercises that would help them lose
> weight. They don't need that.

Walking is fine for kids, too.

Find what they like or if they have friends that play a sport they might
like.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

> Thank you very much!
>
> Ted Shoemaker
>

Steve Freides wrote:

> <shoemakerted@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1162925474.921345.168260@h54g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Hello,
>>
>>When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm
>>an
>>adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
>>recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
>>much for me. I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the
>>park,
>>before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump*
>>before that!
>>
>>I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
>>for someone like me?
>
>
> Walk. Start by doing simple things like parking at the far end of the
> parking lot, increase gradually. Find a pleasureable destination if you
> can.
>
>
>>Also, I would like for my kids to have a chance at better fitness than
>>I've got. They are, presently, ages 11-16, and some of them dislike
>>exercise as much as I did. What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
>>exercises would you recommend for them?
>>
>>In particular, let's NOT do the exercises that would help them lose
>>weight. They don't need that.
>
>
> Walking is fine for kids, too.

Especially if you are walking to, or at, an interesting place that they
enjoy. Go to a zoo and walk. Take a hike over an interesting trail. Take
a walking tour that involves sites that your kids might like. If your
oldest child is thinking about colleges--visit college campuses and take
a walking tour.

> Find what they like or if they have friends that play a sport they might
> like.

Plus, there are activities, like dancing, that aren't sports but offer
exercise. You might try the video game "Dance Dance Revolution." Kids
can burn a lot of calories playing that, and, while it's a video game,
kinds can exercise more than their thumbs playing.

Some activities, while they might be considered sports, can also just be
recreational, non-competitive, and fun. Some that come to mind are
biking, skateboarding, in-line or ice skating, bowling, table tennis
(AKA ping pong), wall climbing, playing paintball (supervised, of
course,) or lazer tag. Or, if water activities might appeal to you or
your kids, try swimming, surfing, boogie boarding, snorkling, or scuba
diving.


Nancy
Unique, like everyone else

Dnia 2006-11-07 shoemakerted@yahoo.com napisa³(a):
> Hello,
>
> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm an
> adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
> recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
> much for me. I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the park,
> before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump*
> before that!
>
> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
> for someone like me?

How can you expect that we will find a solution for you? You say that
you don't like anything physical and ask us to invent something which
you would like regardless. You do not seem to seek a solution. You
seem to seek an excuse.

Fine by me. Walk on your hands for speed or distance. I hope I was
unrealistic enough to provide you with much needed excuses.

> Also, I would like for my kids to have a chance at better fitness than
> I've got. They are, presently, ages 11-16, and some of them dislike
> exercise as much as I did. What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
> exercises would you recommend for them?

Good example.

> In particular, let's NOT do the exercises that would help them lose
> weight. They don't need that.

Gymnastics.

> Thank you very much!

You're welcome.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

shoemakerted@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
> for someone like me?

Whatever appeals to you, just get your butt moving.

> What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
> exercises would you recommend for them?

Whatever appeals to them, just get their butts moving.

Neil

On 7 Nov 2006 10:51:15 -0800, "shoemakerted@yahoo.com"
<shoemakerted@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Hello,
>
>When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm an
>adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
>recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
>much for me. I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the park,
>before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump*
>before that!
>
>I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
>for someone like me?
>
>Also, I would like for my kids to have a chance at better fitness than
>I've got. They are, presently, ages 11-16, and some of them dislike
>exercise as much as I did. What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
>exercises would you recommend for them?
>
>In particular, let's NOT do the exercises that would help them lose
>weight. They don't need that.
>
>Thank you very much!
>
>Ted Shoemaker

For the kids I would recommended any sports offered by school or town
you live in. Sports are usually more fun than just exercising.
They will need to find something they are good at. It isn't going to
be any fun if they are on the bench all the time. Bike riding can be
fun if you live in a rural area.

For yourself I don't know what to recommended. I work with a guy that
did circuit training. You do one set of weights on each piece of
equipment in the circuit. And there is always the cardio equipment
like the treadmill. But if you are 48 and never exercised you will
probably like it less now then you did as a teen. Maybe you could do
something with kids like bike riding or just playing catch with a
baseball.

MothWrangler wrote:

>
> Especially if you are walking to, or at, an interesting place that they
> enjoy. Go to a zoo and walk. Take a hike over an interesting trail. Take
> a walking tour that involves sites that your kids might like. If your
> oldest child is thinking about colleges--visit college campuses and take
> a walking tour.
>

Getting a routine route to walk every day is a good start. It's
exercise. You will increase your abilities. You will discover that it
works for you, just like it works for everyone else. You will discover
that the goons you met in high school PT are no longer part of your life.

You will eventually enjoy it. From there to the 500lb deadlift is just a
matter of time and persistence.

rm

Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Dnia 2006-11-07 shoemakerted@yahoo.com napisa³(a):
>> Hello,
>>
>> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm an
>> adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
>> recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
>> much for me. I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the park,
>> before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump*
>> before that!
>>
>> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
>> for someone like me?
>
>How can you expect that we will find a solution for you? You say that
>you don't like anything physical and ask us to invent something which
>you would like regardless. You do not seem to seek a solution. You
>seem to seek an excuse.
>
>Fine by me. Walk on your hands for speed or distance. I hope I was
>unrealistic enough to provide you with much needed excuses.

You're starting to develop that MFW spirit, Andrzej.

Curt will be so disappointed!

shoemakerted wrote:
> Hello,

Hi.

> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class.

I took three gym classes in my senior year. I loooved PE. Ran cross
country four years (varsity one), track two years, and even took a
rather unsuccessful shot at wrestling in 12th grade, too.

> Now that I'm an adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice
> on exercise. He recommended some exercises that were
> surely good, but it was all too much for me. I need to start
> simply: let's climb the hill by the park, before we climb Mount
> Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump* before that!

One reason many people give up on weights is that they do too many sets
during those first weeks of training. So if you're going to lift, I
recommend you start with one set of 8 to 12 reps for each exercise.
Gradually building up to 3 or 4 sets over the next couple of months.

> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you
> recommend for someone like me?

Well, yes, the attitude adjustment as mentioned elsewhere in this
thread. And a look see at http://theabsdiet.com/ for info on, yeah, the
Abs Diet. That and picking up a men's bodybuilding magazine. Women do
love the male model types, so if you like women then that should serve
as motivation to get back in shape via progressive weight training
a.k.a. bodybuilding.

> Also, I would like for my kids to have a chance at better fitness than
> I've got. They are, presently, ages 11-16, and some of them dislike
> exercise as much as I did. What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
> exercises would you recommend for them?

Just get them involved in sports in general. Soccer, baseball, etc.
Whatever's available. Make your wife drive them to practice. It'll keep
her out of your hair. ;o) And, hey, if you're madly in love then split
the duties. Your kids will thank you and maybe NOT put you in the
nursing home when it's "your time," you lazy bastard. ;o)

> In particular, let's NOT do the exercises that would help them lose
> weight. They don't need that.
>
> Thank you very much!

You're welcome. And another suggestion? Don't cross-post.

> Ted Shoemaker

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"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1162959761.305300.157830@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> shoemakerted wrote:
>> Hello,
>
> Hi.
>
>> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class.
>
> I took three gym classes in my senior year. I loooved PE. Ran cross
> country four years (varsity one), track two years, and even took a
> rather unsuccessful shot at wrestling in 12th grade, too.
>
>> Now that I'm an adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice
>> on exercise. He recommended some exercises that were
>> surely good, but it was all too much for me. I need to start
>> simply: let's climb the hill by the park, before we climb Mount
>> Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump* before that!
>
> One reason many people give up on weights is that they do too many sets
> during those first weeks of training. So if you're going to lift, I
> recommend you start with one set of 8 to 12 reps for each exercise.
> Gradually building up to 3 or 4 sets over the next couple of months.
>
>> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you
>> recommend for someone like me?
>
> Well, yes, the attitude adjustment as mentioned elsewhere in this
> thread. And a look see at http://theabsdiet.com/ for info on, yeah, the
> Abs Diet. That and picking up a men's bodybuilding magazine. Women do
> love the male model types, so if you like women then that should serve
> as motivation to get back in shape via progressive weight training
> a.k.a. bodybuilding.
>
>> Also, I would like for my kids to have a chance at better fitness than
>> I've got. They are, presently, ages 11-16, and some of them dislike
>> exercise as much as I did. What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
>> exercises would you recommend for them?
>
> Just get them involved in sports in general. Soccer, baseball, etc.
> Whatever's available. Make your wife drive them to practice. It'll keep
> her out of your hair. ;o) And, hey, if you're madly in love then split
> the duties. Your kids will thank you and maybe NOT put you in the
> nursing home when it's "your time," you lazy bastard. ;o)
>
>> In particular, let's NOT do the exercises that would help them lose
>> weight. They don't need that.
>>
>> Thank you very much!
>
> You're welcome. And another suggestion? Don't cross-post.
>
>> Ted Shoemaker
>
> --
> Curt
>

"Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net>
wrote:
>
>The Absdiet?
>*targeted fat loss*? Among many other fictions.

Well, it seems that is what MFW has come to: Curt and TheAbsDiet.

Scary shit, huh?

shoemakerted@yahoo.com wrote:
> Hello,
>
> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm
> an adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
> recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
> much for me.

Can you elaborate?

> I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the
> park, before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed
> bump* before that!
>
> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
> for someone like me?
>
> Also, I would like for my kids to have a chance at better fitness than
> I've got. They are, presently, ages 11-16, and some of them dislike
> exercise as much as I did. What kinds of start-at-the-beginning
> exercises would you recommend for them?
>
> In particular, let's NOT do the exercises that would help them lose
> weight. They don't need that.
>
> Thank you very much!
>
> Ted Shoemaker



--
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Curt wrote:
> shoemakerted wrote:
>> Hello,
>
> Hi.
>
>> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class.
>
> I took three gym classes in my senior year. I loooved PE. Ran cross
> country four years (varsity one), track two years, and even took a
> rather unsuccessful shot at wrestling in 12th grade, too.
>
>> Now that I'm an adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice
>> on exercise. He recommended some exercises that were
>> surely good, but it was all too much for me. I need to start
>> simply: let's climb the hill by the park, before we climb Mount
>> Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump* before that!
>
> One reason many people give up on weights is that they do too many
> sets during those first weeks of training. So if you're going to
> lift, I recommend you start with one set of 8 to 12 reps for each
> exercise. Gradually building up to 3 or 4 sets over the next couple
> of months.
>
>> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you
>> recommend for someone like me?
>
> Well, yes, the attitude adjustment as mentioned elsewhere in this
> thread. And a look see at http://theabsdiet.com/ for info on, yeah,
> the Abs Diet. That and picking up a men's bodybuilding magazine.

What for?

[...]

--
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Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Dnia 2006-11-08 JMW napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>Dnia 2006-11-07 shoemakerted@yahoo.com napisa³(a):
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm an
>>> adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
>>> recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
>>> much for me. I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the park,
>>> before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump*
>>> before that!
>>>
>>> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
>>> for someone like me?
>>
>>How can you expect that we will find a solution for you? You say that
>>you don't like anything physical and ask us to invent something which
>>you would like regardless. You do not seem to seek a solution. You
>>seem to seek an excuse.
>>
>>Fine by me. Walk on your hands for speed or distance. I hope I was
>>unrealistic enough to provide you with much needed excuses.
>
> You're starting to develop that MFW spirit, Andrzej.
>
> Curt will be so disappointed!

I believe that this guy needed something on the lines I wrote. His
main problem is, that he wants to be able to say to himself that he
"tried", but was "overcome by obstacles" just to avoid the feeling of
guilt.

So, yes. I think that the best thing in this case is to destroy this
strategy. He might find then some sort of goals, and we might be able
to help him in achieving them.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dnia 2006-11-08 JMW napisa³(a):
>> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>Dnia 2006-11-07 shoemakerted@yahoo.com napisa³(a):
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> When I was a kid, I did NOT like exercise or PE class. Now that I'm an
>>>> adult, I spoke to a trainer, asking for advice on exercise. He
>>>> recommended some exercises that were surely good, but it was all too
>>>> much for me. I need to start simply: let's climb the hill by the park,
>>>> before we climb Mount Everest. Hey, let's climb the *speed bump*
>>>> before that!
>>>>
>>>> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
>>>> for someone like me?
>>>
>>>How can you expect that we will find a solution for you? You say that
>>>you don't like anything physical and ask us to invent something which
>>>you would like regardless. You do not seem to seek a solution. You
>>>seem to seek an excuse.
>>>
>>>Fine by me. Walk on your hands for speed or distance. I hope I was
>>>unrealistic enough to provide you with much needed excuses.
>>
>> You're starting to develop that MFW spirit, Andrzej.
>>
>> Curt will be so disappointed!
>
>I believe that this guy needed something on the lines I wrote. His
>main problem is, that he wants to be able to say to himself that he
>"tried", but was "overcome by obstacles" just to avoid the feeling of
>guilt.
>
>So, yes. I think that the best thing in this case is to destroy this
>strategy. He might find then some sort of goals, and we might be able
>to help him in achieving them.

Yes, Andrzej, that was a well rationalized self-justification. With a
little extra courage, you may learn to accept it for what it is. It's
called the BUTCH THE FUCK UP approach. You see, it been recognized
for over a decade in this newsgroup that those who allow themselves to
whine and avoid effort will never be effective at strength training.
I realize, of course, that such concepts are anathema to the friendly
butt-kissers and hand-holders who see themselves as The New World
Order of this newsgroup, but that's just the way it is.

HTH

Dnia 2006-11-08 JMW napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Dnia 2006-11-08 JMW napisa³(a):
>>>>
>>>>How can you expect that we will find a solution for you? You say that
>>>>you don't like anything physical and ask us to invent something which
>>>>you would like regardless. You do not seem to seek a solution. You
>>>>seem to seek an excuse.
>>>>
>>>>Fine by me. Walk on your hands for speed or distance. I hope I was
>>>>unrealistic enough to provide you with much needed excuses.
>>>
>>> You're starting to develop that MFW spirit, Andrzej.
>>>
>>> Curt will be so disappointed!
>>
>>I believe that this guy needed something on the lines I wrote. His
>>main problem is, that he wants to be able to say to himself that he
>>"tried", but was "overcome by obstacles" just to avoid the feeling of
>>guilt.
>>
>>So, yes. I think that the best thing in this case is to destroy this
>>strategy. He might find then some sort of goals, and we might be able
>>to help him in achieving them.
>
> Yes, Andrzej, that was a well rationalized self-justification. With a
> little extra courage, you may learn to accept it for what it is. It's
> called the BUTCH THE FUCK UP approach.

Right. That would sum it up fine.

> You see, it been recognized
> for over a decade in this newsgroup that those who allow themselves to
> whine and avoid effort will never be effective at strength training.
> I realize, of course, that such concepts are anathema to the friendly
> butt-kissers and hand-holders who see themselves as The New World
> Order of this newsgroup, but that's just the way it is.
>
> HTH

I think there is truth to what you say, and there is truth to what they
say. Discussing this topics without specific examples makes not much
sense.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 08:25:53 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
<bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Dnia 2006-11-08 JMW napisa³(a):
>> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Dnia 2006-11-08 JMW napisa³(a):
>>>>>
>>>>>How can you expect that we will find a solution for you? You say that
>>>>>you don't like anything physical and ask us to invent something which
>>>>>you would like regardless. You do not seem to seek a solution. You
>>>>>seem to seek an excuse.
>>>>>
>>>>>Fine by me. Walk on your hands for speed or distance. I hope I was
>>>>>unrealistic enough to provide you with much needed excuses.
>>>>
>>>> You're starting to develop that MFW spirit, Andrzej.
>>>>
>>>> Curt will be so disappointed!
>>>
>>>I believe that this guy needed something on the lines I wrote. His
>>>main problem is, that he wants to be able to say to himself that he
>>>"tried", but was "overcome by obstacles" just to avoid the feeling of
>>>guilt.
>>>
>>>So, yes. I think that the best thing in this case is to destroy this
>>>strategy. He might find then some sort of goals, and we might be able
>>>to help him in achieving them.
>>
>> Yes, Andrzej, that was a well rationalized self-justification. With a
>> little extra courage, you may learn to accept it for what it is. It's
>> called the BUTCH THE FUCK UP approach.
>
>Right. That would sum it up fine.
>
>> You see, it been recognized
>> for over a decade in this newsgroup that those who allow themselves to
>> whine and avoid effort will never be effective at strength training.
>> I realize, of course, that such concepts are anathema to the friendly
>> butt-kissers and hand-holders who see themselves as The New World
>> Order of this newsgroup, but that's just the way it is.
>>
>> HTH
>
>I think there is truth to what you say, and there is truth to what they
>say. Discussing this topics without specific examples makes not much
>sense.

Unfortunately, John "The Liar" Williams is not very good with
"specific examples" of his rash statements.

That sums up just what sort of a lawyer the lying bastard is!

<shoemakerted@yahoo.com> schreef:

> I'm age 48 and definitely out of shape. So, what would you recommend
> for someone like me?

Lotsa exercise. And diet.

----
Pete

"MothWrangler" <mothwrangler@hotmail.com> schreef:

> Especially if you are walking to, or at, an interesting place that they
> enjoy. Go to a zoo and walk.

You dont think thats a little too intense?

----
Pete

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

>> Well, yes, the attitude adjustment as mentioned elsewhere in this
>> thread. And a look see at http://theabsdiet.com/ for info on, yeah,
>> the Abs Diet. That and picking up a men's bodybuilding magazine.

> What for?

To look at these pictures of muscular men, saturated in oil.

----
Pete

"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> schreef:

> For yourself I don't know what to recommended.

For this guy, i recommend 20 sets of heavy squats, followed by 20 sets of
heavy barbell rows.
Can be done within 2 hours. It wont kill you.

Torturing people can be fun at times...

----
Pete

Have a mandatory "outdoor hour" every day to avoid
the distraction of indoor passive electronic entertainments.
You'll probably start filling it with some sort of activity
out of boredom. Doesn't have to be some rigorous
exercise- just get moving. Enforce the same
outdoor electronic curfew on the kids for an hour each day too.

On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 10:41:21 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> schreef:
>
>> For yourself I don't know what to recommended.
>
>For this guy, i recommend 20 sets of heavy squats, followed by 20 sets of
>heavy barbell rows.
>Can be done within 2 hours. It wont kill you.
>
>Torturing people can be fun at times...

You could drop him into a pool with no ladder to get out. Flopping
around in the water for a few hours would be good exercise.

"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> schreef:

>>For this guy, i recommend 20 sets of heavy squats, followed by 20 sets of
>>heavy barbell rows.
>>Can be done within 2 hours. It wont kill you.

>>Torturing people can be fun at times...

> You could drop him into a pool with no ladder to get out. Flopping
> around in the water for a few hours would be good exercise.

And i am willing to bet he would swim like a fish.

Perhaps we just should send him to a high security "facility", were there
are several 250+ pounders who havent seen a woman for more then a decade.

I am pretty sure that within days he will start to strengthen those muscles,
and stop complaining about the fact that he doesnt like to exercise.

Yeah, putting him together in the same cel as "Tyrone" will help getting him
at the weights.

----
Pete

"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> wrote in message
news:6e53l29npnscp10884ch7hc2le81a0o8i7@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 08:25:53 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
> <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Dnia 2006-11-08 JMW napisa³(a):
>>> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dnia 2006-11-08 JMW napisa³(a):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How can you expect that we will find a solution for you? You say that
>>>>>>you don't like anything physical and ask us to invent something which
>>>>>>you would like regardless. You do not seem to seek a solution. You
>>>>>>seem to seek an excuse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Fine by me. Walk on your hands for speed or distance. I hope I was
>>>>>>unrealistic enough to provide you with much needed excuses.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're starting to develop that MFW spirit, Andrzej.
>>>>>
>>>>> Curt will be so disappointed!
>>>>
>>>>I believe that this guy needed something on the lines I wrote. His
>>>>main problem is, that he wants to be able to say to himself that he
>>>>"tried", but was "overcome by obstacles" just to avoid the feeling of
>>>>guilt.
>>>>
>>>>So, yes. I think that the best thing in this case is to destroy this
>>>>strategy. He might find then some sort of goals, and we might be able
>>>>to help him in achieving them.
>>>
>>> Yes, Andrzej, that was a well rationalized self-justification. With a
>>> little extra courage, you may learn to accept it for what it is. It's
>>> called the BUTCH THE FUCK UP approach.
>>
>>Right. That would sum it up fine.
>>
>>> You see, it been recognized
>>> for over a decade in this newsgroup that those who allow themselves to
>>> whine and avoid effort will never be effective at strength training.
>>> I realize, of course, that such concepts are anathema to the friendly
>>> butt-kissers and hand-holders who see themselves as The New World
>>> Order of this newsgroup, but that's just the way it is.
>>>
>>> HTH
>>
>>I think there is truth to what you say, and there is truth to what they
>>say. Discussing this topics without specific examples makes not much
>>sense.
>
> Unfortunately, John "The Liar" Williams is not very good with
> "specific examples" of his rash statements.
>
> That sums up just what sort of a lawyer the lying bastard is!

Typical of all lawyers, no?
Isn't it pronounced, in some parts, "liar", anyway? As in, I want my liar?
But it does explain a lot--dint know jmw was a pod person.

In addition to being the party nominee for the Independent Party of the
Proctologically Violated®© (M)asses (which, for the unawares, is every
working man, woman, child in the USofA), I am one of the founders of the
International Consortium for the Neutering of All Lawyers, and president of
the American chapter, Americans for Neutering All Lawyers, better by its
acridnym, ANAL.
We recongize the need for lawyers--butt another necessary evil on this
planet-- but we also see the need to limit their procreation.
The real question is, tho, to accomplish sed neutering w/ or without
anaesthesia?
Without would save the state a lot of money.

jmw is a perfect example. Do you really want a case like this procreating?
I think not.

Problem is, we have trouble retaining legal counsel. We do offer, for
anyone willing to do pro boner work, exception from sed operation. They
will still have take something like salt peter, or the Big Pharm equivalent.
--
------
Mr. P.V.'d (formerly Droll Troll), Yonkers, NY

Stop Corruption in Congress & Send the Ultimate Message:
Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.
Ending Corruption in Congress is the *Single Best Way*
to Materially Improve Your Family's Life.
The Solution is so simple--and inexpensive!

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all d'numbuhs

On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:25:31 -0500, "Proctologically Violated©®"
<entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:

>"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> wrote in message
>news:6e53l29npnscp10884ch7hc2le81a0o8i7@4ax.com.. .
>> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 08:25:53 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>> <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Dnia 2006-11-08 JMW napisa³(a):
>>>> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Dnia 2006-11-08 JMW napisa³(a):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How can you expect that we will find a solution for you? You say that
>>>>>>>you don't like anything physical and ask us to invent something which
>>>>>>>you would like regardless. You do not seem to seek a solution. You
>>>>>>>seem to seek an excuse.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Fine by me. Walk on your hands for speed or distance. I hope I was
>>>>>>>unrealistic enough to provide you with much needed excuses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're starting to develop that MFW spirit, Andrzej.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Curt will be so disappointed!
>>>>>
>>>>>I believe that this guy needed something on the lines I wrote. His
>>>>>main problem is, that he wants to be able to say to himself that he
>>>>>"tried", but was "overcome by obstacles" just to avoid the feeling of
>>>>>guilt.
>>>>>
>>>>>So, yes. I think that the best thing in this case is to destroy this
>>>>>strategy. He might find then some sort of goals, and we might be able
>>>>>to help him in achieving them.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, Andrzej, that was a well rationalized self-justification. With a
>>>> little extra courage, you may learn to accept it for what it is. It's
>>>> called the BUTCH THE FUCK UP approach.
>>>
>>>Right. That would sum it up fine.
>>>
>>>> You see, it been recognized
>>>> for over a decade in this newsgroup that those who allow themselves to
>>>> whine and avoid effort will never be effective at strength training.
>>>> I realize, of course, that such concepts are anathema to the friendly
>>>> butt-kissers and hand-holders who see themselves as The New World
>>>> Order of this newsgroup, but that's just the way it is.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>
>>>I think there is truth to what you say, and there is truth to what they
>>>say. Discussing this topics without specific examples makes not much
>>>sense.
>>
>> Unfortunately, John "The Liar" Williams is not very good with
>> "specific examples" of his rash statements.
>>
>> That sums up just what sort of a lawyer the lying bastard is!
>
>Typical of all lawyers, no?
>Isn't it pronounced, in some parts, "liar", anyway? As in, I want my liar?
>But it does explain a lot--dint know jmw was a pod person.
>
>In addition to being the party nominee for the Independent Party of the
>Proctologically Violated®© (M)asses (which, for the unawares, is every
>working man, woman, child in the USofA), I am one of the founders of the
>International Consortium for the Neutering of All Lawyers, and president of
>the American chapter, Americans for Neutering All Lawyers, better by its
>acridnym, ANAL.
>We recongize the need for lawyers--butt another necessary evil on this
>planet-- but we also see the need to limit their procreation.
>The real question is, tho, to accomplish sed neutering w/ or without
>anaesthesia?
>Without would save the state a lot of money.
>
>jmw is a perfect example. Do you really want a case like this procreating?
>I think not.

John "Liar" Williams is impotent and childless, as a search through
the Google archives will bear witness!

HTH!

"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> wrote in message
news:bu84l2tvn9egm28kl5ds5kg6uggoc4gpih@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:25:31 -0500, "Proctologically Violated©®"
> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>
>>"Charles" <jrh@msn.com> wrote in message
>>news:6e53l29npnscp10884ch7hc2le81a0o8i7@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 08:25:53 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>>> <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Dnia 2006-11-08 JMW napisa³(a):
>>>>> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Dnia 2006-11-08 JMW napisa³(a):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How can you expect that we will find a solution for you? You say
>>>>>>>>that
>>>>>>>>you don't like anything physical and ask us to invent something
>>>>>>>>which
>>>>>>>>you would like regardless. You do not seem to seek a solution. You
>>>>>>>>seem to seek an excuse.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Fine by me. Walk on your hands for speed or distance. I hope I was
>>>>>>>>unrealistic enough to provide you with much needed excuses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're starting to develop that MFW spirit, Andrzej.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Curt will be so disappointed!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I believe that this guy needed something on the lines I wrote. His
>>>>>>main problem is, that he wants to be able to say to himself that he
>>>>>>"tried", but was "overcome by obstacles" just to avoid the feeling of
>>>>>>guilt.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, yes. I think that the best thing in this case is to destroy this
>>>>>>strategy. He might find then some sort of goals, and we might be able
>>>>>>to help him in achieving them.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Andrzej, that was a well rationalized self-justification. With a
>>>>> little extra courage, you may learn to accept it for what it is. It's
>>>>> called the BUTCH THE FUCK UP approach.
>>>>
>>>>Right. That would sum it up fine.
>>>>
>>>>> You see, it been recognized
>>>>> for over a decade in this newsgroup that those who allow themselves to
>>>>> whine and avoid effort will never be effective at strength training.
>>>>> I realize, of course, that such concepts are anathema to the friendly
>>>>> butt-kissers and hand-holders who see themselves as The New World
>>>>> Order of this newsgroup, but that's just the way it is.
>>>>>
>>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>>>I think there is truth to what you say, and there is truth to what they
>>>>say. Discussing this topics without specific examples makes not much
>>>>sense.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, John "The Liar" Williams is not very good with
>>> "specific examples" of his rash statements.
>>>
>>> That sums up just what sort of a lawyer the lying bastard is!
>>
>>Typical of all lawyers, no?
>>Isn't it pronounced, in some parts, "liar", anyway? As in, I want my
>>liar?
>>But it does explain a lot--dint know jmw was a pod person.
>>
>>In addition to being the party nominee for the Independent Party of the
>>Proctologically Violated®© (M)asses (which, for the unawares, is every
>>working man, woman, child in the USofA), I am one of the founders of the
>>International Consortium for the Neutering of All Lawyers, and president
>>of
>>the American chapter, Americans for Neutering All Lawyers, better by its
>>acridnym, ANAL.
>>We recongize the need for lawyers--butt another necessary evil on this
>>planet-- but we also see the need to limit their procreation.
>>The real question is, tho, to accomplish sed neutering w/ or without
>>anaesthesia?
>>Without would save the state a lot of money.
>>
>>jmw is a perfect example. Do you really want a case like this
>>procreating?
>>I think not.
>
> John "Liar" Williams is impotent and childless, as a search through
> the Google archives will bear witness!

Still, accidents do happen.
Fer example, if you are economizing on hot water, and yer sister jumps in
the bathwater after you (meaning jmw) just finished beating his meat in said
bathwater, pregnancy can occur.

Happens more in England than here in the states, but it does happen.
Oh, and in Kentucky, altho such pregnancies don't have much to do w/
bathwater, but rather, keeping warm at night. Hey, shit happens....
Anyway, neutering is still highly recommended.
And if the ICNAL/ANAL has anything to do with it, it will become mandatory.
--
------
Mr. P.V.'d (formerly Droll Troll), Yonkers, NY

Stop Corruption in Congress & Send the Ultimate Message:
Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.
Ending Corruption in Congress is the *Single Best Way*
to Materially Improve Your Family's Life.
The Solution is so simple--and inexpensive!

entropic3.14decay at optonline2.718 dot net; remove pi and e to reply--ie,
all d'numbuhs


>
> HTH!

"Proctologically Violated©®" <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net>
wrote:
>
>Typical of all lawyers, no?
>Isn't it pronounced, in some parts, "liar", anyway? As in, I want my liar?
>But it does explain a lot--dint know jmw was a pod person.

I didn't know that people with masters degrees in physics went to work
as registered dieticians.

Do you measure the Jello temperatures in Kelvin?

Proctologically Violated©® wrote:
> "Charles" <jrh@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:bu84l2tvn9egm28kl5ds5kg6uggoc4gpih@4ax.com...
>> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 13:25:31 -0500, "Proctologically Violated©®"
>> <entropic3.14decay@optonline2.718.net> wrote:
>>
>>> "Charles" <jrh@msn.com> wrote in message
>>> news:6e53l29npnscp10884ch7hc2le81a0o8i7@4ax.com...
>>>> On Wed, 8 Nov 2006 08:25:53 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>>>> <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Dnia 2006-11-08 JMW napisa³(a):
>>>>>> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dnia 2006-11-08 JMW napisa³(a):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How can you expect that we will find a solution for you? You
>>>>>>>>> say that
>>>>>>>>> you don't like anything physical and ask us to invent
>>>>>>>>> something which
>>>>>>>>> you would like regardless. You do not seem to seek a
>>>>>>>>> solution. You seem to seek an excuse.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Fine by me. Walk on your hands for speed or distance. I
>>>>>>>>> hope I was unrealistic enough to provide you with much needed
>>>>>>>>> excuses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're starting to develop that MFW spirit, Andrzej.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Curt will be so disappointed!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I believe that this guy needed something on the lines I wrote. His
>>>>>>> main problem is, that he wants to be able to say to himself
>>>>>>> that he "tried", but was "overcome by obstacles" just to avoid
>>>>>>> the feeling of guilt.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, yes. I think that the best thing in this case is to
>>>>>>> destroy this strategy. He might find then some sort of goals,
>>>>>>> and we might be able to help him in achieving them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, Andrzej, that was a well rationalized self-justification. With a
>>>>>> little extra courage, you may learn to accept it for what
>>>>>> it is. It's called the BUTCH THE FUCK UP approach.
>>>>>
>>>>> Right. That would sum it up fine.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You see, it been recognized
>>>>>> for over a decade in this newsgroup that those who allow
>>>>>> themselves to whine and avoid effort will never be effective at
>>>>>> strength training. I realize, of course, that such concepts are
>>>>>> anathema to the friendly butt-kissers and hand-holders who see
>>>>>> themselves as The New World Order of this newsgroup, but that's
>>>>>> just the way it is. HTH
>>>>>
>>>>> I think there is truth to what you say, and there is truth to
>>>>> what they say. Discussing this topics without specific examples
>>>>> makes not much sense.
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, John "The Liar" Williams is not very good with
>>>> "specific examples" of his rash statements.
>>>>
>>>> That sums up just what sort of a lawyer the lying bastard is!
>>>
>>> Typical of all lawyers, no?
>>> Isn't it pronounced, in some parts, "liar", anyway? As in, I want
>>> my liar?
>>> But it does explain a lot--dint know jmw was a pod person.
>>>
>>> In addition to being the party nominee for the Independent Party of
>>> the Proctologically Violated®© (M)asses (which, for the unawares,
>>> is every working man, woman, child in the USofA), I am one of the
>>> founders of the International Consortium for the Neutering of All
>>> Lawyers, and president of
>>> the American chapter, Americans for Neutering All Lawyers, better
>>> by its acridnym, ANAL.
>>> We recongize the need for lawyers--butt another necessary evil on
>>> this planet-- but we also see the need to limit their procreation.
>>> The real question is, tho, to accomplish sed neutering w/ or without
>>> anaesthesia?
>>> Without would save the state a lot of money.
>>>
>>> jmw is a perfect example. Do you really want a case like this
>>> procreating?
>>> I think not.
>>
>> John "Liar" Williams is impotent and childless, as a search through
>> the Google archives will bear witness!
>
> Still, accidents do happen.
> Fer example, if you are economizing on hot water, and yer sister
> jumps in the bathwater after you (meaning jmw) just finished beating
> his meat in said bathwater, pregnancy can occur.
>
> Happens more in England than here in the states, but it does happen.
> Oh, and in Kentucky, altho such pregnancies don't have much to do w/
> bathwater, but rather, keeping warm at night. Hey, shit happens....
> Anyway, neutering is still highly recommended.
> And if the ICNAL/ANAL has anything to do with it, it will become
> mandatory.
>>
>> HTH!

You said anal!!! Watch out for Charles jumping on this thread like a
sodomizer on a ...<censored>

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