Exercise and eating

First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
little heavy. Must be age but then I am sitting a lot. Here are some
qs:


Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
purpose of trying to lose weight?

Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?
Then, how can they say "control your calories intake". What does one
do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
eat ..

And

Three versus five/six meals plans: there was a debate between a
doctor who advocates 5/6 meals and someone who advocate 3 meals in
trying to lose weight. Who is right? I think it would depend on the
blood suger level of a person.

Oh, btw, is it true that green tea regulates blood suger level better?

"amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
> little heavy.

State your height and weight and post a link to your photo.

Must be age but then I am sitting a lot. Here are some
> qs:
>
>
> Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
> purpose of trying to lose weight?

Apparently you've never exercised before. Don't bother posting that pic.
Exercise obviously burns calories but that doesn't mean you have to give in
to your hunger, esp if you're overweight and have lotsa fat to burn. Also,
exercising can curb your hunger for awhile. When I've been in a weight
losing mode (now) I sometimes time my workouts about an hour before I would
normally eat. After I exercise, I'm not very hungry for awhile so the result
is I've burned a bunch of calories and I've put off eating for a couple
hours.

>
> Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
> stomach

Mebbe, but hunger can be a result of stress and many other tings.

>or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?

You're a troll, aren't you?

> Then, how can they say "control your calories intake". What does one
> do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
> eat ..

You prolly need to work on your willpower and self discipline.

amanda wrote:
> First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
> little heavy. Must be age but then I am sitting a lot.

Maybe you're "skinny-fat"--not overweight but
with a higher bodyfat percentage and/or not
very physically fit.

> Here are some
> qs:
>
>
> Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
> purpose of trying to lose weight?

Exercise making one want to eat more is not true
in all cases. Further, even if it was true across
the board, losing weight requires a plan and some
determination.

> Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
> stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?

What makes you think that hunger causes an increase
in stomach acid quantity and/or stomach lining
deterioration? There are people who only eat once
or twice a day and they don't have ulcers because
of it.

> Then, how can they say "control your calories intake". What does one
> do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
> eat ..

You're building on an assumption that isn't necessarily
true. Further, it's not hard to arrange your eating
plan to accommodate exercise. Also, with many people,
when carbohydrate is limited far enough hunger disappears.
That's the "magic" in diets like Atkins and Protein Power.

> And
>
> Three versus five/six meals plans: there was a debate between a
> doctor who advocates 5/6 meals and someone who advocate 3 meals in
> trying to lose weight. Who is right?

Both/neither. It's about what works for you.

> I think it would depend on the
> blood suger level of a person.

You may be on to something there.
Personally, I feel that diets that limit carbohydrate
and therefore blood sugar are better suited to lower
meal counts. You might want to review that debate
and see if that wasn't the case (the 5/6 meal/day plan
was higher carb and the 3 meal/day plan was lower carb).

> Oh, btw, is it true that green tea regulates blood suger level better?

Better than what? The same diet without green tea?
I don't know but I doubt it. In general, better
blood sugar regulation comes with carbohydrate
control and/or higher meal counts.

amanda <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
> purpose of trying to lose weight?

Yeah, don't bother.

amanda wrote:
> First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
> little heavy. Must be age but then I am sitting a lot. Here are some
> qs:
>
>
> Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
> purpose of trying to lose weight?
>

No. Just don't eat more. Simple.

> Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
> stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?

No. Where did you get that bullshit from? It's not even an indication
that you need food: some people feel hungry when they're stressed - they
don't need extra food though!

> Then, how can they say "control your calories intake".

Easy: control your caloric intake.

> What does one
> do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
> eat ..

Don't eat, or drink some water or diet soft drink. People often feel
very hungry when they're a bit dehydrated. As long as you're eating
enough to keep you going healthily then there's no need to rush for food
every time you *think* you might be hungry.

>
> And
>
> Three versus five/six meals plans: there was a debate between a
> doctor who advocates 5/6 meals and someone who advocate 3 meals in
> trying to lose weight. Who is right?

Both. Pick whichever one works for your personal schedule and stick to it.

> I think it would depend on the
> blood suger level of a person.

A person who does not have issues with blood sugar, such as hypoglycemia
or diabetes, should have no serious blood sugar issues eating three good
balanced meals a day.

>
> Oh, btw, is it true that green tea regulates blood suger level better?

Better than what, your own neuroendocrine system? Lets do an experiment:
scoop out the nervoendocrine system of an animal and replace it with
green tea, then monitor blood sugar.

Cheers,

Ari



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On Jul 9, 9:22 pm, Bill Eitner <kd6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> amanda wrote:
> > First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
> > little heavy. Must be age but then I am sitting a lot.
>
> Maybe you're "skinny-fat"--not overweight but
> with a higher bodyfat percentage
Alittle more body fat than perfect, I am sure.

> and/or not very physically fit.

Define what is physically fit. My doctor thinks I am fit.

>
> > Here are some
> > qs:
>
> > Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
> > purpose of trying to lose weight?
>
> Exercise making one want to eat more is not true
> in all cases. Further, even if it was true across
> the board, losing weight requires a plan and some
> determination.
>
> > Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
> > stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?
>
> What makes you think that hunger causes an increase
> in stomach acid quantity and/or stomach lining
> deterioration? There are people who only eat once
> or twice a day and they don't have ulcers because
> of it.

Not everybody can live with 2 meals per day. I have tried it many
times ..to save time.

>
> > Then, how can they say "control your calories intake". What does one
> > do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
> > eat ..
>
> You're building on an assumption that isn't necessarily
> true. Further, it's not hard to arrange your eating
> plan to accommodate exercise. Also, with many people,
> when carbohydrate is limited far enough hunger disappears.
> That's the "magic" in diets like Atkins and Protein Power.
I agree with lLimiting carb.

>
> > And
>
> > Three versus five/six meals plans: there was a debate between a
> > doctor who advocates 5/6 meals and someone who advocate 3 meals in
> > trying to lose weight. Who is right?
>
> Both/neither. It's about what works for you.
>
> > I think it would depend on the
> > blood suger level of a person.
>
> You may be on to something there.
> Personally, I feel that diets that limit carbohydrate
> and therefore blood sugar are better suited to lower
> meal counts. You might want to review that debate
> and see if that wasn't the case (the 5/6 meal/day plan
> was higher carb and the 3 meal/day plan was lower carb).

Won't higher carb in 5/6 meals cause gainign weight?
>
> > Oh, btw, is it true that green tea regulates blood suger level better?
>
> Better than what? The same diet without green tea?
> I don't know but I doubt it. In general, better
> blood sugar regulation comes with carbohydrate
> control and/or higher meal counts.

I saw some info about Green tea raiaing metabolic rate slighlty ...
Never hear of it before.

On Jul 9, 10:01 pm, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
> amanda wrote:
> > First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
> > little heavy. Must be age but then I am sitting a lot. Here are some
> > qs:
>
> > Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
> > purpose of trying to lose weight?
>
> No. Just don't eat more. Simple.
>
> > Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
> > stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?
>
> No. Where did you get that bullshit from? It's not even an indication
> that you need food: some people feel hungry when they're stressed -

I am talkigngabout normal situation. In the stressed situation, the
hunger must be quenched. There was a time when I was so stressed (in
grad school) that I are lots of beef in my diet.

> they don't need extra food though!
I think they do.
>
> > Then, how can they say "control your calories intake".
>
> Easy: control your caloric intake.
>
> > What does one
> > do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
> > eat ..
>
> Don't eat, or drink some water or diet soft drink.

How about juice?

> People often feel
> very hungry when they're a bit dehydrated.

> As long as you're eating enough to keep you going healthily then there's no need to rush for food
> every time you *think* you might be hungry.

Ok. I was concern that if you feel a bit hungry and don't eat, your
metabolic rate would drop...


>
> > And
>
> > Three versus five/six meals plans: there was a debate between a
> > doctor who advocates 5/6 meals and someone who advocate 3 meals in
> > trying to lose weight. Who is right?
>
> Both. Pick whichever one works for your personal schedule and stick to it.

Tried 5/6 but tim-consuming. So now 3 meals with 2 snacks (fruits)
>
> > I think it would depend on the
> > blood suger level of a person.
>
> A person who does not have issues with blood sugar, such as hypoglycemia
> or diabetes, should have no serious blood sugar issues eating three good
> balanced meals a day.

I get blood sugar issue sometimes if I am not careful from where I am
getting my carb.

>
>
>
> > Oh, btw, is it true that green tea regulates blood suger level better?
>
> Better than what, your own neuroendocrine system? Lets do an experiment:
> scoop out the nervoendocrine system of an animal and replace it with
> green tea, then monitor blood sugar.

Didn't mean to that extent.
>
> Cheers,
Cheers to you too.
>
> Ari
>
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"amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> schreef:

>> and/or not very physically fit.

> Define what is physically fit. My doctor thinks I am fit.

And what criteria did he use to establish that fact? Blood pressure &
cholesterol is low. Bodyfat low?

Maybe you should post your doctors defenition of what "fit" means. He seems
to know it.

--
Pete

"amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> schreef:

> First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
> little heavy.

Where?

> Must be age but then I am sitting a lot.

Sit less. Walk more.

> Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
> purpose of trying to lose weight?

Running and cycling supresses appetite in some people.

> Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
> stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?

Hunger is inside the brain. And it can easily be manipulated.

> Then, how can they say "control your calories intake". What does one
> do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
> eat ..

If you have to eat, eat something that occupies a lot of space but doesnr
have much calories.

--
Pete

amanda wrote:
> On Jul 9, 10:01 pm, spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com> wrote:
>> amanda wrote:
>>> First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
>>> little heavy. Must be age but then I am sitting a lot. Here are some
>>> qs:
>>> Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
>>> purpose of trying to lose weight?
>> No. Just don't eat more. Simple.
>>
>>> Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
>>> stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?
>> No. Where did you get that bullshit from? It's not even an indication
>> that you need food: some people feel hungry when they're stressed -
>
> I am talkigngabout normal situation. In the stressed situation, the
> hunger must be quenched.

Nope. That's called 'comfort eating' and it often results in fat gain.

If you're under extra *physical* stress, such as heavy/intense training
or a physically demanding job, then yeah, you'll need to eat more to
maintain weight. If you want to lose weight, which is the only way to
define your abdominal muscles, then the added exercise will help with
that as long as you don't start eating extra as well.

> There was a time when I was so stressed (in
> grad school) that I are lots of beef in my diet.
>
>> they don't need extra food though!
> I think they do.

You'd be wrong. If you eat more than you need, it accumulates as fat.

>>> Then, how can they say "control your calories intake".
>> Easy: control your caloric intake.
>>
>>> What does one
>>> do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
>>> eat ..
>> Don't eat, or drink some water or diet soft drink.
>
> How about juice?

Mix it with something else, juice in itself is pretty calorie dense
(often due to having added sugar).

>
>> People often feel
>> very hungry when they're a bit dehydrated.
>
>> As long as you're eating enough to keep you going healthily then there's no need to rush for food
>> every time you *think* you might be hungry.
>
> Ok. I was concern that if you feel a bit hungry and don't eat, your
> metabolic rate would drop...

Not at all! If you eat far too little over a period of weeks then yeah,
but not if you feel like snacking every so often and just don't snack.

>
>
>>> And
>>> Three versus five/six meals plans: there was a debate between a
>>> doctor who advocates 5/6 meals and someone who advocate 3 meals in
>>> trying to lose weight. Who is right?
>> Both. Pick whichever one works for your personal schedule and stick to it.
>
> Tried 5/6 but tim-consuming. So now 3 meals with 2 snacks (fruits)
>>> I think it would depend on the
>>> blood suger level of a person.
>> A person who does not have issues with blood sugar, such as hypoglycemia
>> or diabetes, should have no serious blood sugar issues eating three good
>> balanced meals a day.
>
> I get blood sugar issue sometimes if I am not careful from where I am
> getting my carb.

Who diagnosed this?

>>> Oh, btw, is it true that green tea regulates blood suger level better?
>> Better than what, your own neuroendocrine system? Lets do an experiment:
>> scoop out the nervoendocrine system of an animal and replace it with
>> green tea, then monitor blood sugar.
>
> Didn't mean to that extent.

I know If you like green tea, by all means, drink it!

>> Cheers,
> Cheers to you too.
>> Ari



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In article <1184036879.760408.307370@d30g2000prg.googlegroups .com>,
amanda <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote:

> First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
> little heavy. Must be age but then I am sitting a lot. Here are some
> qs:
>
>
> Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
> purpose of trying to lose weight?

Exercise doesn't make me want to eat more. Complex carbs tend to spike
my appetite.
>
> Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
> stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?
> Then, how can they say "control your calories intake". What does one
> do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
> eat ..

Where do you get your facts from? The stomach and other digestive organs
are constantly producing cells which are sloughed off by acids. It's
part of the system. People who fast are not more prone to stomach ulcers.
>
> And
>
> Three versus five/six meals plans: there was a debate between a
> doctor who advocates 5/6 meals and someone who advocate 3 meals in
> trying to lose weight. Who is right? I think it would depend on the
> blood suger level of a person.
>
> Oh, btw, is it true that green tea regulates blood suger level better?
>

Neither is right. Calories in versus calories expended is the formula.

--
Keith

"amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1184036879.760408.307370@d30g2000prg.googlegr oups.com...
> First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
> little heavy. Must be age but then I am sitting a lot. Here are some
> qs:
>
>
> Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
> purpose of trying to lose weight?
>
> Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
> stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?
> Then, how can they say "control your calories intake". What does one
> do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
> eat ..
>
> And
>
> Three versus five/six meals plans: there was a debate between a
> doctor who advocates 5/6 meals and someone who advocate 3 meals in
> trying to lose weight. Who is right? I think it would depend on the
> blood suger level of a person.
>
> Oh, btw, is it true that green tea regulates blood suger level better?

You seem to have some information but perhaps incomplete information
about diet and exercise.

Exercise doesn't make you hungrier, although it may make you think
you're somehow "entitled" to eat more. Obviously you need to eat more
if you suddenly start expending more calories, but the overall effect is
usually for the better for most people.

If you're hungry, it's an indication you think you need food, but that's
different than actually needing food. Our bodies are complex,
habit-driven things, and you can train yourself (intelligently,
gradually), to eat only one meal per day or even to eat only every other
day if you wish, and even if you exercise regularly. Using myself as an
example, I was very dependent on regular feeding and would get irritable
if I missed a meal, but I learned to function without those regular
feedings and am much happier and also much healthier as a result.

Green tea is good. Drinking it is good, and taking some green tea
extract regularly may help.

My wife and I both following the advice given in the Warrior Diet and
the Anti-Estrogenic Diet books - undereat during the day to allow the
body to naturally detoxify, replenishing/recovering with small meals
post-exercise if you exercise during the day, then have a hearty,
healthy, as natural as possible, and big meal at the end of the day. A
link to the AED book is below:

http://tinyurl.com/2vokcy

Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

On Jul 9, 11:07 pm, amanda <amanda772...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
> little heavy. Must be age but then I am sitting a lot. Here are some
> qs:
>
> Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
> purpose of trying to lose weight?

Actually, exercise has been documented to suppress appetite. Also,
thirst, and many other physical conditions.

I know from personal experience that I feel most like eating or
munching/noshing when I'm just sitting around reading a book or
something like that.

> Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
> stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?

I've heard that, but apparently there's some debate over just what
causes hunger pangs....

> Then, how can they say "control your calories intake". What does one
> do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
> eat ..

People with a genetic predisposition towards being fat (endomorphs or
something) will want to eat more -- their body sends such signals more
readily than that of an ectomorph, a naturally skinny person...so
you're right in that sense...but if it's that important to you (to be
a certain weight or look a certain way) then you have to develop a way
of ignoring your appetite...put it this way: Buddhist monks in Vietnam
protesting their government immolated themselves quite calmly. Now
how's that possible?? The natural reaction of the body to searing
flames is to flinch, and flinch wildly. Yet these fellas just sat
there, meditating, and burned away in perfect peace.

> And
>
> Three versus five/six meals plans: there was a debate between a
> doctor who advocates 5/6 meals and someone who advocate 3 meals in
> trying to lose weight. Who is right? I think it would depend on the
> blood suger level of a person.

I think blood sugar has some role in appetite, but the point of
multiple meals is to divide nutrient intake more efficiently....

> Oh, btw, is it true that green tea regulates blood suger level better?

May be an appetite suppressant, and in that way, I guess...frankly,
lots of claims are made for this, that, and the other -- who really
knows...it's supposed to be calming, too....

amanda wrote:
> On Jul 9, 9:22 pm, Bill Eitner <kd6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> amanda wrote:
>>> First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
>>> little heavy. Must be age but then I am sitting a lot.
>> Maybe you're "skinny-fat"--not overweight but
>> with a higher bodyfat percentage
> Alittle more body fat than perfect, I am sure.
>
>> and/or not very physically fit.
>
> Define what is physically fit. My doctor thinks I am fit.

Health (absence of disease) and fitness (ability to
perform at or above a defined level) are two different
things. Doctors are concerned with health and aren't
really set up to measure physical fitness. To define
what physically fit is requires that personal performance
achievement levels are defined and met in a number of areas.
That's a job for a trainer or you can do it yourself after
some research. Here's a place to start:
http://www.fitness.gov/fitness.htm

>>> Here are some
>>> qs:
>>> Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
>>> purpose of trying to lose weight?
>> Exercise making one want to eat more is not true
>> in all cases. Further, even if it was true across
>> the board, losing weight requires a plan and some
>> determination.
>>
>>> Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
>>> stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?
>> What makes you think that hunger causes an increase
>> in stomach acid quantity and/or stomach lining
>> deterioration? There are people who only eat once
>> or twice a day and they don't have ulcers because
>> of it.
>
> Not everybody can live with 2 meals per day. I have tried it many
> times ..to save time.

The question here is whether or not eating twice a day
causes ulcers. Did you get an ulcer from eating twice
a day? I've done the two meal a day thing for an
extended period with no stomach issues. And what do
you mean by "can't live with 2 meals per day?" What
exactly is it that happens? If it's hunger and/or
feelings of weakness or a lack of energy, you could
try rebalancing the meals to place less emphasis on
carbohydrate. On the other hand, I don't see where
it's necessary to purposely limit oneself to 2 meals
per day. Once a large meal is prepared it doesn't take
much extra effort to divide it up and eat it as 2 or 3
smaller meals with 2.5 to 4 hour spacing.

>>> Then, how can they say "control your calories intake". What does one
>>> do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
>>> eat ..
>> You're building on an assumption that isn't necessarily
>> true. Further, it's not hard to arrange your eating
>> plan to accommodate exercise. Also, with many people,
>> when carbohydrate is limited far enough hunger disappears.
>> That's the "magic" in diets like Atkins and Protein Power.
> I agree with lLimiting carb.
>
>>> And
>>> Three versus five/six meals plans: there was a debate between a
>>> doctor who advocates 5/6 meals and someone who advocate 3 meals in
>>> trying to lose weight. Who is right?
>> Both/neither. It's about what works for you.
>>
>>> I think it would depend on the
>>> blood suger level of a person.
>> You may be on to something there.
>> Personally, I feel that diets that limit carbohydrate
>> and therefore blood sugar are better suited to lower
>> meal counts. You might want to review that debate
>> and see if that wasn't the case (the 5/6 meal/day plan
>> was higher carb and the 3 meal/day plan was lower carb).
>
> Won't higher carb in 5/6 meals cause gainign weight?

No. Thermodynamics won't be denied. By that I mean
calorie balance will always be a factor regardless of
macronutrient ratio (the percentages of carbohydrate,
protein and fat).

I recently switched from low carb and two meals a day
to moderately high carb and 6 meals a day. The low
carb low meal count diet worked for a long time but
it finally stalled out. I had to keep lowering the
daily calorie allotment and increasing the aerobic
exercise volume to keep it going. Finally it got to
the point where I wasn't losing any more fat and was
not making any gains in the gym (no increases in lean
mass or strength). With the new diet I'm progressing
again (body composition is improving and I'm gaining
strength). The old diet was 1300-1800 calories/day
and it stalled out. The new diet is 1800-2400 calories
per day with less aerobic work and I'm progressing.
Of course that's just me at this point in time. To say
that it works the same for anyone at any point would be
wrong.

>>> Oh, btw, is it true that green tea regulates blood suger level better?
>> Better than what? The same diet without green tea?
>> I don't know but I doubt it. In general, better
>> blood sugar regulation comes with carbohydrate
>> control and/or higher meal counts.
>
> I saw some info about Green tea raiaing metabolic rate slighlty ...
> Never hear of it before.

I'm a tea drinker and used to drink green tea.
I drink black tea now because I prefer the stronger flavor
and cheaper price. As far as I'm concerned, one is as
good as the other. Here's a link to an article about it:
http://chinesefood.about.com/library.../aa021103a.htm

On Jul 10, 1:48 am, "Pete" <phouts...@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
> "amanda" <amanda772...@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
> > First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
> > little heavy.
>
> Where?

What do you mean? I mean..to carry myself. And not all the the time.
Just not light like when I was in my 20s.

>
> > Must be age but then I am sitting a lot.
>
> Sit less. Walk more.
Hard to unless I chnage the line of work.
>
> > Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
> > purpose of trying to lose weight?
>
> Running and cycling supresses appetite in some people.
>
> > Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
> > stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?
>
> Hunger is inside the brain. And it can easily be manipulated.
>
> > Then, how can they say "control your calories intake". What does one
> > do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
> > eat ..
>
> If you have to eat, eat something that occupies a lot of space but doesnr
> have much calories.
Like?
I hate eating to beging with. If I eat things that just makes me eat
again, it's time-consuming. So eat meat especially beef and be happy.
I ate beef salad and basil chicken (with some veges) for lunch today
at a thai restauranrt. I brought the left over and finished it 2 1/2
or 3 hours later. I am not hungry for dinner. I think I'll eat
cherries May be pineapple too. Wish there is a machine to peel that
pineappel.



>
> --
> Pete

>
> > I get blood sugar issue sometimes if I am not careful from where I am
> > getting my carb.
>
> Who diagnosed this?

Me.


>
> >>> Oh, btw, is it true that green tea regulates blood suger level better?
> >> Better than what, your own neuroendocrine system? Lets do an experiment:
> >> scoop out the nervoendocrine system of an animal and replace it with
> >> green tea, then monitor blood sugar.
>
> > Didn't mean to that extent.
>
> I know If you like green tea, by all means, drink it!

Actully, I can't take caffiene amd had tp quit takign blank tea (whcih
we used to take back home) but today, I saw decaf version of Green tea
and so bought some.

On Jul 10, 7:13 am, "Steve Freides" <s...@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> "amanda" <amanda772...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1184036879.760408.307370@d30g2000prg.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
> > little heavy. Must be age but then I am sitting a lot. Here are some
> > qs:
>
> > Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
> > purpose of trying to lose weight?
>
> > Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
> > stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?
> > Then, how can they say "control your calories intake". What does one
> > do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
> > eat ..
>
> > And
>
> > Three versus five/six meals plans: there was a debate between a
> > doctor who advocates 5/6 meals and someone who advocate 3 meals in
> > trying to lose weight. Who is right? I think it would depend on the
> > blood suger level of a person.
>
> > Oh, btw, is it true that green tea regulates blood suger level better?
>
> You seem to have some information but perhaps incomplete information
> about diet and exercise.
>
> Exercise doesn't make you hungrier, although it may make you think
> you're somehow "entitled" to eat more. Obviously you need to eat more
> if you suddenly start expending more calories, but the overall effect is
> usually for the better for most people.
>
> If you're hungry, it's an indication you think you need food, but that's
> different than actually needing food. Our bodies are complex,
> habit-driven things, and you can train yourself (intelligently,
> gradually), to eat only one meal per day or even to eat only every other
> day if you wish, and even if you exercise regularly. Using myself as an
> example, I was very dependent on regular feeding and would get irritable
> if I missed a meal, but I learned to function without those regular
> feedings and am much happier and also much healthier as a result.

Hmm...

About 2 1/2 weeks ago, I was with my bf where I ate only 1 meal and
then 1/3 of a salad ( some beef in it) in 20 hours. By by 24 hours, I
had a breakfast meal. I was surprised that I lasted that long. Lasted
probably because the schedule was all messed up - finished dinner at
10:30 PM partly because of lone waiting at the restaurant, talked till
5 am, fell asleep at 5 am, waking up at 1 PM but didn't get up till
like around 4PM and then didn't eat till 5:30PM. (We did pick at some
left over; very little though). He doesn't eat much carb and my
craving for eggs was gone too and so I orderd the salad with beef but
picked at only meat and some walnuts and strawberries. In fact, ate
very little lettuce. Of course, I ended up eating a breakfast meal at
10PM on my way home. Aside from some fruits he ate (I didn't except
very little afterward) , I don't know whether he ate any more that
day or not. Unless I am trained for it, I don't think it is a good
for me to eat like that.




>
> Green tea is good. Drinking it is good, and taking some green tea
> extract regularly may help.

I like the taste.


>
> My wife and I both following the advice given in the Warrior Diet and
> the Anti-Estrogenic Diet books - undereat during the day to allow the
> body to naturally detoxify, replenishing/recovering with small meals
> post-exercise if you exercise during the day, then have a hearty,
> healthy, as natural as possible, and big meal at the end of the day. A
> link to the AED book is below:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2vokcy

I'll check it out.

>
> Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.
>
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On Jul 10, 8:20 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jul 9, 11:07 pm, amanda <amanda772...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
> > little heavy. Must be age but then I am sitting a lot. Here are some
> > qs:
>
> > Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
> > purpose of trying to lose weight?
>
> Actually, exercise has been documented to suppress appetite. Also,
> thirst, and many other physical conditions.
>
> I know from personal experience that I feel most like eating or
> munching/noshing when I'm just sitting around reading a book or
> something like that.
>
> > Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
> > stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?
>
> I've heard that, but apparently there's some debate over just what
> causes hunger pangs....
>
> > Then, how can they say "control your calories intake". What does one
> > do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
> > eat ..
>
> People with a genetic predisposition towards being fat (endomorphs or
> something) will want to eat more -- their body sends such signals more
> readily than that of an ectomorph, a naturally skinny person...so
> you're right in that sense...but if it's that important to you (to be
> a certain weight or look a certain way) then you have to develop a way
> of ignoring your appetite...

Actually, most of the time, I don't feel hungry. But if I don't eat at
the right time, my blood suger gets messed up. But the other day,even
though I felt full, I felt like eating - not like craving but like my
body was asking - and so I was wondering it's because I did a lot of
exercise that day.



> put it this way: Buddhist monks in Vietnam
> protesting their government immolated themselves quite calmly. Now
> how's that possible?? The natural reaction of the body to searing
> flames is to flinch, and flinch wildly. Yet these fellas just sat
> there, meditating, and burned away in perfect peace.

I don't believe they are burning away in perefct peace. Just that
their diet isn't full of fat. BTW, don't assume that Buddhist monks
are saints. Western image of these monks are .. just images.


> > And
>
> > Three versus five/six meals plans: there was a debate between a
> > doctor who advocates 5/6 meals and someone who advocate 3 meals in
> > trying to lose weight. Who is right? I think it would depend on the
> > blood suger level of a person.
>
> I think blood sugar has some role in appetite, but the point of
> multiple meals is to divide nutrient intake more efficiently....
>
> > Oh, btw, is it true that green tea regulates blood suger level better?
>
> May be an appetite suppressant, and in that way, I guess...frankly,
> lots of claims are made for this, that, and the other -- who really
> knows...it's supposed to be calming, too....

The best green tea I had was at a chinese restaurant nearby. May be I
was in the mood for it that day.

On Jul 10, 11:37 am, Bill Eitner <kd6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> amanda wrote:
> > On Jul 9, 9:22 pm, Bill Eitner <kd6...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> amanda wrote:
> >>> First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
> >>> little heavy. Must be age but then I am sitting a lot.
> >> Maybe you're "skinny-fat"--not overweight but
> >> with a higher bodyfat percentage
> > Alittle more body fat than perfect, I am sure.
>
> >> and/or not very physically fit.
>
> > Define what is physically fit. My doctor thinks I am fit.
>
> Health (absence of disease) and fitness (ability to
> perform at or above a defined level) are two different
> things. Doctors are concerned with health and aren't
> really set up to measure physical fitness.

I know. I was waiting who will explian this difference

> To define
> what physically fit is requires that personal performance
> achievement levels are defined and met in a number of areas.
> That's a job for a trainer or you can do it yourself after
> some research. Here's a place to start:
> http://www.fitness.gov/fitness.htm

Thanks. I will terst myself.



>
>
>
>
>
> >>> Here are some
> >>> qs:
> >>> Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
> >>> purpose of trying to lose weight?
> >> Exercise making one want to eat more is not true
> >> in all cases. Further, even if it was true across
> >> the board, losing weight requires a plan and some
> >> determination.
>
> >>> Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
> >>> stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?
> >> What makes you think that hunger causes an increase
> >> in stomach acid quantity and/or stomach lining
> >> deterioration? There are people who only eat once
> >> or twice a day and they don't have ulcers because
> >> of it.
>
> > Not everybody can live with 2 meals per day. I have tried it many
> > times ..to save time.
>
> The question here is whether or not eating twice a day
> causes ulcers. Did you get an ulcer from eating twice
> a day? I've done the two meal a day thing for an
> extended period with no stomach issues. And what do
> you mean by "can't live with 2 meals per day?" What
> exactly is it that happens? If it's hunger and/or
> feelings of weakness or a lack of energy, you could
> try rebalancing the meals to place less emphasis on
> carbohydrate. On the other hand, I don't see where
> it's necessary to purposely limit oneself to 2 meals
> per day. Once a large meal is prepared it doesn't take
> much extra effort to divide it up and eat it as 2 or 3
> smaller meals with 2.5 to 4 hour spacing.
>
True

>
>
> >>> Then, how can they say "control your calories intake". What does one
> >>> do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
> >>> eat ..
> >> You're building on an assumption that isn't necessarily
> >> true. Further, it's not hard to arrange your eating
> >> plan to accommodate exercise. Also, with many people,
> >> when carbohydrate is limited far enough hunger disappears.
> >> That's the "magic" in diets like Atkins and Protein Power.
> > I agree with lLimiting carb.
>
> >>> And
> >>> Three versus five/six meals plans: there was a debate between a
> >>> doctor who advocates 5/6 meals and someone who advocate 3 meals in
> >>> trying to lose weight. Who is right?
> >> Both/neither. It's about what works for you.
>
> >>> I think it would depend on the
> >>> blood suger level of a person.
> >> You may be on to something there.
> >> Personally, I feel that diets that limit carbohydrate
> >> and therefore blood sugar are better suited to lower
> >> meal counts. You might want to review that debate
> >> and see if that wasn't the case (the 5/6 meal/day plan
> >> was higher carb and the 3 meal/day plan was lower carb).
>
> > Won't higher carb in 5/6 meals cause gainign weight?
>
> No. Thermodynamics won't be denied. By that I mean
> calorie balance will always be a factor regardless of
> macronutrient ratio (the percentages of carbohydrate,
> protein and fat).
>
> I recently switched from low carb and two meals a day
> to moderately high carb and 6 meals a day. The low
> carb low meal count diet worked for a long time but
> it finally stalled out. I had to keep lowering the
> daily calorie allotment and increasing the aerobic
> exercise volume to keep it going. Finally it got to
> the point where I wasn't losing any more fat and was
> not making any gains in the gym (no increases in lean
> mass or strength). With the new diet I'm progressing
> again (body composition is improving and I'm gaining
> strength). The old diet was 1300-1800 calories/day
> and it stalled out. The new diet is 1800-2400 calories
> per day with less aerobic work and I'm progressing.
> Of course that's just me at this point in time. To say
> that it works the same for anyone at any point would be
> wrong.
>
> >>> Oh, btw, is it true that green tea regulates blood suger level better?
> >> Better than what? The same diet without green tea?
> >> I don't know but I doubt it. In general, better
> >> blood sugar regulation comes with carbohydrate
> >> control and/or higher meal counts.
>
> > I saw some info about Green tea raiaing metabolic rate slighlty ...
> > Never hear of it before.
>
> I'm a tea drinker and used to drink green tea.
> I drink black tea now because I prefer the stronger flavor
> and cheaper price.

> As far as I'm concerned, one is as
> good as the other.

Yes, I read that too. I grew up with black tea. Had to quit and so
didn't switch to decaf. Now I feel like drinking Green tea.



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"amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote

>> > I get blood sugar issue sometimes if I am not careful from where I am
>> > getting my carb.
>>
>> Who diagnosed this?
>
> Me.

What methodology did you employ in this diagnosis?

David

"amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> schreef:

>> If you have to eat, eat something that occupies a lot of space but doesnr
>> have much calories.

> Like?

Fiber and water.

--
Pete

"amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1184036879.760408.307370@d30g2000prg.googlegr oups.com...
> First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
> little heavy. Must be age but then I am sitting a lot. Here are some
> qs:
>
>
> Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat the
> purpose of trying to lose weight?


No

>
> Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in your
> stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?

No

> Then, how can they say "control your calories intake". What does one
> do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto to
> eat ..

You can eat foods that are not full of empty calories.


>
> And
>
> Three versus five/six meals plans: there was a debate between a
> doctor who advocates 5/6 meals and someone who advocate 3 meals in
> trying to lose weight. Who is right? I think it would depend on the
> blood suger level of a person.
>
> Oh, btw, is it true that green tea regulates blood suger level better?
>

Have you ever thought about taking a nap in the garage with the car
running??


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

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"amanda" <amanda772008@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Jul 10, 7:13 am, "Steve Freides" <s...@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>> "amanda" <amanda772...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1184036879.760408.307370@d30g2000prg.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > First off, I am not obese. Not overwieght either though I feel a
>> > little heavy. Must be age but then I am sitting a lot. Here are
>> > some
>> > qs:
>>
>> > Exercising makes one wants to eat more and so doesn't that deafeat
>> > the
>> > purpose of trying to lose weight?
>>
>> > Also, if one is hungry, it's an indication that one need foods in
>> > your
>> > stomach or else those acid would give you ulcer eventually, right?
>> > Then, how can they say "control your calories intake". What does
>> > one
>> > do when one's body is asking for food ..say via, making you wanto
>> > to
>> > eat ..
>>
>> > And
>>
>> > Three versus five/six meals plans: there was a debate between a
>> > doctor who advocates 5/6 meals and someone who advocate 3 meals in
>> > trying to lose weight. Who is right? I think it would depend on
>> > the
>> > blood suger level of a person.
>>
>> > Oh, btw, is it true that green tea regulates blood suger level
>> > better?
>>
>> You seem to have some information but perhaps incomplete information
>> about diet and exercise.
>>
>> Exercise doesn't make you hungrier, although it may make you think
>> you're somehow "entitled" to eat more. Obviously you need to eat
>> more
>> if you suddenly start expending more calories, but the overall effect
>> is
>> usually for the better for most people.
>>
>> If you're hungry, it's an indication you think you need food, but
>> that's
>> different than actually needing food. Our bodies are complex,
>> habit-driven things, and you can train yourself (intelligently,
>> gradually), to eat only one meal per day or even to eat only every
>> other
>> day if you wish, and even if you exercise regularly. Using myself as
>> an
>> example, I was very dependent on regular feeding and would get
>> irritable
>> if I missed a meal, but I learned to function without those regular
>> feedings and am much happier and also much healthier as a result.
>
> Hmm...
>
> About 2 1/2 weeks ago, I was with my bf where I ate only 1 meal and
> then 1/3 of a salad ( some beef in it) in 20 hours. By by 24 hours, I
> had a breakfast meal. I was surprised that I lasted that long. Lasted
> probably because the schedule was all messed up - finished dinner at
> 10:30 PM partly because of lone waiting at the restaurant, talked till
> 5 am, fell asleep at 5 am, waking up at 1 PM but didn't get up till
> like around 4PM and then didn't eat till 5:30PM. (We did pick at some
> left over; very little though). He doesn't eat much carb and my
> craving for eggs was gone too and so I orderd the salad with beef but
> picked at only meat and some walnuts and strawberries. In fact, ate
> very little lettuce. Of course, I ended up eating a breakfast meal at
> 10PM on my way home. Aside from some fruits he ate (I didn't except
> very little afterward) , I don't know whether he ate any more that
> day or not. Unless I am trained for it, I don't think it is a good
> for me to eat like that.

Your ancestors and mine "eat like that" - it didn't kill them; in fact,
many thrived. There can be too much of a good thing. Mind you, I am
not arguing against eating frequently if that fits your particular set
of exercise and body composition goals, but most basically sedentary
people would do best to eat very little during the day, and most
moderate exercisers would do well with small recovery meals following
exercise and otherwise still not eating much during the day. Many of
us are blessed with an abundance of food and an abundance of food
choices - pay attention to what you eat and when.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


>> Green tea is good. Drinking it is good, and taking some green tea
>> extract regularly may help.
>
> I like the taste.
>
>
>>
>> My wife and I both following the advice given in the Warrior Diet and
>> the Anti-Estrogenic Diet books - undereat during the day to allow the
>> body to naturally detoxify, replenishing/recovering with small meals
>> post-exercise if you exercise during the day, then have a hearty,
>> healthy, as natural as possible, and big meal at the end of the day.
>> A
>> link to the AED book is below:
>>
>> http://tinyurl.com/2vokcy
>
> I'll check it out.
>
>>
>> Just my opinion, your mileage may vary.
>>
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>>
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>
>

>
> > About 2 1/2 weeks ago, I was with my bf where I ate only 1 meal and
> > then 1/3 of a salad ( some beef in it) in 20 hours. By by 24 hours, I
> > had a breakfast meal. I was surprised that I lasted that long. Lasted
> > probably because the schedule was all messed up - finished dinner at
> > 10:30 PM partly because of lone waiting at the restaurant, talked till
> > 5 am, fell asleep at 5 am, waking up at 1 PM but didn't get up till
> > like around 4PM and then didn't eat till 5:30PM. (We did pick at some
> > left over; very little though). He doesn't eat much carb and my
> > craving for eggs was gone too and so I orderd the salad with beef but
> > picked at only meat and some walnuts and strawberries. In fact, ate
> > very little lettuce. Of course, I ended up eating a breakfast meal at
> > 10PM on my way home. Aside from some fruits he ate (I didn't except
> > very little afterward) , I don't know whether he ate any more that
> > day or not. Unless I am trained for it, I don't think it is a good
> > for me to eat like that.
>
> Your ancestors and mine "eat like that" - it didn't kill them; in fact,
> many thrived. There can be too much of a good thing. Mind you, I am
> not arguing against eating frequently if that fits your particular set
> of exercise and body composition goals, but most basically sedentary
> people would do best to eat very little during the day, and most
> moderate exercisers would do well with small recovery meals following
> exercise and otherwise still not eating much during the day. Many of
> us are blessed with an abundance of food

Many of us blessed with abundance of the wrong food

> and an abundance of food choices - pay attention to what you eat and when.

Before I came here the first time, I was in a forum where eating was
pushed or those doing weight training.

>
> -S-http://www.kbnj.com
>
>
>
> >> Green tea is good. Drinking it is good, and taking some green tea
> >> extract regularly may help.
>
> > I like the taste.
>
>