Fast-5

http://www.fast-5.com/

It's a short book, and it's a free download. Fast all day, and then eat
between 5 and 10 pm.

I tried this today. I was surprised how easy it was to get to 5 pm without
food. I even played a little basketball with my son and climbed the rope in
the gym. I googled some posts here by Steve on the similar concept behind
the Warrior Diet. It's an interesting break from the eat all the time, never
be hungry mentality. If I can substitute some workouts for mealtimes that
would also be a plus.

"ATP*" <I was surprised how easy it was to get to 5 pm without food. >

I have noticed that it is easier to stay most of the day without food than
doing that whole "every two hours, six times a day, healthy eating" routine.
I will check out the website!

On Dec 31, 10:22 pm, "Ted Sherman" <tedsherman103...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "ATP*" <I was surprised how easy it was to get to 5 pm without food. >
>
> I have noticed that it is easier to stay most of the day without food than
> doing that whole "every two hours, six times a day, healthy eating" routine.
> I will check out the website!


Indeed, "dieting" in that sense has never been a problem for me,
either.

But neither has it been difficult to eat frequently, since I enjoy
food as a hobby!

The NYT just had an article on this recently, in their Health and
Fitness section:

http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/1...e5e&ei=5087%0A

EXCERPTS

The scientific data on skipping meals has been confusing. In some
studies, fasting has resulted in measurable metabolic benefits for
obese people, and in animal studies, intermittent feeding and fasting
reduces the incidence of diabetes and improves certain indicators of
cardiovascular health. Even so, several observational studies and
short-term experiments have suggested an association between meal
skipping and poor health.

In recent months, two new studies may help explain how skipping meals
affects health.

....

The researchers found that skipping meals during the day and eating
one large meal in the evening resulted in potentially risky metabolic
changes. The meal skippers had elevated fasting glucose levels and a
delayed insulin response -- conditions that, if they persisted long
term, could lead to diabetes.

The study was notable because it followed another study earlier this
year that found that skipping meals every other day could actually
improve a patient's health.

....

The conclusion, say the authors of the more recent meal-skipping
study, is that skipping meals as part of a controlled eating plan that
results in lower calorie intake can result in better health. However,
skipping meals during the day and then overeating at the evening meal
results in harmful metabolic changes in the body.

<latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fadebc4a-2920-4b18-9d9c-e267edcda288@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
> On Dec 31, 10:22 pm, "Ted Sherman" <tedsherman103...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> "ATP*" <I was surprised how easy it was to get to 5 pm without food. >
>>
>> I have noticed that it is easier to stay most of the day without food
>> than
>> doing that whole "every two hours, six times a day, healthy eating"
>> routine.
>> I will check out the website!
>
>
> Indeed, "dieting" in that sense has never been a problem for me,
> either.
>
> But neither has it been difficult to eat frequently, since I enjoy
> food as a hobby!
>
> The NYT just had an article on this recently, in their Health and
> Fitness section:
>
> http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/1...e5e&ei=5087%0A
>
> EXCERPTS
>
> The scientific data on skipping meals has been confusing. In some
> studies, fasting has resulted in measurable metabolic benefits for
> obese people, and in animal studies, intermittent feeding and fasting
> reduces the incidence of diabetes and improves certain indicators of
> cardiovascular health. Even so, several observational studies and
> short-term experiments have suggested an association between meal
> skipping and poor health.
>
> In recent months, two new studies may help explain how skipping meals
> affects health.
>
> ...
>
> The researchers found that skipping meals during the day and eating
> one large meal in the evening resulted in potentially risky metabolic
> changes. The meal skippers had elevated fasting glucose levels and a
> delayed insulin response -- conditions that, if they persisted long
> term, could lead to diabetes.
>
> The study was notable because it followed another study earlier this
> year that found that skipping meals every other day could actually
> improve a patient's health.
>
> ...
>
> The conclusion, say the authors of the more recent meal-skipping
> study, is that skipping meals as part of a controlled eating plan that
> results in lower calorie intake can result in better health. However,
> skipping meals during the day and then overeating at the evening meal
> results in harmful metabolic changes in the body.

And that effect might be worsened if they eat a typical starch-laden
disaster of a meal.

"ATP*" <waxwingslain@azurepane.com> wrote in message
news:477a514e$0$13834$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>
> <latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:fadebc4a-2920-4b18-9d9c-e267edcda288@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>> On Dec 31, 10:22 pm, "Ted Sherman" <tedsherman103...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>> "ATP*" <I was surprised how easy it was to get to 5 pm without food.
>>> >
>>>
>>> I have noticed that it is easier to stay most of the day without
>>> food than
>>> doing that whole "every two hours, six times a day, healthy eating"
>>> routine.
>>> I will check out the website!
>>
>>
>> Indeed, "dieting" in that sense has never been a problem for me,
>> either.
>>
>> But neither has it been difficult to eat frequently, since I enjoy
>> food as a hobby!
>>
>> The NYT just had an article on this recently, in their Health and
>> Fitness section:
>>
>> http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/1...e5e&ei=5087%0A
>>
>> EXCERPTS
>>
>> The scientific data on skipping meals has been confusing. In some
>> studies, fasting has resulted in measurable metabolic benefits for
>> obese people, and in animal studies, intermittent feeding and fasting
>> reduces the incidence of diabetes and improves certain indicators of
>> cardiovascular health. Even so, several observational studies and
>> short-term experiments have suggested an association between meal
>> skipping and poor health.
>>
>> In recent months, two new studies may help explain how skipping meals
>> affects health.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> The researchers found that skipping meals during the day and eating
>> one large meal in the evening resulted in potentially risky metabolic
>> changes. The meal skippers had elevated fasting glucose levels and a
>> delayed insulin response -- conditions that, if they persisted long
>> term, could lead to diabetes.
>>
>> The study was notable because it followed another study earlier this
>> year that found that skipping meals every other day could actually
>> improve a patient's health.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> The conclusion, say the authors of the more recent meal-skipping
>> study, is that skipping meals as part of a controlled eating plan
>> that
>> results in lower calorie intake can result in better health. However,
>> skipping meals during the day and then overeating at the evening meal
>> results in harmful metabolic changes in the body.
>
> And that effect might be worsened if they eat a typical starch-laden
> disaster of a meal.

Note the mention of problems with "short-term experiments". I believe
that is key here.

I have stated many times on mfw, and will again, that changing one's
eating schedule and the resultant improvement in insulin response, body
composition, etc., is no different than changing one's lifting schedule
and the resultant increase in strength or muscle - it must be done
gradually, with a sense of pacing, with an awareness that both over- and
under-doing the rate of change will not yield good results. Why people
expect it to work any other way is, frankly, quite beyond me.

Fast-5 is an overly-simplistic approach, IMHO - it gets the basic
behavioral change more or less correct without really understanding
what's involved. The Warrior Diet book, and the Anti-Estrogenic Diet
book, a more recent offering from the same author, do a much better job
of explaining what's going on and why. It is my belief, therefore, that
more people will achieve long-term success by reading and following the
advice given in one of Ori's book than they will following the Fast-5.

The above is especially true for active people such as those who
frequent mfw - put another way, while it's perfectly possible for a
typical, sedentary desk jockey to follow the Fast-5 principles of not
eating for 18-20 hours, I don't do it that way nor do I recommend anyone
who is an avid exerciser try it that way.

Link to the AED diet book (disclaimer - this link uses my affiliate ID
with the publisher):

http://www.defensenutrition.com/affi...e.php?id=115_6

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in message
news:5tv9g8F1fnahaU1@mid.individual.net...
> "ATP*" <waxwingslain@azurepane.com> wrote in message
> news:477a514e$0$13834$607ed4bc@cv.net...
>>
>> <latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:fadebc4a-2920-4b18-9d9c-e267edcda288@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
>>> On Dec 31, 10:22 pm, "Ted Sherman" <tedsherman103...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> "ATP*" <I was surprised how easy it was to get to 5 pm without food. >
>>>>
>>>> I have noticed that it is easier to stay most of the day without food
>>>> than
>>>> doing that whole "every two hours, six times a day, healthy eating"
>>>> routine.
>>>> I will check out the website!
>>>
>>>
>>> Indeed, "dieting" in that sense has never been a problem for me,
>>> either.
>>>
>>> But neither has it been difficult to eat frequently, since I enjoy
>>> food as a hobby!
>>>
>>> The NYT just had an article on this recently, in their Health and
>>> Fitness section:
>>>
>>> http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/1...e5e&ei=5087%0A
>>>
>>> EXCERPTS
>>>
>>> The scientific data on skipping meals has been confusing. In some
>>> studies, fasting has resulted in measurable metabolic benefits for
>>> obese people, and in animal studies, intermittent feeding and fasting
>>> reduces the incidence of diabetes and improves certain indicators of
>>> cardiovascular health. Even so, several observational studies and
>>> short-term experiments have suggested an association between meal
>>> skipping and poor health.
>>>
>>> In recent months, two new studies may help explain how skipping meals
>>> affects health.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> The researchers found that skipping meals during the day and eating
>>> one large meal in the evening resulted in potentially risky metabolic
>>> changes. The meal skippers had elevated fasting glucose levels and a
>>> delayed insulin response -- conditions that, if they persisted long
>>> term, could lead to diabetes.
>>>
>>> The study was notable because it followed another study earlier this
>>> year that found that skipping meals every other day could actually
>>> improve a patient's health.
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>> The conclusion, say the authors of the more recent meal-skipping
>>> study, is that skipping meals as part of a controlled eating plan that
>>> results in lower calorie intake can result in better health. However,
>>> skipping meals during the day and then overeating at the evening meal
>>> results in harmful metabolic changes in the body.
>>
>> And that effect might be worsened if they eat a typical starch-laden
>> disaster of a meal.
>
> Note the mention of problems with "short-term experiments". I believe
> that is key here.
>
> I have stated many times on mfw, and will again, that changing one's
> eating schedule and the resultant improvement in insulin response, body
> composition, etc., is no different than changing one's lifting schedule
> and the resultant increase in strength or muscle - it must be done
> gradually, with a sense of pacing, with an awareness that both over- and
> under-doing the rate of change will not yield good results. Why people
> expect it to work any other way is, frankly, quite beyond me.
>
> Fast-5 is an overly-simplistic approach, IMHO - it gets the basic
> behavioral change more or less correct without really understanding what's
> involved. The Warrior Diet book, and the Anti-Estrogenic Diet book, a
> more recent offering from the same author, do a much better job of
> explaining what's going on and why. It is my belief, therefore, that more
> people will achieve long-term success by reading and following the advice
> given in one of Ori's book than they will following the Fast-5.
>
> The above is especially true for active people such as those who frequent
> mfw - put another way, while it's perfectly possible for a typical,
> sedentary desk jockey to follow the Fast-5 principles of not eating for
> 18-20 hours, I don't do it that way nor do I recommend anyone who is an
> avid exerciser try it that way.
>
Ori's book is coming tomorrow, I read as much as I could through Google
Books. I see a lot of the same concepts that Art Devany espouses, some of
which seem a little far-flung but nevertheless worth checking out.

Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>> <latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com> wrote
>>> http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/1...e5e&ei=5087%0A

It's got those geeky links to pubmed!
Reminds me of Curt - the pubmed guy.

....
>>> The researchers found that skipping meals during the day and eating
>>> one large meal in the evening resulted in potentially risky metabolic
>>> changes. The meal skippers had elevated fasting glucose levels and a
>>> delayed insulin response -- conditions that, if they persisted long
>>> term, could lead to diabetes.
....
>>>
>>> The study was notable because it followed another study earlier this
>>> year that found that skipping meals every other day could actually
>>> improve a patient's health.
...
>>>
>>> The conclusion, say the authors of the more recent meal-skipping
>>> study, is that skipping meals as part of a controlled eating plan
>>> that results in lower calorie intake can result in better
>>> health. However, skipping meals during the day and then overeating
>>> at the evening meal results in harmful metabolic changes in the
>>> body.
>
> Note the mention of problems with "short-term experiments". I believe
> that is key here.
>
> I have stated many times on mfw, and will again, that changing one's
> eating schedule and the resultant improvement in insulin response,
> body composition, etc., is no different than changing one's lifting
> schedule and the resultant increase in strength or muscle - it must
> be done gradually, with a sense of pacing, with an awareness that
> both over- and under-doing the rate of change will not yield good
> results. Why people expect it to work any other way is, frankly,
> quite beyond me.

The senior author of both studies practices the intermittent fasting
himself, by skipping (or drastically reducing calories - can't recall
which one) every other day. He published quite a lot on the benefits
of IF:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...attson%20mp%22[Author]%20AND%20%22intermittent%20fasting%22

The study was not so short, 11 weeks, but the subjects were asked to
stuff themselves in the evening (eat more than they would like in a
single meal).

They note that the glucose tolerance tests were performed in the
morning, so the meal-skippers ate much more in proximity to the test
compared to the controls.

> The Warrior Diet book, and the Anti-Estrogenic Diet book, a more
> recent offering from the same author, do a much better job of
> explaining what's going on and why.

I haven't read either and I'm not planning to :-)

BTW, does the same guy make the "Warrior protein bars" that you
mentioned previously? I believe that in my "meal skipping" there is no
place for protein bars or any other human cat-food: when it's finally
time to eat, it has to be a better food.

DZ wrote:
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...attson%20mp%22[Author]%20AND%20%22intermittent%20fasting%22

BTW this link is not properly clickable from google groups (google
truncates the search string at the "[" character) so it would have to
be marked and copied.

"DZ" <4960@1250915476.314017882.20719.29937.12993> wrote in message
news:31793@1164118368.2837729016.22971.26300.24497 ...
> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>>> <latina_liebhaber@yahoo.com> wrote
>>>> http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/1...e5e&ei=5087%0A
>
> It's got those geeky links to pubmed!
> Reminds me of Curt - the pubmed guy.
>
> ...
>>>> The researchers found that skipping meals during the day and eating
>>>> one large meal in the evening resulted in potentially risky
>>>> metabolic
>>>> changes. The meal skippers had elevated fasting glucose levels and
>>>> a
>>>> delayed insulin response -- conditions that, if they persisted long
>>>> term, could lead to diabetes.
> ...
>>>>
>>>> The study was notable because it followed another study earlier
>>>> this
>>>> year that found that skipping meals every other day could actually
>>>> improve a patient's health.
> ...
>>>>
>>>> The conclusion, say the authors of the more recent meal-skipping
>>>> study, is that skipping meals as part of a controlled eating plan
>>>> that results in lower calorie intake can result in better
>>>> health. However, skipping meals during the day and then overeating
>>>> at the evening meal results in harmful metabolic changes in the
>>>> body.
>>
>> Note the mention of problems with "short-term experiments". I
>> believe
>> that is key here.
>>
>> I have stated many times on mfw, and will again, that changing one's
>> eating schedule and the resultant improvement in insulin response,
>> body composition, etc., is no different than changing one's lifting
>> schedule and the resultant increase in strength or muscle - it must
>> be done gradually, with a sense of pacing, with an awareness that
>> both over- and under-doing the rate of change will not yield good
>> results. Why people expect it to work any other way is, frankly,
>> quite beyond me.
>
> The senior author of both studies practices the intermittent fasting
> himself, by skipping (or drastically reducing calories - can't recall
> which one) every other day. He published quite a lot on the benefits
> of IF:
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/sites/en...attson%20mp%22[Author]%20AND%20%22intermittent%20fasting%22
>
> The study was not so short, 11 weeks, but the subjects were asked to
> stuff themselves in the evening (eat more than they would like in a
> single meal).
>
> They note that the glucose tolerance tests were performed in the
> morning, so the meal-skippers ate much more in proximity to the test
> compared to the controls.
>
>> The Warrior Diet book, and the Anti-Estrogenic Diet book, a more
>> recent offering from the same author, do a much better job of
>> explaining what's going on and why.
>
> I haven't read either and I'm not planning to :-)

You don't need to, either, IMHO.

> BTW, does the same guy make the "Warrior protein bars" that you
> mentioned previously? I believe that in my "meal skipping" there is no
> place for protein bars or any other human cat-food: when it's finally
> time to eat, it has to be a better food.

Yes, same person/company. I use "human cat-food" (perhaps inhuman would
be a better adjective) for a variety of purposes, but basically I like
to eat it when I get hungry and there's nothing better available. Many
days, I manage strictly real food, e.g., today, but some days, it's just
not possible on my schedule. I have found that if I let myself go with
too little food during the day, sometimes dinner time rolls around and I
end up eating a huge dinner followed by a huge dessert, and I much
prefer sneaking in the 250-ish calories of the inhuman cat-food
mid-afternoon and arriving at the dinner table hungry but not famished.
FWIW, I am having trouble keeping my weight _up_ at this point in my
life because I am just so busy.

Just wait until you start schlepping children all over creation ...

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com