Flaxseed Oil versus Fish Oil

I guess I'm going to try fish oil pills next! I love fish, but I hate
to cook, and seafood is so expensive otherwise, unless I eat canned
tuna every day....


http://www.slate.com/id/2175474/nav/tap3/

EXCERPT

On the whole, though, it may not make a lot of sense for athletes to
take flaxseed oil instead of fish oil, since many scientists believe
individuals differ in how efficiently they convert the omega-3 fatty
acids in flax into EPA and DHA. According to a 2002 study from the
British Journal of Nutrition, women turn just a third of the flaxseed
fatty acids into the good stuff; men were even less successful. It's
much easier to pop a fish oil pill, which delivers EPA and DHA
straight to the body.

Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> writes:

> I guess I'm going to try fish oil pills next! I love fish, but I hate
> to cook, and seafood is so expensive otherwise, unless I eat canned
> tuna every day....
>
>
> http://www.slate.com/id/2175474/nav/tap3/
>
> EXCERPT
>
> On the whole, though, it may not make a lot of sense for athletes to
> take flaxseed oil instead of fish oil, since many scientists believe
> individuals differ in how efficiently they convert the omega-3 fatty
> acids in flax into EPA and DHA. According to a 2002 study from the
> British Journal of Nutrition, women turn just a third of the flaxseed
> fatty acids into the good stuff; men were even less successful. It's
> much easier to pop a fish oil pill, which delivers EPA and DHA
> straight to the body.

Tuna is not the only canned fish. You can find canned salmon at
reasonable prices, usually right next to the tuna on the shelf, and
sardines and kippers (smoked herring) should be right next to those.
These are all lower on the food chain than tuna and thus less likely
to contain mercury.

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...3/ai_100732358

But fish oil capsules are a good idea too. There's really no reason
not to do both.

--
Jim Janney

"Jim Janney" <jjanney@xmission.xmission.com> wrote in message
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> Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> writes:
>
>> I guess I'm going to try fish oil pills next! I love fish, but I hate
>> to cook, and seafood is so expensive otherwise, unless I eat canned
>> tuna every day....
>>
>>
>> http://www.slate.com/id/2175474/nav/tap3/
>>
>> EXCERPT
>>
>> On the whole, though, it may not make a lot of sense for athletes to
>> take flaxseed oil instead of fish oil, since many scientists believe
>> individuals differ in how efficiently they convert the omega-3 fatty
>> acids in flax into EPA and DHA. According to a 2002 study from the
>> British Journal of Nutrition, women turn just a third of the flaxseed
>> fatty acids into the good stuff; men were even less successful. It's
>> much easier to pop a fish oil pill, which delivers EPA and DHA
>> straight to the body.
>
> Tuna is not the only canned fish. You can find canned salmon at
> reasonable prices, usually right next to the tuna on the shelf, and
> sardines and kippers (smoked herring) should be right next to those.
> These are all lower on the food chain than tuna and thus less likely
> to contain mercury.
>
> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...3/ai_100732358
>
> But fish oil capsules are a good idea too. There's really no reason
> not to do both.
>
> --
> Jim Janney

I have been using Fish oil capsules, Udo's Choice and Emu Oil. Seeing that
there is good evidence that all of them have positive benefits, I figured it
couldn't hurt to use them all. :-) Needless to say, I'm not guzzling them,
but I use 6 fish oil caps/day, 8 Emu Oil caps and 2 table spoons of Udo's
Choice. Since I started my HDL has increased and LDL dropped. I've been able
to stop taking Pravacol too. The main reason I started was because of the
Pravacol. I'm not a fan of statin meds, but I do know they can save lives.
My HDL/LDL became out of whack because of taking Rapamune for my kidney
transplant. Rapamune lowers HDL. I have also noticed that my skin feels
better too. If anyone wants to read a good book regarding Essential Fatty
acids, check out Udo Erasmus' book, "Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill." There
is a lot of chemistry that many can skip, but the main info is very good.

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

On Oct 9, 9:55 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I guess I'm going to try fish oil pills next! I love fish, but I hate
> to cook, and seafood is so expensive otherwise, unless I eat canned
> tuna every day....

Tuna isn't the best seafood choice for omega 3. Jim has the right idea
with sardines, kippers, and I would add pickled herring. Canned salmon
is a good choice. And if you really want to have low cost fish, try
canned jack mackeral.

For fish oil try the double distilled so you only need to take one
capsule and reduce your intake of toxic substances (which are minor,
anyway).

There is a company that makes the omega 3 fatty acid DHA from
algae(vegan?) which has a higher standard of purity than fish oil but
costs considerably more.

Because of the high price of fish oil, it makes sense to get the omega
3 fatty acid ALA from vegetable sources such as flax seed, walnuts,
canola oil, pumpkin seeds, purslane, and chia seeds.

--
Ron

The "benefits" are only short term. Too much of these "foods" are
very dangerous. I don't know where you are getting your information
from (most likely, from those with conflicts of interest or from those
who are unaware of the scientific literature). I created a page on my
free site that has quotations from the literature that the mainstream
media is not disclosing:

http://groups.msn.com/TheScientificD...houldread.msnw

On Oct 9, 9:55 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I guess I'm going to try fish oil pills next! I love fish, but I hate
> to cook, and seafood is so expensive otherwise, unless I eat canned
> tuna every day....

hint:
the cost of seafood does not change as a result of your eating canned
tuna every day.

"Hard Bop Drums" <> I have been using Fish oil capsules, Udo's Choice and
Emu Oil. Seeing that there is good evidence that all of them have positive
benefits. Since I started my HDL has increased and LDL dropped. I have also
noticed that my skin feels better too. If anyone wants to read a good book
regarding Essential Fatty
> acids, check out Udo Erasmus' book, "Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill." >>

Thanks for the info. I have both Fish pills and flaxseed pills. Once the
flaxseed finishes, I guess I should just forget about them and stick to fish
oil?

"Hard Bop Drums"
>
> I have been using Fish oil capsules, Udo's Choice and Emu Oil. Seeing that
> there is good evidence that all of them have positive benefits, I figured
> it couldn't hurt to use them all. :-) Needless to say, I'm not guzzling
> them, but I use 6 fish oil caps/day, 8 Emu Oil caps and 2 table spoons of
> Udo's Choice. Since I started my HDL has increased and LDL dropped. I've
> been able to stop taking Pravacol too. The main reason I started was
> because of the Pravacol. I'm not a fan of statin meds, but I do know they
> can save lives. My HDL/LDL became out of whack because of taking Rapamune
> for my kidney transplant. Rapamune lowers HDL. I have also noticed that my
> skin feels better too. If anyone wants to read a good book regarding
> Essential Fatty acids, check out Udo Erasmus' book, "Fats That Heal, Fats
> That Kill." There is a lot of chemistry that many can skip, but the main
> info is very good.

Thanks for the info Robert. Have you ever thought that "maybe" thats to much
Fish oil??

I take "one" fish oil" pill every other day. I take one calcium every other
day and one potassium every other day.

From Mayo Clinic:

Omega-3 fatty acids, fish oil, alpha-linolenic acid Dietary sources of
omega-3 fatty acids include fish oil and certain plant/nut oils. fish oil
contains both docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) and eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA),
while some nuts (English walnuts) and vegetable oils (canola, soybean, ...

Fish oil supplements: A possible treatment for depression? Some research
suggests that fish oil supplements may be an effective add-on therapy for
depression.

Podcast: Omega-3 fatty acids - Get the heart health benefits A Mayo Clinic
dietitian explains how you can incorporate omega-3 fatty acids into your
diet.


Burr

Big, Lean, Mean & Clean

Subs. Iron Mind 20 yrs.

"Burr" <pitzradio@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Hard Bop Drums"
>>
>> I have been using Fish oil capsules, Udo's Choice and Emu Oil. Seeing
>> that there is good evidence that all of them have positive benefits,
>> I figured it couldn't hurt to use them all. :-) Needless to say, I'm
>> not guzzling them, but I use 6 fish oil caps/day, 8 Emu Oil caps and
>> 2 table spoons of Udo's Choice. Since I started my HDL has increased
>> and LDL dropped. I've been able to stop taking Pravacol too. The main
>> reason I started was because of the Pravacol. I'm not a fan of statin
>> meds, but I do know they can save lives. My HDL/LDL became out of
>> whack because of taking Rapamune for my kidney transplant. Rapamune
>> lowers HDL. I have also noticed that my skin feels better too. If
>> anyone wants to read a good book regarding Essential Fatty acids,
>> check out Udo Erasmus' book, "Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill." There
>> is a lot of chemistry that many can skip, but the main info is very
>> good.
>
> Thanks for the info Robert. Have you ever thought that "maybe" thats
> to much Fish oil??
>
> I take "one" fish oil" pill every other day. I take one calcium every
> other day and one potassium every other day.

Most people will do fine following the directions on the package about
how much to take. Not all capsules are the same size.

Second, one can buy a "healthy oils" capsule from a wide variety of
sources that includes some fish oil, some borage oil, some flax seed
oil, etc. They've done the homework, it's easy, so that's what I do.
Mine recommends three capsules per day - I take mine with my other
vitamins in the morning.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

One of the downsides of canned fish is the amount of
salt in the products. One had better not be on a low
salt diet.

Some of the frozen chinese wild caught
salmon is around 4 to 5 dollars a pound. And the premium
wild caught salmon is around 8 or 9 dollars a pound at Winco as I
recall.
In short, fresh or frozen fish really is a better option.
I'd avoid the farmed fish especially the farmed
salmon. Farmed fish operations are very damaging
to wild salmon stocks. The practice in my view is criminal.

Dnia Wed, 10 Oct 2007 o 15:23 GMT trigonometry1972@gmail.com napisa³(a):
> One of the downsides of canned fish is the amount of
> salt in the products. One had better not be on a low
> salt diet.

People who workout regularly and sweat a lot, shouldn't be afraid of
salt (even assuming that others should, which wasn't a gospel last time
I checked).

> Some of the frozen chinese wild caught
> salmon is around 4 to 5 dollars a pound. And the premium
> wild caught salmon is around 8 or 9 dollars a pound at Winco as I
> recall.
> In short, fresh or frozen fish really is a better option.
> I'd avoid the farmed fish especially the farmed
> salmon. Farmed fish operations are very damaging
> to wild salmon stocks. The practice in my view is criminal.

Seems obvious to me, but I'm crazy at times.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

<trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> One of the downsides of canned fish is the amount of
> salt in the products. One had better not be on a low
> salt diet.

The importance of low sodium in controlling blood pressure is, of late,
being downplayed. I can say, however, that in patients with congestive
heart failure (and, I imagine, in others with circulatory systems that
are only functioning marginally), too much salt can be a problem. My
father is one such example.

My theory goes like this - if you eat better - closer to the source,
organic, votes Democratic, etc - food, then it has more flavor and
you need less salt. Salt is used to make up for some of the taste that
food processing takes away. I base my theory solely on my own
experience - if I eat better for a while, processed foods tend to taste
salty to me.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

> Some of the frozen chinese wild caught
> salmon is around 4 to 5 dollars a pound. And the premium
> wild caught salmon is around 8 or 9 dollars a pound at Winco as I
> recall.
> In short, fresh or frozen fish really is a better option.
> I'd avoid the farmed fish especially the farmed
> salmon. Farmed fish operations are very damaging
> to wild salmon stocks. The practice in my view is criminal.
>

On Oct 9, 6:02 pm, "Anonymoose" <ananym...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Hard Bop Drums" <> I have been using Fish oil capsules, Udo's Choice and
> Emu Oil. Seeing that there is good evidence that all of them have positive
> benefits. Since I started my HDL has increased and LDL dropped. I have also
> noticed that my skin feels better too. If anyone wants to read a good book
> regarding Essential Fatty
> acids, check out Udo Erasmus' book, "Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill." >>

> Thanks for the info. I have both Fish pills and flaxseed pills. Once the
> flaxseed finishes, I guess I should just forget about them and stick to fish
> oil?

No. It's currently beleived to have your omega 3 consumption about 25%
or more of your omega 6 consumption. Omega 6 is an essential fatty
acid but usually doesn't need to be supplemented. So take your flax
seed for that balance, but keep on taking the fish oil for the EPA and
DHA omega 3 fatty acids.

--
Ron

"Hard Bop Drums" <nospam@hardbopdrums.com> writes:

> "Jim Janney" <jjanney@xmission.xmission.com> wrote in message
> news:2podf85gqr.fsf@xmission.xmission.com...
>> Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>>> I guess I'm going to try fish oil pills next! I love fish, but I hate
>>> to cook, and seafood is so expensive otherwise, unless I eat canned
>>> tuna every day....
>>>
>>>
>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2175474/nav/tap3/
>>>
>>> EXCERPT
>>>
>>> On the whole, though, it may not make a lot of sense for athletes to
>>> take flaxseed oil instead of fish oil, since many scientists believe
>>> individuals differ in how efficiently they convert the omega-3 fatty
>>> acids in flax into EPA and DHA. According to a 2002 study from the
>>> British Journal of Nutrition, women turn just a third of the flaxseed
>>> fatty acids into the good stuff; men were even less successful. It's
>>> much easier to pop a fish oil pill, which delivers EPA and DHA
>>> straight to the body.
>>
>> Tuna is not the only canned fish. You can find canned salmon at
>> reasonable prices, usually right next to the tuna on the shelf, and
>> sardines and kippers (smoked herring) should be right next to those.
>> These are all lower on the food chain than tuna and thus less likely
>> to contain mercury.
>>
>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...3/ai_100732358
>>
>> But fish oil capsules are a good idea too. There's really no reason
>> not to do both.
>>
>> --
>> Jim Janney
>
> I have been using Fish oil capsules, Udo's Choice and Emu Oil. Seeing that
> there is good evidence that all of them have positive benefits, I figured it
> couldn't hurt to use them all. :-) Needless to say, I'm not guzzling them,
> but I use 6 fish oil caps/day, 8 Emu Oil caps and 2 table spoons of Udo's
> Choice. Since I started my HDL has increased and LDL dropped. I've been able
> to stop taking Pravacol too. The main reason I started was because of the
> Pravacol. I'm not a fan of statin meds, but I do know they can save lives.
> My HDL/LDL became out of whack because of taking Rapamune for my kidney
> transplant. Rapamune lowers HDL. I have also noticed that my skin feels
> better too. If anyone wants to read a good book regarding Essential Fatty
> acids, check out Udo Erasmus' book, "Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill." There
> is a lot of chemistry that many can skip, but the main info is very good.

Thanks, I see my local library has that. I haven't heard of emu oil
before. Do you have a specific reason for taking that, or are you
just hedging your bets?

--
Jim Janney

On Oct 9, 10:55 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I guess I'm going to try fish oil pills next! I love fish, but I hate
> to cook, and seafood is so expensive otherwise, unless I eat canned
> tuna every day....
>
> http://www.slate.com/id/2175474/nav/tap3/
>
> EXCERPT
>
> On the whole, though, it may not make a lot of sense for athletes to
> take flaxseed oil instead of fish oil, since many scientists believe
> individuals differ in how efficiently they convert the omega-3 fatty
> acids in flax into EPA and DHA. According to a 2002 study from the
> British Journal of Nutrition, women turn just a third of the flaxseed
> fatty acids into the good stuff; men were even less successful. It's
> much easier to pop a fish oil pill, which delivers EPA and DHA
> straight to the body.



Hey, I'm surprised no one commented on flaxseed oil being generally
less likely to be effective than fish oil....

On Oct 9, 6:23 pm, just Ed <just_ed53s...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Oct 9, 9:55 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > I guess I'm going to try fish oil pills next! I love fish, but I hate
> > to cook, and seafood is so expensive otherwise, unless I eat canned
> > tuna every day....
>
> hint:
> the cost of seafood does not change as a result of your eating canned
> tuna every day.


LOL...an alt.english.usage classic!

On Oct 10, 1:14 pm, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Hey, I'm surprised no one commented on flaxseed oil being generally
> less likely to be effective than fish oil....

That's been pretty well covered in the SMN newsgroup. For those new to
this, there are three main types of mega 3 fatty acids, ALA, EPA, and
DHA. The body converts ALA to EPA and DHA somewhat inefficiently and
because EPA and DHA have the greatest biological efficiency and since
EPA and DHA can most inexpensively be obtained from fish oil, fish oil
becomes the preferred source of omega 3 fatty acids.

The omega 3 fatty acids have multiple biological functions and are
needed in different amounts for those functions.

--
Ron

"Ron Peterson" <> No. It's currently beleived to have your omega 3
consumption about 25% or more of your omega 6 consumption. Omega 6 is an
essential fatty
> acid but usually doesn't need to be supplemented. So take your flax seed
for that balance, but keep on taking the fish oil for the EPA and DHA omega
3 fatty acids.
>

Thanks!

"Burr" <pitzradio@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Hard Bop Drums"
>>
>> I have been using Fish oil capsules, Udo's Choice and Emu Oil. Seeing
>> that there is good evidence that all of them have positive benefits, I
>> figured it couldn't hurt to use them all. :-) Needless to say, I'm not
>> guzzling them, but I use 6 fish oil caps/day, 8 Emu Oil caps and 2 table
>> spoons of Udo's Choice. Since I started my HDL has increased and LDL
>> dropped. I've been able to stop taking Pravacol too. The main reason I
>> started was because of the Pravacol. I'm not a fan of statin meds, but I
>> do know they can save lives. My HDL/LDL became out of whack because of
>> taking Rapamune for my kidney transplant. Rapamune lowers HDL. I have
>> also noticed that my skin feels better too. If anyone wants to read a
>> good book regarding Essential Fatty acids, check out Udo Erasmus' book,
>> "Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill." There is a lot of chemistry that many
>> can skip, but the main info is very good.
>
> Thanks for the info Robert. Have you ever thought that "maybe" thats to
> much Fish oil??
>


I only take 6 fish oil caps each day.


> I take "one" fish oil" pill every other day. I take one calcium every
> other day and one potassium every other day.
>

OK. What does that have to do with the price of ham?


> From Mayo Clinic:
>
> Omega-3 fatty acids, fish oil, alpha-linolenic acid Dietary sources of
> omega-3 fatty acids include fish oil and certain plant/nut oils. fish oil
> contains both docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) and eicosapentaenoic acid (EPA),
> while some nuts (English walnuts) and vegetable oils (canola, soybean, ...
>
> Fish oil supplements: A possible treatment for depression? Some research
> suggests that fish oil supplements may be an effective add-on therapy for
> depression.
>
> Podcast: Omega-3 fatty acids - Get the heart health benefits A Mayo Clinic
> dietitian explains how you can incorporate omega-3 fatty acids into your
> diet.
>
>
> Burr
>
> Big, Lean, Mean & Clean
>
> Subs. Iron Mind 20 yrs.
>
>

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

<trigonometry1972@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> One of the downsides of canned fish is the amount of
> salt in the products. One had better not be on a low
> salt diet.
>
> Some of the frozen chinese wild caught
> salmon is around 4 to 5 dollars a pound. And the premium
> wild caught salmon is around 8 or 9 dollars a pound at Winco as I
> recall.
> In short, fresh or frozen fish really is a better option.
> I'd avoid the farmed fish especially the farmed
> salmon. Farmed fish operations are very damaging
> to wild salmon stocks. The practice in my view is criminal.
>


How do the farms hurt wild salmon populations? If anything, they help
preserve wild stocks. The farm raised fish is not as nutritious.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

"Jim Janney" <jjanney@xmission.xmission.com> wrote in message
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> "Hard Bop Drums" <nospam@hardbopdrums.com> writes:
>
>> "Jim Janney" <jjanney@xmission.xmission.com> wrote in message
>> news:2podf85gqr.fsf@xmission.xmission.com...
>>> Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> writes:
>>>
>>>> I guess I'm going to try fish oil pills next! I love fish, but I hate
>>>> to cook, and seafood is so expensive otherwise, unless I eat canned
>>>> tuna every day....
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.slate.com/id/2175474/nav/tap3/
>>>>
>>>> EXCERPT
>>>>
>>>> On the whole, though, it may not make a lot of sense for athletes to
>>>> take flaxseed oil instead of fish oil, since many scientists believe
>>>> individuals differ in how efficiently they convert the omega-3 fatty
>>>> acids in flax into EPA and DHA. According to a 2002 study from the
>>>> British Journal of Nutrition, women turn just a third of the flaxseed
>>>> fatty acids into the good stuff; men were even less successful. It's
>>>> much easier to pop a fish oil pill, which delivers EPA and DHA
>>>> straight to the body.
>>>
>>> Tuna is not the only canned fish. You can find canned salmon at
>>> reasonable prices, usually right next to the tuna on the shelf, and
>>> sardines and kippers (smoked herring) should be right next to those.
>>> These are all lower on the food chain than tuna and thus less likely
>>> to contain mercury.
>>>
>>> http://findarticles.com/p/articles/m...3/ai_100732358
>>>
>>> But fish oil capsules are a good idea too. There's really no reason
>>> not to do both.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jim Janney
>>
>> I have been using Fish oil capsules, Udo's Choice and Emu Oil. Seeing
>> that
>> there is good evidence that all of them have positive benefits, I figured
>> it
>> couldn't hurt to use them all. :-) Needless to say, I'm not guzzling
>> them,
>> but I use 6 fish oil caps/day, 8 Emu Oil caps and 2 table spoons of Udo's
>> Choice. Since I started my HDL has increased and LDL dropped. I've been
>> able
>> to stop taking Pravacol too. The main reason I started was because of the
>> Pravacol. I'm not a fan of statin meds, but I do know they can save
>> lives.
>> My HDL/LDL became out of whack because of taking Rapamune for my kidney
>> transplant. Rapamune lowers HDL. I have also noticed that my skin feels
>> better too. If anyone wants to read a good book regarding Essential Fatty
>> acids, check out Udo Erasmus' book, "Fats That Heal, Fats That Kill."
>> There
>> is a lot of chemistry that many can skip, but the main info is very good.
>
> Thanks, I see my local library has that. I haven't heard of emu oil
> before. Do you have a specific reason for taking that, or are you
> just hedging your bets?
>
> --
> Jim Janney

Emu oil is rich in essential fatty acids. I've read a few reports that
because it comes from another animal source that it may have increased
benefits. I guess you could say I'm hedging my bets, but there is good
science behind it. :-)


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

> How do the farms hurt wild salmon populations? If anything, they help
> preserve wild stocks. The farm raised fish is not as nutritious.
>

No they hurt wild populations and badly. Captive fish are very prone
to parasites and these get passed on to the wild salmon runs. Please
recall
were they raise these captive fish. They raise them along the shores
and the inlets were native salmon pass thru during their runs.
The result is that the native wild fish end up swimming thru
concentrated clouds of parasites
which infect them.
Plus the confined populations provide an environment suitable
selecting ever more
lethal parasites as long as humans keep introducing more salmon into
the pen.
As memory serves, the parasites of interest
are called sea lice.

Even hatchery fish are more of a problem than a help. As they
causes a rapid genetic decline such that the runs become unable to
propagate without human intervention which is something Nietzsche
would understand. There should be article on the topic
in some newspaper like the Seattle PI or other Pacific
NW newspaper. This was news only a matter of a few days ago
on NW public radio. Google it.

The way to restore the wild runs is to restore the environment, stop
over
fishing even by treaty right natives and the super trawlers, reducing
toxic pollution,
and to remove some of the Dams.
And I like Dams.

"Hard Bop Drums" >>
>
> OK. What does that have to do with the price of ham?
>
>
>> From Mayo Clinic:

>> Fish oil supplements: A possible treatment for depression? Some research
>> suggests that fish oil supplements may be an effective add-on therapy for
>> depression.

> http://www.hardbopdrums.com/
>

Hey Robert,
In case you're "depressed because you are so small and ugly"

Take six and call me in the morning if you are alive!

Burr

Big, Lean, Mean & Clean

Subs. Iron Mind 20 yrs.

Hard Bop Drums wrote:

> Emu oil is rich in essential fatty acids. I've read a few reports that
> because it comes from another animal source that it may have increased
> benefits. I guess you could say I'm hedging my bets, but there is good
> science behind it. :-)

Emu oil has a low content of omega 3 fatty acids and there are other
(vegetable oil) alternatives for a source of omega 6 fatty acids.

--
Ron

"Ron Peterson" <ron@shell.core.com> wrote in message
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>
> Hard Bop Drums wrote:
>
>> Emu oil is rich in essential fatty acids. I've read a few reports that
>> because it comes from another animal source that it may have increased
>> benefits. I guess you could say I'm hedging my bets, but there is good
>> science behind it. :-)
>
> Emu oil has a low content of omega 3 fatty acids and there are other
> (vegetable oil) alternatives for a source of omega 6 fatty acids.
>
> --
> Ron
>

Ron,
Did you read what I said I took? I use Udo's Choice, fish oil caps and Emu
oil caps. I take small amount of all and have had a significant change in my
HDL/LDL ratios. I had been on Pravacol because of one of the anti rejection
meds I take for my renal transplant. Since taking the EFA sups, I've been
able to stop taking the Pravacol.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

On Oct 15, 5:43 pm, "Hard Bop Drums" <nos...@hardbopdrums.com> wrote:
> "Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote in message

> > Emu oil has a low content of omega 3 fatty acids and there are other
> > (vegetable oil) alternatives for a source of omega 6 fatty acids.

> Did you read what I said I took? I use Udo's Choice, fish oil caps and Emu
> oil caps. I take small amount of all and have had a significant change in my
> HDL/LDL ratios. I had been on Pravacol because of one of the anti rejection
> meds I take for my renal transplant. Since taking the EFA sups, I've been
> able to stop taking the Pravacol.

I'm not questioning your results. I'm just suggesting there might be a
cheaper way to get some of your EFAs.

--
Ron

"Ron Peterson" <ron@shell.core.com> wrote in message
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> On Oct 15, 5:43 pm, "Hard Bop Drums" <nos...@hardbopdrums.com> wrote:
>> "Ron Peterson" <r...@shell.core.com> wrote in message
>
>> > Emu oil has a low content of omega 3 fatty acids and there are other
>> > (vegetable oil) alternatives for a source of omega 6 fatty acids.
>
>> Did you read what I said I took? I use Udo's Choice, fish oil caps and
>> Emu
>> oil caps. I take small amount of all and have had a significant change in
>> my
>> HDL/LDL ratios. I had been on Pravacol because of one of the anti
>> rejection
>> meds I take for my renal transplant. Since taking the EFA sups, I've been
>> able to stop taking the Pravacol.
>
> I'm not questioning your results. I'm just suggesting there might be a
> cheaper way to get some of your EFAs.
>
> --
> Ron
>

Are you familiar with Udo's Choice? It's not expensive.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/