Forearm training

I know there are alot of people here who will think that just lifting
weights, doing your routine, with 350 pound deadliftfts will
strengthen your forarms. But i wanted to go a bit farther that that.

I know most of you guys say "easy on the forearm training, its easy to
overdo it." But i KNOW that isnt true.

I started about 3 years ago doint Zottman Curls, Shadow boxing with
various weights and a grip machine than can hold 130 pounds.. Then i
went to iron minds and got a 1 and 2 gripper.. They are bastards..


I was wondering what you guys were doing about grip strength about
anything..

And if you say just my normal routine, you might be right, but still
if you concentrated on grip of course your grip would improve, just
like if you concentrated on your quads or calfs or biceps.. IMHO its a
very overlooked muscle because you use it to pick up ALL YOUR DAMN
WEIGHTS.

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, sam0101456@gmail.com wrote:

> I was wondering what you guys were doing about grip strength about
> anything..
>
> And if you say just my normal routine, you might be right, but still if
> you concentrated on grip of course your grip would improve, just like if
> you concentrated on your quads or calfs or biceps..

Quite true.

> IMHO its a very overlooked muscle because you use it to pick up ALL YOUR
> DAMN WEIGHTS.

If you're successfully picking up all your weights with it, i would say
it's strong enough. What advantage does an even stronger grip give you? If
you have a functional need for it, like martial arts or arm wrestling or
sailing or something, then sure, go for it. Or if you're after the Popeye
look. But if you want strength in the big lifts and a conventionally
muscular body, what's the point of getting all worked up over grip?

OTOH, if you're *not* successfully picking up all your weights, if some of
your lifts are failing at the hand rather than the arm or back or
whatever, then sure, work on the forearms to address that weak link.

So in my case, no specific formarm exercises.

tom

--
Annoying others means you are wise; it is when you annoy yourself that
you are truly enlightened. -- The Bullet Proof Monk

On Mar 3, 6:19 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, sam0101...@gmail.com wrote:
[...]

> > IMHO its a very overlooked muscle because you use it to pick up ALL YOUR
> > DAMN WEIGHTS.

Isn't that a contradictory statement? If you pick up ALL your weights
with the assistance of your forearms then how does that equate to them
being overlooked? By my way of thinking (suspect, perhaps) that's like
saying "Cars are the most overlooked vehicle as you DRIVE THEM ALL THE
TIME."

(does the Scooby "Rhat's rat, Raggy?")

> If you're successfully picking up all your weights with it, i would say
> it's strong enough. What advantage does an even stronger grip give you? If
> you have a functional need for it, <snip>

Functional?

Tom Anderson = Possessed by Steve Freides?

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"Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803032315570.13559@urchin.eart h.li...
> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, sam0101456@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I was wondering what you guys were doing about grip strength about
>> anything..
>>
>> And if you say just my normal routine, you might be right, but still if
>> you concentrated on grip of course your grip would improve, just like if
>> you concentrated on your quads or calfs or biceps..
>
> Quite true.
>
>> IMHO its a very overlooked muscle because you use it to pick up ALL YOUR
>> DAMN WEIGHTS.
>
> If you're successfully picking up all your weights with it, i would say
> it's strong enough. What advantage does an even stronger grip give you? If
> you have a functional need for it, like martial arts or arm wrestling or
> sailing or something, then sure, go for it. Or if you're after the Popeye
> look. But if you want strength in the big lifts and a conventionally
> muscular body, what's the point of getting all worked up over grip?
>
> OTOH, if you're *not* successfully picking up all your weights, if some of
> your lifts are failing at the hand rather than the arm or back or
> whatever, then sure, work on the forearms to address that weak link.
>
> So in my case, no specific formarm exercises.
>
> tom
>
> --
> Annoying others means you are wise; it is when you annoy yourself that
> you are truly enlightened. -- The Bullet Proof Monk

Does building a stronger grip necessarilly add size to the forearms? I read
sometime back it won't. If a person is wanting larger forearms wouldn't over
and under wrist curls, zotman curls, and reverse curls be more effective
than pinch gripping or squeezing an ironman gripper?

On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:

> "Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803032315570.13559@urchin.eart h.li...
>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, sam0101456@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> I was wondering what you guys were doing about grip strength about
>>> anything..
>>>
>>> IMHO its a very overlooked muscle because you use it to pick up ALL YOUR
>>> DAMN WEIGHTS.
>>
>> If you're successfully picking up all your weights with it, i would say
>> it's strong enough. What advantage does an even stronger grip give you? If
>> you have a functional need for it, like martial arts or arm wrestling or
>> sailing or something, then sure, go for it. Or if you're after the Popeye
>> look. But if you want strength in the big lifts and a conventionally
>> muscular body, what's the point of getting all worked up over grip?
>
> Does building a stronger grip necessarilly add size to the forearms? I
> read sometime back it won't. If a person is wanting larger forearms
> wouldn't over and under wrist curls, zotman curls, and reverse curls be
> more effective than pinch gripping or squeezing an ironman gripper?

It's like any other muscle. You can train it to increase strength without
increasing size, by improving recruitment, but that will only get you so
far. If you want to increase strength substantially, you need to increase
the amount of muscle.

tom

--
.... and the children still cry "Make mine a 99"

"Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803041457380.28188@urchin.eart h.li...
> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:
>
>> "Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803032315570.13559@urchin.eart h.li...
>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, sam0101456@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was wondering what you guys were doing about grip strength about
>>>> anything..
>>>>
>>>> IMHO its a very overlooked muscle because you use it to pick up ALL
>>>> YOUR
>>>> DAMN WEIGHTS.
>>>
>>> If you're successfully picking up all your weights with it, i would say
>>> it's strong enough. What advantage does an even stronger grip give you?
>>> If
>>> you have a functional need for it, like martial arts or arm wrestling or
>>> sailing or something, then sure, go for it. Or if you're after the
>>> Popeye
>>> look. But if you want strength in the big lifts and a conventionally
>>> muscular body, what's the point of getting all worked up over grip?
>>
>> Does building a stronger grip necessarilly add size to the forearms? I
>> read sometime back it won't. If a person is wanting larger forearms
>> wouldn't over and under wrist curls, zotman curls, and reverse curls be
>> more effective than pinch gripping or squeezing an ironman gripper?
>
> It's like any other muscle. You can train it to increase strength without
> increasing size, by improving recruitment, but that will only get you so
> far. If you want to increase strength substantially, you need to increase
> the amount of muscle.
>
> tom
>
> --
> ... and the children still cry "Make mine a 99"

So your saying that squeezing a gripper will add forearm size?

On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:

> "Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803041457380.28188@urchin.eart h.li...
>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:
>>
>>> "Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
>>> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803032315570.13559@urchin.eart h.li...
>>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, sam0101456@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was wondering what you guys were doing about grip strength about
>>>>> anything..
>>>>>
>>>>> IMHO its a very overlooked muscle because you use it to pick up ALL
>>>>> YOUR
>>>>> DAMN WEIGHTS.
>>>>
>>>> If you're successfully picking up all your weights with it, i would say
>>>> it's strong enough. What advantage does an even stronger grip give you?
>>>> If
>>>> you have a functional need for it, like martial arts or arm wrestling or
>>>> sailing or something, then sure, go for it. Or if you're after the
>>>> Popeye
>>>> look. But if you want strength in the big lifts and a conventionally
>>>> muscular body, what's the point of getting all worked up over grip?
>>>
>>> Does building a stronger grip necessarilly add size to the forearms? I
>>> read sometime back it won't. If a person is wanting larger forearms
>>> wouldn't over and under wrist curls, zotman curls, and reverse curls be
>>> more effective than pinch gripping or squeezing an ironman gripper?
>>
>> It's like any other muscle. You can train it to increase strength without
>> increasing size, by improving recruitment, but that will only get you so
>> far. If you want to increase strength substantially, you need to increase
>> the amount of muscle.
>
> So your saying that squeezing a gripper will add forearm size?

If you had a hard enough one, and squeezed it enough, sure. Are you saying
it won't?

tom

--
william gibson said that the future has already happened, it just isn't
evenly distributed. he was talking specifically about finsbury park. --
andy

On Mar 5, 4:24 am, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
> On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:
> > "Tom Anderson" <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
> >news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803041457380.28188@urchin.ear th.li...
> >> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:
>
> >>> "Tom Anderson" <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
> >>>news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803032315570.13559@urchin.e arth.li...
> >>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, sam0101...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>>>> I was wondering what you guys were doing about grip strength about
> >>>>> anything..
>
> >>>>> IMHO its a very overlooked muscle because you use it to pick up ALL
> >>>>> YOUR
> >>>>> DAMN WEIGHTS.
>
> >>>> If you're successfully picking up all your weights with it, i would say
> >>>> it's strong enough. What advantage does an even stronger grip give you?
> >>>> If
> >>>> you have a functional need for it, like martial arts or arm wrestling or
> >>>> sailing or something, then sure, go for it. Or if you're after the
> >>>> Popeye
> >>>> look. But if you want strength in the big lifts and a conventionally
> >>>> muscular body, what's the point of getting all worked up over grip?
>
> >>> Does building a stronger grip necessarilly add size to the forearms? I
> >>> read sometime back it won't. If a person is wanting larger forearms
> >>> wouldn't over and under wrist curls, zotman curls, and reverse curls be
> >>> more effective than pinch gripping or squeezing an ironman gripper?
>
> >> It's like any other muscle. You can train it to increase strength without
> >> increasing size, by improving recruitment, but that will only get you so
> >> far. If you want to increase strength substantially, you need to increase
> >> the amount of muscle.
>
> > So your saying that squeezing a gripper will add forearm size?
>
> If you had a hard enough one, and squeezed it enough, sure. Are you saying
> it won't?
>
> tom
>
> --
> william gibson said that the future has already happened, it just isn't
> evenly distributed. he was talking specifically about finsbury park. --
> andy



I use ironman grippers as part of my regular exercise routine. They
add some size to your forearm, but for me they add more definition.
Plus it's fun to shake hands with someone you don't like. I do one set
for 2 minutes (about 80 repetitions) with 150 lbs.

"Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803051149340.27317@urchin.eart h.li...
> On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:
>
>> "Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803041457380.28188@urchin.eart h.li...
>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
>>>> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803032315570.13559@urchin.eart h.li...
>>>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, sam0101456@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was wondering what you guys were doing about grip strength about
>>>>>> anything..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IMHO its a very overlooked muscle because you use it to pick up ALL
>>>>>> YOUR
>>>>>> DAMN WEIGHTS.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you're successfully picking up all your weights with it, i would
>>>>> say
>>>>> it's strong enough. What advantage does an even stronger grip give
>>>>> you?
>>>>> If
>>>>> you have a functional need for it, like martial arts or arm wrestling
>>>>> or
>>>>> sailing or something, then sure, go for it. Or if you're after the
>>>>> Popeye
>>>>> look. But if you want strength in the big lifts and a conventionally
>>>>> muscular body, what's the point of getting all worked up over grip?
>>>>
>>>> Does building a stronger grip necessarilly add size to the forearms? I
>>>> read sometime back it won't. If a person is wanting larger forearms
>>>> wouldn't over and under wrist curls, zotman curls, and reverse curls be
>>>> more effective than pinch gripping or squeezing an ironman gripper?
>>>
>>> It's like any other muscle. You can train it to increase strength
>>> without
>>> increasing size, by improving recruitment, but that will only get you so
>>> far. If you want to increase strength substantially, you need to
>>> increase
>>> the amount of muscle.
>>
>> So your saying that squeezing a gripper will add forearm size?
>
> If you had a hard enough one, and squeezed it enough, sure. Are you saying
> it won't?
>
> tom

No...I am asking. I have read that building grip does not necessarilly build
forearms. And that building forearms doesn't necessarilly make grip
stronger. I don't know. I am asking for opinions.

<upnrunning@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Mar 5, 4:24 am, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
>> On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:
>> > "Tom Anderson" <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
>> >news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803041457380.28188@urchin.ear th.li...
>> >> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:
>>
>> >>> "Tom Anderson" <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
>> >>>news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803032315570.13559@urchin.e arth.li...
>> >>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, sam0101...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >>>>> I was wondering what you guys were doing about grip strength about
>> >>>>> anything..
>>
>> >>>>> IMHO its a very overlooked muscle because you use it to pick up ALL
>> >>>>> YOUR
>> >>>>> DAMN WEIGHTS.
>>
>> >>>> If you're successfully picking up all your weights with it, i would
>> >>>> say
>> >>>> it's strong enough. What advantage does an even stronger grip give
>> >>>> you?
>> >>>> If
>> >>>> you have a functional need for it, like martial arts or arm
>> >>>> wrestling or
>> >>>> sailing or something, then sure, go for it. Or if you're after the
>> >>>> Popeye
>> >>>> look. But if you want strength in the big lifts and a conventionally
>> >>>> muscular body, what's the point of getting all worked up over grip?
>>
>> >>> Does building a stronger grip necessarilly add size to the forearms?
>> >>> I
>> >>> read sometime back it won't. If a person is wanting larger forearms
>> >>> wouldn't over and under wrist curls, zotman curls, and reverse curls
>> >>> be
>> >>> more effective than pinch gripping or squeezing an ironman gripper?
>>
>> >> It's like any other muscle. You can train it to increase strength
>> >> without
>> >> increasing size, by improving recruitment, but that will only get you
>> >> so
>> >> far. If you want to increase strength substantially, you need to
>> >> increase
>> >> the amount of muscle.
>>
>> > So your saying that squeezing a gripper will add forearm size?
>>
>> If you had a hard enough one, and squeezed it enough, sure. Are you
>> saying
>> it won't?
>>
>> tom
>>
>> --
>> william gibson said that the future has already happened, it just isn't
>> evenly distributed. he was talking specifically about finsbury park. --
>> andy
>
>
>
> I use ironman grippers as part of my regular exercise routine. They
> add some size to your forearm, but for me they add more definition.
> Plus it's fun to shake hands with someone you don't like. I do one set
> for 2 minutes (about 80 repetitions) with 150 lbs.

Which ones do you use? Trainer? or 1s through 4s?

Dnia 2008-03-05 Homer Simpson napisa³(a):
>
> "Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
>>>
>>> So your saying that squeezing a gripper will add forearm size?
>>
>> If you had a hard enough one, and squeezed it enough, sure. Are you saying
>> it won't?
>>
>> tom
>
> No...I am asking. I have read that building grip does not necessarilly build
> forearms.

http://www.heavygrips.com/images2/MMtorsoshot.jpg

Grippers build mostly wrist flextors, which would be those meaty hanging
parts in the photo above. But this guy also has good wrist extensors,
which grippers do not build much.

> And that building forearms doesn't necessarilly make grip
> stronger. I don't know. I am asking for opinions.

That seems to be true. Grip strength is mostly isometric, which tend to
be angle-specific.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

On Mar 5, 1:58 pm, "Homer Simpson" <homersimp...@springfield.com>
wrote:
> <upnrunn...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
>
>
> > On Mar 5, 4:24 am, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
> >> On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:
> >> > "Tom Anderson" <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
> >> >news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803041457380.28188@urchin.ear th.li...
> >> >> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:
>
> >> >>> "Tom Anderson" <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
> >> >>>news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803032315570.13559@urchin.e arth.li...
> >> >>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, sam0101...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> >>>>> I was wondering what you guys were doing about grip strength about
> >> >>>>> anything..
>
> >> >>>>> IMHO its a very overlooked muscle because you use it to pick up ALL
> >> >>>>> YOUR
> >> >>>>> DAMN WEIGHTS.
>
> >> >>>> If you're successfully picking up all your weights with it, i would
> >> >>>> say
> >> >>>> it's strong enough. What advantage does an even stronger grip give
> >> >>>> you?
> >> >>>> If
> >> >>>> you have a functional need for it, like martial arts or arm
> >> >>>> wrestling or
> >> >>>> sailing or something, then sure, go for it. Or if you're after the
> >> >>>> Popeye
> >> >>>> look. But if you want strength in the big lifts and a conventionally
> >> >>>> muscular body, what's the point of getting all worked up over grip?
>
> >> >>> Does building a stronger grip necessarilly add size to the forearms?
> >> >>> I
> >> >>> read sometime back it won't. If a person is wanting larger forearms
> >> >>> wouldn't over and under wrist curls, zotman curls, and reverse curls
> >> >>> be
> >> >>> more effective than pinch gripping or squeezing an ironman gripper?
>
> >> >> It's like any other muscle. You can train it to increase strength
> >> >> without
> >> >> increasing size, by improving recruitment, but that will only get you
> >> >> so
> >> >> far. If you want to increase strength substantially, you need to
> >> >> increase
> >> >> the amount of muscle.
>
> >> > So your saying that squeezing a gripper will add forearm size?
>
> >> If you had a hard enough one, and squeezed it enough, sure. Are you
> >> saying
> >> it won't?
>
> >> tom
>
> >> --
> >> william gibson said that the future has already happened, it just isn't
> >> evenly distributed. he was talking specifically about finsbury park. --
> >> andy
>
> > I use ironman grippers as part of my regular exercise routine. They
> > add some size to your forearm, but for me they add more definition.
> > Plus it's fun to shake hands with someone you don't like. I do one set
> > for 2 minutes (about 80 repetitions) with 150 lbs.
>
> Which ones do you use? Trainer? or 1s through 4s?



I wasn't sure what I wanted to train with so I first bought the whole
set 100-350. I started with the 100's and I'm now working with the
150's. Every now and then I'll try to squeeze the 350. I can't close
it yet.

On Thu, 6 Mar 2008, Andrzej Rosa wrote:

> Dnia 2008-03-05 Homer Simpson napisa?(a):
>>
>> "Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
>>>>
>>>> So your saying that squeezing a gripper will add forearm size?
>>>
>>> If you had a hard enough one, and squeezed it enough, sure. Are you saying
>>> it won't?
>>
>> No...I am asking. I have read that building grip does not necessarilly build
>> forearms.
>
> http://www.heavygrips.com/images2/MMtorsoshot.jpg
>
> Grippers build mostly wrist flextors, which would be those meaty hanging
> parts in the photo above. But this guy also has good wrist extensors,
> which grippers do not build much.
>
>> And that building forearms doesn't necessarilly make grip
>> stronger. I don't know. I am asking for opinions.
>
> That seems to be true. Grip strength is mostly isometric, which tend to
> be angle-specific.

Yeah, this occurred to me after posting that. Or rather, i was thinking
that a gripper probably works a smaller ROM than, say, a wrist curl (could
be completely wrong there though!), in which case it probably isn't as
effective at building mass. But you're right, it's kind of an isometric
thing, and isometric exercises are poor at building muscle (unless you're
Charles Atlas, of course).

tom

--
Safety not guaranteed. I have only done this once before.

Dnia 2008-03-06 Tom Anderson napisa³(a):
> On Thu, 6 Mar 2008, Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>
>> Dnia 2008-03-05 Homer Simpson napisa?(a):
>>>
>>> "Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>> So your saying that squeezing a gripper will add forearm size?
>>>>
>>>> If you had a hard enough one, and squeezed it enough, sure. Are you saying
>>>> it won't?
>>>
>>> No...I am asking. I have read that building grip does not necessarilly build
>>> forearms.
>>
>> http://www.heavygrips.com/images2/MMtorsoshot.jpg
>>
>> Grippers build mostly wrist flextors, which would be those meaty hanging
>> parts in the photo above. But this guy also has good wrist extensors,
>> which grippers do not build much.
>>
>>> And that building forearms doesn't necessarilly make grip
>>> stronger. I don't know. I am asking for opinions.
>>
>> That seems to be true. Grip strength is mostly isometric, which tend to
>> be angle-specific.
>
> Yeah, this occurred to me after posting that. Or rather, i was thinking
> that a gripper probably works a smaller ROM than, say, a wrist curl (could
> be completely wrong there though!),

I doubt that range of motion is what matters here. Hand is quite a
complicated device, so probably we simply use our muscles differently
when we squeeze something, when we lift something and especially when we
do wrist curls.

When I wrote that grip training is highly specific I meant that you can
train your crushing grip to a high degree but still lose you deadlifts.
Or you can train your pinching grip but not be able to close a heavy
gripper. Or you can do both, but can't do towel pullups well, and so
on. In every case like that we use roughly the same muscles, but not
exactly the same. Also in most case we simply grip the device in an
literally isometric way, but slightly different every time, so the
transfer of strength from one feat to another is poor.

> in which case it probably isn't as
> effective at building mass. But you're right, it's kind of an isometric
> thing, and isometric exercises are poor at building muscle (unless you're
> Charles Atlas, of course).

Those grip training guys often have some seriously meaty paws, though.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

I disagree with just about everyone who has posted here at this topic.
I personally think that there is NO amount of forarm/Hand training
that you can do that will set you back.. Big hand and forearm training
fan here (And every God Damn every other muscle) Some people say that
it is easy to overtrain the hand and forearm.. i say take a look at
your life and what you are doing.. are you nervous alot? that will
kill hand/forearm training right there! do you work in a high stress
environment? That will KILL your forearm developement. Hand/Forearm
Trianing is one of the most direct, closest connected to the heart
areas of your body there is, which is most closely connected to your
health and lifestle.

Alot of people dont know this but the "little" muscles like abs and
foramarms will suffer alot if you live a high stress life.


When you you fail.. When your body gets used to a routine.. when you
cap off.. That actualy means your nervous system gets used to what you
are doing and says "Fuck this!".

This is still a really little known, but important part of
bodybuilding. Most people live lives that are really extensive on
their nervous systems. EG.. Most pople are neurotic.. and it is very
hard on their nervous system.. WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF
BOBY BUILDING, THOUGH IT IS THE MOST FRAGILE, AND UNKNOWN!!!!!!

You know that even if you dont lift weights and go out there into the
world, and get nervous, it is a shock to your nervous system..

Most people are totally neurotic.. filled with fear, to put it
crudely.. their nervous systems takes a big shock.. they dont
understand that their nervous sysem is mostly mental.. and not
physical.. Thats why you see so many neurotic people that are weak,
physically.. And most people are VERY neurotic.

And as weightlifters, we dont think about this.. Most of us just
think we are bad-asses and go about it crudely... And belive me, ive
been there before.. I used to be a minor/moderate powerlifter.. I used
to squat 285, bench pressed 175 and deadlifted 275.. and that was
taking it easy. And im 175.. I take it all out and go gung ho. And
BELIVE ME I AM WELL CENTERED BETWEEN BEING A BIG ASS POWER LIFTER AND
A P*SSY ASS RUNNER/MARTIAL ARTIST.. IVE BEEN ON BOTH SIDES OF THE
TALE. I REALLY HAVE.. THAT AINT NO JOKE. I COULD PROBABLY SLAM 95% Of
YOU SO CALLED POWER LIFETERS INTO YOU GASPING FOR BREATH AND WISHING
YOU NEVER EVEN STARTED WEIGHTINFTING. I AINT NO FAGGY "BOTTOM" ASS
RUNNER ALONE.

But i see seveal power lifters, some that are less neuotic than
others... and the less nerotic ones are ALWAYS stronger.. Does anybody
agree with me on this???

I think the nervous system is the next fronteir in body building.. It
can be weak by daily circumstances, And 99.9 Percen of the time t is
bombarded by crazy thoughts/influences from our daily lives.. or it
can be totally healthy.. but i think that is the next undiscovered
fronteir of bobybuilding.. and i also this it is a bastard of a thng
for people to understand right now..

<upnrunning@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Mar 5, 1:58 pm, "Homer Simpson" <homersimp...@springfield.com>
> wrote:
>> <upnrunn...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:0d5d62b4-2a14-4e8c-b057-c88ff01cf090@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Mar 5, 4:24 am, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:
>> >> > "Tom Anderson" <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
>> >> >news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803041457380.28188@urchin.ear th.li...
>> >> >> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:
>>
>> >> >>> "Tom Anderson" <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
>> >> >>>news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803032315570.13559@urchin.e arth.li...
>> >> >>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, sam0101...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> >> >>>>> I was wondering what you guys were doing about grip strength
>> >> >>>>> about
>> >> >>>>> anything..
>>
>> >> >>>>> IMHO its a very overlooked muscle because you use it to pick up
>> >> >>>>> ALL
>> >> >>>>> YOUR
>> >> >>>>> DAMN WEIGHTS.
>>
>> >> >>>> If you're successfully picking up all your weights with it, i
>> >> >>>> would
>> >> >>>> say
>> >> >>>> it's strong enough. What advantage does an even stronger grip
>> >> >>>> give
>> >> >>>> you?
>> >> >>>> If
>> >> >>>> you have a functional need for it, like martial arts or arm
>> >> >>>> wrestling or
>> >> >>>> sailing or something, then sure, go for it. Or if you're after
>> >> >>>> the
>> >> >>>> Popeye
>> >> >>>> look. But if you want strength in the big lifts and a
>> >> >>>> conventionally
>> >> >>>> muscular body, what's the point of getting all worked up over
>> >> >>>> grip?
>>
>> >> >>> Does building a stronger grip necessarilly add size to the
>> >> >>> forearms?
>> >> >>> I
>> >> >>> read sometime back it won't. If a person is wanting larger
>> >> >>> forearms
>> >> >>> wouldn't over and under wrist curls, zotman curls, and reverse
>> >> >>> curls
>> >> >>> be
>> >> >>> more effective than pinch gripping or squeezing an ironman
>> >> >>> gripper?
>>
>> >> >> It's like any other muscle. You can train it to increase strength
>> >> >> without
>> >> >> increasing size, by improving recruitment, but that will only get
>> >> >> you
>> >> >> so
>> >> >> far. If you want to increase strength substantially, you need to
>> >> >> increase
>> >> >> the amount of muscle.
>>
>> >> > So your saying that squeezing a gripper will add forearm size?
>>
>> >> If you had a hard enough one, and squeezed it enough, sure. Are you
>> >> saying
>> >> it won't?
>>
>> >> tom
>>
>> >> --
>> >> william gibson said that the future has already happened, it just
>> >> isn't
>> >> evenly distributed. he was talking specifically about finsbury
>> >> park. --
>> >> andy
>>
>> > I use ironman grippers as part of my regular exercise routine. They
>> > add some size to your forearm, but for me they add more definition.
>> > Plus it's fun to shake hands with someone you don't like. I do one set
>> > for 2 minutes (about 80 repetitions) with 150 lbs.
>>
>> Which ones do you use? Trainer? or 1s through 4s?
>
>
>
> I wasn't sure what I wanted to train with so I first bought the whole
> set 100-350. I started with the 100's and I'm now working with the
> 150's. Every now and then I'll try to squeeze the 350. I can't close
> it yet.
Closing the 100s is more impressive than most people think. I was able to
pull a 445 pound deadlift in competition with no grip issues. But I was
barely able to squeeze the trainer Ironmind Gripper. Now my hands are
becoming arthritic and I am having gripping issues. I have been thinking
about taking up some kind of grip training.

Dnia 2008-03-06 sam0101456@gmail.com napisa³(a):
[...]
> fan here (And every God Damn every other muscle) Some people say that
> it is easy to overtrain the hand and forearm..

Well, not literally, but if you do too much forearm training you will
injure yourself. It's a given.

> i say take a look at
> your life and what you are doing.. are you nervous alot? that will
> kill hand/forearm training right there! do you work in a high stress
> environment? That will KILL your forearm developement.

You won't get into systemic over training syndrome (OTS) by overusing
such small part of your body, but it still is possible (and actually
relatively easy) to overuse this body part.

[...]
> This is still a really little known, but important part of
> bodybuilding. Most people live lives that are really extensive on
> their nervous systems. EG.. Most pople are neurotic.. and it is very
> hard on their nervous system.. WHICH IS THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF
> BOBY BUILDING, THOUGH IT IS THE MOST FRAGILE, AND UNKNOWN!!!!!!

I probably agree with you.

> You know that even if you dont lift weights and go out there into the
> world, and get nervous, it is a shock to your nervous system..
>
> Most people are totally neurotic.. filled with fear, to put it
> crudely.. their nervous systems takes a big shock.. they dont
> understand that their nervous sysem is mostly mental.. and not
> physical.. Thats why you see so many neurotic people that are weak,
> physically.. And most people are VERY neurotic.

Man, if you happen to have issues, you can't do shit about it. Right
amount of training helps, but you can't simply talk yourself out of your
mental state. People often make an assumption that our attitude toward
"life, universe and everything" is totally voluntary, and a matter of
choice. It isn't. And most people are not "neurotic". Most people are
normal (by definition) and some minority may be "neurotic".

Anyway, you are right that our training and mental state are connected.
It's possible to influence one with the other.

[...]
> But i see seveal power lifters, some that are less neuotic than
> others... and the less nerotic ones are ALWAYS stronger.. Does anybody
> agree with me on this???

Top dogs are often mild mannered. It's hard to tell if mild manners
help them become top dogs or if being top dog makes you feel good about
yourself. Probably both.

> I think the nervous system is the next fronteir in body building.. It
> can be weak by daily circumstances, And 99.9 Percen of the time t is
> bombarded by crazy thoughts/influences from our daily lives.. or it
> can be totally healthy.. but i think that is the next undiscovered
> fronteir of bobybuilding.. and i also this it is a bastard of a thng
> for people to understand right now..

It's not undiscovered. People in sports are rather aware that if you
become moody you probably over stress yourself, either with training
or life. Actually people in sports understand those issues way better
than your average shrink, who probably has a very limited understanding
of this.

Right amount of training makes one feel better. Too much and too little
have negative effect, which can be felt rather viciously if you happen
to be maniacally depressive, like I am.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

On Mar 6, 3:55 pm, "Homer Simpson" <homersimp...@springfield.com>
wrote:
> <upnrunn...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
> news:0b1a30d1-2a46-4554-88d9-42b5f60e662e@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Mar 5, 1:58 pm, "Homer Simpson" <homersimp...@springfield.com>
> > wrote:
> >> <upnrunn...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>
> >>news:0d5d62b4-2a14-4e8c-b057-c88ff01cf090@i7g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> > On Mar 5, 4:24 am, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 4 Mar 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:
> >> >> > "Tom Anderson" <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
> >> >> >news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803041457380.28188@urchin.ear th.li...
> >> >> >> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, Homer Simpson wrote:
>
> >> >> >>> "Tom Anderson" <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0803032315570.13559@urchin.e arth.li...
> >> >> >>>> On Mon, 3 Mar 2008, sam0101...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >> >> >>>>> I was wondering what you guys were doing about grip strength
> >> >> >>>>> about
> >> >> >>>>> anything..
>
> >> >> >>>>> IMHO its a very overlooked muscle because you use it to pick up
> >> >> >>>>> ALL
> >> >> >>>>> YOUR
> >> >> >>>>> DAMN WEIGHTS.
>
> >> >> >>>> If you're successfully picking up all your weights with it, i
> >> >> >>>> would
> >> >> >>>> say
> >> >> >>>> it's strong enough. What advantage does an even stronger grip
> >> >> >>>> give
> >> >> >>>> you?
> >> >> >>>> If
> >> >> >>>> you have a functional need for it, like martial arts or arm
> >> >> >>>> wrestling or
> >> >> >>>> sailing or something, then sure, go for it. Or if you're after
> >> >> >>>> the
> >> >> >>>> Popeye
> >> >> >>>> look. But if you want strength in the big lifts and a
> >> >> >>>> conventionally
> >> >> >>>> muscular body, what's the point of getting all worked up over
> >> >> >>>> grip?
>
> >> >> >>> Does building a stronger grip necessarilly add size to the
> >> >> >>> forearms?
> >> >> >>> I
> >> >> >>> read sometime back it won't. If a person is wanting larger
> >> >> >>> forearms
> >> >> >>> wouldn't over and under wrist curls, zotman curls, and reverse
> >> >> >>> curls
> >> >> >>> be
> >> >> >>> more effective than pinch gripping or squeezing an ironman
> >> >> >>> gripper?
>
> >> >> >> It's like any other muscle. You can train it to increase strength
> >> >> >> without
> >> >> >> increasing size, by improving recruitment, but that will only get
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> so
> >> >> >> far. If you want to increase strength substantially, you need to
> >> >> >> increase
> >> >> >> the amount of muscle.
>
> >> >> > So your saying that squeezing a gripper will add forearm size?
>
> >> >> If you had a hard enough one, and squeezed it enough, sure. Are you
> >> >> saying
> >> >> it won't?
>
> >> >> tom
>
> >> >> --
> >> >> william gibson said that the future has already happened, it just
> >> >> isn't
> >> >> evenly distributed. he was talking specifically about finsbury
> >> >> park. --
> >> >> andy
>
> >> > I use ironman grippers as part of my regular exercise routine. They
> >> > add some size to your forearm, but for me they add more definition.
> >> > Plus it's fun to shake hands with someone you don't like. I do one set
> >> > for 2 minutes (about 80 repetitions) with 150 lbs.
>
> >> Which ones do you use? Trainer? or 1s through 4s?
>
> > I wasn't sure what I wanted to train with so I first bought the whole
> > set 100-350. I started with the 100's and I'm now working with the
> > 150's. Every now and then I'll try to squeeze the 350. I can't close
> > it yet.
>
> Closing the 100s is more impressive than most people think. I was able to
> pull a 445 pound deadlift in competition with no grip issues. But I was
> barely able to squeeze the trainer Ironmind Gripper. Now my hands are
> becoming arthritic and I am having gripping issues. I have been thinking
> about taking up some kind of grip training.


I have done wrist curls, and rolling up a weight with a broom stick. I
once belonged to a gym that had a machine designed for rolling weight
up and down. Both of those exercises work the forearm but I prefer
grippers for developing functional muscle. Having a strong grip is an
attribute as a machinist. I have always designed exercise routines
around how they make me feel or to improve performance in sports
activities. Of all forearm exercises grippers just feel the best for
me.