genesis to combat steroid effects

if you guys are taking steroids, i would recommend drinking this
stuff:
www.symmetrydirect.com/ASCHNEPP
Genesis is a dietary supplement that is all natural and has some
amazing things for people who have severely damaged their bodies
through harsh usage. Through a lot of science, but mainly the miracle
molecule resveratrol and the powerful polyphenolic anthrolpalexins
(most potent plant antioxidants), this great tasting supplement juice
fights the free radicals in the body and helps to slow the body's
aging process. Harvard studies have shown resveratrol's power to
actually shrink tumors, and prevent cancer. Click on the "buy at
30-60% discount" button to become a preferred member and start saving
right away. Find out why we have over a 90 % return customer base!
Don't let those bodies that you take care of so much go to waste. The
science speaks for itself, and has been featured in Time, Men's
Health, US News, and Fortune, to name a few.

"ash" <ashsnap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179886534.857547.144540@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> if you guys are fucking little boys, i would recommend drinking this
> stuff:
> www.symmetrydirect.com/ieatdogassforfun
> Genesis is a dietary supplement that is all natural and has some
> amazing things for people who have severely damaged their bodies
> through shoving large butt plugs into their anus'. Through a lot of
> science, but mainly the miracle
> molecule resveratrol and the powerful polyphenolic anthrolpalexins
> (most potent plant antioxidants), this great tasting supplement juice
> fights the free radicals in the body and helps to slow the body's
> anal gaping process. Harvard studies have shown that shoving a baseball
> bat up one's anus 10x/day can
> actually shrink tumors, and prevent cancer. Click on the "buy at
> 30-60% discount" button to become a preferred member and start saving
> right away. Find out why we have over a 90 % rectum customer base!
> Don't let those bodies that you take care of so much go to waste. The
> science speaks for itself, and has been featured in Time, Men's
> Health, US News, and Fortune, to name a few. We fully gaurantee that if
> you drink John Holmes' cum
>and shove a Louisville Slugger up your anus a few times/day, that you will
>be able to SPAM your snake oil
>just like we do!!!!
>

Now this is some SPAM we can live with!!

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

ahh, so wit is supposed to be your forte...leave it to someone else.
Have anything else to do? I already removed my post, seeing as how I
was trying to help like- minded people, and you took offense and
emailed me with hate mail. Suppose you need to have your fun, and
spread your vitriol. Oh, and I like how you have a problem with spam,
but you advertise your little drums at the end of each of your posts.
And, as someone who has been involved with many different
weightlifting professionals and programs (such as Bigger, Faster,
Stronger), and having grown up in college athletic training rooms, not
all of your advice is that great. So have your sophomoric fun, and
say vulgar things about a young southern lady. I appreciate it a
great deal. Have a great day, and I hope you feel better about
yourself when you look in the mirror.

"ash" <ashsnap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179944457.229127.77150@p47g2000hsd.googlegro ups.com...
> ahh, so wit is supposed to be your forte...leave it to someone else.
> Have anything else to do? I already removed my post, seeing as how I
> was trying to help like- minded people, and you took offense and
> emailed me with hate mail. Suppose you need to have your fun, and
> spread your vitriol. Oh, and I like how you have a problem with spam,
> but you advertise your little drums at the end of each of your posts.

How is my drum business REMOTELY related to this newsgroup? I suggest you
stop trying to rationalize your SPAM.


> And, as someone who has been involved with many different
> weightlifting professionals and programs (such as Bigger, Faster,
> Stronger), and having grown up in college athletic training rooms, not
> all of your advice is that great.


Really? Why not site something instead of just making some ubsubstantiated
comment? I have been invloved with weightlifting, bodybuilding and Nutrition
since the mid 70s and can spot snake oil like you are selling a mile away.
Why not address THAT issue?

So have your sophomoric fun, and
> say vulgar things about a young southern lady.


LOL! I love that you have to call my commentary "sophomoric" just because I
called you out for being a SPAMMER. PLEASE try to get some legitimate
material. I would also love to know why you think that you should be spared
anything because you are a female. That's very sexist on your part. You are
a SPAMMER. Your gender is moot.

I appreciate it a
> great deal. Have a great day, and I hope you feel better about
> yourself when you look in the mirror.
>

I feel fucking peachy when I look in the mirror. :-) You trying to sell a
bullshit product to hard working people is FAR more offensive than any
"words" I may use.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

"Hard Bop Drums" <nos...@hardbopdrums.com> <----- A fuckin faggot.

seeing as how you did not respond to any of my points, I will still
extend you the courtesy of responding to yours:

" How is my drum business REMOTELY related to this newsgroup? I
suggest you stop trying to rationalize your SPAM."

Yes, how are your drums related to this newsgroup??? Isn't the
definition of SPAM, "UNSOLICITED", "UNRELATED", material? You put a
link at the end of every one of your posts to your little site where
you sell drums. I had a link to a site (which, you may notice, I have
since removed, and NOT REPOSTED since you started your campaign
against me) which sold products that benefit people on this site...


" Really? Why not site something instead of just making some
ubsubstantiated comment? I have been invloved with weightlifting,
bodybuilding and Nutrition since the mid 70s and can spot snake oil
like you are selling a mile away. Why not address THAT issue?"

I think you meant "cite", but I'll go with it(and your other grammar
mistakes)...Go to this site:
http://bodybuilding.about.com/od/sup...ddangers_2.htm
> http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchRep...steroids4.html
Both sites explain some of the negative site effects that can come
about as a result of anabolic steroid use for performance
enhancement. My website contains plenty of third party scientific
studies, written up in various reputable medical journals as well as
recognizable news magazines about the main ingredients found in the so-
called "snake oil" I was attempting to share.

"LOL! I love that you have to call my commentary "sophomoric" just
because I called you out for being a SPAMMER. PLEASE try to get some
legitimate material. I would also love to know why you think that you
should be spared anything because you are a female. That's very
sexist on your part. You are
a SPAMMER. Your gender is moot."

I find it the height of hilarity that you think I call your commentary
sophomoric due to you calling me a spammer (see above for my feelings
on that). I called you that (and I apologize in advance to any mature
fraternity man out there) because your restructuring of my original
post was nothing more than poor frat house humor. Thanks to ThE ViRuS
for noticing, but you definitely have issues with homophobia,
considering all of the violent sodomy you felt the need to insert in
order to establish some sort of control. The reason I mentioned my
gender, sir, is because it is physically frightening for a 120 pound
female to be told those sort of violent things, and then be emailed
"fuck you" multiple times.

Again, I have removed the link to my site because it apparently
offended you--you've had your fun...but I think I've responded to your
points.

This is the typical response from an anonymous moron with a double digit IQ.
Come on pussy, post your real name.

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/


"ThE ViRuS" <sweet_rusky29@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1179971228.626870.30500@r19g2000prf.googlegro ups.com...
> "Hard Bop Drums" <nos...@hardbopdrums.com> <----- A fuckin faggot.
>
>

ash" <ashsnap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179982411.320761.163690@q66g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> seeing as how you did not respond to any of my points, I will still
> extend you the courtesy of responding to yours:
>
> " How is my drum business REMOTELY related to this newsgroup? I
> suggest you stop trying to rationalize your SPAM."
>
> Yes, how are your drums related to this newsgroup??? Isn't the
> definition of SPAM, "UNSOLICITED", "UNRELATED", material? You put a
> link at the end of every one of your posts to your little site where
> you sell drums. I had a link to a site (which, you may notice, I have
> since removed, and NOT REPOSTED since you started your campaign
> against me) which sold products that benefit people on this site...


Bullshit. Your snake oil benfited no one. My link is in a signature file and
NO ONE has called it SPAM before you did. Face it, you are peddling snake
oil, I am not.

>
>
> " Really? Why not site something instead of just making some
> ubsubstantiated comment? I have been invloved with weightlifting,
> bodybuilding and Nutrition since the mid 70s and can spot snake oil
> like you are selling a mile away. Why not address THAT issue?"
>
> I think you meant "cite", but I'll go with it(and your other grammar
> mistakes)...

PLEASE stop with the unsubstantiated bullshit. You can't attack my education
as I went to one of the finest Prep schools in the US and I have been
published in FAR more publications than you have. Back up your bullshit.


Go to this site:
> http://bodybuilding.about.com/od/sup...ddangers_2.htm
>> http://www.drugabuse.gov/ResearchRep...steroids4.html
> Both sites explain some of the negative site effects that can come
> about as a result of anabolic steroid use for performance
> enhancement.


Once AGAIN, what have I said that was false or incorrect? I have forgotten
more about anabolic steroids than you could ever know. Why do 3 different
Anti Aging clinics all with multiple MDs running them have me work with them
when consulting on the use of Anabolic Steroids and Growth Hormone? BTW,
PLEASE learn how to read. Neither of your links negate a single thing I have
ever stated about Anabolic Steroids. The FACTS are that you know nothing
about Anabolic steroids, so you act like a typical Lemming and swallow what
the media feeds you like a typical carp in a pond. So you think Anabolic
Steroids are so awful? NO ONE has ever died from using them. Why not look up
how many people die every year from Aspirin, over the counter potassium
supplements or bicycles? You will find FAR more people are dead or mamed
because of them. Where if your outrage now?

My website contains plenty of third party scientific
> studies, written up in various reputable medical journals as well as
> recognizable news magazines about the main ingredients found in the so-
> called "snake oil" I was attempting to share.
>

Sure it does. I have some great swamp land for sale too. The FACT is that
you came into this newsgroup with ZERO knowledge of Anabolic steroids and
then you SPAMMED the group with your bullshit thinking that people here had
health problems from using Anabolic steroids.


> "LOL! I love that you have to call my commentary "sophomoric" just
> because I called you out for being a SPAMMER. PLEASE try to get some
> legitimate material. I would also love to know why you think that you
> should be spared anything because you are a female. That's very
> sexist on your part. You are
> a SPAMMER. Your gender is moot."
>
> I find it the height of hilarity that you think I call your commentary
> sophomoric due to you calling me a spammer (see above for my feelings
> on that). I called you that (and I apologize in advance to any mature
> fraternity man out there) because your restructuring of my original
> post was nothing more than poor frat house humor.


Frat house? Grow up.

Thanks to ThE ViRuS
> for noticing,


GREAT source there Sweety. Why would you listen to ANYTHING that an
anonymous bigot has to say?


but you definitely have issues with homophobia,

What is wrong with me being against bigotry of ANY kind? Why would you even
bring this up? I take it that you are against gay people? Why not just stoop
to the level of your buddy "virus" can call me a "faggot?"


> considering all of the violent sodomy you felt the need to insert in
> order to establish some sort of control.

This has to be one of THE most ludicrous things that I have ever read.

The reason I mentioned my
> gender, sir, is because it is physically frightening for a 120 pound
> female to be told those sort of violent things, and then be emailed
> "fuck you" multiple times.


Grow up and quit acting like a victim. The only thing that you are a victim
of is ignorance.

>
> Again, I have removed the link to my site because it apparently
> offended you--you've had your fun...but I think I've responded to your
> points.
>

You have not responded to shit. All you have done so far is show that you
know NOTHING about the topic that you started, you quote anonymous bigots
and you are yourself a homophobic bigot. Is this why you found the need to
point out that you are from the south? Do you think it is OK to be a bigot
because of the LONG history of tolerance the south has?


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

again, you are just making me laugh...yes, i'd like to buy some of
your swamp land along with your drum casings...not that it's any of
your business, but my girlfriend is hotter than anything that you
could ever get, so I love that you think I'm the homophobic one, and
yes, I do believe that all your references to sodomy in an attempt to
ridicule my original post indicate a homophobic mindset (read some
Judith Butler)...I never assumed anyone had any health problems
because of anabolic steroids--to claim that there aren't any are
ridiculous, however--i'm not going to sit here and get into a pissing
contest over studies (we've already established I don't have a penis)--
as soon as one medical study is published, another one is done that is
slightly different, that one can twist to say whatever one wants. I
never claimed you were an idiot when it came to nutritional matters--
just that your sense of humor was classless and scary--despite your
claims of enlightenment. If you want to argue, this can go on
forever. This is why the the field of exercise science is always
changing--even theories on things as basic as stretching and hydration
during workouts are cyclical. I haven't found harmful studies done on
resveratrol, however. Again, do you see a link to my page at
all? ...and yet the hard bob drums keep on playin...

Just to clear things up--I would not insult gay men and call you a
derogatory name for one, I was just saying that your language implied
you had issues with homophobia...your calling Virus a "pussy"
reinforces my claims that you have issues with sexist language and
homophobia...as far as telling me to "learn how to read"--once again,
you have missed the point (I'm not going to mix metaphors like your
lemming/carp debacle). Those articles were because you asked me to
"site" something about the negative effects of steroids--not in order
to "trap" you--you're the one trying to fight--I'm putting it in
neutral territory. As for schooling, any community college teaches
spell and grammar check, not to mention subject-verb agreement.
Perhaps the money you spent on your high quality education was wasted.

In news:1179987168.651209.260580@q66g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com,
ash <ashsnap@yahoo.com> typed:
> Just to clear things up--I would not insult gay men and call you a
> derogatory name for one, I was just saying that your language implied
> you had issues with homophobia...your calling Virus a "pussy"
> reinforces my claims that you have issues with sexist language and
> homophobia...as far as telling me to "learn how to read"--once again,
> you have missed the point (I'm not going to mix metaphors like your
> lemming/carp debacle). Those articles were because you asked me to
> "site" something about the negative effects of steroids--not in order
> to "trap" you--you're the one trying to fight--I'm putting it in
> neutral territory. As for schooling, any community college teaches
> spell and grammar check, not to mention subject-verb agreement.
> Perhaps the money you spent on your high quality education was wasted.

Unlike your good self, who presumably wasted no money at all on an
education?

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

On Thu, 24 May 2007 08:20:46 +0100, "Bully"
<bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

>In news:1179987168.651209.260580@q66g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com,
>ash <ashsnap@yahoo.com> typed:
>> Just to clear things up--I would not insult gay men and call you a
>> derogatory name for one, I was just saying that your language implied
>> you had issues with homophobia...your calling Virus a "pussy"
>> reinforces my claims that you have issues with sexist language and
>> homophobia...as far as telling me to "learn how to read"--once again,
>> you have missed the point (I'm not going to mix metaphors like your
>> lemming/carp debacle). Those articles were because you asked me to
>> "site" something about the negative effects of steroids--not in order
>> to "trap" you--you're the one trying to fight--I'm putting it in
>> neutral territory. As for schooling, any community college teaches
>> spell and grammar check, not to mention subject-verb agreement.
>> Perhaps the money you spent on your high quality education was wasted.
>
>Unlike your good self, who presumably wasted no money at all on an
>education?

Which implies that it was money well spent!

You obviously didn't mean to convey that, but then your own academic
skills are at best somewhat mediocre.

ash" <ashsnap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179986405.614693.260650@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> again, you are just making me laugh...yes, i'd like to buy some of
> your swamp land along with your drum casings...not that it's any of
> your business,

I have never sold a drum casing in my life, so why are you completely
incapable of posting a fact?



but my girlfriend is hotter than anything that you
> could ever get,

You really need to get some new material. All you have shown so far is that
you can make ill informed comments about people while at the same time try
to make yourself out to be someone whom is beyond reproach. I really don't
care about your nor your "girlfriend," but seeing that I am a known entity
and there is NOTHING out there to back up your claims, I must asume you are
full of shit.

so I love that you think I'm the homophobic one, and
> yes, I do believe that all your references to sodomy in an attempt to
> ridicule my original post indicate a homophobic mindset (read some
> Judith Butler)...I never assumed anyone had any health problems
> because of anabolic steroids

Who do you know whom has had health problems due to using anabolic steroids?
Could this be more libelous claims made against me? All I do is ask for
facts and all you do is post bullshit.

--to claim that there aren't any are
> ridiculous, however--i'm not going to sit here and get into a pissing
> contest over studies (we've already established I don't have a penis)--

PLEASE stop acting like the poor little wounded female and back up your ill
informed allegations. I know the facts. I have debated morons like you on
National talk shows.


> as soon as one medical study is published, another one is done that is
> slightly different, that one can twist to say whatever one wants. I
> never claimed you were an idiot when it came to nutritional matters--
> just that your sense of humor was classless and scary--despite your
> claims of enlightenment.


Thank you. People like you also said the same things about Lenny Bruce, Sam
Kinison, George Carlin and Jim Norton. I am not putting myself in their
class, but I do take that as a compliment.

If you want to argue, this can go on
> forever. This is why the the field of exercise science is always
> changing--even theories on things as basic as stretching and hydration
> during workouts are cyclical. I haven't found harmful studies done on
> resveratrol, however. Again, do you see a link to my page at
> all? ...and yet the hard bob drums keep on playin...
>

Throwing in the towel is your best plan of action. Remember, you came into a
public forum and started up bullshit that you claimed that there were all
sorts of people with health problems due to the use of Anabolic Steroids and
that you had some MLM bullshit to sell to them. After that, all you did was
try to attack me using libelous bullshit that you pulled out of your ass
thinking that I could be pigeon holed like the slack jawed locals you deal
with in the south. Time to butch up a bit and get your house in order before
you think that you can bullshit your way around here.


--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

On Thu, 24 May 2007 03:39:10 -0700, "Hard Bop Drums"
<nospam@hardbopdrums.com> wrote:

>ash" <ashsnap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:1179986405.614693.260650@q75g2000hsh.googleg roups.com...
>> again, you are just making me laugh...yes, i'd like to buy some of
>> your swamp land along with your drum casings...not that it's any of
>> your business,
>
>I have never sold a drum casing in my life, so why are you completely
>incapable of posting a fact?
>
>
[...]

>
>Who do you know whom has had health problems due to using anabolic steroids?
>Could this be more libelous claims made against me? All I do is ask for
>facts and all you do is post bullshit.

You may have meant:

Whom do you know who has had health problems...

HTH! ;o)

"ash" <ashsnap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1179987168.651209.260580@q66g2000hsg.googlegr oups.com...
> Just to clear things up--I would not insult gay men and call you a
> derogatory name for one, I was just saying that your language implied
> you had issues with homophobia...


All you had to do was a 2 second Google search to find out that I fucking
HATE bigotry of any kind more than 99.999% of the people out there. Thinking
that you can post libelous bullshit about me because of your lack of
education is your fault, not mine.

your calling Virus a "pussy"
> reinforces my claims that you have issues with sexist language and
> homophobia...


The term "pussy" is used all the time to refer to someone as a coward. It is
illinformed people like yourself who like to read all sorts of leftist
bullshit into it. I am THE last person whom you can logically call a
homophobe. You fucked up, now just admit it.

as far as telling me to "learn how to read"--once again,
> you have missed the point (I'm not going to mix metaphors like your
> lemming/carp debacle).


I'm SO sorry that you didn't appreciate that. Please find out what fish come
from the carp family and you may get the joke.

Those articles were because you asked me to
> "site" something about the negative effects of steroids--not in order
> to "trap" you--you're the one trying to fight--I'm putting it in
> neutral territory. As for schooling, any community college teaches
> spell and grammar check, not to mention subject-verb agreement.
> Perhaps the money you spent on your high quality education was wasted.
>
>

LOL! I just LOVE how you pretend to take the high road, but so far all I
have seen from you has been libel and innuendo. I never went to a community
college and had a scholarship to Stanford has I chosen to go into medicine
rather than music, so please get some new material. I also see that you
completely ignored my challenge to look into how many people die from
aspirin compared to steroids. Why are you not posting links to an MLM
product that will save the lives of the people who die every year from
aspirin or bicycle accidents? Their numbers dwarf those who die every year
from using Anabolic Steroids or GH. Do you even understand what Anabolic
steroids are and how they work? Do you understand that 99% of the MDs out
there get ZERO training using Anabolic Steroids? Do you know how much AS
have helped HIV and AIDS patients? If AS were that horribly toxic, would
they be making the lives of those patients better? All I ask is that you
don't blindly listen to the media and all of it's bullshit. I have to cringe
on an almost daily basis when I listen to some sports talk who moron rail on
and on about how so many of these athletes have caused irreparable damage to
their bodies. Where are the names? More importantly, WHERE ARE THE BODIES?
Do you know how horribly most pro bodybuilders abuse the living shit out of
AS and are still around to talk about it? Even the ones who died, did so
because of other things. Look into the death of Andreas Munzer or Mohamed
Benazziza. When you see what was in Munzer's body, you will freak! AS were
the least of his problems. :-) I would also LOVE to know how you pulled out
of your ass that my personal use of AS had ANYTHING to do with my renal
disease. I just put up a post here a few days ago that went into specific
detail about the issue. Do your homework. Don't listen to anonymous trolls.

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

In article <1179886534.857547.144540@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups .com>, ash
<ashsnap@yahoo.com> wrote:

> if you guys are taking steroids, i would recommend drinking this
> stuff:
> www.symmetrydirect.com/ASCHNEPP
> Genesis is a dietary supplement that is all natural and has some
> amazing things for people who have severely damaged their bodies
> through harsh usage. Through a lot of science,

Really? A whole bunch? Show me the study where resveratrol was used to
treat and or prevent the side effects of AAS in vivo.


Silly Spam snipped.

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

Well, Mr. Brink put my message back up...I was trying to remove
it...you can do a google search and see the various clinical studies
that have been published on the benefits on resveratrol and the
polyphenolic anthropalexins (most potent plant antioxidants, found in
pomegranates). Most recently, a Los Angeles study gave pomegranate
juice to prostate cancer patients during treatment. Their PSA level
(which measures the aggressiveness of the cancer) doubling times were
reduced almost fourfold, which is unheard of, indicating that
pomegranate juice can inhibit the progression and growth of active
prostate cancer (Clin Cancer Res 06;12(13):4018-4026). Anabolic
steroid use can enlarge the prostate, which can lead to prostate
cancer, among other issues. You can also look up (I don't want to
come across as a "snake oil" salesperson, once again, since I can't
delete someone else's post, ellagic acid. This is one of the most
potent detoxifiers of the body's cells and a strong deterrent for
specific cellular disease. It is a powerful antioxidant that works
against free radical damage. Check out those ingredients for
yourself; I'll let you research and tell me what you think.


....And Hard Bop Drums...you claim to be such an intelligent guy, and
so well-versed in the fields of nutrition and medicine, yet you
actually advocate the usage of ephedrine and caffeine before a
workout?!? <you do so in another post> Good call, buddy, good call
(and since you missed the sarcasm, all of the obvious misogyny
dripping in calling someone a derogatory term for the female genitals,
and most, if not all of my points I have made, I should probably not
point out the irony of you not wanting people to drink an all-natural
supplement that has no proven ill effects, but you, in all your
medical wisdom, point others to a substance that has been linked to
over a hundred deaths!).

You know what, sometimes people can do extremely damaging things to
their bodies and be lucky--nothing happens. To claim that the people
on this message board are using anabolic steroids because of the
benefits they have shown to HIV and AIDS patients is laughable. I'm
not blindly listening to anything the media tells me, and I never
claimed that your renal disease had anything to do with your AS usage
(paranoid much--where did I say that?!). My experience with athletes
tells me that people are going to do what they want with their bodies,
especially ones who have a desire to be the best--have you heard me
tell anyone to cease using anything? Once again, you seem to be
jumping to a lot of conclusions....

In news:1180024940.419565.279610@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com,
ash <ashsnap@yahoo.com> typed:
> Well, Mr. Brink put my message back up...I was trying to remove
> it...you can do a google search and see the various clinical studies
> that have been published on the benefits on resveratrol and the
> polyphenolic anthropalexins (most potent plant antioxidants, found in
> pomegranates). Most recently, a Los Angeles study gave pomegranate
> juice to prostate cancer patients during treatment. Their PSA level
> (which measures the aggressiveness of the cancer) doubling times were
> reduced almost fourfold, which is unheard of, indicating that
> pomegranate juice can inhibit the progression and growth of active
> prostate cancer (Clin Cancer Res 06;12(13):4018-4026). Anabolic
> steroid use can enlarge the prostate, which can lead to prostate
> cancer, among other issues. You can also look up (I don't want to
> come across as a "snake oil" salesperson, once again, since I can't
> delete someone else's post, ellagic acid. This is one of the most
> potent detoxifiers of the body's cells and a strong deterrent for
> specific cellular disease. It is a powerful antioxidant that works
> against free radical damage. Check out those ingredients for
> yourself; I'll let you research and tell me what you think.

Why don't you post links to the research here?

>
>
> ...And Hard Bop Drums...you claim to be such an intelligent guy, and
> so well-versed in the fields of nutrition and medicine, yet you
> actually advocate the usage of ephedrine and caffeine before a
> workout?!? <you do so in another post> Good call, buddy, good call
> (and since you missed the sarcasm, all of the obvious misogyny
> dripping in calling someone a derogatory term for the female genitals,
> and most, if not all of my points I have made, I should probably not
> point out the irony of you not wanting people to drink an all-natural
> supplement that has no proven ill effects, but you, in all your
> medical wisdom, point others to a substance that has been linked to
> over a hundred deaths!).



--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

In article <1180024940.419565.279610@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups .com>, ash
<ashsnap@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Well, Mr. Brink put my message back up...I was trying to remove
> it...you can do a google search and see the various clinical studies
> that have been published on the benefits on resveratrol and the
> polyphenolic anthropalexins (most potent plant antioxidants, found in
> pomegranates).

That's not what I asked you. I have read the studies, and there are
exactly zero studies on this compound looking at combating AAS side
effects.

> Most recently, a Los Angeles study gave pomegranate
> juice to prostate cancer patients during treatment. Their PSA level
> (which measures the aggressiveness of the cancer) doubling times were
> reduced almost fourfold, which is unheard of, indicating that
> pomegranate juice can inhibit the progression and growth of active
> prostate cancer (Clin Cancer Res 06;12(13):4018-4026). Anabolic
> steroid use can enlarge the prostate, which can lead to prostate
> cancer, among other issues.

Attemping a simple A + B = C is at best wishful thinking. It's also not
good science. Associations between AAS and prostate cancer are far from
clear, and there is exactly zero data (as mentioned) pomagranate will help
with any AAS side effects, and I take pomagranite caps every day myself.


> You can also look up (I don't want to
> come across as a "snake oil" salesperson, once again, since I can't
> delete someone else's post, ellagic acid. This is one of the most
> potent detoxifiers of the body's cells and a strong deterrent for
> specific cellular disease. It is a powerful antioxidant that works
> against free radical damage. Check out those ingredients for
> yourself; I'll let you research and tell me what you think.

Been there done that. Every new anti oxidant that comes along is jumped on
as the new super duper amazing wiz bang product that will cure all that
bothers you and "detox" you, etc. I like supplements, I love anti
oxidants, I dont like over hyped promise product X will
combat/cure/prevent problem Y with no real data to support it which only
helps confirm what many think of the supplement industry. For people with
CVD, and or risk factors for CVD, it looks worth using. Looks promising
for other health issues, but there is zero support at this time for use
with AAS, and that's a fact.



> ...And Hard Bop Drums...you claim to be such an intelligent guy, and
> so well-versed in the fields of nutrition and medicine, yet you
> actually advocate the usage of ephedrine and caffeine before a
> workout?!?

Yes, as studies have shown it's safe and effective for most people,
contrary to media BS, and if you followed the major studies you would know
that.

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

In article <1180025666.016863.80200@h2g2000hsg.googlegroups.c om>, ash
<ashsnap@yahoo.com> wrote:

> You know what, sometimes people can do extremely damaging things to
> their bodies and be lucky--nothing happens. To claim that the people
> on this message board are using anabolic steroids because of the
> benefits they have shown to HIV and AIDS patients is laughable.

Then you are ignorant of the topic and have no experience or
medical/science training in the area. AAS have many medical uses,
including people with HIV and AIDS.

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:willbrink-2405071403210001@192.168.2.156...
> In article <1180024940.419565.279610@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups .com>, ash
> <ashsnap@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Well, Mr. Brink put my message back up...I was trying to remove
>> it...you can do a google search and see the various clinical studies
>> that have been published on the benefits on resveratrol and the
>> polyphenolic anthropalexins (most potent plant antioxidants, found in
>> pomegranates).
>
> That's not what I asked you. I have read the studies, and there are
> exactly zero studies on this compound looking at combating AAS side
> effects.
>
>> Most recently, a Los Angeles study gave pomegranate
>> juice to prostate cancer patients during treatment. Their PSA level
>> (which measures the aggressiveness of the cancer) doubling times were
>> reduced almost fourfold, which is unheard of, indicating that
>> pomegranate juice can inhibit the progression and growth of active
>> prostate cancer (Clin Cancer Res 06;12(13):4018-4026). Anabolic
>> steroid use can enlarge the prostate, which can lead to prostate
>> cancer, among other issues.
>
> Attemping a simple A + B = C is at best wishful thinking. It's also not
> good science. Associations between AAS and prostate cancer are far from
> clear, and there is exactly zero data (as mentioned) pomagranate will help
> with any AAS side effects, and I take pomagranite caps every day myself.
>
>
>> You can also look up (I don't want to
>> come across as a "snake oil" salesperson, once again, since I can't
>> delete someone else's post, ellagic acid. This is one of the most
>> potent detoxifiers of the body's cells and a strong deterrent for
>> specific cellular disease. It is a powerful antioxidant that works
>> against free radical damage. Check out those ingredients for
>> yourself; I'll let you research and tell me what you think.
>
> Been there done that. Every new anti oxidant that comes along is jumped on
> as the new super duper amazing wiz bang product that will cure all that
> bothers you and "detox" you, etc. I like supplements, I love anti
> oxidants, I dont like over hyped promise product X will
> combat/cure/prevent problem Y with no real data to support it which only
> helps confirm what many think of the supplement industry. For people with
> CVD, and or risk factors for CVD, it looks worth using. Looks promising
> for other health issues, but there is zero support at this time for use
> with AAS, and that's a fact.
>
>
>
>> ...And Hard Bop Drums...you claim to be such an intelligent guy, and
>> so well-versed in the fields of nutrition and medicine, yet you
>> actually advocate the usage of ephedrine and caffeine before a
>> workout?!?
>
> Yes, as studies have shown it's safe and effective for most people,
> contrary to media BS, and if you followed the major studies you would know
> that.
>
> --
> Will @ www.BrinkZone.com
>
> "It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

Will,
It is painfully obvious that this girl wants so badly to believe the media
and it's bullshit. I never advocated using E & C in large dosages. Just like
99.99999% of the substances out there all with therapeutic levels and toxic
levels. My Pulmonary MD told me it was OK to use a small amount of Ephedrine
before my leg day to help with my Asthma. From me telling him how it helped,
he gave me a script for Theophylline too. It has similar properties, but
fewer side effects. I would also love to find out where this girl thinks she
can find where the line is between use and abuse when it comes to Anabolic
Steroids. I have seen guys take 4-6 Anadrol/day for 6 months straight and
become Jaundiced. I have also seen exponentially more take 1-2/day for 4-6
weeks with nothing but incredible gains in strength and size, zero negative
Hepatic results. I think that she has been exposed for being ignorant and a
SPAMMER.



--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

"Hard Bop Drums" <nospam@hardbopdrums.com> schreef:

>> your calling Virus a "pussy"
>> reinforces my claims that you have issues with sexist language and
>> homophobia...

I think thats correct.

Robert doesnt have issues with homosexuals, but with homophobics.

I just like to fuck with homosexuals because they are... homosexual.

(Eddie Murphy, 1987 or 83)

> Do you know how horribly most pro bodybuilders abuse the living shit out
> of AS and are still around to talk about it? Even the ones who died, did
> so because of other things. Look into the death of Andreas Munzer or
> Mohamed Benazziza. When you see what was in Munzer's body, you will freak!
> AS were the least of his problems. :-)

Robert, dont bother.

It really is a waste of time. The general public just doesnt understand what
the coimbination of EPO and diuretics AND high altitude does to your body.

Its the same as convincing people that Lyle Alzado died of an AIDS related
disease...

Or that Synthol is NOT an anabolic steroid.

--
Pete

The reason I'm not personally putting up any links to research is
because of Mr. Schuh's vitriol. If anyone wants to check out
resveratrol or some of the research being done with pomegranates and
their ingredients that I listed above, go for it. I don't want to be
accused of listing false or biased research, even though my site has
all 3rd party research. Look elsewhere, though--I don't want any
"slack-jawed locals" (so you do like to generalize about some people--
those dumb southerners) to be charmed by any snake oil salesman such
as myself. He claims that I said there were a lot of people suffering
from all kinds of problems, but I suggested the nutritional supplement
as a preventative measure because of the extra stress that was going
on bodies that were using AS and other supplements that have negative
effects down the line on the body. Genesis contains a great deal of
antioxidants and detoxifiers, which work to combat free radicals,
repair cells...again--research what some of the ingredients have been
doing these past couple of years for body health in general--it's
amazing.


<ashs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> You know what, sometimes people can do extremely damaging things to
> their bodies and be lucky--nothing happens. To claim that the people
> on this message board are using anabolic steroids because of the
> benefits they have shown to HIV and AIDS patients is laughable.

Then you are ignorant of the topic and have no experience or
medical/science training in the area. AAS have many medical uses,
including people with HIV and AIDS.

I never claimed that there weren't many medical uses for anabolic
steroids. I WAS suggesting that the people on this board were
probably not primarily HIV/AIDS patients who were using AS due to a
doctor's prescription. Since the board is devoted to fitness and
weightlifting, and most of the posts (at least in the beginning!) are
devoted to weightlifting topics, my thoughts were more about long-term
abuse for physical gains. My apologies to anyone reading this who
uses anabolic steroids in a non-performance enhancing way. Now, am I
condemning the usage of AS? Not necessarily... but then again, I try
to avoid most prescription medicine whenever possible because of what
it does to the body. I like my body too much to mess with it. I'm
not sure what Schuh's point was with him wanting me to check into the
aspirin deaths...because I don't take aspirin--every time you do, it
leaks blood into your system. No thanks...my point is, there are
risks and benefits associated with almost every drug on the medical
market. What can be safe for many test groups can later be linked to
hundreds of deaths and prompts a huge prescription drug recall. You
just have to be aware and willing to accept the consequences if you
want to reap the rewards. It's like race car drivers who know full
well what a mangled car looks like, but still strap in and push down
on the accelerator.

Oh, and Mr. Schuh: I do apologize for calling you homophobic; after
reading a lot of your other posts, I do see that you attempt to call
people out for their small-mindedness. I do stand by my feelings
about the language you used in altering my original post and calling
Virus a "pussy". Although we disagree on some things, we do agree
about the need to eliminate hatred, and as much as you said I was
playing the victim, you do nothing but attempt to play on dominant
patriarchal ideals (consciously or unconsciously) when you speak as
you did. Disagree with me on many things, but don't be a hypocrite.

On May 25, 1:08 pm, ash <ashs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> The reason I'm not personally putting up any links to research is
> because of Mr. Schuh's vitriol. If anyone wants to check out
> resveratrol or some of the research being done with pomegranates and
> their ingredients that I listed above, go for it.

really? pom juice to combat negative effects of...well...juice?

you're anna kubit, aren't you?

You know what? I told you in a personal email that I knew people who
had abused steroids, asshole. I have a vested interest in not seeing
others go through that shit. Do I know specifically what dosage they
were on? No--do I want to share stories of athletes that I was around,
or of my ex? THAT'S NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. This isn't a Lifetime movie
about my experiences and why I would like to help--which is what I
already explained to your brain-dead ass. I'm not sure why you've
wanted to pick a fight from the beginning (although I see from all
your other [many] posts that you have a tendency to pick them), but I
suspect it's because you have no life, no woman (or man), and a
sneaking suspicion that your glory days have passed you by and no one
else really noticed. I hope you get some sense of superiority out of
all your little posting, since you try so hard.

In article <1180112898.504708.257560@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups .com>, ash
<ashsnap@yahoo.com> wrote:

> The reason I'm not personally putting up any links to research is
> because of Mr. Schuh's vitriol.

That's illogical.

>If anyone wants to check out
> resveratrol or some of the research being done with pomegranates and
> their ingredients that I listed above, go for it.

As there are no studies showing any benefits to users of AAS (the title of
your post) there is nothing for you to link to. Funny how that works...

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

So basically this ill-informed dolt is hiding from posting any facts by
using me as a scape goat. She has YET to prove that AS are causing
significant health risks, yet she still thinks her snake oil will remedy the
problem that does not exist.

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/


"ash" <ashsnap@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1180112898.504708.257560@q75g2000hsh.googlegr oups.com...
> The reason I'm not personally putting up any links to research is
> because of Mr. Schuh's vitriol. If anyone wants to check out
> resveratrol or some of the research being done with pomegranates and
> their ingredients that I listed above, go for it. I don't want to be
> accused of listing false or biased research, even though my site has
> all 3rd party research. Look elsewhere, though--I don't want any
> "slack-jawed locals" (so you do like to generalize about some people--
> those dumb southerners) to be charmed by any snake oil salesman such
> as myself. He claims that I said there were a lot of people suffering
> from all kinds of problems, but I suggested the nutritional supplement
> as a preventative measure because of the extra stress that was going
> on bodies that were using AS and other supplements that have negative
> effects down the line on the body. Genesis contains a great deal of
> antioxidants and detoxifiers, which work to combat free radicals,
> repair cells...again--research what some of the ingredients have been
> doing these past couple of years for body health in general--it's
> amazing.
>
>
> <ashs...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> You know what, sometimes people can do extremely damaging things to
>> their bodies and be lucky--nothing happens. To claim that the people
>> on this message board are using anabolic steroids because of the
>> benefits they have shown to HIV and AIDS patients is laughable.
>
> Then you are ignorant of the topic and have no experience or
> medical/science training in the area. AAS have many medical uses,
> including people with HIV and AIDS.
>
> I never claimed that there weren't many medical uses for anabolic
> steroids. I WAS suggesting that the people on this board were
> probably not primarily HIV/AIDS patients who were using AS due to a
> doctor's prescription. Since the board is devoted to fitness and
> weightlifting, and most of the posts (at least in the beginning!) are
> devoted to weightlifting topics, my thoughts were more about long-term
> abuse for physical gains. My apologies to anyone reading this who
> uses anabolic steroids in a non-performance enhancing way. Now, am I
> condemning the usage of AS? Not necessarily... but then again, I try
> to avoid most prescription medicine whenever possible because of what
> it does to the body. I like my body too much to mess with it. I'm
> not sure what Schuh's point was with him wanting me to check into the
> aspirin deaths...because I don't take aspirin--every time you do, it
> leaks blood into your system. No thanks...my point is, there are
> risks and benefits associated with almost every drug on the medical
> market. What can be safe for many test groups can later be linked to
> hundreds of deaths and prompts a huge prescription drug recall. You
> just have to be aware and willing to accept the consequences if you
> want to reap the rewards. It's like race car drivers who know full
> well what a mangled car looks like, but still strap in and push down
> on the accelerator.
>
> Oh, and Mr. Schuh: I do apologize for calling you homophobic; after<