Is this good snatch form? (vid)

Snatch + overhead squat:

http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=3ywjnyu

The snatch part is not too good, but what exactly am I doing wrong?

Thnks.

Sid Bonfire wrote:
> The snatch should be one movement from the floor to overhead. You have
> two movements, the first being a dead-lift. The second part is a
> snatch from the completed dead-lift position. I can't help but notice
> how short your arms are. This may be the reason you have to break the
> snatch into two movements. You look like you have good natural
> strength.
>

Sorry, forgot to say that was a snatch from the hang.

The snatch should be one movement from the floor to overhead. You have
two movements, the first being a dead-lift. The second part is a
snatch from the completed dead-lift position. I can't help but notice
how short your arms are. This may be the reason you have to break the
snatch into two movements. You look like you have good natural
strength.

"Sid Bonfire" <jenvarin@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1173050921.945967.215790@8g2000cwh.googlegrou ps.com...
> The snatch should be one movement from the floor to overhead. You have
> two movements, the first being a dead-lift. The second part is a
> snatch from the completed dead-lift position. I can't help but notice
> how short your arms are. This may be the reason you have to break the
> snatch into two movements. You look like you have good natural
> strength.

A hang snatch is fine. The problem I see is that he uses his hips to
throw the bar forward, which isn't what you want on this movement. You
want to be focused on moving the bar up, up, up.. Otherwise it looks
fine to me, granted that I don't do these much and know even less about
them.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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Bully <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> typed:
> In news:-aCdnW5lQoDkznbYnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@insightbb.com,
> 223rem <223rem@sgbcglobal.com> typed:
>> Snatch + overhead squat:
>>
>> http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=3ywjnyu
>>
>> The snatch part is not too good, but what exactly am I doing wrong?
>>
>
> You look like you are reverse curling the weight as you create
> momentum for the bar by pushing your hips forward. Also, your grip
> looks a little narrow [difficult to tell from side on]. A crucial
> part of the snatch is the shrug that sets the bar moving upwards as
> you pull your body under the bar. You don't appear to do either of
> these things.

See here: http://coachesinfo.com/gfx/articles/...ubleknee8b.jpg. You
might also want to Google on "triple extension".

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the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

In news:-aCdnW5lQoDkznbYnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@insightbb.com,
223rem <223rem@sgbcglobal.com> typed:
> Snatch + overhead squat:
>
> http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=3ywjnyu
>
> The snatch part is not too good, but what exactly am I doing wrong?
>

You look like you are reverse curling the weight as you create momentum for
the bar by pushing your hips forward. Also, your grip looks a little narrow
[difficult to tell from side on]. A crucial part of the snatch is the shrug
that sets the bar moving upwards as you pull your body under the bar. You
don't appear to do either of these things.


--
Bully
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"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

"223rem" <223rem@sgbcglobal.com> wrote in message
news:BPmdnbhxKOP4y3bYnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@insightbb.co m...
> Sid Bonfire wrote:
>> The snatch should be one movement from the floor to overhead. You have
>> two movements, the first being a dead-lift. The second part is a
>> snatch from the completed dead-lift position. I can't help but notice
>> how short your arms are. This may be the reason you have to break the
>> snatch into two movements. You look like you have good natural
>> strength.
>>
>
> Sorry, forgot to say that was a snatch from the hang.

I've only had a little experience with Olympic Lifting, so there are many
more knowledgeable people out there.

I'm seeing two main problems:
1) when you hit the bar with your legs, you are pushing it away from you
(which is what Steve said). The impact with the bar should help lift it
_up_. The bar is supposed to go in essentially a straight line up. With
heavier weights, you won't have enough mass to push it around so if it
starts moving away from you, you won't get it under control.
2) You should be pulling the bar up while you go under it (often explained
as pulling yourself under the bar). Instead, you are lifting the bar up and
then doing an overhead squat. When you get to heavier weights, this
won't be an option.

A couple references:
http://www.biofitness.com/demo26.html

the foot stomping on this one appears to be exaggerated for training purposes:
http://www.gocolgateraiders.com/spor...angsnatch.html

ignoring the starting position:
http://eteamz.active.com/idahoweight...rdanian125.mov
http://eteamz.active.com/idahoweight...deos/Rue90.mov

Notice how, in the last two, the lifters move their hips and legs forward but
the bar doesn't go forwards.


Art

Art S wrote:
> "223rem" <223rem@sgbcglobal.com> wrote in message
> news:BPmdnbhxKOP4y3bYnZ2dnUVZ_sTinZ2d@insightbb.co m...
>> Sid Bonfire wrote:
>>> The snatch should be one movement from the floor to overhead. You have
>>> two movements, the first being a dead-lift. The second part is a
>>> snatch from the completed dead-lift position. I can't help but notice
>>> how short your arms are. This may be the reason you have to break the
>>> snatch into two movements. You look like you have good natural
>>> strength.
>>>
>> Sorry, forgot to say that was a snatch from the hang.
>
> I've only had a little experience with Olympic Lifting, so there are many
> more knowledgeable people out there.
>
> I'm seeing two main problems:
> 1) when you hit the bar with your legs, you are pushing it away from you
> (which is what Steve said). The impact with the bar should help lift it
> _up_. The bar is supposed to go in essentially a straight line up. With
> heavier weights, you won't have enough mass to push it around so if it
> starts moving away from you, you won't get it under control.
> 2) You should be pulling the bar up while you go under it (often explained
> as pulling yourself under the bar). Instead, you are lifting the bar up and
> then doing an overhead squat. When you get to heavier weights, this
> won't be an option.
>
> A couple references:
> http://www.biofitness.com/demo26.html
>
> the foot stomping on this one appears to be exaggerated for training purposes:
> http://www.gocolgateraiders.com/spor...angsnatch.html
>
> ignoring the starting position:
> http://eteamz.active.com/idahoweight...rdanian125.mov
> http://eteamz.active.com/idahoweight...deos/Rue90.mov
>
> Notice how, in the last two, the lifters move their hips and legs forward but
> the bar doesn't go forwards.
>


Thanks. I have a long way to go.

Bully wrote:
> In news:-aCdnW5lQoDkznbYnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@insightbb.com,
> 223rem <223rem@sgbcglobal.com> typed:
>> Snatch + overhead squat:
>>
>> http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=3ywjnyu
>>
>> The snatch part is not too good, but what exactly am I doing wrong?
>>
>
> You look like you are reverse curling the weight as you create momentum for
> the bar by pushing your hips forward. Also, your grip looks a little narrow
> [difficult to tell from side on]. A crucial part of the snatch is the shrug
> that sets the bar moving upwards as you pull your body under the bar. You
> don't appear to do either of these things.
>
>
Yep. I';; work on my form.

In article <551pi5F239bbpU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

> In news:551pb3F235b1kU1@mid.individual.net,
> Bully <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> typed:
> > In news:-aCdnW5lQoDkznbYnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@insightbb.com,
> > 223rem <223rem@sgbcglobal.com> typed:
> >> Snatch + overhead squat:
> >>
> >> http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=3ywjnyu
> >>
> >> The snatch part is not too good, but what exactly am I doing wrong?
> >>
> >
> > You look like you are reverse curling the weight as you create
> > momentum for the bar by pushing your hips forward. Also, your grip
> > looks a little narrow [difficult to tell from side on]. A crucial
> > part of the snatch is the shrug that sets the bar moving upwards as
> > you pull your body under the bar. You don't appear to do either of
> > these things.
>
> See here: http://coachesinfo.com/gfx/articles/...ubleknee8b.jpg. You
> might also want to Google on "triple extension".

I didn't read the article, but consciously trying to create a
double-knee bend is almost impossible.

223rem is right to do the snatch from the hang, but is letting the bar
get out in front of the body.

1. Keep your shoulders in front of the bar for as long as you can.

2. Keep the bar in tight to the body and focus on completing the pull
with the elbows high and over the hands.

3. Either think you are power snatching or start to get under the bar.
I'd start thinking of getting under it if i were you since you have good
shoulder flexibility.

--
Keith

Hobbes wrote:
> In article <551pi5F239bbpU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>
>> In news:551pb3F235b1kU1@mid.individual.net,
>> Bully <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> typed:
>>> In news:-aCdnW5lQoDkznbYnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@insightbb.com,
>>> 223rem <223rem@sgbcglobal.com> typed:
>>>> Snatch + overhead squat:
>>>>
>>>> http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=3ywjnyu
>>>>
>>>> The snatch part is not too good, but what exactly am I doing wrong?
>>>>
>>> You look like you are reverse curling the weight as you create
>>> momentum for the bar by pushing your hips forward. Also, your grip
>>> looks a little narrow [difficult to tell from side on]. A crucial
>>> part of the snatch is the shrug that sets the bar moving upwards as
>>> you pull your body under the bar. You don't appear to do either of
>>> these things.
>> See here: http://coachesinfo.com/gfx/articles/...ubleknee8b.jpg. You
>> might also want to Google on "triple extension".
>
> I didn't read the article, but consciously trying to create a
> double-knee bend is almost impossible.
>
> 223rem is right to do the snatch from the hang, but is letting the bar
> get out in front of the body.
>
> 1. Keep your shoulders in front of the bar for as long as you can.
>
> 2. Keep the bar in tight to the body and focus on completing the pull
> with the elbows high and over the hands.
>
> 3. Either think you are power snatching or start to get under the bar.
> I'd start thinking of getting under it if i were you since you have good
> shoulder flexibility.
>

That sounds a lot like the clean! Am I right?

In article <Nbadnfws1Nx7iHHYnZ2dnUVZ_vvinZ2d@insightbb.com> ,
223rem <223rem@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hobbes wrote:
> > In article <551pi5F239bbpU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> >
> >> In news:551pb3F235b1kU1@mid.individual.net,
> >> Bully <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> typed:
> >>> In news:-aCdnW5lQoDkznbYnZ2dnUVZ_hadnZ2d@insightbb.com,
> >>> 223rem <223rem@sgbcglobal.com> typed:
> >>>> Snatch + overhead squat:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://video.tinypic.com/player.php?v=3ywjnyu
> >>>>
> >>>> The snatch part is not too good, but what exactly am I doing wrong?
> >>>>
> >>> You look like you are reverse curling the weight as you create
> >>> momentum for the bar by pushing your hips forward. Also, your grip
> >>> looks a little narrow [difficult to tell from side on]. A crucial
> >>> part of the snatch is the shrug that sets the bar moving upwards as
> >>> you pull your body under the bar. You don't appear to do either of
> >>> these things.
> >> See here: http://coachesinfo.com/gfx/articles/...ubleknee8b.jpg.
> >> You
> >> might also want to Google on "triple extension".
> >
> > I didn't read the article, but consciously trying to create a
> > double-knee bend is almost impossible.
> >
> > 223rem is right to do the snatch from the hang, but is letting the bar
> > get out in front of the body.
> >
> > 1. Keep your shoulders in front of the bar for as long as you can.
> >
> > 2. Keep the bar in tight to the body and focus on completing the pull
> > with the elbows high and over the hands.
> >
> > 3. Either think you are power snatching or start to get under the bar.
> > I'd start thinking of getting under it if i were you since you have good
> > shoulder flexibility.
> >
>
> That sounds a lot like the clean! Am I right?

In that the shoulders stay in front of the bar? Yeah. There is a lot
more elbow bend in the clean though.

I'd watch the technique of Klokov. He is coached by Rigert, one of the
original great technicians in the snatch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6D2gSFvpFE

Pretty hard to get much better than that.

--
Keith

Hobbes wrote:

> I'd watch the technique of Klokov. He is coached by Rigert, one of the
> original great technicians in the snatch.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6D2gSFvpFE
>
> Pretty hard to get much better than that.

Thanks, great video.

It seems that he's bouncing the bar off his lower abdomen!

In news:fYidnQ_Fhfnd1HHYnZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@insightbb.co m,
223rem <223rem@gmail.com> typed:
> Hobbes wrote:
>
>> I'd watch the technique of Klokov. He is coached by Rigert, one of
>> the original great technicians in the snatch.
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6D2gSFvpFE
>>
>> Pretty hard to get much better than that.
>
> Thanks, great video.
>
> It seems that he's bouncing the bar off his lower abdomen!

Yup, he's definitely cheating that bar up ; )!

--
Bully
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"A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill

In article <fYidnQ_Fhfnd1HHYnZ2dnUVZ_ojinZ2d@insightbb.com> ,
223rem <223rem@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hobbes wrote:
>
> > I'd watch the technique of Klokov. He is coached by Rigert, one of the
> > original great technicians in the snatch.
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B6D2gSFvpFE
> >
> > Pretty hard to get much better than that.
>
> Thanks, great video.
>
> It seems that he's bouncing the bar off his lower abdomen!

Brushing it - yes. There is no bounce. Pause it and watch the bar path
and notice how there is no indentation on his suit. If he was doing a
belly toss the bar would make a perceptible dent. Plus no way you could
get it over your head. The bar is starting to come back at that stage -
not forward.

--
Keith