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Old 06-01-2007, 08:20 AM
Red Weasel
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Default Honda Says No to Seat Belt Extenders: Larger Passengers at Risk

THE FAT EPIDEMIC / Fighting the Stigma

Excerpt from "Citing Intolerance, Obese People Take Steps to Press Cause"
By CAREY GOLDBERG

Little Help From the Law

Many of the daily battles some fat people face do not lend themselves to the
courtroom, however ó from plane seats that are too narrow to strangers who
spout cruel taunts to doctors who refuse to believe that many diets only
backfire. And then there are the insurers.

"The hardest thing to live with as a fat person is that you can't get health
insurance," said Ms. Berg of the Council on Size and Weight Discrimination.
"When people call me up and say, `My H.M.O. kicked me out; what should I
do?' I have nothing to tell them. Nothing."

A person's weight does influence many health insurers, and a significantly
overweight applicant can be turned down, said Janet Trautwein, director of
federal policy for the National Association of Health Underwriters. "It's
not an appearance thing," she said. "It's just strictly a health status
factor, and it's used in combination with other factors like, `Do you smoke,
have high blood pressure, high cholesterol or diabetes?' "

In some states, she said, insurers may charge higher premiums for overweight
members.

Elizabeth Fisher, a programmer in Baton Rouge, La., decided not to let one
such moment of daily difficulty go by. She was buying a new car, and found
that the one she wanted, a Honda Odyssey minivan, did not make a seat belt
big enough for her; nor would Honda offer an extender, as many other
companies do.

This summer, Ms. Fisher petitioned the National Highway Traffic Safety
Administration to require carmakers to offer the option of longer seat belts
on new vehicles and seat-belt extenders on existing ones. Her fight had such
resonance that it has gained national publicity.

"This issue is much larger than one fat woman who can't buckle her seat
belt," said Ms. Fisher, who is expecting a decision soon from the agency.
"There are millions of people in the United States who weigh more than 215
pounds, the current upper weight limit required for seat belts by N.H.T.S.A.
And because fat is more prevalent in certain racial and ethnic populations,
more common in women than in men, and more common in older people than
young, denying fat people the protection of being included within the limits
of federal seat-belt regulations disproportionately affects these
disadvantaged groups."


In other news, after learning of Ms. Fisher's delimna, the Honey Baked Ham
Company, 1-866-492-HAMS, offered her 25 pounds of ham a month until she lost
125 pounds. Ms. Fisher declined to take them up on her offer stating that
she liked being fat, that it was her right, and just because she is an
unsightly member of a growing minority, she saw no reason why everyone else
in the world should not accomodate her. Ralston Purina made an unspecified
offer to Ms. Fisher, also declined.


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Old 06-01-2007, 08:20 AM
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On Jun 1, 10:37 am, "Red Weasel" <wea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> THE FAT EPIDEMIC / Fighting the Stigma
>
> Excerpt from "Citing Intolerance, Obese People Take Steps to Press Cause"
> By CAREY GOLDBERG
>
> Little Help From the Law
>
> Many of the daily battles some fat people face do not lend themselves to the
> courtroom, however ó from plane seats that are too narrow to strangers who
> spout cruel taunts to doctors who refuse to believe that many diets only
> backfire. And then there are the insurers.
>
> "The hardest thing to live with as a fat person is that you can't get health
> insurance," said Ms. Berg of the Council on Size and Weight Discrimination.
> "When people call me up and say, `My H.M.O. kicked me out; what should I
> do?' I have nothing to tell them. Nothing."
>
> A person's weight does influence many health insurers, and a significantly
> overweight applicant can be turned down, said Janet Trautwein, director of
> federal policy for the National Association of Health Underwriters. "It's
> not an appearance thing," she said. "It's just strictly a health status
> factor, and it's used in combination with other factors like, `Do you smoke,
> have high blood pressure, high cholesterol or diabetes?' "
>
> In some states, she said, insurers may charge higher premiums for overweight
> members.
>
> Elizabeth Fisher, a programmer in Baton Rouge, La., decided not to let one
> such moment of daily difficulty go by. She was buying a new car, and found
> that the one she wanted, a Honda Odyssey minivan, did not make a seat belt
> big enough for her; nor would Honda offer an extender, as many other
> companies do.
>
> This summer, Ms. Fisher petitioned the National Highway Traffic Safety
> Administration to require carmakers to offer the option of longer seat belts
> on new vehicles and seat-belt extenders on existing ones. Her fight had such
> resonance that it has gained national publicity.
>
> "This issue is much larger than one fat woman who can't buckle her seat
> belt," said Ms. Fisher, who is expecting a decision soon from the agency.
> "There are millions of people in the United States who weigh more than 215
> pounds, the current upper weight limit required for seat belts by N.H.T.S..A.
> And because fat is more prevalent in certain racial and ethnic populations,
> more common in women than in men, and more common in older people than
> young, denying fat people the protection of being included within the limits
> of federal seat-belt regulations disproportionately affects these
> disadvantaged groups."
>
> In other news, after learning of Ms. Fisher's delimna, the Honey Baked Ham
> Company, 1-866-492-HAMS, offered her 25 pounds of ham a month until she lost
> 125 pounds. Ms. Fisher declined to take them up on her offer stating that
> she liked being fat, that it was her right, and just because she is an
> unsightly member of a growing minority, she saw no reason why everyone else
> in the world should not accomodate her. Ralston Purina made an unspecified
> offer to Ms. Fisher, also declined.


Fat people are a burdon on the world besides being grossly self
indulgent. They ear food that the hungry dont. They cause prices to go
up as clothing manufacturers have to accomodate them. They burdon all
health systems.
They are a terrible example to children and so spread disease
everywhere.
And they - are - UGLY.

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Old 06-01-2007, 06:00 PM
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On 31 May 2007, cramerj <cramerj58@yahoo.com> posted some
news:1180675263.841599.324840@r19g2000prf.googlegr oups.com:

> On Jun 1, 10:37 am, "Red Weasel" <wea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> "This issue is much larger than one fat woman who can't buckle her
>> seat belt," said Ms. Fisher, who is expecting a decision soon from
>> the agency. "There are millions of people in the United States who
>> weigh more than 215 pounds, the current upper weight limit required
>> for seat belts by N.H.T.S.A. And because fat is more prevalent in
>> certain racial and ethnic populations, more common in women than in
>> men, and more common in older people than young, denying fat people
>> the protection of being included within the limits of federal
>> seat-belt regulations disproportionately affects these disadvantaged
>> groups."
>>
>> In other news, after learning of Ms. Fisher's delimna, the Honey
>> Baked Ham Company, 1-866-492-HAMS, offered her 25 pounds of ham a
>> month until she lost 125 pounds. Ms. Fisher declined to take them up
>> on her offer stating that she liked being fat, that it was her right,
>> and just because she is an unsightly member of a growing minority,
>> she saw no reason why everyone else in the world should not
>> accomodate her. Ralston Purina made an unspecified offer to Ms.
>> Fisher, also declined.


Ahh I call bullshit. It's funny tho.

> Fat people are a burdon on the world besides being grossly self
> indulgent. They ear food that the hungry dont. They cause prices to go
> up as clothing manufacturers have to accomodate them. They burdon all
> health systems.
> They are a terrible example to children and so spread disease
> everywhere.
> And they - are - UGLY.


So, you think fat people are a real social problem? I'm hoping you can
expand on the eating part and the diseases they spread.

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Old 06-02-2007, 01:11 AM
ajtessier
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Same could be said of smokers!

Al

"Ozzie Dog" <accesscode1010640@porconohills.tv> wrote in message
news:Xns9942111975A30DOREME18492378@85.214.62.108. ..
> On 31 May 2007, cramerj <cramerj58@yahoo.com> posted some
> news:1180675263.841599.324840@r19g2000prf.googlegr oups.com:
>
>> On Jun 1, 10:37 am, "Red Weasel" <wea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> "This issue is much larger than one fat woman who can't buckle her
>>> seat belt," said Ms. Fisher, who is expecting a decision soon from
>>> the agency. "There are millions of people in the United States who
>>> weigh more than 215 pounds, the current upper weight limit required
>>> for seat belts by N.H.T.S.A. And because fat is more prevalent in
>>> certain racial and ethnic populations, more common in women than in
>>> men, and more common in older people than young, denying fat people
>>> the protection of being included within the limits of federal
>>> seat-belt regulations disproportionately affects these disadvantaged
>>> groups."
>>>
>>> In other news, after learning of Ms. Fisher's delimna, the Honey
>>> Baked Ham Company, 1-866-492-HAMS, offered her 25 pounds of ham a
>>> month until she lost 125 pounds. Ms. Fisher declined to take them up
>>> on her offer stating that she liked being fat, that it was her right,
>>> and just because she is an unsightly member of a growing minority,
>>> she saw no reason why everyone else in the world should not
>>> accomodate her. Ralston Purina made an unspecified offer to Ms.
>>> Fisher, also declined.

>
> Ahh I call bullshit. It's funny tho.
>
>> Fat people are a burdon on the world besides being grossly self
>> indulgent. They ear food that the hungry dont. They cause prices to go
>> up as clothing manufacturers have to accomodate them. They burdon all
>> health systems.
>> They are a terrible example to children and so spread disease
>> everywhere.
>> And they - are - UGLY.

>
> So, you think fat people are a real social problem? I'm hoping you can
> expand on the eating part and the diseases they spread.
>



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Old 06-02-2007, 05:59 PM
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On Thu, 31 May 2007 22:21:03 -0700, cramerj <cramerj58@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On Jun 1, 10:37 am, "Red Weasel" <wea...@yahoo.com> wrote:


>> THE FAT EPIDEMIC / Fighting the Stigma>Fat people are a burdon on the world besides being grossly self

>indulgent. They ear food that the hungry dont.


Hmmm. you listen to food now? I miss EVERYTHING!


> They cause prices to go
>up as clothing manufacturers have to accomodate them.


Yes, fat people should not have clothes-just like female Ferengi...


>They burdon all
>health systems.


Gee, You eyesight is 20/20 and you can see all that???


>They are a terrible example to children and so spread disease
>everywhere.


Gosh....you seem to know soooo ...much.....of nothing.

>And they - are - UGLY.


Anything you don't like has got to be good for the world.

You can crawl back under your rock now.

LV

"I rode a tank and held a general's rank
When the blitzkrieg raged and the bodies stank."

---Sympathy for the Devil-The Rolling Stones
--------------------------------------------
"A fanatic cannot change his mind and will not
change the subject."

---Winston Churchill
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Old 06-02-2007, 05:59 PM
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On 01 Jun 2007, "ajtessier" <ajtessier@worldnet.att.net> posted some
news918i.88223$p47.33846@bgtnsc04-news.ops.worldnet.att.net:

> Same could be said of smokers!
>
> Al


Don't give them all the credit. Micro particulate rubber compounds and
brake-linings do the same thing as cigarettes. If you're an LA commuter,
you're killing your lungs one way or the other.


> "Ozzie Dog" <accesscode1010640@porconohills.tv> wrote in message
> news:Xns9942111975A30DOREME18492378@85.214.62.108. ..
>> On 31 May 2007, cramerj <cramerj58@yahoo.com> posted some
>> news:1180675263.841599.324840@r19g2000prf.googlegr oups.com:
>>
>>> On Jun 1, 10:37 am, "Red Weasel" <wea...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "This issue is much larger than one fat woman who can't buckle her
>>>> seat belt," said Ms. Fisher, who is expecting a decision soon from
>>>> the agency. "There are millions of people in the United States who
>>>> weigh more than 215 pounds, the current upper weight limit required
>>>> for seat belts by N.H.T.S.A. And because fat is more prevalent in
>>>> certain racial and ethnic populations, more common in women than in
>>>> men, and more common in older people than young, denying fat people
>>>> the protection of being included within the limits of federal
>>>> seat-belt regulations disproportionately affects these disadvantaged
>>>> groups."
>>>>
>>>> In other news, after learning of Ms. Fisher's delimna, the Honey
>>>> Baked Ham Company, 1-866-492-HAMS, offered her 25 pounds of ham a
>>>> month until she lost 125 pounds. Ms. Fisher declined to take them up
>>>> on her offer stating that she liked being fat, that it was her right,
>>>> and just because she is an unsightly member of a growing minority,
>>>> she saw no reason why everyone else in the world should not
>>>> accomodate her. Ralston Purina made an unspecified offer to Ms.
>>>> Fisher, also declined.

>>
>> Ahh I call bullshit. It's funny tho.
>>
>>> Fat people are a burdon on the world besides being grossly self
>>> indulgent. They ear food that the hungry dont. They cause prices to go
>>> up as clothing manufacturers have to accomodate them. They burdon all
>>> health systems.
>>> They are a terrible example to children and so spread disease
>>> everywhere.
>>> And they - are - UGLY.

>>
>> So, you think fat people are a real social problem? I'm hoping you can
>> expand on the eating part and the diseases they spread.
>>

>
>
>


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Old 06-02-2007, 05:59 PM
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On 01 Jun 2007, Lady Veteran <armyvet@bigfoot.com> posted some
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> On Thu, 31 May 2007 22:21:03 -0700, cramerj <cramerj58@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Jun 1, 10:37 am, "Red Weasel" <wea...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>>> THE FAT EPIDEMIC / Fighting the Stigma>Fat people are a burdon on
>>> the world besides being grossly self

>>indulgent. They ear food that the hungry dont.

>
> Hmmm. you listen to food now? I miss EVERYTHING!


Don't wear headphones when you're eating and you can hear the screams...
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