Honey vs. Sugar

Does anyone know if honey and sugar are processed by the body
differently?

I'm looking to spice up my protein powder drinks to make them taste
better. For me, sugar is readily available and less expensive than
honey. If honey is better for the body I will opt for it rather than
sugar, but I don't know the physiological differences. Thanks.

"Ar Nold" <jack.fritz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1178071408.109972.288180@y5g2000hsa.googlegro ups.com...
> Does anyone know if honey and sugar are processed by the body
> differently?
>
> I'm looking to spice up my protein powder drinks to make them taste
> better. For me, sugar is readily available and less expensive than
> honey. If honey is better for the body I will opt for it rather than
> sugar, but I don't know the physiological differences. Thanks.

I know of at least a couple of diet/nutrition books that treat sugar and
honey as essentially the same. Maple syrup, however, is somehow
"better" although I couldn't tell you why or how.

No science claimed here - just remembering what I read somewhere.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Ar Nold wrote:
> Does anyone know if honey and sugar
> are processed by the body differently?
[...]

I don't know, buuuuuut...

HONEY VS. SUGAR

*that* looks like it should be a match on a boxing card.

Ymmv.

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On Tue, 1 May 2007, Steve Freides wrote:

> "Ar Nold" <jack.fritz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1178071408.109972.288180@y5g2000hsa.googlegro ups.com...
>> Does anyone know if honey and sugar are processed by the body
>> differently?
>>
>> I'm looking to spice up my protein powder drinks to make them taste
>> better. For me, sugar is readily available and less expensive than
>> honey. If honey is better for the body I will opt for it rather than
>> sugar, but I don't know the physiological differences. Thanks.
>
> I know of at least a couple of diet/nutrition books that treat sugar and
> honey as essentially the same. Maple syrup, however, is somehow
> "better" although I couldn't tell you why or how.
>
> No science claimed here - just remembering what I read somewhere.
>

Maple syrup has trace amounts of vitamins and minerals, specifically iron
and zinc.

--
Sir Jackery

On Tue, 1 May 2007, Ar Nold wrote:

> Does anyone know if honey and sugar are processed by the body
> differently?
>
> I'm looking to spice up my protein powder drinks to make them taste
> better. For me, sugar is readily available and less expensive than
> honey. If honey is better for the body I will opt for it rather than
> sugar, but I don't know the physiological differences. Thanks.
>
>

Honey has more calories/volume and is not a significant source of anything
except glucose, fructose, and other simple carbs. 4000 Cal of honey has
about a gram of protein and 5000 Cal has about a gram of fiber.

--
Sir Jackery

On May 2, 6:03 am, Ar Nold <jack.fr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know if honey and sugar are processed by the body
> differently?
>
> I'm looking to spice up my protein powder drinks to make them taste
> better. For me, sugar is readily available and less expensive than
> honey. If honey is better for the body I will opt for it rather than
> sugar, but I don't know the physiological differences. Thanks.

ithink that honey is so beter. imean that honey is the best thing for
your body that you can drink with your protein powder.

On Wed, 1 May 2007, Curt wrote:

> Ar Nold wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know if honey and sugar are processed by the body
>> differently?
>
> I don't know, buuuuuut...
>
> HONEY VS. SUGAR
>
> *that* looks like it should be a match on a boxing card.

Or possibly an all-lady naked oil wrestling card.

tom

--
Coldplay is the kind of music computers will make when they get smart
enough to start making fun of humans -- Lower Marsh Tit

On May 2, 3:03 am, Ar Nold <jack.fr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Does anyone know if honey and sugar are processed by the body
> differently?
>
> I'm looking to spice up my protein powder drinks to make them taste
> better. For me, sugar is readily available and less expensive than
> honey. If honey is better for the body I will opt for it rather than
> sugar, but I don't know the physiological differences. Thanks.

I don't really know, but if it were me I'd just buy a tastier protein
powder next time. Some of them are very palatable. One or two are
foul. Most are OK.

The other alternative, of course, is that you just BUTCH THE F**K
UP!!!



Stephen

"Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0705012141180.10369@pc17.cs.ucd avis.edu...
> On Tue, 1 May 2007, Steve Freides wrote:
>
>> "Ar Nold" <jack.fritz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:1178071408.109972.288180@y5g2000hsa.googlegro ups.com...
>>> Does anyone know if honey and sugar are processed by the body
>>> differently?
>>>
>>> I'm looking to spice up my protein powder drinks to make them taste
>>> better. For me, sugar is readily available and less expensive than
>>> honey. If honey is better for the body I will opt for it rather than
>>> sugar, but I don't know the physiological differences. Thanks.
>>
>> I know of at least a couple of diet/nutrition books that treat sugar
>> and
>> honey as essentially the same. Maple syrup, however, is somehow
>> "better" although I couldn't tell you why or how.
>>
>> No science claimed here - just remembering what I read somewhere.
>>
>
> Maple syrup has trace amounts of vitamins and minerals, specifically
> iron and zinc.

I thought I recalled that the sugar was somehow different/better in
maple syrup - I don't know.

As someone who suffers from some pretty severe allergies, I find honey
sometimes makes me feel lousy in the same way - I assume it's the
pollen - while maple syrup doesn't bother me. Both are certainly very
tasty. We sometimes get our honey from an 85-year-old bee keeper
outside of Flemington, NJ - store bought honey just doesn't cut it after
that, although the store-bought kind also creates far fewer allergy
symptoms for me.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

>
> --
> Sir Jackery

On Wed, 2 May 2007, Steve Freides wrote:

> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0705012141180.10369@pc17.cs.ucd avis.edu...
>> On Tue, 1 May 2007, Steve Freides wrote:
>>
>>> "Ar Nold" <jack.fritz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1178071408.109972.288180@y5g2000hsa.googlegro ups.com...
>>>
>>>> Does anyone know if honey and sugar are processed by the body
>>>> differently?
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking to spice up my protein powder drinks to make them taste
>>>> better. For me, sugar is readily available and less expensive than
>>>> honey. If honey is better for the body I will opt for it rather than
>>>> sugar, but I don't know the physiological differences. Thanks.
>>>
>>> I know of at least a couple of diet/nutrition books that treat sugar
>>> and honey as essentially the same. Maple syrup, however, is somehow
>>> "better" although I couldn't tell you why or how.
>>>
>>> No science claimed here - just remembering what I read somewhere.
>>
>> Maple syrup has trace amounts of vitamins and minerals, specifically
>> iron and zinc.
>
> I thought I recalled that the sugar was somehow different/better in
> maple syrup - I don't know.

It might be the sugar composition. Table sugar is 100% sucrose; honey, i
think is a mix of glucose and fructose, about 2:1 IIRC. I would have
thought maple syrup is entirely fructose, which would not be too healthy,
at least not in large doses.

Fuck it, i'm going to look it up.

Okay, honey is mostly glucose + fructose, but in roughly equal amounts,
maybe a bit more fructose, and there's also a smidgen of sucrose and
several percent of random other di- and tri-saccharides. Maple syrup is
90% sucrose (damn), the rest being glucose and fructose.

Since sucrose gets broken down into fructose and sucrose quick smart in
the gut, in terms of sugars, honey and maple syrup are the same: roughly
50-50 mixes of glucose and fructose. And since, in healthy people eating
healthy amounts at least, fructose coming out of the gut is converted into
glucose by the liver before it hits the circulation, they're also
equivalent to glucose solutions.

In conclusion, everything is bullshit, and it's time for tea.

tom

--
Through the darkness of Future Past the magician longs to see.

On May 2, 3:21 am, Stephen Mulholland <mulholla...@rocketmail.com>
wrote:

> I don't really know, but if it were me I'd just buy a tastier protein
> powder next time.

Most are sweetened with Splenda these days.


> The other alternative, of course, is ..


http://home.att.net/~bubblegumusic/songsugar.htm




joanne

"Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.62.0705021538460.28049@urchin.eart h.li...
> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Steve Freides wrote:
>
>> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0705012141180.10369@pc17.cs.ucd avis.edu...
>>> On Tue, 1 May 2007, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Ar Nold" <jack.fritz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1178071408.109972.288180@y5g2000hsa.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>
>>>>> Does anyone know if honey and sugar are processed by the body
>>>>> differently?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking to spice up my protein powder drinks to make them
>>>>> taste better. For me, sugar is readily available and less
>>>>> expensive than honey. If honey is better for the body I will opt
>>>>> for it rather than sugar, but I don't know the physiological
>>>>> differences. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> I know of at least a couple of diet/nutrition books that treat
>>>> sugar and honey as essentially the same. Maple syrup, however, is
>>>> somehow "better" although I couldn't tell you why or how.
>>>>
>>>> No science claimed here - just remembering what I read somewhere.
>>>
>>> Maple syrup has trace amounts of vitamins and minerals, specifically
>>> iron and zinc.
>>
>> I thought I recalled that the sugar was somehow different/better in
>> maple syrup - I don't know.
>
> It might be the sugar composition. Table sugar is 100% sucrose; honey,
> i think is a mix of glucose and fructose, about 2:1 IIRC. I would have
> thought maple syrup is entirely fructose, which would not be too
> healthy, at least not in large doses.
>
> Fuck it, i'm going to look it up.
>
> Okay, honey is mostly glucose + fructose, but in roughly equal
> amounts, maybe a bit more fructose, and there's also a smidgen of
> sucrose and several percent of random other di- and tri-saccharides.
> Maple syrup is 90% sucrose (damn), the rest being glucose and
> fructose.
>
> Since sucrose gets broken down into fructose and sucrose quick smart
> in the gut, in terms of sugars, honey and maple syrup are the same:
> roughly 50-50 mixes of glucose and fructose. And since, in healthy
> people eating healthy amounts at least, fructose coming out of the gut
> is converted into glucose by the liver before it hits the circulation,
> they're also equivalent to glucose solutions.

Would the fact that the gut has to break down the sucrose make it
somehow better, i.e., slower to get procesed by the body. I mean, I
know slower isn't always better, but wouldn't that be one of the
consequences of this?

> In conclusion, everything is bullshit, and it's time for tea.

Well, that's fine, too. Yesterday it was several glasses of iced green
tea in the evening here, which was a lovely way to end the day.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


> tom
>
> --
> Through the darkness of Future Past the magician longs to see.

On Wed, 2 May 2007, Steve Freides wrote:

> "Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
> news:Pine.LNX.4.62.0705021538460.28049@urchin.eart h.li...
>> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Steve Freides wrote:
>>
>>> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
>>> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0705012141180.10369@pc17.cs.ucd avis.edu...
>>>> On Tue, 1 May 2007, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Ar Nold" <jack.fritz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1178071408.109972.288180@y5g2000hsa.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>>
>>>>>> Does anyone know if honey and sugar are processed by the body
>>>>>> differently?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm looking to spice up my protein powder drinks to make them
>>>>>> taste better. For me, sugar is readily available and less
>>>>>> expensive than honey. If honey is better for the body I will opt
>>>>>> for it rather than sugar, but I don't know the physiological
>>>>>> differences. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know of at least a couple of diet/nutrition books that treat
>>>>> sugar and honey as essentially the same. Maple syrup, however, is
>>>>> somehow "better" although I couldn't tell you why or how.
>>>>>
>>>>> No science claimed here - just remembering what I read somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Maple syrup has trace amounts of vitamins and minerals, specifically
>>>> iron and zinc.
>>>
>>> I thought I recalled that the sugar was somehow different/better in
>>> maple syrup - I don't know.
>>
>> It might be the sugar composition. Table sugar is 100% sucrose; honey,
>> i think is a mix of glucose and fructose, about 2:1 IIRC. I would have
>> thought maple syrup is entirely fructose, which would not be too
>> healthy, at least not in large doses.
>>
>> Fuck it, i'm going to look it up.
>>
>> Okay, honey is mostly glucose + fructose, but in roughly equal
>> amounts, maybe a bit more fructose, and there's also a smidgen of
>> sucrose and several percent of random other di- and tri-saccharides.
>> Maple syrup is 90% sucrose (damn), the rest being glucose and
>> fructose.
>>
>> Since sucrose gets broken down into fructose and sucrose quick smart
>> in the gut, in terms of sugars, honey and maple syrup are the same:
>> roughly 50-50 mixes of glucose and fructose. And since, in healthy
>> people eating healthy amounts at least, fructose coming out of the gut
>> is converted into glucose by the liver before it hits the circulation,
>> they're also equivalent to glucose solutions.
>
> Would the fact that the gut has to break down the sucrose make it
> somehow better, i.e., slower to get procesed by the body. I mean, I
> know slower isn't always better, but wouldn't that be one of the
> consequences of this?

At a scientific wild-arsed guess, no, or not much. Sucrose is more
complicated than glucose/fructose, but not by a lot. Starch is a lot more
complicated, and does take longer to break down, but sucrose apparently
gets broken down on the cell surface of the gut cells, right next to the
glucose and fructose transporters, so it should be really quick.

Here:

http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pic...3&blobtype=pdf

is a truly ancient paper on sugar uptake in rat gut, which (in tables 5
and 6) indicates that the rate at which glucose and fructose appear in the
blood are basically the same for sucrose and a glucose/fructose mix. 28
mM, as used in the paper, is about 10 g/l; classic gatorade is 59 g/l
sugar, and i have no idea what people are making their shakes up at. A
higher sugar concentration is more likely to saturate the various proteins
involved (which are apparently not saturated at 28 mM, according to the
paper), but i have absolutely no idea whether the sucrase or the
transporters will saturate first.

>> In conclusion, everything is bullshit, and it's time for tea.
>
> Well, that's fine, too. Yesterday it was several glasses of iced green
> tea in the evening here, which was a lovely way to end the day.

An espresso and a slice of plum tart for me today!

tom

--
I fought the law and the law won.

On May 2, 9:27 pm, "David Cohen" <sammies...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> "Bully" <bull...@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
> > Stephen Mulholland <mulholla...@rocketmail.com> typed:
> >> Ar Nold <jack.fr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>> Does anyone know if honey and sugar are processed by the body
> >>> differently?
>
> >>> I'm looking to spice up my protein powder drinks to make them taste
> >>> better. For me, sugar is readily available and less expensive than
> >>> honey. If honey is better for the body I will opt for it rather than
> >>> sugar, but I don't know the physiological differences. Thanks.
>
> >> I don't really know, but if it were me I'd just buy a tastier protein
> >> powder next time. Some of them are very palatable. One or two are
> >> foul. Most are OK.
>
> >> The other alternative, of course, is that you just BUTCH THE F**K
> >> UP!!!
>
> >>
>
> > Mully !!!!!
>
> He reappears occasionally, like Brigadoon, then fades into the ethereal
> mist.

<....fades into the ethereal mist....>

Stephen

"Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
news:Pine.LNX.4.62.0705021739360.21586@urchin.eart h.li...
> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Steve Freides wrote:
>
>> "Tom Anderson" <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote in message
>> news:Pine.LNX.4.62.0705021538460.28049@urchin.eart h.li...
>>> On Wed, 2 May 2007, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote in message
>>>> news:Pine.LNX.4.64.0705012141180.10369@pc17.cs.ucd avis.edu...
>>>>> On Tue, 1 May 2007, Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Ar Nold" <jack.fritz@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1178071408.109972.288180@y5g2000hsa.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Does anyone know if honey and sugar are processed by the body
>>>>>>> differently?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm looking to spice up my protein powder drinks to make them
>>>>>>> taste better. For me, sugar is readily available and less
>>>>>>> expensive than honey. If honey is better for the body I will opt
>>>>>>> for it rather than sugar, but I don't know the physiological
>>>>>>> differences. Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know of at least a couple of diet/nutrition books that treat
>>>>>> sugar and honey as essentially the same. Maple syrup, however,
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> somehow "better" although I couldn't tell you why or how.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No science claimed here - just remembering what I read somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maple syrup has trace amounts of vitamins and minerals,
>>>>> specifically
>>>>> iron and zinc.
>>>>
>>>> I thought I recalled that the sugar was somehow different/better in
>>>> maple syrup - I don't know.
>>>
>>> It might be the sugar composition. Table sugar is 100% sucrose;
>>> honey,
>>> i think is a mix of glucose and fructose, about 2:1 IIRC. I would
>>> have
>>> thought maple syrup is entirely fructose, which would not be too
>>> healthy, at least not in large doses.
>>>
>>> Fuck it, i'm going to look it up.
>>>
>>> Okay, honey is mostly glucose + fructose, but in roughly equal
>>> amounts, maybe a bit more fructose, and there's also a smidgen of
>>> sucrose and several percent of random other di- and tri-saccharides.
>>> Maple syrup is 90% sucrose (damn), the rest being glucose and
>>> fructose.
>>>
>>> Since sucrose gets broken down into fructose and sucrose quick smart
>>> in the gut, in terms of sugars, honey and maple syrup are the same:
>>> roughly 50-50 mixes of glucose and fructose. And since, in healthy
>>> people eating healthy amounts at least, fructose coming out of the
>>> gut
>>> is converted into glucose by the liver before it hits the
>>> circulation,
>>> they're also equivalent to glucose solutions.
>>
>> Would the fact that the gut has to break down the sucrose make it
>> somehow better, i.e., slower to get procesed by the body. I mean, I
>> know slower isn't always better, but wouldn't that be one of the
>> consequences of this?
>
> At a scientific wild-arsed guess, no, or not much. Sucrose is more
> complicated than glucose/fructose, but not by a lot. Starch is a lot
> more complicated, and does take longer to break down, but sucrose
> apparently gets broken down on the cell surface of the gut cells,
> right next to the glucose and fructose transporters, so it should be
> really quick.
>
> Here:
>
> http://www.pubmedcentral.nih.gov/pic...3&blobtype=pdf
>
> is a truly ancient paper on sugar uptake in rat gut, which (in tables
> 5 and 6) indicates that the rate at which glucose and fructose appear
> in the blood are basically the same for sucrose and a glucose/fructose
> mix. 28 mM, as used in the paper, is about 10 g/l; classic gatorade is
> 59 g/l sugar, and i have no idea what people are making their shakes
> up at. A higher sugar concentration is more likely to saturate the
> various proteins involved (which are apparently not saturated at 28
> mM, according to the paper), but i have absolutely no idea whether the
> sucrase or the transporters will saturate first.

Very good, will read, thanks.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


>>> In conclusion, everything is bullshit, and it's time for tea.
>>
>> Well, that's fine, too. Yesterday it was several glasses of iced
>> green tea in the evening here, which was a lovely way to end the day.
>
> An espresso and a slice of plum tart for me today!
>
> tom
>
> --
> I fought the law and the law won.

On 2 May 2007 03:21:29 -0700, Stephen Mulholland
<mulhollands@rocketmail.com> wrote:

>On May 2, 3:03 am, Ar Nold <jack.fr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Does anyone know if honey and sugar are processed by the body
>> differently?
>>
>> I'm looking to spice up my protein powder drinks to make them taste
>> better. For me, sugar is readily available and less expensive than
>> honey. If honey is better for the body I will opt for it rather than
>> sugar, but I don't know the physiological differences. Thanks.
>
>I don't really know, but if it were me I'd just buy a tastier protein
>powder next time. Some of them are very palatable. One or two are
>foul. Most are OK.
>
>The other alternative, of course, is that you just BUTCH THE F**K
>UP!!!
>
>
>
>Stephen

TUNA SHA.. oh nevermind.

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