HST simplified...please

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:54:38 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
<omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <14gpj290ptvn4ch5hcu5vjt4glm9o7psvi@4ax.com>,
> Charles <jrh@msn.com> wrote:
>
>
>> >For some reason, I'm not seeing that?
>>
>> I think that's the problem Om mate, you're not aware of what you're
>> doing.
>>
>> You are increasingly quick to leap to Williams' defence when I give
>> him a savage kick in the bollocks, yet you never leap in and defend my
>> reputation when he commits his foulness upon me.
>
>I have from time to time iirc. :-)
>I don't always defend him either. Most of the time I just sit back and
>eat my popcorn and stay out of it.
>
>>
>> Now, I don't want you to defend me, and I am aware that Williams would
>> turn on you like a mad dog if you did, whereas you know I won't. All I
>> want is for you to stay out of what passes between Williams and me,
>> and let us (Williams and me) get on with what we've been doing for a
>> absolute age.
>>
>> Don't forget you and I have been chums for many years, including the
>> really dark nasty years, and we too have been swapping personal emails
>> for some considerable time.
>>
>> Let's give it a rest Om mate - it's getting very wearing!!
>
>I'm pretty much done...
>
>In other words, butt out correct? <g>

That's as good a way as any! ;o)

>
>> >I could move up in the world too and take on a higher paying job doing
>> >machine repair for one of the big medical machine companies, and they'd
>> >hire me in a heartbeat, instead of slogging away in a small hospital
>> >lab... as I'm actually rather good at it and have a mechanical bent,
>> >
>> >but doing so would mean being on the road a lot. Too much sacrifice of
>> >my very precious time.
>>
>> But I'm not criticising you, or what you do; I have no need to. I give
>> Williams the shits because he gives me the shits - geddit? ;o)
>
>Of course!
>
>> >
>> >Cheers Chas'! :-)
>>
>> Cheers Om mate! ;o)
>>
>> I've just had a great workout and Monday is okay again!
>
>Sounds good......

Life is good...

>
>ttyl!

?

On Oct 23, 12:57 pm, Charles <j...@msn.com> wrote:
> JMW <jmwilli...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> >"Bully" <bul...@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> >>Charles wrote:
>
> >>[...]
>
> >>> My rugby club would of course welcome you with open arms, particularly
> >>> as some of them already know about you and your hilarious on-line
> >>> antics. They would gleefully beat most of the shit out of you and show
> >>> you just how tough you really are! Sadly, my playing days are coming
> >>> to an end and I have been shoved upstairs to the Committee, while also
> >>> achieving distinctive Alickadoo status! ;o)
>
> >>Which club?
>
> >No response? Interesting.

> Oh right, so I'm dopey enough to give you more stalking parameters
> John Williams.
>
> [snip]
>
> Bully's enquiry may have been out of genuine interest being an English
> rugby coach and avid fan, but he forgets that everything posted here
> is available to everyone, and archived in perpetuity!

He forgets nothing. I'm not the one you're really worried about -- he
is. He is the one with access to information on English rugby clubs,
and you know it. He is the one who could prove you a phony. *That* is
why you didn't answer his question.

My challenge to you: answer Neil's question by private email. I bet
you won't.

Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
> OmManiPadmeOmelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> While I've never been arrested for anything, my experience with
>> police has been mostly positive. I've found that _my_ attitude is
>> what influences them at traffic stops more than anything else. The
>> one time I was a bit hostile, it was because he started it off that
>> way but when I reciprocated the attitude, it only got worse. ;-) My
>> bad. Now the one time I came out of my car yelling at a cop for
>> tailgating me late at night on a lonely desert road and his
>> tailgating me CAUSED me to speed, he backed off........
>
> Actually it has nothing to do with a positive attitude. It has
> everything to do with them always being right. For instance last
> time I got pulled over I said the light was green and he said it was
> red. I told him it wasn't and he said he was right behind me. Of
> course he wasn't or I would have seen him. That doesn't matter
> though because cops are always right so you can't argue with them.

Would you rather have him tase you for running yer big mouth? :-)

I've been stopped a few times expecting to be treated like a damn
foreigner that I am, who's shamelessly taking somebody's well-deserved
job. They never behaved that way. That's good enough for me.

On Oct 23, 2:52 pm, DZ <1...@2047931901.330625589.6089.25953.9789>
wrote:
> Shute <S...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > OmManiPadmeOmelet <omp_ome...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> While I've never been arrested for anything, my experience with
> >> police has been mostly positive. I've found that _my_ attitude is
> >> what influences them at traffic stops more than anything else. The
> >> one time I was a bit hostile, it was because he started it off that
> >> way but when I reciprocated the attitude, it only got worse. ;-) My
> >> bad. Now the one time I came out of my car yelling at a cop for
> >> tailgating me late at night on a lonely desert road and his
> >> tailgating me CAUSED me to speed, he backed off........
>
> > Actually it has nothing to do with a positive attitude. It has
> > everything to do with them always being right. For instance last
> > time I got pulled over I said the light was green and he said it was
> > red. I told him it wasn't and he said he was right behind me. Of
> > course he wasn't or I would have seen him. That doesn't matter
> > though because cops are always right so you can't argue with them.
>
> Would you rather have him tase you for running yer big mouth? :-)
>
> I've been stopped a few times expecting to be treated like a damn
> foreigner that I am, who's shamelessly taking somebody's well-deserved
> job. They never behaved that way. That's good enough for me.

How do American cops compare to Russian cops in that regard?

Pete wrote:
> "Shute" schreef:
> > "Curt James" wrote:
> >>OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
[...]

> >>> If you want to attack JMW as a person, ok.
> >>
> >>SWWEEEEET!!!! ALL SYSTEMS GO!!!! WE HAVE ~*LIFT OFF!!!!!!*~ ATTACK
> >>PROCEDURES IMPLEMENTED!!!!!! GO, GO,
> >>GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >>
> >>> (even tho' I won't agree as I've gotten to know him privately).
[...]

> >>The following is a rerun, but it fairly sums up my ax-to-grind factor
> >>so far as JMW is concerned.
> >>
> >>http://groups.google.com/group/misc....1c98cf2?hl=en&
[...]

> >>Compassion for John Williams? I don't see it happening. Although I have
> >>stated I would appreciate he remove his web pages which he has
> >>currently "devoted to" yours truly. That'd be a start, but although you
> >>may see him in a certain light (as is your right) I suspect he's
> >>anything but deserving of your kind thoughts. Of course I could be
> >>wrong. I have been many times in the past and expect I will be an equal
> >>or greater number of times in the future.
> >>
> >
> > I think you set a new record Curt. 351 lines, holy shit. I replied
> > with the whole message just in case someone missed it.
>
> 351?
>
> Thats nothing.
>
> Try this one;
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc....014ba96c225e6c
>
> I was posting as "Anonymous."

Oh, suuuuure! Yours is biggest! Again! )

> Pete

--
Curt

JMW wrote:
> DZ wrote:
>> Shute wrote:
>> > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>> >> While I've never been arrested for anything, my experience with
>> >> police has been mostly positive. I've found that _my_ attitude is
>> >> what influences them at traffic stops more than anything else. The
>> >> one time I was a bit hostile, it was because he started it off that
>> >> way but when I reciprocated the attitude, it only got worse. ;-) My
>> >> bad. Now the one time I came out of my car yelling at a cop for
>> >> tailgating me late at night on a lonely desert road and his
>> >> tailgating me CAUSED me to speed, he backed off........
>>
>> > Actually it has nothing to do with a positive attitude. It has
>> > everything to do with them always being right. For instance last
>> > time I got pulled over I said the light was green and he said it was
>> > red. I told him it wasn't and he said he was right behind me. Of
>> > course he wasn't or I would have seen him. That doesn't matter
>> > though because cops are always right so you can't argue with them.
>>
>> Would you rather have him tase you for running yer big mouth? :-)
>>
>> I've been stopped a few times expecting to be treated like a damn
>> foreigner that I am, who's shamelessly taking somebody's well-deserved
>> job. They never behaved that way. That's good enough for me.
>
> How do American cops compare to Russian cops in that regard?

I might expect a certain degree of animosity from a random person in
the US (although I don't think I have experienced that personally),
just because there is influx of foreigners in search of comparatively
better life conditions. They'd work for less money, speak poor
English, wouldn't fully accept local cultural norms, etc. - I mean,
why WOULDN'T someone be upset? But that doesn't seem to project, at
least linearly, to the behavior of the law enforcement employees. The
demographic situation in Russia is only starting to become similar in
Far East, where there are now many migrants from Northern China. OTOH,
someone from say Kazakhstan would not be be considered quite like a
foreigner, given he's from a former Soviet republic. So I'd say there
is still a certain degree of interest and bewilderment toward
foreigners, rather than emotions of the kind "we've had enough of
that, and we want you out".

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:14:10 +0000 (UTC), DZ
<10985@803014239.2509820556.17491.19105.4989> wrote:

>I might expect a certain degree of animosity from a random person in
>the US (although I don't think I have experienced that personally),
>just because there is influx of foreigners in search of comparatively
>better life conditions. They'd work for less money, speak poor
>English, wouldn't fully accept local cultural norms, etc. - I mean,
>why WOULDN'T someone be upset? But that doesn't seem to project, at
>least linearly, to the behavior of the law enforcement employees. The
>demographic situation in Russia is only starting to become similar in
>Far East, where there are now many migrants from Northern China. OTOH,
>someone from say Kazakhstan would not be be considered quite like a
>foreigner, given he's from a former Soviet republic. So I'd say there
>is still a certain degree of interest and bewilderment toward
>foreigners, rather than emotions of the kind "we've had enough of
>that, and we want you out".

I am looking forward to the movie Borat. He plays a reporter from
Kazakhstan who has fun with the American ignorance of foreigners.

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 18:52:26 +0000 (UTC), DZ
<19542@2047931901.330625589.6089.25953.9789> wrote:

>Would you rather have him tase you for running yer big mouth? :-)
>
>I've been stopped a few times expecting to be treated like a damn
>foreigner that I am, who's shamelessly taking somebody's well-deserved
>job. They never behaved that way. That's good enough for me.

It may depend on where you live. I have heard of people down south
say out of staters are ask to pay their fines in cash. Otherwise
spend the night in jail. Small town cops seem to be worse than big
city cops.

DZ <10985@803014239.2509820556.17491.19105.4989> wrote:
>JMW wrote:
>> DZ wrote:
>>> Shute wrote:
>>> > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>> >> While I've never been arrested for anything, my experience with
>>> >> police has been mostly positive. I've found that _my_ attitude is
>>> >> what influences them at traffic stops more than anything else. The
>>> >> one time I was a bit hostile, it was because he started it off that
>>> >> way but when I reciprocated the attitude, it only got worse. ;-) My
>>> >> bad. Now the one time I came out of my car yelling at a cop for
>>> >> tailgating me late at night on a lonely desert road and his
>>> >> tailgating me CAUSED me to speed, he backed off........
>>>
>>> > Actually it has nothing to do with a positive attitude. It has
>>> > everything to do with them always being right. For instance last
>>> > time I got pulled over I said the light was green and he said it was
>>> > red. I told him it wasn't and he said he was right behind me. Of
>>> > course he wasn't or I would have seen him. That doesn't matter
>>> > though because cops are always right so you can't argue with them.
>>>
>>> Would you rather have him tase you for running yer big mouth? :-)
>>>
>>> I've been stopped a few times expecting to be treated like a damn
>>> foreigner that I am, who's shamelessly taking somebody's well-deserved
>>> job. They never behaved that way. That's good enough for me.
>>
>> How do American cops compare to Russian cops in that regard?
>
>I might expect a certain degree of animosity from a random person in
>the US (although I don't think I have experienced that personally),
>just because there is influx of foreigners in search of comparatively
>better life conditions. They'd work for less money, speak poor
>English, wouldn't fully accept local cultural norms, etc. - I mean,
>why WOULDN'T someone be upset? But that doesn't seem to project, at
>least linearly, to the behavior of the law enforcement employees. The
>demographic situation in Russia is only starting to become similar in
>Far East, where there are now many migrants from Northern China. OTOH,
>someone from say Kazakhstan would not be be considered quite like a
>foreigner, given he's from a former Soviet republic. So I'd say there
>is still a certain degree of interest and bewilderment toward
>foreigners, rather than emotions of the kind "we've had enough of
>that, and we want you out".

Actually, what I meant was a comparison of American cops to Russian
cops in terms of politeness and tolerance for the ill-behaved.

As to American police treatment of "dang ferriners," you, being
Russian, are more likely to be treated as an interesting-but-benign
oddity, while Hispanics are more likely to be treated with outright
contempt.

On 23 Oct 2006 11:45:20 -0700, "JMW" <jmwilliams_56@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>
>On Oct 23, 12:57 pm, Charles <j...@msn.com> wrote:
>> JMW <jmwilli...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>> >"Bully" <bul...@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>> >>Charles wrote:
>>
>> >>[...]
>>
>> >>> My rugby club would of course welcome you with open arms, particularly
>> >>> as some of them already know about you and your hilarious on-line
>> >>> antics. They would gleefully beat most of the shit out of you and show
>> >>> you just how tough you really are! Sadly, my playing days are coming
>> >>> to an end and I have been shoved upstairs to the Committee, while also
>> >>> achieving distinctive Alickadoo status! ;o)
>>
>> >>Which club?
>>
>> >No response? Interesting.
>
>> Oh right, so I'm dopey enough to give you more stalking parameters
>> John Williams.
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> Bully's enquiry may have been out of genuine interest being an English
>> rugby coach and avid fan, but he forgets that everything posted here
>> is available to everyone, and archived in perpetuity!
>
>He forgets nothing. I'm not the one you're really worried about -- he
>is. He is the one with access to information on English rugby clubs,
>and you know it. He is the one who could prove you a phony. *That* is
>why you didn't answer his question.
>
>My challenge to you: answer Neil's question by private email. I bet
>you won't.

This from the man who went to all the trouble to cyber- stalk me, to
the extent that he found a set of local town council minutes from the
town in which we used to live.

These contained nothing more than some information about my wife, who
was acting in her official capacity as the former Chairman of the
Parochial Church Council, and supporting the Parish Priest in the
church's opposition to a local pub's planning application.

You made veiled threats about posting it to the Group - so I told you
in no uncertain terms to go fuck yourself, and now you say that you
are not a threat to the privacy of me and my family you sick bastard.
If you can find local town council minutes, you would certainly find
details of well-known English rugby clubs.

You tell me John Williams, after all these years, when you have ever
caught me out telling lies. My trouble with you has been because I
have been far too honest.

Of course what I should have done is posted a false rugby club to
Bully, and had you searching feverishly with wild eyes for days and
nights on end, looking for juicy morsels to reveal to anyone who might
be interested - which realistically you crazy old fuck - is only you!

My answer to your challenge is to blow it out of your fat arse you
sick old fat bald bastard, and don't go getting other people embroiled
in your sordid obsessive games. I have no intention of emailing anyone
at your behest you sad fat old fuck!

If you bother me again, I may just decide to be rude to you! <VBG>

I just thought you ought to know that! ;o)

HTH!

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:50:33 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
<omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:

>That's why I take defensive driving...
>
>Knocking on wood here, I've not had a traffic violation now for a good 4
>years. I'm even _more_ careful now that I carry.

While I am sure that helps it really is just a matter of time
nowadays. I have had two people hit me in the past five years while
my car was in a parked position. I haven't had a ticket I had to pay
for in more than 5 years. But I have been stopped a number of times.
And when I was a kid I got stopped all the time. It makes a big
difference what time you are driving, the type of car, how old your
are, your looks, who you know, and what you say. If you are
driving a crap box they are more likely to pull your over because they
figure they can get you on something. If you got blonde hair and big
boobs they will probably let you go. Once a cop pulled me and another
car over together. He let me go and gave the other guy a ticket. He
knew my father and told him what happened.

On 23 Oct 2006 07:14:31 -0700, "JMW" <jmwilliams_56@yahoo.com> wrote:

>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wayne_County,_Ohio

So that is at least the size of a decent city population wise. Even
if it is all spread out. That is bound to have it's share of colorful
characters. Having so few minorities probably mellows it out a bit
though.

JMW wrote:
> DZ wrote:
>>JMW wrote:
>>> DZ wrote:
>>>> Shute wrote:
>>>> > OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>>> >> While I've never been arrested for anything, my experience with
>>>> >> police has been mostly positive. I've found that _my_ attitude is
>>>> >> what influences them at traffic stops more than anything else. The
>>>> >> one time I was a bit hostile, it was because he started it off that
>>>> >> way but when I reciprocated the attitude, it only got worse. ;-) My
>>>> >> bad. Now the one time I came out of my car yelling at a cop for
>>>> >> tailgating me late at night on a lonely desert road and his
>>>> >> tailgating me CAUSED me to speed, he backed off........
>>>>
>>>> > Actually it has nothing to do with a positive attitude. It has
>>>> > everything to do with them always being right. For instance last
>>>> > time I got pulled over I said the light was green and he said it was
>>>> > red. I told him it wasn't and he said he was right behind me. Of
>>>> > course he wasn't or I would have seen him. That doesn't matter
>>>> > though because cops are always right so you can't argue with them.
>>>>
>>>> Would you rather have him tase you for running yer big mouth? :-)
>>>>
>>>> I've been stopped a few times expecting to be treated like a damn
>>>> foreigner that I am, who's shamelessly taking somebody's well-deserved
>>>> job. They never behaved that way. That's good enough for me.
>>>
>>> How do American cops compare to Russian cops in that regard?
>>
>>I might expect a certain degree of animosity from a random person in
>>the US (although I don't think I have experienced that personally),
>>just because there is influx of foreigners in search of comparatively
>>better life conditions. They'd work for less money, speak poor
>>English, wouldn't fully accept local cultural norms, etc. - I mean,
>>why WOULDN'T someone be upset? But that doesn't seem to project, at
>>least linearly, to the behavior of the law enforcement employees. The
>>demographic situation in Russia is only starting to become similar in
>>Far East, where there are now many migrants from Northern China. OTOH,
>>someone from say Kazakhstan would not be be considered quite like a
>>foreigner, given he's from a former Soviet republic. So I'd say there
>>is still a certain degree of interest and bewilderment toward
>>foreigners, rather than emotions of the kind "we've had enough of
>>that, and we want you out".
>
> Actually, what I meant was a comparison of American cops to Russian
> cops in terms of politeness and tolerance for the ill-behaved.

Russian cops aren't impolite, however I wouldn't try, like Om did, to
appear "a bit hostile". Well, I don't think it's such a good idea here
either. I lived in a big Russian city around 1990. There wasn't nearly
enough police, and I think they couldn't drive around because they
couldn't afford fuel. At the same time, highly populated urban areas
didn't have phones in most of the flats. A large dog and a steel door
became necessities. Now, when I'm walking home at night, would I
rather like to be stopped by a gang, or by policemen checking the ID?
There is now more police and I like it much better this way. These
days I carry the passport, which is being checked quite often,
especially in Western Russia - perhaps I'm being mistaken for someone
from the Caucasus region.

> As to American police treatment of "dang ferriners," you, being
> Russian, are more likely to be treated as an interesting-but-benign
> oddity, while Hispanics are more likely to be treated with outright
> contempt.

Could be so. Most of the time though people think I'm an Arab. Less
often they think I'm a Hispanic. They'd only think I'm a Russian if
they recognize the name or the accent, but that is not a certainty.

In article <2leqj2te4rcmcr7slhrv3lag4h1gt7uj6a@4ax.com>,
Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 11:50:33 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >That's why I take defensive driving...
> >
> >Knocking on wood here, I've not had a traffic violation now for a good 4
> >years. I'm even _more_ careful now that I carry.
>
> While I am sure that helps it really is just a matter of time
> nowadays.

I know where the speed traps are on my routine routes.
I also have a radar detector (that gets taken down promptly if I do get
stopped!).

It helps a little.

But then, so does time management.
If I have no need to speed, I don't. 70 mph is fast enough.

> I have had two people hit me in the past five years while
> my car was in a parked position. I haven't had a ticket I had to pay
> for in more than 5 years. But I have been stopped a number of times.
> And when I was a kid I got stopped all the time. It makes a big
> difference what time you are driving, the type of car, how old your
> are, your looks, who you know, and what you say. If you are
> driving a crap box they are more likely to pull your over because they
> figure they can get you on something. If you got blonde hair and big
> boobs they will probably let you go. Once a cop pulled me and another
> car over together. He let me go and gave the other guy a ticket. He
> knew my father and told him what happened.

Like I said before, I drive a 1999 Chevy S-10 with a camper shell.
I also do my best to practice strict control over road rage. ;-)
--
Peace, Om

Remove _ to validate e-mails.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

In article <5056@64081410.137448220.3251.31423.18070>,
DZ <9174@457830783.691317946.13430.7199.23087> wrote:

> however I wouldn't try, like Om did, to
> appear "a bit hostile".

I think you either misread or misinterpreted my post.....
--
Peace, Om

Remove _ to validate e-mails.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

John Williams wrote:
[...]

> My challenge to you: answer <snip>'s question by
> private email. I bet you won't.

"I bet you won't." Why don't you double dog dare him, Emmy?

Excuse me, John Williams, but didn't you recently call another MFW
patron a pussy? And didn't you "invite" me to Ohio? Stop by my place,
iirc. Give me a call, if I'm not mistaken. But when I requested your
address and a phone contact, well, I received neither by that private
email you're so quick to challenge this latest MFW patron with.

Who's the pussy?

Rhetorical.

Note to Bully: I have a life. And I have the answer to that question.

--
Curt

OmManiPadmeOmelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
> DZ wrote:
>> however I wouldn't try, like Om did, to appear "a bit hostile".
>
> I think you either misread or misinterpreted my post.....

I quoted from this sentence by you -

"The one time I was a bit hostile, it was because he started it off
that way but when I reciprocated the attitude, it only got worse. ;-)"

What have I misinterpreted?

In article <9575@2853432049.2218030493.24832.21563.32228>,
DZ <489@1504229534.159063716.21449.13329.16526> wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
> > DZ wrote:
> >> however I wouldn't try, like Om did, to appear "a bit hostile".
> >
> > I think you either misread or misinterpreted my post.....
>
> I quoted from this sentence by you -
>
> "The one time I was a bit hostile, it was because he started it off
> that way but when I reciprocated the attitude, it only got worse. ;-)"
>
> What have I misinterpreted?

You may note that I regretted that incident, and it is not my normal way
to handle traffic stops.......

Most of the time, I am cooperative and polite.
That particular officer ticked me off.
--
Peace, Om

Remove _ to validate e-mails.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:46:28 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
<omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:

>I know where the speed traps are on my routine routes.
>I also have a radar detector (that gets taken down promptly if I do get
>stopped!).
>
>It helps a little.
>
>But then, so does time management.
>If I have no need to speed, I don't. 70 mph is fast enough.

All of that should help a lot. Just remember the detectors aren't a
nifty as they may seem. I have seen cops point their gun only as fast
cars where going by then point it into the air. And there is are find
officers of the town I grew up in. They wait up on the bridge over
the highway. There is a long straight of way on ramp they can use to
speed up and catch you. Because they are up high your doctor won't
catch them. I have seen them do a lot of other sneaky stuff too.
Small town cops are the worst. If there are lots of people and
everyone is going fast than not to worry.

>Like I said before, I drive a 1999 Chevy S-10 with a camper shell.
>I also do my best to practice strict control over road rage. ;-)

That makes a big difference. I used to have a truck and I think they
are less likely to bother you unless you squeal your tires or go
really fast.

BTW it is a big deal where I live. Speeding is $50 up to ten miles an
hour over the speed limit. Then $10 for every mile an hour over
that. So 75 in a 55 is $150. More if they get you for other
violations. But the car insurance is the big factor. It stays on
your record for six years and the more you get the more you pay.

Shute wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:14:10 +0000 (UTC), DZ
> <10985@803014239.2509820556.17491.19105.4989> wrote:
>
>> I might expect a certain degree of animosity from a random person in
>> the US (although I don't think I have experienced that personally),
>> just because there is influx of foreigners in search of comparatively
>> better life conditions. They'd work for less money, speak poor
>> English, wouldn't fully accept local cultural norms, etc. - I mean,
>> why WOULDN'T someone be upset? But that doesn't seem to project, at
>> least linearly, to the behavior of the law enforcement employees. The
>> demographic situation in Russia is only starting to become similar in
>> Far East, where there are now many migrants from Northern China.
>> OTOH, someone from say Kazakhstan would not be be considered quite
>> like a foreigner, given he's from a former Soviet republic. So I'd
>> say there is still a certain degree of interest and bewilderment
>> toward foreigners, rather than emotions of the kind "we've had
>> enough of that, and we want you out".
>
> I am looking forward to the movie Borat. He plays a reporter from
> Kazakhstan who has fun with the American ignorance of foreigners.

http://www.jaunted.com/story/2006/5/...Summer+Fashion

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

On 23 Oct 2006 20:04:04 -0700, "Curt James" <curtjames@gmail.com>
wrote:

>John Williams wrote:
>[...]
>
>> My challenge to you: answer <snip>'s question by
>> private email. I bet you won't.
>
>"I bet you won't." Why don't you double dog dare him, Emmy?
>
>Excuse me, John Williams, but didn't you recently call another MFW
>patron a pussy? And didn't you "invite" me to Ohio? Stop by my place,
>iirc. Give me a call, if I'm not mistaken. But when I requested your
>address and a phone contact, well, I received neither by that private
>email you're so quick to challenge this latest MFW patron with.

Isn't that just typical of the slimy old bugger; double standards all
the time!

He also didn't answer my post concerning the legal implications of
inciting a third party to participate in an affray, which as a
so-called lawyer you might have thought he would have had an
alternative opinion, or attempted to bluster greater legal knowledge.

See:

"Inviting someone to enter into a public brawl, including inviting him
to threaten you with a provocative act in order to start the violence,
would not be any sort of defence in subsequent legal proceedings.

This would be further aggravated by your prior intention to video the
affray, for the purpose of displaying the video as visual proof of
your violent criminal intent and actions, to participants in a Usenet
newsgroup for the purpose of your own personal vanity.

Of course you would be fucked either way, should some bright spark
take you up on your offer and kick the shit out of you!! ;o)

We all know it's hot air Williams, but I just thought you should know
the legal repercussions of your on-line bullshit."

It is obvious he is full of wind and piss! ;o)

Shute wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:46:28 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I know where the speed traps are on my routine routes.
>> I also have a radar detector (that gets taken down promptly if I do
>> get stopped!).
>>
>> It helps a little.
>>
>> But then, so does time management.
>> If I have no need to speed, I don't. 70 mph is fast enough.
>
> All of that should help a lot. Just remember the detectors aren't a
> nifty as they may seem. I have seen cops point their gun only as fast
> cars where going by then point it into the air. And there is are find
> officers of the town I grew up in. They wait up on the bridge over
> the highway. There is a long straight of way on ramp they can use to
> speed up and catch you.

I think your translation software may be experiencing difficulties!


> Because they are up high your doctor won't
> catch them. I have seen them do a lot of other sneaky stuff too.
> Small town cops are the worst. If there are lots of people and
> everyone is going fast than not to worry.
>
>> Like I said before, I drive a 1999 Chevy S-10 with a camper shell.
>> I also do my best to practice strict control over road rage. ;-)
>
> That makes a big difference. I used to have a truck and I think they
> are less likely to bother you unless you squeal your tires or go
> really fast.
>
> BTW it is a big deal where I live. Speeding is $50 up to ten miles an
> hour over the speed limit. Then $10 for every mile an hour over
> that. So 75 in a 55 is $150. More if they get you for other
> violations. But the car insurance is the big factor. It stays on
> your record for six years and the more you get the more you pay.



--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

In article <9fbrj21t27q39f970ajjnsktdhndkn45b9@4ax.com>,
Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:46:28 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I know where the speed traps are on my routine routes.
> >I also have a radar detector (that gets taken down promptly if I do get
> >stopped!).
> >
> >It helps a little.
> >
> >But then, so does time management.
> >If I have no need to speed, I don't. 70 mph is fast enough.
>
> All of that should help a lot. Just remember the detectors aren't a
> nifty as they may seem. I have seen cops point their gun only as fast
> cars where going by then point it into the air. And there is are find
> officers of the town I grew up in. They wait up on the bridge over
> the highway. There is a long straight of way on ramp they can use to
> speed up and catch you. Because they are up high your doctor won't
> catch them. I have seen them do a lot of other sneaky stuff too.
> Small town cops are the worst. If there are lots of people and
> everyone is going fast than not to worry.

I'm all too aware of the limitations of radar detectors...
one of which is that many of our local patrolmen have those "instant on"
guns that are not running "hot".

So, you can only pick them up if they are being used on cars ahead of
you.

>
> >Like I said before, I drive a 1999 Chevy S-10 with a camper shell.
> >I also do my best to practice strict control over road rage. ;-)
>
> That makes a big difference. I used to have a truck and I think they
> are less likely to bother you unless you squeal your tires or go
> really fast.
>
> BTW it is a big deal where I live. Speeding is $50 up to ten miles an
> hour over the speed limit. Then $10 for every mile an hour over
> that. So 75 in a 55 is $150. More if they get you for other
> violations. But the car insurance is the big factor. It stays on
> your record for six years and the more you get the more you pay.

Oh yes! The insurance issue is the only real issue I have with traffic
violations!

And I thought it was 7 years?
--
Peace, Om

Remove _ to validate e-mails.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson

Dnia 2006-10-23 DZ napisa³(a):
>
> I might expect a certain degree of animosity from a random person in
> the US (although I don't think I have experienced that personally),
> just because there is influx of foreigners in search of comparatively
> better life conditions. They'd work for less money, speak poor
> English, wouldn't fully accept local cultural norms, etc. - I mean,
> why WOULDN'T someone be upset? But that doesn't seem to project, at
> least linearly, to the behavior of the law enforcement employees. The
> demographic situation in Russia is only starting to become similar in
> Far East, where there are now many migrants from Northern China. OTOH,
> someone from say Kazakhstan would not be be considered quite like a
> foreigner, given he's from a former Soviet republic. So I'd say there
> is still a certain degree of interest and bewilderment toward
> foreigners, rather than emotions of the kind "we've had enough of
> that, and we want you out".

From what I heard first hand and read (sort of first hand too - friends
describing their travels) Russian cops are a damn nuisance. They expect
foreigners to pay for the privilege of travelling through Russia.
Every 30 km or so.

Worst thing seems to be the obligatory and constant bargaining. They
demand money out of this world, so until someone is very well founded
the bargain is a must, and because it happens more or less several
times a day it gets boring quite soon.

If I ever go this way I'll do in on my Ural bike. It should be cheaper
to fix it twice a week then to pay more due to "big 'new' bike" factor.
And in case they confiscate it, leaving it will be an option too.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Charles wrote:
> "JMW" <jmwilliams_56@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Charles <j...@msn.com> wrote:
> >> JMW <jmwilli...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> >> >"Bully" <bul...@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> >> >>Charles wrote:
> >>
> >> >>[...]
> >>
> >> >>> My rugby club would of course welcome you with open arms, particularly
> >> >>> as some of them already know about you and your hilarious on-line
> >> >>> antics. They would gleefully beat most of the shit out of you and show
> >> >>> you just how tough you really are! Sadly, my playing days are coming
> >> >>> to an end and I have been shoved upstairs to the Committee, while also
> >> >>> achieving distinctive Alickadoo status! ;o)
> >>
> >> >>Which club?
> >>
> >> >No response? Interesting.
> >
> >> Oh right, so I'm dopey enough to give you more stalking parameters
> >> John Williams.
> >>
> >> [snip]
> >>
> >> Bully's enquiry may have been out of genuine interest being an English
> >> rugby coach and avid fan, but he forgets that everything posted here
> >> is available to everyone, and archived in perpetuity!
> >
> >He forgets nothing. I'm not the one you're really worried about -- he
> >is. He is the one with access to information on English rugby clubs,
> >and you know it. He is the one who could prove you a phony. *That* is
> >why you didn't answer his question.
> >
> >My challenge to you: answer Neil's question by private email. I bet
> >you won't.
>
> This from the man who [excretia deletia]

It's not about me this time, Hudson, no matter how much you want to
make it so.

It's about your bragging and Bully "innocently" calling your bluff.
Let me re-word my earlier response to make it more clear to you:

I'm not the one you're really worried about -- Bully is. He is the one
with access to information on British rugby clubs. He understands the
sport much better than I do, and he is the one who regularly reads
rec.sport.rugby.union (RSRU) and sees you acting the pompous ass. He
is the one who could prove you a phony.

My challenge to you remains the same: answer Bully's question by
private email. I don't really care to pursue the matter myself.
However, since you are the one who put rugby on topic, I will
cross-post this one response to RSRU in case anyone there wishes to
call your bluff.

On 24 Oct 2006 07:28:44 -0700, "JMW" <jmwilliams_56@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Charles wrote:
>> "JMW" <jmwilliams_56@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > Charles <j...@msn.com> wrote:
>> >> JMW <jmwilli...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>> >> >"Bully" <bul...@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>> >> >>Charles wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >>[...]
>> >>
>> >> >>> My rugby club would of course welcome you with open arms, particularly
>> >> >>> as some of them already know about you and your hilarious on-line
>> >> >>> antics. They would gleefully beat most of the shit out of you and show
>> >> >>> you just how tough you really are! Sadly, my playing days are coming
>> >> >>> to an end and I have been shoved upstairs to the Committee, while also
>> >> >>> achieving distinctive Alickadoo status! ;o)
>> >>
>> >> >>Which club?
>> >>
>> >> >No response? Interesting.
>> >
>> >> Oh right, so I'm dopey enough to give you more stalking parameters
>> >> John Williams.
>> >>
>> >> [snip]
>> >>
>> >> Bully's enquiry may have been out of genuine interest being an English
>> >> rugby coach and avid fan, but he forgets that everything posted here
>> >> is available to everyone, and archived in perpetuity!
>> >
>> >He forgets nothing. I'm not the one you're really worried about -- he
>> >is. He is the one with access to information on English rugby clubs,
>> >and you know it. He is the one who could prove you a phony. *That* is
>> >why you didn't answer his question.
>> >
>> >My challenge to you: answer Neil's question by private email. I bet
>> >you won't.
>>
>> This from the man who [excretia deletia]

["excretia" reinserted]

>This from the man who went to all the trouble to cyber- stalk me, to
>the extent that he found a set of local town council minutes from the
>town in which we used to live.
>
>These contained nothing more than some information about my wife, who
>was acting in her official capacity as the former Chairman of the
>Parochial Church Council, and supporting the Parish Priest in the
>church's opposition to a local pub's planning application.
>
>You made veiled threats about posting it to the Group - so I told you
>in no uncertain terms to go fuck yourself, and now you say that you
>are not a threat to the privacy of me and my family you sick bastard.
>If you can find local town council minutes, you would certainly find
>details of well-known English rugby clubs.
>
>You tell me John Williams, after all these years, when you have ever
>caught me out telling lies. My trouble with you has been because I
>have been far too honest.
>
>Of course what I should have done is posted a false rugby club to
>Bully, and had you searching feverishly with wild eyes for days and
>nights on end, looking for juicy morsels to reveal to anyone who might
>be interested - which realistically you crazy old fuck - is only you!
>
>My answer to your challenge is to blow it out of your fat arse you
>sick old fat bald bastard, and don't go getting other people embroiled
>in your sordid obsessive games. I have no intention of emailing anyone
>at your behest you sad fat old fuck!
>
>If you bother me again, I may just decide to be rude to you! <VBG>
>
>I just thought you ought to know that! ;o)
>
>HTH!
>
>It's not about me this time, Hudson, no matter how much you want to
>make it so.
>
>It's about your bragging and Bully "innocently" calling your bluff.
>Let me re-word my earlier response to make it more clear to you:
>
>I'm not the one you're really worried about -- Bully is. He is the one
>with access to information on British rugby clubs. He understands the
>sport much better than I do, and he is the one who regularly reads
>rec.sport.rugby.union (RSRU) and sees you acting the pompous ass. He
>is the one who could prove you a phony.
>
>My challenge to you remains the same: answer Bully's question by
>private email. I don't really care to pursue the matter myself.
>However, since you are the one who put rugby on topic, I will
>cross-post this one response to RSRU in case anyone there wishes to
>call your bluff.

My answer to you remains the same you bald-headed cyber stalking aging
fat fuck - If you continue to annoy me I may decide to be rude to
you!! ;o)

Sorry RSRU, this is the notorious John Williams again, and we have
been doing this for many years - unfortunately.

You may remember him from my web site:

http://www.fitnwell.net/Williams%20dopey%20large.jpg

;o)

Charles wrote:
> On 24 Oct 2006 07:28:44 -0700, "JMW" <jmwilliams_56@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Charles wrote:
>>> "JMW" <jmwilliams_56@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Charles <j...@msn.com> wrote:
>>>>> JMW <jmwilli...@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "Bully" <bul...@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>>>>>>> Charles wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My rugby club would of course welcome you with open arms,
>>>>>>>> particularly as some of them already know about you and your
>>>>>>>> hilarious on-line antics. They would gleefully beat most of
>>>>>>>> the shit out of you and show you just how tough you really
>>>>>>>> are! Sadly, my playing days are coming to an end and I have
>>>>>>>> been shoved upstairs to the Committee, while also achieving
>>>>>>>> distinctive Alickadoo status! ;o)
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which club?
>>>>>
>>>>>> No response? Interesting.
>>>>
>>>>> Oh right, so I'm dopey enough to give you more stalking parameters
>>>>> John Williams.
>>>>>
>>>>> [snip]
>>>>>
>>>>> Bully's enquiry may have been out of genuine interest being an
>>>>> English rugby coach and avid fan, but he forgets that everything
>>>>> posted here is available to everyone, and archived in perpetuity!
>>>>
>>>> He forgets nothing. I'm not the one you're really worried about
>>>> -- he is. He is the one with access to information on English
>>>> rugby clubs, and you know it. He is the one who could prove you a
>>>> phony. *That* is why you didn't answer his question.
>>>>
>>>> My challenge to you: answer Neil's question by private email. I
>>>> bet you won't.
>>>
>>> This from the man who [excretia deletia]
>
> ["excretia" reinserted]
>
>> This from the man who went to all the trouble to cyber- stalk me, to
>> the extent that he found a set of local town council minutes from the
>> town in which we used to live.
>>
>> These contained nothing more than some information about my wife, who
>> was acting in her official capacity as the former Chairman of the
>> Parochial Church Council, and supporting the Parish Priest in the
>> church's opposition to a local pub's planning application.
>>
>> You made veiled threats about posting it to the Group - so I told you
>> in no uncertain terms to go fuck yourself, and now you say that you
>> are not a threat to the privacy of me and my family you sick bastard.
>> If you can find local town council minutes, you would certainly find
>> details of well-known English rugby clubs.
>>
>> You tell me John Williams, after all these years, when you have ever
>> caught me out telling lies. My trouble with you has been because I
>> have been far too honest.
>>
>> Of course what I should have done is posted a false rugby club to
>> Bully, and had you searching feverishly with wild eyes for days and
>> nights on end, looking for juicy morsels to reveal to anyone who
>> might be interested - which realistically you crazy old fuck - is
>> only you!
>>
>> My answer to your challenge is to blow it out of your fat arse you
>> sick old fat bald bastard, and don't go getting other people
>> embroiled in your sordid obsessive games. I have no intention of
>> emailing anyone at your behest you sad fat old fuck!
>>
>> If you bother me again, I may just decide to be rude to you! <VBG>
>>
>> I just thought you ought to know that! ;o)
>>
>> HTH!
>>
>> It's not about me this time, Hudson, no matter how much you want to
>> make it so.
>>
>> It's about your bragging and Bully "innocently" calling your bluff.
>> Let me re-word my earlier response to make it more clear to you:
>>
>> I'm not the one you're really worried about -- Bully is. He is the
>> one with access to information on British rugby clubs. He
>> understands the sport much better than I do, and he is the one who
>> regularly reads rec.sport.rugby.union (RSRU) and sees you acting the
>> pompous ass. He is the one who could prove you a phony.
>>
>> My challenge to you remains the same: answer Bully's question by
>> private email. I don't really care to pursue the matter myself.
>> However, since you are the one who put rugby on topic, I will
>> cross-post this one response to RSRU in case anyone there wishes to
>> call your bluff.
>
> My answer to you remains the same you bald-headed cyber stalking aging
> fat fuck - If you continue to annoy me I may decide to be rude to
> you!! ;o)
>
> Sorry RSRU, this is the notorious John Williams again, and we have
> been doing this for many years - unfortunately.
>
> You may remember him from my web site:
>
> http://www.fitnwell.net/Williams%20dopey%20large.jpg
>
> ;o)

If those are the type of pictures Charlie boy publishes to his web site, can
you imagine the one's he keeps for his own purposes [and what he might use
them for] !!!

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