HST simplified...please

I have surfed around looking at HST and it sounds like good stuff but I
can't seem to grasp just what the jist of it is.

I am not one for real complicated routines and cycles. If that is what it
is maybe it just isn't for me. I'm not a complete dumbass or anything but
maybe a little lazy when it comes to figuring this stuff out.

Does anyone know of a site that just lays it out real simple like? Or does
anyone care to explain it to me and others like me who might find this
thread?

thanks in advance for any directions, advice, insight, insults, flames, or
whatever.

On Oct 18, 7:28 pm, "lucky\(one\)" <lucky(1)@insightbb.com> wrote:
> > Does anyone know of a site that just lays it out real simple like? Or does
> anyone care to explain it to me and others like me who might find this
> thread?

http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/hst_index.html

2nd page gives you a routine example/check out their articles section
too


joanne

"lucky(one)" <lucky(1)@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:KPKdnctSwfdMf6vYnZ2dnUVZ_sqdnZ2d@insightbb.co m...
> I have surfed around looking at HST and it sounds like good stuff but I
> can't seem to grasp just what the jist of it is.
>
> I am not one for real complicated routines and cycles. If that is what it
> is maybe it just isn't for me. I'm not a complete dumbass or anything but
> maybe a little lazy when it comes to figuring this stuff out.
>
> Does anyone know of a site that just lays it out real simple like? Or
does
> anyone care to explain it to me and others like me who might find this
> thread?
>
> thanks in advance for any directions, advice, insight, insults, flames, or
> whatever.
>
>

While Joanne normally gives out crap advice I do agree that (if you haven't
already) you need to read the articles on the HST site. If you have read
that and are still confused then let us know. I follow a modified HST
routine and think HST is great for a lot of people. Keep in mind you should
understand is the underlying principles, you don't have to follow it to the
letter, but the basic ideas are very sound.

Yeah, I had been to that link but found it a tough read, but I'll try
again.

hmmmm......this guy uses BIG words and technical terms that are beyond
my scope of knowledge but I think I've muddled through it.

HST:

~use mainly compound exercises
~determine 15, 10, 5 rep wgt max's
~cycle is 4 x 2 week blocks
~whole body workouts 3X a week (M,W,F)
~1-2 sets per exercise/?body part?
~start with 15 rep first block ending second week at max wgts increased
incrementally @ 5 lbs.
~subsequent week decrease reps by 5, increase wgt by 5-10.
~after 4th block either continue with another block of 5 rep or do
negatives for a block
~take a full week off
~start over
~skip 15 rep block on second and subsequent cycles if no injuries.

I assume you don't have to re-establish your max wgts for subsequent
cycles but rather just add 5-10 lbs from last cycle.

and how do you use the calculator?

....and I guess you really only have to establish what your 15 rep max
wgts are, because you automatically add 5-10 lbs, right?

mulbish wrote:
> and how do you use the calculator?

It seems that HST is too complicated for you. How about you just follow
a couple of the basic principles and forget all about the 15,10,5
stuff? Do mainly compound exercises, full body workout 3 times per
week, 5-10 reps, and take a week off every couple of months. As long
as you eat enough, that should work just fine (assuming your goal is
increased muscle mass.)

geek_girl wrote:
> mulbish wrote:
> > and how do you use the calculator?
>
> It seems that HST is too complicated for you. How about you just follow
> a couple of the basic principles and forget all about the 15,10,5
> stuff? Do mainly compound exercises, full body workout 3 times per
> week, 5-10 reps, and take a week off every couple of months. As long
> as you eat enough, that should work just fine (assuming your goal is
> increased muscle mass.)

well, that's very kind of you to say so. 'acth! u could just point me
in the right direction or hint to where I have missed the point. I am
working off a couple of pages posted on a web site so far...but thanks.

for all others i found this site as well :
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/paul4.htm

it's claim of "HST for Dummies" is obviously what i need.

lucky(one) wrote:
> I have surfed around looking at HST and it sounds like good stuff but I
> can't seem to grasp just what the jist of it is.

Spend time at the site and keep reading it until
it comes to you.

There's a forum there where you can ask specific
questions and read more info.

> I am not one for real complicated routines and cycles.

But maybe you should be. Once you grasp it
it's not that difficult. Keep reading it
until you get it.

> If that is what it
> is maybe it just isn't for me.

It's only complicated until you understand it.
From then on it's easy--you go to the gym and
you do what you have to do each session just
like you always have. The difference is in
the planning. HST training is well planned.

> I'm not a complete dumbass or anything but
> maybe a little lazy when it comes to figuring this stuff out.

There is a bit of work and figuring that has
to be done. You have to choose your exercises,
do the work to figure out the maximum weights
for each rep range, and plan the actual workouts.

> Does anyone know of a site that just lays it out real simple like?

The HST site lays it out as simply as it can be
laid out. You have to individualize it yourself.

> Or does
> anyone care to explain it to me and others like me who might find this
> thread?

If you spend enough time on the HST site and forum,
you'll eventually get it. And in the meantime
just do the best you can. If you've been training
steadily with heavy weights lately, take two weeks
off. Spend that time studying HST.

> thanks in advance for any directions, advice, insight, insults, flames, or
> whatever.

You're welcome and good luck. Don't give up on HST.
It's a good system and is worth the time to learn.
--

"geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote:

>mulbish wrote:
>> and how do you use the calculator?
>
>It seems that HST is too complicated for you. How about you just follow
>a couple of the basic principles and forget all about the 15,10,5
>stuff? Do mainly compound exercises, full body workout 3 times per
>week, 5-10 reps, and take a week off every couple of months. As long
>as you eat enough, that should work just fine (assuming your goal is
>increased muscle mass.)

You're confusing the lad, Sarah Jane. Everybody knows that the spell
doesn't work without the complex magic rituals.

mulbish wrote:
> geek_girl wrote:
> > mulbish wrote:
> > > and how do you use the calculator?
> >
> > It seems that HST is too complicated for you. How about you just follow
> > a couple of the basic principles and forget all about the 15,10,5
> > stuff? Do mainly compound exercises, full body workout 3 times per
> > week, 5-10 reps, and take a week off every couple of months. As long
> > as you eat enough, that should work just fine (assuming your goal is
> > increased muscle mass.)
>
> well, that's very kind of you to say so. 'acth! u could just point me
> in the right direction or hint to where I have missed the point. I am
> working off a couple of pages posted on a web site so far...but thanks.
>
> for all others i found this site as well :
> http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/paul4.htm
>
> it's claim of "HST for Dummies" is obviously what i need.

Seriously, you don't have to do HST. If you can't figure it out from
the materials that you've already seen, then don't even bother. It's
not worth the effort. Just follow the basic principles - the ones I
already mentioned, plus the one I forgot to mention - add more weight
to the bar over time. You don't even have to increase the weight at
every workout, or even every week, just whenever you feel like you can.
It'll work just fine. It's worked for many, many people for many, many
years.

JMW wrote:
> "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >mulbish wrote:
> >> and how do you use the calculator?
> >
> >It seems that HST is too complicated for you. How about you just follow
> >a couple of the basic principles and forget all about the 15,10,5
> >stuff? Do mainly compound exercises, full body workout 3 times per
> >week, 5-10 reps, and take a week off every couple of months. As long
> >as you eat enough, that should work just fine (assuming your goal is
> >increased muscle mass.)
>
> You're confusing the lad, Sarah Jane. Everybody knows that the spell
> doesn't work without the complex magic rituals.

Bah. Consistency is the magic ingredient. Well, consistency and eye of
newt.

my question to you is what am I missing. you say it's too comfusing for me.
but I think i understand it and stated it pretty well in the e-mail you
replied to. If I've got it wrong or missed something please point it out
unless I am so far off it would just be too much work.

I do understand what you are saying about it working w/o all the detailed
stuff though. And that may be a better option.

"geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161365837.228869.199590@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
>
> JMW wrote:
>> "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >mulbish wrote:
>> >> and how do you use the calculator?
>> >
>> >It seems that HST is too complicated for you. How about you just follow
>> >a couple of the basic principles and forget all about the 15,10,5
>> >stuff? Do mainly compound exercises, full body workout 3 times per
>> >week, 5-10 reps, and take a week off every couple of months. As long
>> >as you eat enough, that should work just fine (assuming your goal is
>> >increased muscle mass.)
>>
>> You're confusing the lad, Sarah Jane. Everybody knows that the spell
>> doesn't work without the complex magic rituals.
>
> Bah. Consistency is the magic ingredient. Well, consistency and eye of
> newt.
>

lucky(one) (1) wrote:
> my question to you is what am I missing. you say it's too comfusing for me.
> but I think i understand it and stated it pretty well in the e-mail you
> replied to. If I've got it wrong or missed something please point it out
> unless I am so far off it would just be too much work.

I don't see where you stated it. I see a lot of questions, and a link
to an "HST for Dummies" website. Where you did you post that you
understand it?

> I do understand what you are saying about it working w/o all the detailed
> stuff though. And that may be a better option.

Yes.

>
> "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161365837.228869.199590@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
> >
> > JMW wrote:
> >> "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >mulbish wrote:
> >> >> and how do you use the calculator?
> >> >
> >> >It seems that HST is too complicated for you. How about you just follow
> >> >a couple of the basic principles and forget all about the 15,10,5
> >> >stuff? Do mainly compound exercises, full body workout 3 times per
> >> >week, 5-10 reps, and take a week off every couple of months. As long
> >> >as you eat enough, that should work just fine (assuming your goal is
> >> >increased muscle mass.)
> >>
> >> You're confusing the lad, Sarah Jane. Everybody knows that the spell
> >> doesn't work without the complex magic rituals.
> >
> > Bah. Consistency is the magic ingredient. Well, consistency and eye of
> > newt.
> >

>I don't see where you stated it. I see a lot of questions, >and a link
>to an "HST for Dummies" website. Where you did you >post that you
>understand it?


well, I think I know what the confusion may be....when I posted what I
understood, I did it from my pc @ work, and that was a web based response
via google where I am "mulbish"...sorry...see below:

Yeah, I had been to that link but found it a tough read, but I'll try
again.

hmmmm......this guy uses BIG words and technical terms that are beyond
my scope of knowledge but I think I've muddled through it.

HST:

~use mainly compound exercises
~determine 15, 10, 5 rep wgt max's
~cycle is 4 x 2 week blocks
~whole body workouts 3X a week (M,W,F)
~1-2 sets per exercise/?body part?
~start with 15 rep first block ending second week at max wgts increased
incrementally @ 5 lbs.
~subsequent week decrease reps by 5, increase wgt by 5-10.
~after 4th block either continue with another block of 5 rep or do
negatives for a block
~take a full week off
~start over
~skip 15 rep block on second and subsequent cycles if no injuries.

I assume you don't have to re-establish your max wgts for subsequent
cycles but rather just add 5-10 lbs from last cycle.

"geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161386565.381527.71000@e3g2000cwe.googlegrou ps.com...
>
> lucky(one) (1) wrote:
>> my question to you is what am I missing. you say it's too comfusing for
>> me.
>> but I think i understand it and stated it pretty well in the e-mail you
>> replied to. If I've got it wrong or missed something please point it out
>> unless I am so far off it would just be too much work.
>
> I don't see where you stated it. I see a lot of questions, and a link
> to an "HST for Dummies" website. Where you did you post that you
> understand it?
>
>> I do understand what you are saying about it working w/o all the detailed
>> stuff though. And that may be a better option.
>
> Yes.
>
>>
>> "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161365837.228869.199590@h48g2000cwc.googlegr oups.com...
>> >
>> > JMW wrote:
>> >> "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >mulbish wrote:
>> >> >> and how do you use the calculator?
>> >> >
>> >> >It seems that HST is too complicated for you. How about you just
>> >> >follow
>> >> >a couple of the basic principles and forget all about the 15,10,5
>> >> >stuff? Do mainly compound exercises, full body workout 3 times per
>> >> >week, 5-10 reps, and take a week off every couple of months. As long
>> >> >as you eat enough, that should work just fine (assuming your goal is
>> >> >increased muscle mass.)
>> >>
>> >> You're confusing the lad, Sarah Jane. Everybody knows that the spell
>> >> doesn't work without the complex magic rituals.
>> >
>> > Bah. Consistency is the magic ingredient. Well, consistency and eye of
>> > newt.
>> >
>

lucky(one) (1) wrote:
> >I don't see where you stated it. I see a lot of questions, >and a link
> >to an "HST for Dummies" website. Where you did you >post that you
> >understand it?
>
>
> well, I think I know what the confusion may be....when I posted what I
> understood, I did it from my pc @ work, and that was a web based response
> via google where I am "mulbish"...sorry...see below:

Oh, that. I figured out that you were mulbish, so that's not where the
confusion lies. The confusion lies in the fact that you posted your
list of HST principles, but subsequently posted a couple more questions
that indicated that you *didn't* really understand it.

ya know I usually do not engage in such drivel...but...I post a
complete list of the principles followed by a few questions and you
don't think I get it. Is your brain half full or half empty. Are you
just critical by nature. The list by itself should be evident that I
do in fact understand and I just have a few questions. I'll stop now
but do me one favor and do not reply to any of my post in the future.
THANK YOU.

geek_girl wrote:
> lucky(one) (1) wrote:
> > >I don't see where you stated it. I see a lot of questions, >and a link
> > >to an "HST for Dummies" website. Where you did you >post that you
> > >understand it?
> >
> >
> > well, I think I know what the confusion may be....when I posted what I
> > understood, I did it from my pc @ work, and that was a web based response
> > via google where I am "mulbish"...sorry...see below:
>
> Oh, that. I figured out that you were mulbish, so that's not where the
> confusion lies. The confusion lies in the fact that you posted your
> list of HST principles, but subsequently posted a couple more questions
> that indicated that you *didn't* really understand it.

"mulbish" <lucky1@insightbb.com> wrote in message
news:1161456528.500940.37180@i3g2000cwc.googlegrou ps.com...
> ya know I usually do not engage in such drivel...but...I post a
> complete list of the principles followed by a few questions and you
> don't think I get it. Is your brain half full or half empty. Are you
> just critical by nature. The list by itself should be evident that I
> do in fact understand and I just have a few questions. I'll stop now
> but do me one favor and do not reply to any of my post in the future.
> THANK YOU.
>
Relax there big guy.

Didn't you know that she was flirting with you?

mulbish wrote:
> ya know I usually do not engage in such drivel...but...I post a
> complete list of the principles followed by a few questions and you
> don't think I get it. Is your brain half full or half empty. Are you
> just critical by nature. The list by itself should be evident that I
> do in fact understand and I just have a few questions. I'll stop now
> but do me one favor and do not reply to any of my post in the future.
> THANK YOU.
>

The question about how to use the calculator clearly indicated that you
didn't really understand HST. If you truly understood the principles
rather than just being able to parrot them, the calculator would make
perfect sense to you.

Sorry, you don't get to control who does or does not respond to your
posts. In any case, you appear to be upset and I don't understand why.
I gave you some advice that was intended to be helpful. If you choose
not to see it that way, for whatever bizarre reasons you may have,
that's your problem. If you're so thin-skinned that you can't handle it
when people respond to what you wrote rather than what you wish you'd
written, then mfw is not the place for you.

mulbish wrote:

> ya know I usually do not engage in such drivel...

So you have something against drivel? What has drivel done to you?

> I'll stop now but do me one favor and do not reply to
> any of my post in the future.

This is Usenet and as such you don't get to choose who replies to your
posts, pal. You can, however, add/create/make/implement one of those
killfile doodads in order to filter out what or who you see has replied
to your posts. Cowardly in some ways, imo, but what some consider an
effective management tool as well.

> THANK YOU.

YOU'RE WELCOME!

--
Curt

"geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>If you truly understood the principles
>rather than just being able to parrot
>them, the calculator would make
>perfect sense to you.

It seems to me that MFW has recently become filled with "advisors" who
Google and parrot but have no real understanding of the underlying
subject matter.

John Williams wrote:
[...]

> It seems to me that MFW has recently become filled
> with "advisors" who Google and parrot but have no real
> understanding of the underlying subject matter.

If ooooonly everyone were just like you, Johnny.

(averts eyes)

We're not worthy!

--
Curt

Curt James wrote:
> John Williams wrote:
> [...]
>
> > It seems to me that MFW has recently become filled
> > with "advisors" who Google and parrot but have no real
> > understanding of the underlying subject matter.
>
> If ooooonly everyone were just like you, Johnny.

And up jumps the Crown Prince of Googled Cluelessness.

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:20:14 -0400, JMW
<jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

>"geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>If you truly understood the principles
>>rather than just being able to parrot
>>them, the calculator would make
>>perfect sense to you.
>
>It seems to me that MFW has recently become filled with "advisors" who
>Google and parrot but have no real understanding of the underlying
>subject matter.

Is that the same sort of thing as a tubby old man posting a link to a
video of him doing a deadlift hopelessly wrong?

Have a great weekend John - I am! ;o)

Charles wrote:
> On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:20:14 -0400, JMW
> <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
> >"geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>If you truly understood the principles
> >>rather than just being able to parrot
> >>them, the calculator would make
> >>perfect sense to you.
> >
> >It seems to me that MFW has recently become filled with "advisors" who
> >Google and parrot but have no real understanding of the underlying
> >subject matter.
>
> Is that the same sort of thing as a tubby old man ...

http://www.looevalleyrotary.org/JH%20Trafalgar.jpg

Yes.

On 21 Oct 2006 15:53:43 -0700, "JMW" <jmwilliams_56@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:20:14 -0400, JMW
><jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
>>"geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>If you truly understood the principles
>>>rather than just being able to parrot
>>>them, the calculator would make
>>>perfect sense to you.
>>
>>>It seems to me that MFW has recently become filled with "advisors" who
>>>Google and parrot but have no real understanding of the underlying
>>>subject matter.
>
>>Is that the same sort of thing as a tubby old man posting a link to a
>>video of him doing a deadlift hopelessly wrong?
>
>http://www.looevalleyrotary.org/JH%20Trafalgar.jpg
>
>Yes.

No that's me you old silly, and I was quite clearly chairing a
Trafalgar Night Dinner - not demonstrating a deadlift!!

This is the "tubby old man" I indicated, and here is that awful
deadlift again:

http://www.rustyiron.net/usapldl.htm

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA... er... etc.

Hoist by your own petard again fatty! ;o)

HAGW!

John Williams offered:
[...]

> http://www.looevalleyrotary.org/JH%20Trafalgar.jpg

[...]

Williams, you're not a Rotarian, are you?

That's okay. Neither am I.

Still, it seems rather absurd for you to use images of your seeming
opponents especially when they're decent pics. Hudson as a Rotarian is
a good image. And he looks even better as a person might truncate the
link you provided and see the good works his assocation contributes.

What is it again that you contribute?

Hth.

--
Curt

On 21 Oct 2006 16:13:59 -0700, "Curt James" <curtjames@gmail.com>
wrote:

>John Williams offered:
>[...]
>
>> http://www.looevalleyrotary.org/JH%20Trafalgar.jpg
>
>[...]
>
>Williams, you're not a Rotarian, are you?
>
>That's okay. Neither am I.
>
>Still, it seems rather absurd for you to use images of your seeming
>opponents especially when they're decent pics. Hudson as a Rotarian is
>a good image. And he looks even better as a person might truncate the
>link you provided and see the good works his assocation contributes.
>
>What is it again that you contribute?
>

He trundles that .jpeg out every time I make him look foolish,
apparently as some kind of fitting retaliation?? Go figure as you
Yanks say! ;o)

I have never posted that picture and he has simply stolen it off my
Rotary Club web site. As you rightly say, there really isn't too much
embarrassing about being President of a Rotary Club.

I doubt at his lowly station in life that he would be eligible to join
a Rotary Club, although his boss probably would.

Have a great weekend Curt - you know I am! ;o)

Curt James wrote:
> John Williams offered:
> [...]
>
> > http://www.looevalleyrotary.org/JH%20Trafalgar.jpg
>
> [...]
>
> Williams, you're not a Rotarian, are you?
>
> That's okay. Neither am I.
>
> Still, it seems rather absurd for you to use images of your seeming
> opponents especially when they're decent pics. Hudson as a Rotarian is
> a good image. And he looks even better as a person might truncate the
> link you provided and see the good works his assocation contributes.
>
> What is it again that you contribute?

That's a fair question, Curt, so I'll answer it.

I belong to a couple of national service organizations. I'm the
webmaster and a long-time Board member for the local chapter of one of
them and previously spent several years on the Board of the local
chapter of the other. Use your Googling talents to figure out what
those organization are.

And yes, I have been asked to stand for president of both local
chapters. I refused. If I don't have the time to devote to doing a
good job as an organization official, I won't even entertain the
possibility. Presidency of a service organization is about service,
not self-promotion.

I also think Hudson should run for president of Looe Valley Rotary
again. It would give him something to do other than drinking and
trolling on Usenet.

John Williams wrote:
> Curt James wrote:
> > John Williams wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > > It seems to me that MFW has recently become filled
> > > with "advisors" who Google and parrot but have no real
> > > understanding of the underlying subject matter.
> >
> > If ooooonly everyone were just like you, Johnny.
>
> And up jumps the Crown Prince of Googled Cluelessness.

That's nice, J Dubya. Keep up the good work there, pal!

Say, our mutual buddy, 'bert, may've seen you quote my text above. Hmm.
Wouldn't that make you a conduit? Tsk, tsk, Johnny.

Yup. You, John Williams, are indeed serving as a conduit (remember that
word?) for allowing my words - a so-called troll, according to you, one
of THE trolls, in fact, unless you've altered
your little troll faq - to bypass at least a few kill filters.

Conduit, conduit, conduit! Shhhh, Om's sleeping, but I think you owe
him an apology for that particular accusation or criticism. Ymmv,
obviously.

"However, you also seem to be one of the few remaining conduits for
quoting troll posts."

RING ANY BELLS?

Hey, the best solution may be to just put you on one of Forté Agent's
"timed killfiles" for a few days at a time and see how much of a
difference it makes, right? Right, Emmy? RIGHT?!!!!?!!

So, who's clueless? ;o)

See also:
http://groups.google.com/group/misc....0991b74b1c7c01


Hnh. And by your own definition, iirc, that'd also make you a troll
enabler.

David, you out there, brotha? MOVE OVER! YA GOT COMP'NY!!!!

Ref: http://www.rustyiron.net/trollfaq.htm
http://www.rustyiron.net/trollist.htm
http://www.fitnwell.net/mfw_troll_filter_faq.htm

--
Curt

John Williams wrote:
> Curt James wrote:
> > John Williams offered:
> > [...]
> >
> > > http://www.looevalleyrotary.org/JH%20Trafalgar.jpg
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Williams, you're not a Rotarian, are you?
> >
> > That's okay. Neither am I.
> >
> > Still, it seems rather absurd for you to use images of your seeming
> > opponents especially when they're decent pics. Hudson as a Rotarian is
> > a good image. And he looks even better as a person might truncate the
> > link you provided and see the good works his assocation contributes.
> >
> > What is it again that you contribute?
>
> That's a fair question, Curt, so I'll answer it.

heh

What's your criteria for fair questions as I believe you've avoided a
more than fair number in the past.

> I belong to a couple of national service organizations.

-=snipped the self-promotion=-

> Presidency of a service organization is about service,
> not self-promotion.

ahahahAHHA! Service and not self-promotion? So how do you balance that
alleged belief against tooting your own in an Internet newsgroup?

Like I said, if ooooonly everyone were just like you!

[...]

--
Curt

JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> writes:

> "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>If you truly understood the principles
>>rather than just being able to parrot
>>them, the calculator would make
>>perfect sense to you.
>
> It seems to me that MFW has recently become filled with "advisors"
> who Google and parrot but have no real understanding of the
> underlying subject matter.

Hey! I at least warn people that I probably don't know that the heck
I am talking about.

Jason

Jason Earl <jearl@xmission.com> wrote:

>JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> writes:
>
>> "geek_girl" <sarah.brilliant@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>If you truly understood the principles
>>>rather than just being able to parrot
>>>them, the calculator would make
>>>perfect sense to you.
>>
>> It seems to me that MFW has recently become filled with "advisors"
>> who Google and parrot but have no real understanding of the
>> underlying subject matter.
>
>Hey! I at least warn people that I probably don't know that the heck
>I am talking about.

I really don't see you doing that. I've read enough of your stuff to
know that you are interested in learning and can actually discuss the
subject matter. There's a difference.

Not long ago, someone (Will Brink maybe?) posted a link to a study
that established something which is actually rather intuitive: the
truly clueless don't even know that they're clueless. I'm starting to
see a lot of that.

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:20:14 -0400, JMW
<jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

>It seems to me that MFW has recently become filled with "advisors" who
>Google and parrot but have no real understanding of the underlying
>subject matter.

As opposed to you who knows all and says nothing.

On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 00:36:40 -0400, JMW
<jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

>Not long ago, someone (Will Brink maybe?) posted a link to a study
>that established something which is actually rather intuitive: the
>truly clueless don't even know that they're clueless. I'm starting to
>see a lot of that.

You are one of the most twisted people I have ever met on Usenet. You
spend time playing with Curt's nipples in Photoshop. Then post the
images up on your website so you can show everyone what you do in your
spare time. And we are the clueless ones?

On 21 Oct 2006 16:39:16 -0700, "JMW" <jmwilliams_56@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>Curt James wrote:
>> John Williams offered:
>> [...]
>>
>> > http://www.looevalleyrotary.org/JH%20Trafalgar.jpg
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Williams, you're not a Rotarian, are you?
>>
>> That's okay. Neither am I.
>>
>> Still, it seems rather absurd for you to use images of your seeming
>> opponents especially when they're decent pics. Hudson as a Rotarian is
>> a good image. And he looks even better as a person might truncate the
>> link you provided and see the good works his assocation contributes.
>>
>> What is it again that you contribute?
>
>That's a fair question, Curt, so I'll answer it.
>
>I belong to a couple of national service organizations. I'm the
>webmaster and a long-time Board member for the local chapter of one of
>them and previously spent several years on the Board of the local
>chapter of the other. Use your Googling talents to figure out what
>those organization are.
>
>And yes, I have been asked to stand for president of both local
>chapters. I refused. If I don't have the time to devote to doing a
>good job as an organization official, I won't even entertain the
>possibility. Presidency of a service organization is about service,
>not self-promotion.

As those of us who have done it, and continue so to do, can bear
witness!

>
>I also think Hudson should run for president of Looe Valley Rotary
>again. It would give him something to do other than drinking and
>trolling on Usenet.

I no longer live or work in the local area, which was where I lived
and farmed and had other business interests during the bulk of my
Armed Forces career, it being quite close to the Naval Dockyard in
Devonport. I'm still a member of the Club but don't attend as often as
I would like.

However, I have retained a home there, which we use on a regular basis
particularly in the summer. Of course, I belong to other organisations
but I would not be foolish enough to let you have details of those,
given your obsessive stalking predilections.

You would in no way be allowed entry to the most prestigious of my
interests, some of which involve a heavy commitment to the Livery
Companies of the City of London, and of course my London club.

My rugby club would of course welcome you with open arms, particularly
as some of them already know about you and your hilarious on-line
antics. They would gleefully beat most of the shit out of you and show
you just how tough you really are! Sadly, my playing days are coming
to an end and I have been shoved upstairs to the Committee, while also
achieving distinctive Alickadoo status! ;o)

I just thought I'd share that with you!

HAGS!

Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:20:14 -0400, JMW
><jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
>>It seems to me that MFW has recently become filled with "advisors" who
>>Google and parrot but have no real understanding of the underlying
>>subject matter.
>
>As opposed to you who knows all and says nothing.

What could one possibly say to you?