Know What I Noticed about DOMS?

I wonder if it may have something to do with food?

I ask 'cause it seems that when I go without food the day after a
workout (this has happened a few times throughout the years for various
reasons), I suddenly wind up with very mild DOMS. Now I'm not saying
that lack of food causes DOMS, but it does appear that not eating for a
day after rigorous physical exertion guarantees it for me. See, there
has been times when I've done baby workouts, not even a real workout to
be exact, but then I'm without food for the day after and then the next
day after that I start feeling mild DOMS. Then there are other times
when I've had harder-than-usual workouts, and eat regularly afterwards
(three square meals a day), and no DOMS at all. So I wonder if there
is some kind of a connection -- even if a mere correlation due to some
hidden variable -- between DOMS and food....

NYC XYZ wrote:
> I wonder if it may have something to do with food?
>
> I ask 'cause it seems that when I go without food the day after a
> workout (this has happened a few times throughout the years for various
> reasons), I suddenly wind up with very mild DOMS. Now I'm not saying
> that lack of food causes DOMS, but it does appear that not eating for a
> day after rigorous physical exertion guarantees it for me. See, there
> has been times when I've done baby workouts, not even a real workout to
> be exact, but then I'm without food for the day after and then the next
> day after that I start feeling mild DOMS. Then there are other times
> when I've had harder-than-usual workouts, and eat regularly afterwards
> (three square meals a day), and no DOMS at all. So I wonder if there
> is some kind of a connection -- even if a mere correlation due to some
> hidden variable -- between DOMS and food....

When I was eating the SAD diet, with a lot of refined carbs like pasta
and bread and I was eating less animal fats and proteins and trying to
lose weight, I would go on short bike rides to try to burn some
calories, I would get DOMS constantly. A couple of miles of biking
would hurt for a week. When I went low carb and started eating more
fresh whole food carbs and more fresh meats with lots of animal
proteins and fats, I found that I could bike hard and long with much
less incidence and intensity of DOMS. The difference was downright
startling. Needless to say, I bike a lot more now.

TC

NYC XYZ wrote:
> I wonder if it may have something to do with food?
> I ask 'cause it seems that when I go without food the day after a
> workout

<snip>

> is some kind of a connection -- even if a mere correlation due to some
> hidden variable -- between DOMS and food....

If you consume a handful of Branched Chain Amino Acids both before and
after a workout your DOMS will be significantly reduced. If it's not
eliminated, it will cut down the duration of the soreness by a very
noticeable amount.

Usually DOMS goes like this
Workout
+24 hours = a little bit sore
+24 hours = significantly sore
+24 hours = Can't sit down or bend over etc whereby in severe cases this
will then continue for the next day before starting to ease.

In my experience BCAA's will cut this time down by a day on a less
severe 3 day soreness.

Sadly they don't seem to have any benefit if taken as a cure rather than
a prevention though!

HTH
Pete

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Might be related to low electrolyte level?
Hard to imagine what else it could be.
The *damage* to muscle is done *at* the time of exercise.
The pain you experience is the inflammation/histidine/etc response, w/ WBCs,
etc. Which takes 8-36 hrs, depending depending.
How food plays out in that scenario is the question. Maybe some kind of low
level food allergy contributes to the above response.
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"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> I wonder if it may have something to do with food?
>
> I ask 'cause it seems that when I go without food the day after a
> workout (this has happened a few times throughout the years for various
> reasons), I suddenly wind up with very mild DOMS. Now I'm not saying
> that lack of food causes DOMS, but it does appear that not eating for a
> day after rigorous physical exertion guarantees it for me. See, there
> has been times when I've done baby workouts, not even a real workout to
> be exact, but then I'm without food for the day after and then the next
> day after that I start feeling mild DOMS. Then there are other times
> when I've had harder-than-usual workouts, and eat regularly afterwards
> (three square meals a day), and no DOMS at all. So I wonder if there
> is some kind of a connection -- even if a mere correlation due to some
> hidden variable -- between DOMS and food....
>
>

Meat is primarily BCAAs.
fwiw.
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> NYC XYZ wrote:
>> I wonder if it may have something to do with food?
>> I ask 'cause it seems that when I go without food the day after a
>> workout
>
> <snip>
>
>> is some kind of a connection -- even if a mere correlation due to some
>> hidden variable -- between DOMS and food....
>
> If you consume a handful of Branched Chain Amino Acids both before and
> after a workout your DOMS will be significantly reduced. If it's not
> eliminated, it will cut down the duration of the soreness by a very
> noticeable amount.
>
> Usually DOMS goes like this
> Workout
> +24 hours = a little bit sore
> +24 hours = significantly sore
> +24 hours = Can't sit down or bend over etc whereby in severe cases this
> will then continue for the next day before starting to ease.
>
> In my experience BCAA's will cut this time down by a day on a less severe
> 3 day soreness.
>
> Sadly they don't seem to have any benefit if taken as a cure rather than a
> prevention though!
>
> HTH
> Pete
>
> --
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> http://trade-price-supplements.co.uk - TRADE PRICED SUPPLEMENTS for ALL!
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> http://Water-Rower.co.uk - Worlds best prices on the Worlds best Rower.
>

"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> I wonder if it may have something to do with food?
>
> I ask 'cause it seems that when I go without food the day after a
> workout (this has happened a few times throughout the years for
> various
> reasons),

Why would you want to go without food after a workout in the first
place. Please don't suggest this is part a weight loss theme. If there
is a time to consume some carbs and protein it is within 15 minutes of
exercise. The object of exercise is to tear down muscles and THEN feed
them to help recovery and get stronger. Even whack jobs will resort to
steroids to push the recovery faster.

You body is telling you, 'FEED ME" and since you don't it can recover
quickly.

There are copiuos articles on replenishing starting within 15 minutes

-DF

Doug Freese wrote:
>
>
> Why would you want to go without food after a workout in the first
> place. Please don't suggest this is part a weight loss theme.

The US Army diet plan, I imagine! No, sometimes in the Army you're
just out in the field and there's no food (for example, I'd eat up all
three MREs at once, say). Or on my all-day bike rides when I'm in the
middle of nowhere. When I'd said "workout," I didn't necessarily mean
only in the gym!

> If there
> is a time to consume some carbs and protein it is within 15 minutes of
> exercise.

What??? 15!?!? The labels instruct "one hour" afterwards, and suggest
"three" for maximum effect....

> The object of exercise is to tear down muscles and THEN feed
> them to help recovery and get stronger. Even whack jobs will resort to
> steroids to push the recovery faster.

Yeah, but the muscles need food that fast? And what happens if it
doesn't get it?

I can't believe 7 million years of humanoid evolution has made for such
a fussy body!

> You body is telling you, 'FEED ME" and since you don't it can recover
> quickly.
>
> There are copiuos articles on replenishing starting within 15 minutes
>
> -DF

Okay, thanks....

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>
> Doug Freese wrote:
>>
>>
>> Why would you want to go without food after a workout in the first
>> place. Please don't suggest this is part a weight loss theme.
>
> The US Army diet plan, I imagine! No, sometimes in the Army you're
> just out in the field and there's no food (for example, I'd eat up all
> three MREs at once, say). Or on my all-day bike rides when I'm in the
> middle of nowhere. When I'd said "workout," I didn't necessarily mean
> only in the gym!
>
>> If there
>> is a time to consume some carbs and protein it is within 15 minutes of
>> exercise.
>
> What??? 15!?!? The labels instruct "one hour" afterwards, and suggest
> "three" for maximum effect....
>
>> The object of exercise is to tear down muscles and THEN feed
>> them to help recovery and get stronger. Even whack jobs will resort to
>> steroids to push the recovery faster.
>
> Yeah, but the muscles need food that fast? And what happens if it
> doesn't get it?
>
> I can't believe 7 million years of humanoid evolution has made for such
> a fussy body!

Excellent point.
But, the notion of optimizing anything, be it a robot or a body, is
inherently fussy.
The Q is, is optimization that important? What's the return on the effort
to optimize?
Often not worth the trouble. Found that out w/ protein combining (Diet fer
a Small Planet)
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>
>> You body is telling you, 'FEED ME" and since you don't it can recover
>> quickly.
>>
>> There are copiuos articles on replenishing starting within 15 minutes
>>
>> -DF
>
> Okay, thanks....
>
>

> "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1163287541.726188.224200@e3g2000cwe.googlegro ups.com...
>>
>> Doug Freese wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Why would you want to go without food after a workout in the first
>>> place. Please don't suggest this is part a weight loss theme.
>>
>> The US Army diet plan, I imagine! No, sometimes in the Army you're
>> just out in the field and there's no food (for example, I'd eat up
>> all
>> three MREs at once, say).

If does not mean it is proper eating adn in fact is abouyt the poorest.
In cases where you don't have access to food, you what ever you can.
When you do have a choice it is poor eating and poor recovery leading to
feeling like crap.

>> Or on my all-day bike rides when I'm in the
>> middle of nowhere. When I'd said "workout," I didn't necessarily
>> mean
>> only in the gym!

Make no difference. If you on a long bike ride and I mean more that a
hour and not just pedal glide, optimally you should be eating or at
least drinking a fluid even if Gatorade.


>> What??? 15!?!? The labels instruct "one hour" afterwards, and
>> suggest
>> "three" for maximum effect....

The labels on what? If you want fast recovery you should try munch
while exercising if possible and if not get it in as soon as possible
like start within 15 minutes. The came up with products like GU so you
can take them during and after exercise. Take gander at
http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0976.htm or
http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/muscle-recovery.html



>> Yeah, but the muscles need food that fast? And what happens if it
>> doesn't get it?

You reciver slower and depending on how much, you feel like crap and
where tis discussion started - you felt like crap.


>> I can't believe 7 million years of humanoid evolution has made for
>> such
>> a fussy body!

Who say it wasn't always there. With altletes being so $$ oriented
there are performance labs investigating how to maximize training(
eating, recovery) culminating with a race/meet/etc for years and years.

-DF