Medical update

Yesterday, i went to the hospital, AGAIN, to see if they can "fix" this
chronique fatique problem i have. I mean, its starting to get REALLY bad. It
more or less start to fuck everything up. And i really cant have that.

This time, i went to see a neurologist, who is also specialized in typical
sleep/wake problems.

At first his assistant examined me, just the usual stuff a neurologist does.
Lots of questions too. Kinda standard. After i was examined, the assistant
went to the doctor himself. After 5 minutes or so, he came in, and asked as
few weird questions.

He asked me if i ever woke up in a state where the mind is awake and the
body is not. IOW, you want to move but you cant.

?!?!?!

As a matter of fact, i have this ever since i was a child. I still have it
sometimes. Scary, but i am more or less used to it.

Just like i am used to the fact that i have dreams within a dream. I had a
triple once, which was quite scary...

Another question was that if i nap during the day, do i slide into a dream
immediately. Yes again.

He also asked if i had dreams where i was aware that i am dreaming. Yes
again.

And a few other questions related to my dreamscape. All yes.

?!?!?!

But what the hell did it have to with me being tired all the time ?!?!?!

The doc told me that the signs i have, could be related to a form of
narcolepsy, and that that form could also trigger OSAS, which was diagnosed
in 2004.

April 5, i am going to the hospital a few days. They are going to hook me up
to a computer again, and see whats going on inside my brain when i sleep.

I am slowly morphing into David Patrick Kelly. But i am better than he ever
was. Watch out, guys!

The good news is that if i actually have this form of narcolepsy, there are
medications, specific ones for during the day, and during the night.

And maybe i can actually solve this **FUCKING** PROBLEM for once and for
all!

;-)

--
Pete

Pete wrote:
> Yesterday, i went to the hospital, AGAIN,
> to see if they can "fix" this chronique fatique
> problem i have.<snip>
> This time, i went to see a neurologist, who
> is also specialized in typical sleep/wake
> problems.
[...]

> few weird questions.<snip>
> dreams within a dream. <snip>
> And a few other questions related to my
> dreamscape. All yes.
>
> ?!?!?!
>
> But what the hell did it have to with me
> being tired all the time ?!?!?!
>
> The doc told me that the signs i have, could
> be related to a form of narcolepsy,

There you have it. You've answered your own question. I remember an
episode of Kolchak with a guy who was committing murders, psychically/
spiritually/mentally(?) while in a deep sleep. They had him being
monitored at a sleep clinic, but his spirit or mental powers was
skipping around town offing people.

You don't, by any chance, ride around town on your bike with an AK47,
do you? S

> and that that form could also trigger
> OSAS, which was diagnosed in 2004.
>
> April 5, i am going to the hospital a few days.
> They are going to hook me up to a computer
> again, and see whats going on inside my
> brain when i sleep.
[...]

There's a sleep clinic sign posted at then entrance to the medical
center where I attend PT. So far, I haven't heard any hideous
screaming or any other cause for alarm.

Seriously, wishing you the best result and some good rest, Pete.

--
Curt

"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> schreef:

>> The doc told me that the signs i have, could
>> be related to a form of narcolepsy,

> There you have it. You've answered your own question. I remember an
> episode of Kolchak with a guy who was committing murders, psychically/
> spiritually/mentally(?) while in a deep sleep. They had him being
> monitored at a sleep clinic, but his spirit or mental powers was
> skipping around town offing people.

> You don't, by any chance, ride around town on your bike with an AK47,
> do you? S

No, but i survived being shot with one. But then again, i survived plane
crashes and direct nucleur hits.

Sometimes i squat, on the sidewalk, wearing underwear, with 200 kilo, for
high reps.
The people who walk by, just... walk by.

Scary, isnt it?
Whats even more scary is that the last 2 hours, i googled some stuff up. I
dont have all the signs, but most of them.

Like this typical writing problem. I usually start out with clear letters,
but at the end you can hardly read it.
And some other things start to make sense.

>> and that that form could also trigger
>> OSAS, which was diagnosed in 2004.

>> April 5, i am going to the hospital a few days.
>> They are going to hook me up to a computer
>> again, and see whats going on inside my
>> brain when i sleep.
> [...]

> There's a sleep clinic sign posted at then entrance to the medical
> center where I attend PT. So far, I haven't heard any hideous
> screaming or any other cause for alarm.

> Seriously, wishing you the best result and some good rest, Pete.

Hope so. Would be terrible if they give me falso hope, again.

If they diagnose me properly this time, and find a way to cure it, i still
feel like i have lost 15 years of my life.
Thas a lotta years. I did start to complain about this problem 15 years ago.

But they didnt take me seriously. Nice. Real nice.
The way i feel at this moment, is that i havent slept at all for 2 months or
so. I just type these sentences on automatic pilot. I do everything on
automatic pilot.

They better not dissapoint me this time. I can take alot but...
But i try to stay positive.

--
Pete

In article <4600f9f5$0$82441$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl>,
"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

> The doc told me that the signs i have, could be related to a form of
> narcolepsy, and that that form could also trigger OSAS, which was diagnosed
> in 2004.
>
> April 5, i am going to the hospital a few days. They are going to hook me up
> to a computer again, and see whats going on inside my brain when i sleep.
>
> I am slowly morphing into David Patrick Kelly. But i am better than he ever
> was. Watch out, guys!
>
> The good news is that if i actually have this form of narcolepsy, there are
> medications, specific ones for during the day, and during the night.
>
> And maybe i can actually solve this **FUCKING** PROBLEM for once and for
> all!
>
> ;-)
>
> --
> Pete

Best of luck Pete! :-)

My doc Dx'd me with mild positional narcolepsy that causes me to want to
snooze off if I sit in one position too long without moving... and that
mainly affects me on the freeway.

It's why I'm on Adderall. I don't have ADD... It works if I time it like
I'm supposed to.

It also happens sometimes if I have the time to read at work (which is
NOT during the flu' season!). I can lay my head down on a desk and
snooze off instantly, and DREAM right away even with just a 5 minute nap.

Hope he can help you!
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In article <46011e3e$0$5824$dbd4b001@news.wanadoo.nl>,
"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

> They better not dissapoint me this time. I can take alot but...
> But i try to stay positive.
>
> --
> Pete

The right Doctor is the right Doctor.

Sometimes it takes a few years to find one. :-)
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In news:4600f9f5$0$82441$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl,
Pete <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> typed:

[...]

Pete, it all sounds quite promising - at last ! Keep us updated...

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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:13:45 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>Yesterday, i went to the hospital, AGAIN, to see if they can "fix" this
>chronique fatique problem i have. I mean, its starting to get REALLY bad. It
>more or less start to fuck everything up. And i really cant have that.
>
>This time, i went to see a neurologist, who is also specialized in typical
>sleep/wake problems.
>
>At first his assistant examined me, just the usual stuff a neurologist does.
>Lots of questions too. Kinda standard. After i was examined, the assistant
>went to the doctor himself. After 5 minutes or so, he came in, and asked as
>few weird questions.
>
>He asked me if i ever woke up in a state where the mind is awake and the
>body is not. IOW, you want to move but you cant.
>
>?!?!?!
>
>As a matter of fact, i have this ever since i was a child. I still have it
>sometimes. Scary, but i am more or less used to it.
>
>Just like i am used to the fact that i have dreams within a dream. I had a
>triple once, which was quite scary...
>
>Another question was that if i nap during the day, do i slide into a dream
>immediately. Yes again.
>
>He also asked if i had dreams where i was aware that i am dreaming. Yes
>again.
>
>And a few other questions related to my dreamscape. All yes.
>
>?!?!?!
>
>But what the hell did it have to with me being tired all the time ?!?!?!
>
>The doc told me that the signs i have, could be related to a form of
>narcolepsy, and that that form could also trigger OSAS, which was diagnosed
>in 2004.
>
>April 5, i am going to the hospital a few days. They are going to hook me up
>to a computer again, and see whats going on inside my brain when i sleep.
>
>I am slowly morphing into David Patrick Kelly. But i am better than he ever
>was. Watch out, guys!
>
>The good news is that if i actually have this form of narcolepsy, there are
>medications, specific ones for during the day, and during the night.
>
>And maybe i can actually solve this **FUCKING** PROBLEM for once and for
>all!
>
>;-)

Pete are you sure you just don't need more fiber in your diet? Most
everything you say about your health suggests that. Try these things
on some chosen day: eat 1/2 a cantaloupe, do some weighted squats,
take a warm bath. Either that day or the next you should have a good
crap. See how you feel after and if you sleep a little better.

"Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> schreef:

>> The good news is that if i actually have this form of narcolepsy, there
>> are
>> medications, specific ones for during the day, and during the night.

>> And maybe i can actually solve this **FUCKING** PROBLEM for once and for
>> all!

> Best of luck Pete! :-)

Thanks, appreciated.

> My doc Dx'd me with mild positional narcolepsy that causes me to want to
> snooze off if I sit in one position too long without moving... and that
> mainly affects me on the freeway.

> It's why I'm on Adderall. I don't have ADD... It works if I time it like
> I'm supposed to.

> It also happens sometimes if I have the time to read at work (which is
> NOT during the flu' season!). I can lay my head down on a desk and
> snooze off instantly, and DREAM right away even with just a 5 minute nap.

Thats exactly what happens to me in the afternoon. Around 3-5pm, i start to
get sleepy, and slight into a dream. I wake up after a few minutes,
dissoriented, scared, and with an elevated heart beat. Which make me feel
more tired.

Its a lose/lose situation.

> Hope he can help you!

Would be nice.

I am scheduled for april 5, and the next time i see him is may 8.
Which from my point of view is very long, since things are getting worse
each week.

--
Pete

"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> schreef:

>>The good news is that if i actually have this form of narcolepsy, there
>>are
>>medications, specific ones for during the day, and during the night.

>>And maybe i can actually solve this **FUCKING** PROBLEM for once and for
>>all!

> Pete are you sure you just don't need more fiber in your diet?

I really dont know. Its getting confusing, since disorders like this cause
depression-like symptoms, and that may affect digestion, and the typical
bloated feeling. I really dont know what is causing what anymore.

> Most everything you say about your health suggests that.

It does?

I really dont know. I am tired for many many years now. I worked 60 hours a
week when i was tired. My stomach problems are quite recent, so i really
dont know.

> Try these things
> on some chosen day: eat 1/2 a cantaloupe, do some weighted squats,
> take a warm bath. Either that day or the next you should have a good
> crap. See how you feel after and if you sleep a little better.

I will try anything.
I still take MetaMucil. Thats fiber, isnt it? Can the body tell the
difference between that and more vegetables?

I will do anything for a good night sleep. Well, almost anything... ;-O

--
Pete

"Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> schreef:

> [...]

> Pete, it all sounds quite promising - at last ! Keep us updated...

Thanks!

Will do.

--
Pete

In article <46023cbe$0$88691$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl>,
"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

> "Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> schreef:
>
> >> The good news is that if i actually have this form of narcolepsy, there
> >> are
> >> medications, specific ones for during the day, and during the night.
>
> >> And maybe i can actually solve this **FUCKING** PROBLEM for once and for
> >> all!
>
> > Best of luck Pete! :-)
>
> Thanks, appreciated.
>
> > My doc Dx'd me with mild positional narcolepsy that causes me to want to
> > snooze off if I sit in one position too long without moving... and that
> > mainly affects me on the freeway.
>
> > It's why I'm on Adderall. I don't have ADD... It works if I time it like
> > I'm supposed to.
>
> > It also happens sometimes if I have the time to read at work (which is
> > NOT during the flu' season!). I can lay my head down on a desk and
> > snooze off instantly, and DREAM right away even with just a 5 minute nap.
>
> Thats exactly what happens to me in the afternoon. Around 3-5pm, i start to
> get sleepy, and slight into a dream. I wake up after a few minutes,
> dissoriented, scared, and with an elevated heart beat. Which make me feel
> more tired.

I never wake up scared, just a bit drowsy. Goes away when I get up and
move around. Changing positions in the truck when I'm driving also helps
drive off the snoozies if I have not taken my adderal.

Do you crave carbs when you wake up perchance?
Have you been checked for hypoglycemia?

My issue does not involve any set times... Yours might be related to
post-lunch?

Just a thought.

A 4 hour glucose tolerance test could Dx that. Docs rarely use
the 4 hour one anymore, but I've read that that is the best way to rule
out that problem.

>
> Its a lose/lose situation.
>
> > Hope he can help you!
>
> Would be nice.
>
> I am scheduled for april 5, and the next time i see him is may 8.
> Which from my point of view is very long, since things are getting worse
> each week.

Do you sleep at night, at all?
How long? Be sure to share that info. with your doc. :-)
Have you been checked for sleep apnea?

Again, good luck!


>
> --
> Pete
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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007, Pete wrote:

> The doc told me that the signs i have, could be related to a form of
> narcolepsy, and that that form could also trigger OSAS, which was
> diagnosed in 2004.

A plausible diagnosis! This is good news for you, old chap.
Congratulations!

tom

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Dnia 2007-03-21 Pete napisa³(a):

> The good news is that if i actually have this form of narcolepsy, there are
> medications, specific ones for during the day, and during the night.
>
> And maybe i can actually solve this **FUCKING** PROBLEM for once and for
> all!
>
> ;-)

This is really great news. Whatever they will give you, I'm interested
to know how it works. Maybe I will try them... ;-)

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On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:13:45 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>Yesterday, i went to the hospital, AGAIN, to see if they can "fix" this
>chronique fatique problem i have. I mean, its starting to get REALLY bad. It
>more or less start to fuck everything up. And i really cant have that.
>
>This time, i went to see a neurologist, who is also specialized in typical
>sleep/wake problems.
>

I have not been following this but i assume you were checked out for
sleep apnea?

Dreaming is the kind of thing your body "builds up" a need for so if
you're consistently denied dreaming you'll start doing so as soon as
possible.

Anyway, keep us updated and good luck!

JH

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In article <d0h503tgsld8j61t9kh04lpc1pv4rfp9ap@4ax.com>,
Joe Humble <joehumble@earthlink.net> wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Mar 2007 10:13:45 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
> wrote:
>
> >Yesterday, i went to the hospital, AGAIN, to see if they can "fix" this
> >chronique fatique problem i have. I mean, its starting to get REALLY bad. It
> >more or less start to fuck everything up. And i really cant have that.
> >
> >This time, i went to see a neurologist, who is also specialized in typical
> >sleep/wake problems.
> >
>
> I have not been following this but i assume you were checked out for
> sleep apnea?
>
> Dreaming is the kind of thing your body "builds up" a need for so if
> you're consistently denied dreaming you'll start doing so as soon as
> possible.
>
> Anyway, keep us updated and good luck!
>
> JH
>

Indeed...

I think that is why one of the more notable side effects of Melatonin
for Insomnia is lots of weird dreams. Not nightmares per se', just weird
stuff.

And it's a side effect that goes away after a bit of time if it work for
you.
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"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
news:4600f9f5$0$82441$dbd43001@news.wanadoo.nl...
> Yesterday, i went to the hospital, AGAIN, to see if they can "fix" this
> chronique fatique problem i have. I mean, its starting to get REALLY bad.
> It more or less start to fuck everything up. And i really cant have that.
>
> This time, i went to see a neurologist, who is also specialized in typical
> sleep/wake problems.
>
> At first his assistant examined me, just the usual stuff a neurologist
> does. Lots of questions too. Kinda standard. After i was examined, the
> assistant went to the doctor himself. After 5 minutes or so, he came in,
> and asked as few weird questions.
>
> He asked me if i ever woke up in a state where the mind is awake and the
> body is not. IOW, you want to move but you cant.
>
> ?!?!?!
>
> As a matter of fact, i have this ever since i was a child. I still have it
> sometimes. Scary, but i am more or less used to it.
>
> Just like i am used to the fact that i have dreams within a dream. I had a
> triple once, which was quite scary...
>
> Another question was that if i nap during the day, do i slide into a dream
> immediately. Yes again.
>
> He also asked if i had dreams where i was aware that i am dreaming. Yes
> again.
>
> And a few other questions related to my dreamscape. All yes.
>
> ?!?!?!
>
> But what the hell did it have to with me being tired all the time ?!?!?!
>
> The doc told me that the signs i have, could be related to a form of
> narcolepsy, and that that form could also trigger OSAS, which was
> diagnosed in 2004.
>
> April 5, i am going to the hospital a few days. They are going to hook me
> up to a computer again, and see whats going on inside my brain when i
> sleep.
>
> I am slowly morphing into David Patrick Kelly. But i am better than he
> ever was. Watch out, guys!
>
> The good news is that if i actually have this form of narcolepsy, there
> are medications, specific ones for during the day, and during the night.
>
> And maybe i can actually solve this **FUCKING** PROBLEM for once and for
> all!
>
> ;-)
>
> --
> Pete
>

Good luck with this. There is NOTHING worse than not being able to sleep. My
legal problems with the pain meds all stemmed from me having Restless Leg
Syndrome. Not sleeping well will literally drive you nuts. :-)



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On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:19:58 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> schreef:
>
>>>The good news is that if i actually have this form of narcolepsy, there
>>>are
>>>medications, specific ones for during the day, and during the night.
>
>>>And maybe i can actually solve this **FUCKING** PROBLEM for once and for
>>>all!
>
>> Pete are you sure you just don't need more fiber in your diet?
>
>I really dont know. Its getting confusing, since disorders like this cause
>depression-like symptoms, and that may affect digestion, and the typical
>bloated feeling. I really dont know what is causing what anymore.

It can certainly get confusing with general symptoms like this. I
just think doctors try to make things too complex with their
diagnosis. They diagnosis the illness and medicate it. Rather than
find the cause and a solution to deal with it.

>> Most everything you say about your health suggests that.
>
>It does?

Well you where saying before you doctor recommended more carbs. Most
people don't get nearly enough fiber as it is. If you start
eliminating carbs you may be getting very little. You can just add up
a typical day and see for yourself. Lack of fiber can cause
sluggishness, digestive problems, and tiredness. And those things can
have some effect on dream patterns. If you are exercising and eating
good foods it may not be as bad. But I think stuff like this just
depends on the person too.

>I really dont know. I am tired for many many years now. I worked 60 hours a
>week when i was tired. My stomach problems are quite recent, so i really
>dont know.

There are many things can make a person tired. I found about sugar
problems when I was younger which was making me tired all the time.
My sister inlaw has an iron deficiency which I guess if your women
lets you stay home instead of work. And yeah even depression or
stress can make a person tired. I doubt you have an iron deficiency
if you are eating any red meat. Women are more susceptible to that
anyway. Blood sugar is more related to someone who binges on sweats.

So I guess looking at what you describe I would expect stress to be a
factor. You could start by making sure you are getting enough
vitamins. Stress can deplete them and if you are not getting enough
fruits and vegetables you could be lacking. You can also try to do
things to relieve stress. Baths and massages can feel pretty good.
So can just getting out and doing some stuff for yourself.

>> Try these things
>> on some chosen day: eat 1/2 a cantaloupe, do some weighted squats,
>> take a warm bath. Either that day or the next you should have a good
>> crap. See how you feel after and if you sleep a little better.
>
>I will try anything.
>I still take MetaMucil. Thats fiber, isnt it? Can the body tell the
>difference between that and more vegetables?
>
>I will do anything for a good night sleep. Well, almost anything... ;-O

Well according a book I am reading they are not the same. And I
tended to feel bloated when I tried fiber supplements. Take a look at
your overall diet for a day and see what you are getting first. There
are high fiber cereals and even beans can be a good source. It
doesn't have to all come from fruit and vegetables. And not all
fruits and vegetables are good on fiber anyway.

On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:11:52 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> schreef:
>
>>> The good news is that if i actually have this form of narcolepsy, there
>>> are
>>> medications, specific ones for during the day, and during the night.
>
>>> And maybe i can actually solve this **FUCKING** PROBLEM for once and for
>>> all!
>
>> Best of luck Pete! :-)
>
>Thanks, appreciated.
>
>> My doc Dx'd me with mild positional narcolepsy that causes me to want to
>> snooze off if I sit in one position too long without moving... and that
>> mainly affects me on the freeway.
>
>> It's why I'm on Adderall. I don't have ADD... It works if I time it like
>> I'm supposed to.
>
>> It also happens sometimes if I have the time to read at work (which is
>> NOT during the flu' season!). I can lay my head down on a desk and
>> snooze off instantly, and DREAM right away even with just a 5 minute nap.
>
>Thats exactly what happens to me in the afternoon. Around 3-5pm, i start to
>get sleepy, and slight into a dream. I wake up after a few minutes,
>dissoriented, scared, and with an elevated heart beat. Which make me feel
>more tired.
>
>Its a lose/lose situation.
>
>> Hope he can help you!
>
>Would be nice.
>
>I am scheduled for april 5, and the next time i see him is may 8.
>Which from my point of view is very long, since things are getting worse
>each week.

If it is the same time each day it doesn't seem like it would be
narcolepsy. I think they can fall asleep almost any time.

"Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> schreef:

>> Thats exactly what happens to me in the afternoon. Around 3-5pm, i start
>> to
>> get sleepy, and slight into a dream. I wake up after a few minutes,
>> dissoriented, scared, and with an elevated heart beat. Which make me feel
>> more tired.

> I never wake up scared, just a bit drowsy. Goes away when I get up and
> move around. Changing positions in the truck when I'm driving also helps
> drive off the snoozies if I have not taken my adderal.

I googled that one. They dont have that one here.

> Do you crave carbs when you wake up perchance?

No, but i am very thirsty. And my first choice is usually a sweet fruit
juice.

> Have you been checked for hypoglycemia?

A long time ago, not recent. But they will do that also on April 5, when i
attend the hospital.

> My issue does not involve any set times... Yours might be related to
> post-lunch?

Not really, but i know what you mean. I usually have that after a huge plate
of spaghetti.

What i experience in the afternoon is more related to my absence of Nrem or
phase 4, or delta sleep.

> A 4 hour glucose tolerance test could Dx that. Docs rarely use
> the 4 hour one anymore, but I've read that that is the best way to rule
> out that problem.

I think they will do that.

>> I am scheduled for april 5, and the next time i see him is may 8.
>> Which from my point of view is very long, since things are getting worse
>> each week.

> Do you sleep at night, at all?

Well, last night i slept from 1 to 8am. I woke up at aprox. 5, 6 and 7am,
after which i have a hard to get to sleep again. It feels like my brain is
going overtime. This may sound weird, but i thoughts in the early morning
that feel as if they are not mine. I think i wake up from a dream and the
brain is still going. This dissorients me and scares me. It takes at least
10-15 minutes to get the heart rate normal.

> How long?

Anything from 6-9 hours, which seems normal. But mostly Rem. No Nrem. No
deep sleep.
With 10-20 dreams. I wake up exhausted. Took a massive cup of coffee. Which
doesnt work as it did in the past.

> Be sure to share that info. with your doc. :-)

Sure. And they hook me up anyway. I believe they will let me sleep during
the day, with intervals. I believe they want to see what goes on in my brain
when i fall asleep, and the 2 hours after. They repeat that 3-4 times.

> Have you been checked for sleep apnea?

Yes. 3 times. First time i had a 26 AHI index. Which is scary, since my
oxygen dropped to 78%.

They also confirmed that my sleeping pattern was completely fragmented. No
deep sleep whatsoever.
The doctor i saw last time said that this could be related to a form of
narcolepsy.

--
Pete

"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> schreef:

>>I really dont know. Its getting confusing, since disorders like this cause
>>depression-like symptoms, and that may affect digestion, and the typical
>>bloated feeling. I really dont know what is causing what anymore.

> It can certainly get confusing with general symptoms like this. I
> just think doctors try to make things too complex with their
> diagnosis. They diagnosis the illness and medicate it. Rather than
> find the cause and a solution to deal with it.

Well, i have been googling a few days now, and some people seem to lack a
certain protein in the brain.

Hypocretin, i believe.

>>> Most everything you say about your health suggests that.

>>It does?

> Well you where saying before you doctor recommended more carbs.

Yes. But that was to fix my alleged weight problem. Less protein, more
carbs.

> Most people don't get nearly enough fiber as it is. If you start
> eliminating carbs you may be getting very little. You can just add up
> a typical day and see for yourself. Lack of fiber can cause
> sluggishness, digestive problems, and tiredness. And those things can
> have some effect on dream patterns.

I really dont know.
I will make a few adustments in my diet. I consume mostly healthy foods at
home.

I never eat candy or other sugary things. I will try to add some more fiber.

> If you are exercising and eating
> good foods it may not be as bad. But I think stuff like this just
> depends on the person too.

I will give it a try. I dont have anything to lose.

> There are many things can make a person tired. I found about sugar
> problems when I was younger which was making me tired all the time.
> My sister inlaw has an iron deficiency which I guess if your women
> lets you stay home instead of work. And yeah even depression or
> stress can make a person tired.

This is what i mean. Does a depression cause a weird sleeping pattern and
makes you tired?

Or does a fucked sleeping pattern cause depression? And cause stress bacause
you feel tired? And so on. What causes what?

> I doubt you have an iron deficiency
> if you are eating any red meat. Women are more susceptible to that
> anyway. Blood sugar is more related to someone who binges on sweats.

No sweats.

> So I guess looking at what you describe I would expect stress to be a
> factor. You could start by making sure you are getting enough
> vitamins. Stress can deplete them and if you are not getting enough
> fruits and vegetables you could be lacking. You can also try to do
> things to relieve stress. Baths and massages can feel pretty good.
> So can just getting out and doing some stuff for yourself.

I tried that. The problem is, even when relaxed, the brain goes overtime in
my sleep.

>>I will try anything.
>>I still take MetaMucil. Thats fiber, isnt it? Can the body tell the
>>difference between that and more vegetables?

>>I will do anything for a good night sleep. Well, almost anything... ;-O

> Well according a book I am reading they are not the same. And I
> tended to feel bloated when I tried fiber supplements. Take a look at
> your overall diet for a day and see what you are getting first. There
> are high fiber cereals and even beans can be a good source. It
> doesn't have to all come from fruit and vegetables. And not all
> fruits and vegetables are good on fiber anyway.

Well, i will give it a try. See how that goes.

--
Pete

"Joe Humble" <joehumble@earthlink.net> schreef:

>>This time, i went to see a neurologist, who is also specialized in typical
>>sleep/wake problems.

> I have not been following this but i assume you were checked out for
> sleep apnea?

Several times.

They diagosed me with OSAS in 2004. And 2 tests in 2005 confirmed it.

> Dreaming is the kind of thing your body "builds up" a need for so if
> you're consistently denied dreaming you'll start doing so as soon as
> possible.

I have 10-20 dreams each night. I am not sure if i need them, but i sure as
hell dont want them.
I feel as if i was busy all night, instead of resting.

> Anyway, keep us updated and good luck!

I will. Thanks.

--
Pete

"Hard Bop Drums" <nospam@hardbopdrums.com> schreef:

>> The good news is that if i actually have this form of narcolepsy, there
>> are medications, specific ones for during the day, and during the night.

>> And maybe i can actually solve this **FUCKING** PROBLEM for once and for
>> all!

> Good luck with this. There is NOTHING worse than not being able to sleep.
> My legal problems with the pain meds all stemmed from me having Restless
> Leg Syndrome. Not sleeping well will literally drive you nuts. :-)

I used to laugh about sleep deprevation as a means of torture.

So you get sleepy, big deal. Right?

Well, i know better now. Besides going crazy, it can also give you anxiety.

--
Pete

"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
news:46038d73$1$72366$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl...
> "Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> schreef:
>
>>>I really dont know. Its getting confusing, since disorders like this
>>>cause
>>>depression-like symptoms, and that may affect digestion, and the typical
>>>bloated feeling. I really dont know what is causing what anymore.
>
>> It can certainly get confusing with general symptoms like this. I
>> just think doctors try to make things too complex with their
>> diagnosis. They diagnosis the illness and medicate it. Rather than
>> find the cause and a solution to deal with it.
>
> Well, i have been googling a few days now, and some people seem to lack a
> certain protein in the brain.
>
> Hypocretin, i believe.
>
>>>> Most everything you say about your health suggests that.
>
>>>It does?
>
>> Well you where saying before you doctor recommended more carbs.
>
> Yes. But that was to fix my alleged weight problem. Less protein, more
> carbs.
>
>> Most people don't get nearly enough fiber as it is. If you start
>> eliminating carbs you may be getting very little. You can just add up
>> a typical day and see for yourself. Lack of fiber can cause
>> sluggishness, digestive problems, and tiredness. And those things can
>> have some effect on dream patterns.
>
> I really dont know.
> I will make a few adustments in my diet. I consume mostly healthy foods at
> home.
>
> I never eat candy or other sugary things. I will try to add some more
> fiber.
>
>> If you are exercising and eating
>> good foods it may not be as bad. But I think stuff like this just
>> depends on the person too.
>
> I will give it a try. I dont have anything to lose.
>
>> There are many things can make a person tired. I found about sugar
>> problems when I was younger which was making me tired all the time.
>> My sister inlaw has an iron deficiency which I guess if your women
>> lets you stay home instead of work. And yeah even depression or
>> stress can make a person tired.
>
> This is what i mean. Does a depression cause a weird sleeping pattern and
> makes you tired?
>
> Or does a fucked sleeping pattern cause depression? And cause stress
> bacause
> you feel tired? And so on. What causes what?
>
>> I doubt you have an iron deficiency
>> if you are eating any red meat. Women are more susceptible to that
>> anyway. Blood sugar is more related to someone who binges on sweats.
>
> No sweats.
>
>> So I guess looking at what you describe I would expect stress to be a
>> factor. You could start by making sure you are getting enough
>> vitamins. Stress can deplete them and if you are not getting enough
>> fruits and vegetables you could be lacking. You can also try to do
>> things to relieve stress. Baths and massages can feel pretty good.
>> So can just getting out and doing some stuff for yourself.
>
> I tried that. The problem is, even when relaxed, the brain goes overtime
> in my sleep.
>
>>>I will try anything.
>>>I still take MetaMucil. Thats fiber, isnt it? Can the body tell the
>>>difference between that and more vegetables?
>
>>>I will do anything for a good night sleep. Well, almost anything... ;-O
>
>> Well according a book I am reading they are not the same. And I
>> tended to feel bloated when I tried fiber supplements. Take a look at
>> your overall diet for a day and see what you are getting first. There
>> are high fiber cereals and even beans can be a good source. It
>> doesn't have to all come from fruit and vegetables. And not all
>> fruits and vegetables are good on fiber anyway.
>
> Well, i will give it a try. See how that goes.
>

Are you still taking a cocktail of drugs, steroids etc? That might be
affecting your sleep
If you get very thirsty and pee a lot check your blood sugar as it is a
symptom of diabetes

> --
> Pete
>

"David" <forgotwhy@yahoo.com.au> schreef:

> Are you still taking a cocktail of drugs, steroids etc?

No, i am clean as a baby. Not even Primo.

> That might be affecting your sleep
> If you get very thirsty and pee a lot check your blood sugar as it is a
> symptom of diabetes

Will do.

--
Pete

"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> schreef:

>> And maybe i can actually solve this **FUCKING** PROBLEM for once and for
>> all!

> This is really great news. Whatever they will give you, I'm interested
> to know how it works. Maybe I will try them... ;-)

I just hope they dont get my hopes up, and then dissapoint me. That happened
before.

--
Pete

Dnia 2007-03-23 Pete napisa³(a):
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
>>> And maybe i can actually solve this **FUCKING** PROBLEM for once and for
>>> all!
>
>> This is really great news. Whatever they will give you, I'm interested
>> to know how it works. Maybe I will try them... ;-)
>
> I just hope they dont get my hopes up, and then dissapoint me. That happened
> before.

So simply don't get your hopes *too* high. Just hope that a problem
from life threatening (which it is, right now) will become at least
manageable. It's quite a difference. Possibly between slightly sucky
life and no life at all. Slightly sucky life is what we all live
anyway. ;-)

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Pete wrote:
> "Joe Humble" <joehumble@earthlink.net> schreef:
>
>>> This time, i went to see a neurologist, who is also specialized in typical
>>> sleep/wake problems.
>
>> I have not been following this but i assume you were checked out for
>> sleep apnea?
>
> Several times.
>
> They diagosed me with OSAS in 2004. And 2 tests in 2005 confirmed it.
>

What is OSAS? I've only heard of OSA (obstructive sleep apnea), which I
have. I also had a lot of the symptoms you describe before starting CPAP
therapy.

>> Dreaming is the kind of thing your body "builds up" a need for so if
>> you're consistently denied dreaming you'll start doing so as soon as
>> possible.

Like if you're waking up from OSA instead of hitting REM.

Early REM is also a sign of clinical depression, just as a side note.

Cheers,

Ari


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In article <46038d73$0$72366$dbd49001@news.wanadoo.nl>,
"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote:

> "Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> schreef:
>
> >> Thats exactly what happens to me in the afternoon. Around 3-5pm, i start
> >> to
> >> get sleepy, and slight into a dream. I wake up after a few minutes,
> >> dissoriented, scared, and with an elevated heart beat. Which make me feel
> >> more tired.
>
> > I never wake up scared, just a bit drowsy. Goes away when I get up and
> > move around. Changing positions in the truck when I'm driving also helps
> > drive off the snoozies if I have not taken my adderal.
>
> I googled that one. They dont have that one here.
>
> > Do you crave carbs when you wake up perchance?
>
> No, but i am very thirsty. And my first choice is usually a sweet fruit
> juice.
>
> > Have you been checked for hypoglycemia?
>
> A long time ago, not recent. But they will do that also on April 5, when i
> attend the hospital.
>
> > My issue does not involve any set times... Yours might be related to
> > post-lunch?
>
> Not really, but i know what you mean. I usually have that after a huge plate
> of spaghetti.
>
> What i experience in the afternoon is more related to my absence of Nrem or
> phase 4, or delta sleep.
>
> > A 4 hour glucose tolerance test could Dx that. Docs rarely use
> > the 4 hour one anymore, but I've read that that is the best way to rule
> > out that problem.
>
> I think they will do that.
>
> >> I am scheduled for april 5, and the next time i see him is may 8.
> >> Which from my point of view is very long, since things are getting worse
> >> each week.
>
> > Do you sleep at night, at all?
>
> Well, last night i slept from 1 to 8am. I woke up at aprox. 5, 6 and 7am,
> after which i have a hard to get to sleep again. It feels like my brain is
> going overtime. This may sound weird, but i thoughts in the early morning
> that feel as if they are not mine. I think i wake up from a dream and the
> brain is still going. This dissorients me and scares me. It takes at least
> 10-15 minutes to get the heart rate normal.
>
> > How long?
>
> Anything from 6-9 hours, which seems normal. But mostly Rem. No Nrem. No
> deep sleep.
> With 10-20 dreams. I wake up exhausted. Took a massive cup of coffee. Which
> doesnt work as it did in the past.
>
> > Be sure to share that info. with your doc. :-)
>
> Sure. And they hook me up anyway. I believe they will let me sleep during
> the day, with intervals. I believe they want to see what goes on in my brain
> when i fall asleep, and the 2 hours after. They repeat that 3-4 times.
>
> > Have you been checked for sleep apnea?
>
> Yes. 3 times. First time i had a 26 AHI index. Which is scary, since my
> oxygen dropped to 78%.
>
> They also confirmed that my sleeping pattern was completely fragmented. No
> deep sleep whatsoever.
> The doctor i saw last time said that this could be related to a form of
> narcolepsy.
>
> --
> Pete

Sounds like the doc is doing a thorough job then.

Once again, best of luck.

Sleep disorders suck!
--
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Dnia 2007-03-23 Pete napisa³(a):
> "Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> schreef:
>
>>>I really dont know. Its getting confusing, since disorders like this cause
>>>depression-like symptoms, and that may affect digestion, and the typical
>>>bloated feeling. I really dont know what is causing what anymore.
>
>> It can certainly get confusing with general symptoms like this. I
>> just think doctors try to make things too complex with their
>> diagnosis. They diagnosis the illness and medicate it. Rather than
>> find the cause and a solution to deal with it.
>
> Well, i have been googling a few days now, and some people seem to lack a
> certain protein in the brain.
>
> Hypocretin, i believe.

So now you officially aren't hypocretin? Good news, I'd say. ;-)

>> There are many things can make a person tired. I found about sugar
>> problems when I was younger which was making me tired all the time.
>> My sister inlaw has an iron deficiency which I guess if your women
>> lets you stay home instead of work. And yeah even depression or
>> stress can make a person tired.
>
> This is what i mean. Does a depression cause a weird sleeping pattern and
> makes you tired?

Yeap. Big time.

> Or does a fucked sleeping pattern cause depression?

Yeap, but you can get manic too, for a short time at least.

> And cause stress bacause you feel tired? And so on.

Sure. Isn't it beautifully arranged?

> What causes what?

Do you ask what starts this cycle? It depends. You can get depressed
because your most cherished cat shot himself with your most cherished
gun, and things can escalate from there. Or you can be deprived of
sleep and start from this point too. Life is about choices, so it's up
to you. ;-)

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

In article <4nk603hs23qh7agep58j7a9pkr2ji1m29d@4ax.com>,
Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:11:52 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstr