Muscles, Speed, and Lies (book)

Brought the new year in with my uncle, my cousin and her two children
while watching Abbott and Costello, Mr. Ed, and then Dick Clark's New
Year's Rockin' Eve 2007
<http://abc.go.com/specials/newyearsrockineve.html>. Clark's cohost
Ryan Seacrest coulda been eaten by rats for all I cared. I demand more
of Fergie <http://fergie.blackeyedpeas.com/> during next year's
broadcast!

Stopped at Barnes & Noble on the way home and picked up a copy of
_Muscles, Speed, and Lies: What the Sport Supplement Industry Does Not
Want Athletes or Consumers to Know_ by David Lightsey.

Here's the book's description:

In 2005, health-conscious consumers and athletes combined spent
approximately $6 billion on various sport supplements that promised to
enhance their health, physical development, or performance. But do
these supplements really offer the benefits they claim in their
advertising and on their packaging? And are they safe?

David Lightsey, MS, a nutrition and food science advisor to an
award-winning consumer advocacy Web site, maintains that the sports
supplement industry regularly and knowingly makes false claims, and
since it has yet to be properly regulated by the Food and Drug
Administration, consumers are unprotected from products that are
unnecessary, may cause great harm, or even lead to death. Aware that
much of the problem stems from a lack of information about general
nutrition, dietary supplements, and beneficial lifestyle changes,
Lightsey provides answers to such questions as:

Do excessive protein supplements actually hinder performance and
strength gains?
Can over-the-counter supplements be more effective than steroids?
Why are fat cells so easy to accumulate and so hard to diminish in
size?
Are antioxidant supplements helpful or harmful?
Which dietary changes have the most effect on physical development and
training?
How much body fat can safely be lost in one week?
How much muscle mass can realistically be developed in one week without
steroids?

In Muscles, Speed & Lies, Lightsey helps educators, consumers, coaches,
athletes, and parents navigate through all of the hype about
supplements, and he offers advice on alternative dietary changes that
can yield much healthier and longer-lasting results than the latest
"miracle" pill. /From:
http://www.amazon.com/Muscles-Speed-.../dp/1592289126


And from inside the back cover flap:
David Lightsey, M.S. is an exercise physiologist and nutritionist who
has worked for the past eighteen years with the National Council
Against Health Fraud, a nonprofit consumer advocacy organization
combating misinformation in the health marketplace <www.ncahf.org>. He
is also an advisor to <www.Quackwatch.org>, is a speaker listed with
the NCAA Health and Safety Speakers Grant program, has appeared on
Dateline NBC and the CBS Evening News, and has provided research
support for ESPN's Outside the Lines.

--
Curt

On 1 Jan 2007 19:23:06 -0800, "Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote:

>In 2005, health-conscious consumers and athletes combined spent
>approximately $6 billion on various sport supplements that promised to
>enhance their health, physical development, or performance. But do
>these supplements really offer the benefits they claim in their
>advertising and on their packaging? And are they safe?

Hey people by the penis growth stuff too.

>David Lightsey, MS, a nutrition and food science advisor to an
>award-winning consumer advocacy Web site, maintains that the sports
>supplement industry regularly and knowingly makes false claims, and
>since it has yet to be properly regulated by the Food and Drug
>Administration, consumers are unprotected from products that are
>unnecessary, may cause great harm, or even lead to death. Aware that
>much of the problem stems from a lack of information about general
>nutrition, dietary supplements, and beneficial lifestyle changes,
>Lightsey provides answers to such questions as:

Death is very unusual for supplements. It usually occurs in rare
cases when someone did something really stupid with the supplement.
You are more likely to have side effects like an upset stomach. But
most of the time they just don't do anything.

This might come as a surprise to some but the fact that supplements
are not regulated has a great deal of benefits. The cost of the
products would rise dramatically and many things people take would be
removed from the market. The would all need to be proven to work and
that takes a lot of time and money.

>Do excessive protein supplements actually hinder performance and
>strength gains?

I would be interested if the answer was yes.

Curt wrote:
> Brought the new year in with my uncle, my cousin and her two children
> while watching Abbott and Costello, Mr. Ed, and then Dick Clark's New
> Year's Rockin' Eve 2007
> <http://abc.go.com/specials/newyearsrockineve.html>. Clark's cohost
> Ryan Seacrest coulda been eaten by rats for all I cared. I demand more
> of Fergie <http://fergie.blackeyedpeas.com/> during next year's
> broadcast!
>
> Stopped at Barnes & Noble on the way home and picked up a copy of
> _Muscles, Speed, and Lies: What the Sport Supplement Industry Does Not
> Want Athletes or Consumers to Know_ by David Lightsey.
>
> Here's the book's description:
>
> In 2005, health-conscious consumers and athletes combined spent
> approximately $6 billion on various sport supplements that promised to
> enhance their health, physical development, or performance. But do
> these supplements really offer the benefits they claim in their
> advertising and on their packaging? And are they safe?
>
> David Lightsey, MS, a nutrition and food science advisor to an
> award-winning consumer advocacy Web site, maintains that the sports
> supplement industry regularly and knowingly makes false claims, and
> since it has yet to be properly regulated by the Food and Drug
> Administration, consumers are unprotected from products that are
> unnecessary, may cause great harm, or even lead to death. Aware that
> much of the problem stems from a lack of information about general
> nutrition, dietary supplements, and beneficial lifestyle changes,
> Lightsey provides answers to such questions as:
>
> Do excessive protein supplements actually hinder performance and
> strength gains?
> Can over-the-counter supplements be more effective than steroids?
> Why are fat cells so easy to accumulate and so hard to diminish in
> size?
> Are antioxidant supplements helpful or harmful?
> Which dietary changes have the most effect on physical development and
> training?
> How much body fat can safely be lost in one week?
> How much muscle mass can realistically be developed in one week without
> steroids?
>
> In Muscles, Speed & Lies, Lightsey helps educators, consumers, coaches,
> athletes, and parents navigate through all of the hype about
> supplements, and he offers advice on alternative dietary changes that
> can yield much healthier and longer-lasting results than the latest
> "miracle" pill. /From:
> http://www.amazon.com/Muscles-Speed-.../dp/1592289126
>
>
> And from inside the back cover flap:
> David Lightsey, M.S. is an exercise physiologist and nutritionist who
> has worked for the past eighteen years with the National Council
> Against Health Fraud, a nonprofit consumer advocacy organization
> combating misinformation in the health marketplace <www.ncahf.org>. He
> is also an advisor to <www.Quackwatch.org>, is a speaker listed with
> the NCAA Health and Safety Speakers Grant program, has appeared on
> Dateline NBC and the CBS Evening News, and has provided research
> support for ESPN's Outside the Lines.
>
> --
> Curt

Also available new or used via Amazon for $11 & change. Your post
hooked me and I just gotta read.having read and tried everything from
ECA (works) to Tribulus (save your cash) to Arginine supplements (save
your cash there too). Vitamin B complex seems to be good...to a point.

EatMe wrote:
[...]

re _Muscles, Speed, and Lies: What the Sport Supplement Industry Does
Not
> > Want Athletes or Consumers to Know_ by David Lightsey

See:

http://www.amazon.com/Muscles-Speed-.../dp/1592289126


> Also available new or used via Amazon for $11 &
> change. Your post hooked me and I just gotta read.
> having read and tried everything from ECA (works) to
> Tribulus (save your cash) to Arginine supplements
> (save your cash there too). Vitamin B complex seems
> to be good...to a point.

It's all a waste of money.

Regardless, I just downed two scoops of Vitargo CGL, six caplets of
Leukic, three caplets of naNOx9, and 3 tablets of BCAAs. Wtf, right?
Never underestimate the power of the mind.

And taking that thought into consideration, I gotta restock on my
PLACEBO® Brand supplements. They utilize the ultimate in Reverse
Psychology Technology™. If you think it's not working then it must
REALLY be working! Yes, they embrace the philosophy that money wasted
is actually money well spent. Buy it NOW, TODAY!

(But, yeah, buy Lightsey's book, too. ;o))

--
Curt

Shute wrote:
[...]

> Hey people by the penis growth stuff too.

Is it too much to spell out the word buy? And you track the data on
penis growth stuff how? Or is it just obvious? The ads exist so someone
MUST be buying the product, yes?

> Death is very unusual for supplements.

Well, they weren't falling over in the aisles at GNC when I worked
there. Most didn't even look sick. There was a very pleasant customer
who had Paget's disease in her forearms, but she seemed as healthy as
the proverbial horse otherwise.

> It usually occurs in rare cases when someone did
> something really stupid with the supplement.

True. This reminds me of Bob the ill-fated stockboy during my tenure at
GNC. He really never should've stepped under that pallet. Lift trucks
can be so undependable.

[...]

> This might come as a surprise to some but the fact
> that supplements are not regulated has a great deal
> of benefits.

Absolutely. Supplement companies can literally shovel dirt into their
pill bottles and pass it off as the latest and greatest advanced such
and such. Whaddabahgain!

[...]

--
Curt

On 2 Jan 2007 16:58:51 -0800, "Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote:

>Shute wrote:
>[...]
>
>> Hey people by the penis growth stuff too.
>
>Is it too much to spell out the word buy? And you track the data on
>penis growth stuff how? Or is it just obvious? The ads exist so someone
>MUST be buying the product, yes?

Sorry I must have a spellchecker virus. It scrambles words on me
before sending. But that is what your for teach. : )

Penis growth ads have been around for as long as I can remember. I
think I learned the word Placebo from seeing pictures of spanish fly
bottles in porn mags. In the past 6 years they seem to have exploded
into mainstream. I judge from all the TV commercials I see. The ads
are also in most non-porn men's magazines. They are getting bolder
because they are making so much money at it. Truth is if most guys
just learned how to eat pussy their women would be even happier.

>> Death is very unusual for supplements.
>
>Well, they weren't falling over in the aisles at GNC when I worked
>there. Most didn't even look sick. There was a very pleasant customer
>who had Paget's disease in her forearms, but she seemed as healthy as
>the proverbial horse otherwise.

I was thinking about ephedra but I recall at least one other
supplement that was banned years ago. I read about couple of kids who
put on rubber suites and rode exercise bikes in the sauna. Plus most
people where swallowing down tons of the stuff. I am sure it had some
side effects but I suspect most if not all deaths where due to abuse
of the product.

>> It usually occurs in rare cases when someone did
>> something really stupid with the supplement.
>
>True. This reminds me of Bob the ill-fated stockboy during my tenure at
>GNC. He really never should've stepped under that pallet. Lift trucks
>can be so undependable.
>
>[...]
>
>> This might come as a surprise to some but the fact
>> that supplements are not regulated has a great deal
>> of benefits.
>
>Absolutely. Supplement companies can literally shovel dirt into their
>pill bottles and pass it off as the latest and greatest advanced such
>and such. Whaddabahgain!

That is only positive if you own one of those companies. I was
thinking about herbs which have been used for many ailments for
thousands of years. Yet most have been never medically proven to do
anything. I guess you have never been a strong supporter of a
product which medical science claims has no value. I was watching
this TV show where they tested a bunch of products for sea sickness.
They tested about 4 crap products which failed their tests miserably.
Then finally and herb(I think Ginger) was the only one that worked for
all three test subjects. Apparantly sailors where using it hundreds
of years ago for that purpose.

Curt wrote:
> Brought the new year in with my uncle, my cousin and her two
> children while watching Abbott and Costello, Mr. Ed, and then
Dick
> Clark's New Year's Rockin' Eve 2007
> <http://abc.go.com/specials/newyearsrockineve.html>. Clark's
cohost
> Ryan Seacrest coulda been eaten by rats for all I cared. I
demand
> more of Fergie <http://fergie.blackeyedpeas.com/> during next
year's
> broadcast!
>
> Stopped at Barnes & Noble on the way home and picked up a copy
of
> _Muscles, Speed, and Lies: What the Sport Supplement Industry
Does
> Not Want Athletes or Consumers to Know_ by David Lightsey.
>
OK, you've had a chance to read it. What does it say? You open
the front cover and there's only one sentence: "Nothing works!!"
?


K

Kromagnon wrote:
> Curt wrote:
[...]

> > <snip> picked up a copy of _Muscles, Speed, and
> > Lies: What the Sport Supplement Industry Does Not
> > Want Athletes or Consumers to Know_ by David Lightsey.
> >
> OK, you've had a chance to read it. What does it say? You open
> the front cover and there's only one sentence: "Nothing works!!"
> ?

HA! ) Yes, that's on page one and then page two through page 198 has
"Notes" listed at the top of each page and nothing else.

Seriously, chapters one and two attempt to deconstruct the myths
propagated by the supplement companies. I believe the author does a
good job. He presents verifiable contradictions and outright lies by
companies such as EAS, GNC, Met-Rx and others. He also gives the text
version of the axe to the Weider Corporation and Muscle & Fitness
magazine.

Chapter three covers misconceptions re vitamins and minerals. And
chapters four, five and six review misunderstandings re antioxidants,
protein, carbohydrates and water.

The book is a good read, imo. Lightsey states that, "myths,
misconceptions, and false advertising have turned the relatively
straightforward process of nutrition into a complex quagmire of dos and
don'ts." He concludes by offering recommendations for an informed
consumer in the form of eight points to assist people, as he calls it,
"navigate the hype."

Those eight points, imo, are worth the price of the book. EatMe notes
(elsewhere in this thread) that the book can be had, "used via Amazon
for $11 & change," while I forked over $18.36 plus a buck ten in sales
tax for that grand total of $19.46 for the privilege of taking the tome
home.

No matter what you pay, I'd recommend you buy it. (But, hey, buy The
Abs Diet first, of course. ;o))

And, certainly, I assume that most here will agree with the following
Lightsey comment:

"If you are consistently making poor food choices and you attempt to
make up for missing nutrients with dietary supplements, you will be
addressing only a few of the problems associated with your dietary
habits."

> K

Anyway, that's my two cents. Thanks for asking. There's a drink chip
waiting for you at the juice bar if you made it this far, K.

Hmm. Just thought of something else, too. Tell the front desk hottie
that I'll cover a *double* smoothie if you actually were just making a
joke and didn't especially want my input. ;o)

--
Curt

Shute wrote:
> On 1 Jan 2007 19:23:06 -0800, "Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In 2005, health-conscious consumers and athletes combined spent
> >approximately $6 billion on various sport supplements that promised to
> >enhance their health, physical development, or performance. But do
> >these supplements really offer the benefits they claim in their
> >advertising and on their packaging? And are they safe?
>
> Hey people by the penis growth stuff too.
>
> >David Lightsey, MS, a nutrition and food science advisor to an
> >award-winning consumer advocacy Web site, maintains that the sports
> >supplement industry regularly and knowingly makes false claims, and
> >since it has yet to be properly regulated by the Food and Drug
> >Administration, consumers are unprotected from products that are
> >unnecessary, may cause great harm, or even lead to death. Aware that
> >much of the problem stems from a lack of information about general
> >nutrition, dietary supplements, and beneficial lifestyle changes,
> >Lightsey provides answers to such questions as:
>
> Death is very unusual for supplements. It usually occurs in rare
> cases when someone did something really stupid with the supplement.
> You are more likely to have side effects like an upset stomach. But
> most of the time they just don't do anything.
>
> This might come as a surprise to some but the fact that supplements
> are not regulated has a great deal of benefits. The cost of the
> products would rise dramatically and many things people take would be
> removed from the market. The would all need to be proven to work and
> that takes a lot of time and money.
>
> >Do excessive protein supplements actually hinder performance and
> >strength gains?
>
> I would be interested if the answer was yes.

Shute wrote:
> On 1 Jan 2007 19:23:06 -0800, "Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >In 2005, health-conscious consumers and athletes combined spent
> >approximately $6 billion on various sport supplements that promised to
> >enhance their health, physical development, or performance. But do
> >these supplements really offer the benefits they claim in their
> >advertising and on their packaging? And are they safe?
>
> Hey people by the penis growth stuff too.
>
> >David Lightsey, MS, a nutrition and food science advisor to an
> >award-winning consumer advocacy Web site, maintains that the sports
> >supplement industry regularly and knowingly makes false claims, and
> >since it has yet to be properly regulated by the Food and Drug
> >Administration, consumers are unprotected from products that are
> >unnecessary, may cause great harm, or even lead to death. Aware that
> >much of the problem stems from a lack of information about general
> >nutrition, dietary supplements, and beneficial lifestyle changes,
> >Lightsey provides answers to such questions as:
>
> Death is very unusual for supplements. It usually occurs in rare
> cases when someone did something really stupid with the supplement.
> You are more likely to have side effects like an upset stomach. But
> most of the time they just don't do anything.
>
> This might come as a surprise to some but the fact that supplements
> are not regulated has a great deal of benefits. The cost of the
> products would rise dramatically and many things people take would be
> removed from the market. The would all need to be proven to work and
> that takes a lot of time and money.
>
> >Do excessive protein supplements actually hinder performance and
> >strength gains?
>
> I would be interested if the answer was yes.



Your body needs protein no matter what. I take a protein meal
replacement supplement called Myoplex. It all comes down to how big
you rally want to get. I try to eat up to six meals a day and when I
cannot get a meal in a drink a Myoplex.

Also, in the book it asks if over the counter supplements are better
then steroids?
In my opinion I think that they could be, maybe GNC products. They
might be safer also to do rather then steroids.

"GYM FREAK

gym freak wrote:
[...]

re _Muscles, Speed, and Lies: What the Sport Supplement Industry Does
Not
Want Athletes or Consumers to Know_ by David Lightsey

> Your body needs protein no matter what. I take a protein meal
> replacement supplement called Myoplex. It all comes down to how big
> you rally want to get. I try to eat up to six meals a day and when I
> cannot get a meal in a drink a Myoplex.

Granted, Myoplex is some good-tasting schtufff, but I'd buy the book
and read chapter five before commenting on the need for extra protein
to build and maintain muscle. Regardless, I'm slamming down a LOT of
supplements. Hey, a fool and his money! ;o)

> Also, in the book it asks if over the counter supplements are better
> then steroids?
> In my opinion I think that they could be, maybe GNC products.

HA! Cool. And here's the first nomination for the January humor awards!


[...]

--
Curt

On 3 Jan 2007 19:18:28 -0800, "Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote:

>Kromagnon wrote:
>> Curt wrote:
>[...]
>
>> > <snip> picked up a copy of _Muscles, Speed, and
>> > Lies: What the Sport Supplement Industry Does Not
>> > Want Athletes or Consumers to Know_ by David Lightsey.
>> >
>> OK, you've had a chance to read it. What does it say? You open
>> the front cover and there's only one sentence: "Nothing works!!"
>> ?
>
>HA! ) Yes, that's on page one and then page two through page 198 has
>"Notes" listed at the top of each page and nothing else.
>
>Seriously, chapters one and two attempt to deconstruct the myths
>propagated by the supplement companies. I believe the author does a
>good job. He presents verifiable contradictions and outright lies by
>companies such as EAS, GNC, Met-Rx and others. He also gives the text
>version of the axe to the Weider Corporation and Muscle & Fitness
>magazine.
>
>Chapter three covers misconceptions re vitamins and minerals. And
>chapters four, five and six review misunderstandings re antioxidants,
>protein, carbohydrates and water.
>
>The book is a good read, imo. Lightsey states that, "myths,
>misconceptions, and false advertising have turned the relatively
>straightforward process of nutrition into a complex quagmire of dos and
>don'ts." He concludes by offering recommendations for an informed
>consumer in the form of eight points to assist people, as he calls it,
>"navigate the hype."
>
>Those eight points, imo, are worth the price of the book. EatMe notes
>(elsewhere in this thread) that the book can be had, "used via Amazon
>for $11 & change," while I forked over $18.36 plus a buck ten in sales
>tax for that grand total of $19.46 for the privilege of taking the tome
>home.
>
>No matter what you pay, I'd recommend you buy it. (But, hey, buy The
>Abs Diet first, of course. ;o))
>
>And, certainly, I assume that most here will agree with the following
>Lightsey comment:
>
>"If you are consistently making poor food choices and you attempt to
>make up for missing nutrients with dietary supplements, you will be
>addressing only a few of the problems associated with your dietary
>habits."
>
>> K
>
>Anyway, that's my two cents. Thanks for asking. There's a drink chip
>waiting for you at the juice bar if you made it this far, K.
>
>Hmm. Just thought of something else, too. Tell the front desk hottie
>that I'll cover a *double* smoothie if you actually were just making a
>joke and didn't especially want my input. ;o)

Does he mention anything about excessive dosages? I think most
manufactures recommend more than is needed to sell more product.
Then a lot of people take even more than that. It is either wasted or
it can have various side effects. I usually take half what they tell
me too.

Shute wrote:

re _Muscles, Speed, and Lies: What the Sport Supplement Industry Does
Not Want Athletes or Consumers to Know_ by David Lightsey

> Does he mention anything about excessive dosages?

Yes.

It's past midnight (and on a SCHOOL night, fer gawd's sake), so I'll
post the pertinent schtufff (for review purposes only, of course)
tomorrow.

--
Curt

On 3 Jan 2007 21:02:46 -0800, "Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote:

>Shute wrote:
>
>re _Muscles, Speed, and Lies: What the Sport Supplement Industry Does
>Not Want Athletes or Consumers to Know_ by David Lightsey
>
>> Does he mention anything about excessive dosages?
>
>Yes.
>
>It's past midnight (and on a SCHOOL night, fer gawd's sake), so I'll
>post the pertinent schtufff (for review purposes only, of course)
>tomorrow.

O.K. I will expect your book report turned in tomorrow. I will be
giving out blue stars if you do a good job.

Curt wrote:

> Stopped at Barnes & Noble on the way home and picked up a copy of
> _Muscles, Speed, and Lies: What the Sport Supplement Industry Does Not
> Want Athletes or Consumers to Know_ by David Lightsey.
>
> Here's the book's description:
>
> In 2005, health-conscious consumers and athletes combined spent
> approximately $6 billion on various sport supplements that promised to
> enhance their health, physical development, or performance. But do
> these supplements really offer the benefits they claim in their
> advertising and on their packaging? And are they safe?
>
> David Lightsey, MS, a nutrition and food science advisor to an
> award-winning consumer advocacy Web site, maintains that the sports
> supplement industry regularly and knowingly makes false claims, and
> since it has yet to be properly regulated by the Food and Drug
> Administration, consumers are unprotected from products that are
> unnecessary, may cause great harm, or even lead to death.

don't tell joanne. she thinks supplements have value.

oh, and don't tell brink 'cause he's managed to build a writing career
on his opinion of supplements. if you deleted the supplement ads,
anthony robbins-like motivational ads, and supplement opinions from his
site...well, what would be left?

kcmunchkin@gmail.com wrote:
> Curt wrote:
>
>> Stopped at Barnes & Noble on the way home and picked up a copy of
>> _Muscles, Speed, and Lies: What the Sport Supplement Industry Does
>> Not Want Athletes or Consumers to Know_ by David Lightsey.
>>
>> Here's the book's description:
>>
>> In 2005, health-conscious consumers and athletes combined spent
>> approximately $6 billion on various sport supplements that promised
>> to enhance their health, physical development, or performance. But do
>> these supplements really offer the benefits they claim in their
>> advertising and on their packaging? And are they safe?
>>
>> David Lightsey, MS, a nutrition and food science advisor to an
>> award-winning consumer advocacy Web site, maintains that the sports
>> supplement industry regularly and knowingly makes false claims, and
>> since it has yet to be properly regulated by the Food and Drug
>> Administration, consumers are unprotected from products that are
>> unnecessary, may cause great harm, or even lead to death.
>
> don't tell joanne. she thinks supplements have value.

They do.

> oh, and don't tell brink 'cause he's managed to build a writing career
> on his opinion of supplements. if you deleted the supplement ads,
> anthony robbins-like motivational ads, and supplement opinions from
> his site...well, what would be left?



--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

kcmunchkin@gmail.com wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>>>> don't tell joanne. she thinks supplements have value.
>>
>> They do.
>>
>>> oh, and don't tell brink 'cause he's managed to build a writing
>>> career on his opinion of supplements. if you deleted the
>>> supplement ads, anthony robbins-like motivational ads, and
>>> supplement opinions from his site...well, what would be left?
>
> this thread is just another place to spam for your protein bar
> concern, huh?

This thread is just another place for you to talk bollocks, huh?

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Bully wrote:
> > > don't tell joanne. she thinks supplements have value.
>
> They do.
>
> > oh, and don't tell brink 'cause he's managed to build a writing career
> > on his opinion of supplements. if you deleted the supplement ads,
> > anthony robbins-like motivational ads, and supplement opinions from
> > his site...well, what would be left?

this thread is just another place to spam for your protein bar concern,
huh?

Bully wrote:
>
> > this thread is just another place to spam for your protein bar
> > concern, huh?
>
> This thread is just another place for you to talk bollocks, huh?

i haven't mentioned your testicles.

your posts are spam because of your .sig file.

david greenwalt figured out that he was spamming and left. ed sturm
figured out that he was spamming and then stopped referencing his
business in ever post...then left.

we're just waiting for you to figure it out.

>
> --
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

<kcmunchkin@gmail.com> schreef:

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Your turn dude" -- Will Brink

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Brink

kcmunchkin@gmail.com wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>>
>>> this thread is just another place to spam for your protein bar
>>> concern, huh?
>>
>> This thread is just another place for you to talk bollocks, huh?
>
> i haven't mentioned your testicles.

Cute answer, not.

>
> your posts are spam because of your .sig file.

I reference a URL in my sig file therefore my posts are spam - is that what
you are saying?

>
> david greenwalt figured out that he was spamming and left. ed sturm
> figured out that he was spamming and then stopped referencing his
> business in ever post...then left.

What have their actions got to do with me?

>
> we're just waiting for you to figure it out.

Too bad I need you to explain it me then uh?

>>
>> --
>> Bully
>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>
>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
>> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss



--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

"kcmunchkin@gmail.com" <kcmunchkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Curt wrote:
>
>> Stopped at Barnes & Noble on the way home and picked up a copy of
>> _Muscles, Speed, and Lies: What the Sport Supplement Industry Does Not
>> Want Athletes or Consumers to Know_ by David Lightsey.
>>
>> Here's the book's description:
>>
>> In 2005, health-conscious consumers and athletes combined spent
>> approximately $6 billion on various sport supplements that promised to
>> enhance their health, physical development, or performance. But do
>> these supplements really offer the benefits they claim in their
>> advertising and on their packaging? And are they safe?
>>
>> David Lightsey, MS, a nutrition and food science advisor to an
>> award-winning consumer advocacy Web site, maintains that the sports
>> supplement industry regularly and knowingly makes false claims, and
>> since it has yet to be properly regulated by the Food and Drug
>> Administration, consumers are unprotected from products that are
>> unnecessary, may cause great harm, or even lead to death.
>
>don't tell joanne. she thinks supplements have value.
>
>oh, and don't tell brink 'cause he's managed to build a writing career
>on his opinion of supplements. if you deleted the supplement ads,
>anthony robbins-like motivational ads, and supplement opinions from his
>site...well, what would be left?

A boatload more than you have?

"kcmunchkin@gmail.com" <kcmunchkin@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>Bully wrote:
>>
>> > this thread is just another place to spam for your protein bar
>> > concern, huh?
>>
>> This thread is just another place for you to talk bollocks, huh?
>
>i haven't mentioned your testicles.
>
>your posts are spam because of your .sig file.
>
>david greenwalt figured out that he was spamming and left. ed sturm
>figured out that he was spamming and then stopped referencing his
>business in ever post...then left.
>
>we're just waiting for you to figure it out.

A single line in the .sig with a link has never been considered spam
and has been deemed acceptable in MFW for as long as I've been here.
And I have been around longer than you or any of your anonymous
incarnations.

Bully wrote:
> kcmunchkin@gmail.com wrote:
> > Bully wrote:
> >>
> >>> this thread is just another place to spam for your protein bar
> >>> concern, huh?
> >>
> >> This thread is just another place for you to talk bollocks, huh?
> >
> > i haven't mentioned your testicles.
>
> Cute answer, not.

alright, borat.

>
> >
> > your posts are spam because of your .sig file.
>
> I reference a URL in my sig file therefore my posts are spam - is that what
> you are saying?

yes.

> > we're just waiting for you to figure it out.
>
> Too bad I need you to explain it me then uh?

it's a shame, really...that you can't figure it out yourself.

JMW wrote:
>
> A single line in the .sig with a link has never been considered spam
> and has been deemed acceptable in MFW for as long as I've been here.
> And I have been around longer than you or any of your anonymous
> incarnations.

no one cares what you think.

you've been posting here roughly three months longer than i have.

kcmunchkin@gmail.com wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>> kcmunchkin@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Bully wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> this thread is just another place to spam for your protein bar
>>>>> concern, huh?
>>>>
>>>> This thread is just another place for you to talk bollocks, huh?
>>>
>>> i haven't mentioned your testicles.
>>
>> Cute answer, not.
>
> alright, borat.
>
>>
>>>
>>> your posts are spam because of your .sig file.
>>
>> I reference a URL in my sig file therefore my posts are spam - is
>> that what you are saying?
>
> yes.

I think you'll find you are totally wrong. But I'll leave it for someone
else to point out the bleedin' obvious to you.

>
>>> we're just waiting for you to figure it out.
>>
>> Too bad I need you to explain it me then uh?
>
> it's a shame, really...that you can't figure it out yourself.

I'm still too busy wondering why anyone would bother doing Farmers Walk with
55lb d/bells ;-) !!!


--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Bully wrote:
>
> >>> we're just waiting for you to figure it out.
> >>
> >> Too bad I need you to explain it me then uh?
> >
> > it's a shame, really...that you can't figure it out yourself.
>
> I'm still too busy wondering why anyone would bother doing Farmers Walk with
> 55lb d/bells ;-) !!!

it's a shame, really...that you can't figure it out yourself.

"kcmunchkin@gmail.com" <kcmunchkin@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>JMW wrote:
>>
>> A single line in the .sig with a link has never been considered spam
>> and has been deemed acceptable in MFW for as long as I've been here.
>> And I have been around longer than you or any of your anonymous
>> incarnations.
>
>no one cares what you think.

New Flash: Anonymous Dimwit Appointed MFW Spokesperson.

>you've been posting here roughly three months longer than i have.

And that would be longer, yes? As opposed to shorter? Do you need me
to explain this in more detail?

kcmunchkin@gmail.com wrote:
> JMW wrote:
>>
>> A single line in the .sig with a link has never been considered spam
>> and has been deemed acceptable in MFW for as long as I've been here.
>> And I have been around longer than you or any of your anonymous
>> incarnations.
>
> no one cares what you think.
>
> you've been posting here roughly three months longer than i have.

You should team up with Shute...

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

kcmunchkin@gmail.com wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>>
>>>>> we're just waiting for you to figure it out.
>>>>
>>>> Too bad I need you to explain it me then uh?
>>>
>>> it's a shame, really...that you can't figure it out yourself.
>>
>> I'm still too busy wondering why anyone would bother doing Farmers
>> Walk with 55lb d/bells ;-) !!!
>
> it's a shame, really...that you can't figure it out yourself.

Are you aware that you are repeating yourself?

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Shute wrote:
> "Curt" wrote:
> >Shute wrote:
> >
> >re _Muscles, Speed, and Lies: What the Sport Supplement Industry Does
> >Not Want Athletes or Consumers to Know_ by David Lightsey
> >
> >> Does he mention anything about excessive dosages?
> >
> >Yes.
> >
> >It's past midnight (and on a SCHOOL night, fer gawd's sake), so I'll
> >post the pertinent schtufff (for review purposes only, of course)
> >tomorrow.
>
> O.K. I will expect your book report turned in tomorrow. I will be
> giving out blue stars if you do a good job.

heh )

No stars required, Shute.

I checked the book's index and saw Recommended Daily Allowances (RDA)
and Recommended Daily Intake (RDI). The author states, "it is a
misapplication of recommended daily allowances (RDAs) to suggest that
an individual must ingest 100 percent of the RDA every day to maintain
the maximum benefit of any nutrient. The body's storage capacity for
all nutrients is much greater than most people realize. Moreover, the
body has the ability to increase nutrient absorption rates and
recycling or retention rates in times of increased need."

Furthermore, Lightsey notes the words of the late Victor Herbert, M.D.,
former professor of medicine and director, Nutrition Research Center at
Mount Sinai School of Medicine in the following passage:

Dr. Herbert further rightfully points out that "The RDA's provide a
guide for dieticians and other health professionals for planning and
evaluating diets for specific population groups, such as hospital
patients, pregnant women, school children, and so forth. _They are not
intended for specific individuals" [my emphasis].

The major point here is that the RDAs and RDIs are not a daily
requirement and they "Allow far more than the average person needs"
(Dr. Herbert).
/text excerpt

Lightsey continues his commentary offering additional examples, however
I'll refrain from copying those. Check out the book at the local big
box bookseller. Or order it via Amazon or other online vendor. A good
read, imo. I suspect the author might appreciate your supplement
strategy.

--
Curt

JMWhat's-your-REAL-name??? WAAAHHH!!! wrote:

re kcmunchkin

> A single line in the .sig with a link has never
> been considered spam

Otoh, noting the fact that kc just "considered" Bully's .sig as spam,
I'll state the obvious: Yer WRONG, Johnny!

However, yes, many have no problem whatsoever with such .sig file
advertising or information.

> and has been deemed acceptable in MFW

Again, as kc obviously hasn't deemed it acceptable your "deemed
acceptable in MFW" is certainly not unanimous.

Hth.

> for as long as I've been here.

That's interesting, JohZZZZZZZ...

> And I have been around longer than you or any
> of your anonymous incarnations.

Suddenly you're channeling Robert Schuh???

--
Curt