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Old 11-09-2006, 08:32 AM
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I am 35 6 feet tall and 175. I have been running alot for a race I
finished Saturday. I want to keep running at least 4-8 miles a week. (4
miles a time) to keep my cardiovascular shape up. (I may want to start
running in races again in the spring and I hate to loose all I have
worked for.)

ANyway, thinking of joining a gym and workout out during lunch. I would
have about 30-35 minutes or so 4-5days a week.

Again I want to do cardio too to keep in shape.

I am 13.2 % bodyfat. I just want to add some muscle and also decrease
my bodyfat a little more. I admitt I look a little skinny.

Should I work out 5 days a week with weights, then run on the treadmill
for 15 minutes after?

Should I work out with weights 3 days a week, then the other two days
swim or something.

I just need some direction.

Thanks again!

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Old 11-09-2006, 08:32 AM
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Dnia 2006-10-24 stryped napisał(a):
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> I am 35 6 feet tall and 175. I have been running alot for a race I
> finished Saturday. I want to keep running at least 4-8 miles a week. (4
> miles a time) to keep my cardiovascular shape up. (I may want to start
> running in races again in the spring and I hate to loose all I have
> worked for.)
>
> ANyway, thinking of joining a gym and workout out during lunch. I would
> have about 30-35 minutes or so 4-5days a week.


Enough.

> Again I want to do cardio too to keep in shape.


You mentioned running above. Do you mean "cardio" on top of your
running?

> I am 13.2 % bodyfat. I just want to add some muscle and also decrease
> my bodyfat a little more. I admitt I look a little skinny.
>
> Should I work out 5 days a week with weights,


If you can take it, do it. Simply increase the load gradually. Start
light-ish and see how much you can take.

> then run on the treadmill for 15 minutes after?


Instead of running or on top of that?

What do you want? Get more muscular of become a better runner?

> Should I work out with weights 3 days a week, then the other two days
> swim or something.


"Swim or something" indicates that you mostly care about getting more
muscular look (or something similar) and not lowering your times on mile or
five.

Assuming that this is the case I'd recommend frequent weight training,
like 4 time a week and more, with short rest intervals. If you go
through your exercises briskly your pulse should be quite high anyway
so additional cardio (if you do not care for being good runner, swimmer
etc) is totally optional.

An example how weights make good cardio would be any sort of tabata
intervals with weights. Or some old-school complexes. Or density
training. Or what crossfitters do.

You do not have to max out every training session and rest for ages
between sets. Do supersets and see how winded they will make you.

I mean that anything above moderate cardio is probably not necessary,
and even that might be too much if you spend enough time walking every
day.

> I just need some direction.
>
> Thanks again!


Directions are fine, but what you'll get depends on what data you'll
feed into newsgroup. You know enough about what you want to be clearer.
;-)

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Old 11-09-2006, 08:32 AM
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I guess I want to add muscle but still stay lean. I dont want to
improve my running right now. But want to do enough to maintain the
conditioning I have now so if I start training for running again this
summer I wont have to start back at square one. Does that make sense.


Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2006-10-24 stryped napisał(a):
> > x-no-archive:yes
> >
> > I am 35 6 feet tall and 175. I have been running alot for a race I
> > finished Saturday. I want to keep running at least 4-8 miles a week. (4
> > miles a time) to keep my cardiovascular shape up. (I may want to start
> > running in races again in the spring and I hate to loose all I have
> > worked for.)
> >
> > ANyway, thinking of joining a gym and workout out during lunch. I would
> > have about 30-35 minutes or so 4-5days a week.

>
> Enough.
>
> > Again I want to do cardio too to keep in shape.

>
> You mentioned running above. Do you mean "cardio" on top of your
> running?
>
> > I am 13.2 % bodyfat. I just want to add some muscle and also decrease
> > my bodyfat a little more. I admitt I look a little skinny.
> >
> > Should I work out 5 days a week with weights,

>
> If you can take it, do it. Simply increase the load gradually. Start
> light-ish and see how much you can take.
>
> > then run on the treadmill for 15 minutes after?

>
> Instead of running or on top of that?
>
> What do you want? Get more muscular of become a better runner?
>
> > Should I work out with weights 3 days a week, then the other two days
> > swim or something.

>
> "Swim or something" indicates that you mostly care about getting more
> muscular look (or something similar) and not lowering your times on mile or
> five.
>
> Assuming that this is the case I'd recommend frequent weight training,
> like 4 time a week and more, with short rest intervals. If you go
> through your exercises briskly your pulse should be quite high anyway
> so additional cardio (if you do not care for being good runner, swimmer
> etc) is totally optional.
>
> An example how weights make good cardio would be any sort of tabata
> intervals with weights. Or some old-school complexes. Or density
> training. Or what crossfitters do.
>
> You do not have to max out every training session and rest for ages
> between sets. Do supersets and see how winded they will make you.
>
> I mean that anything above moderate cardio is probably not necessary,
> and even that might be too much if you spend enough time walking every
> day.
>
> > I just need some direction.
> >
> > Thanks again!

>
> Directions are fine, but what you'll get depends on what data you'll
> feed into newsgroup. You know enough about what you want to be clearer.
> ;-)
>
> --
> Andrzej Rosa 1127R


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Old 11-09-2006, 08:32 AM
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Dnia 2006-10-24 stryped napisał(a):
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> I guess I want to add muscle but still stay lean. I dont want to
> improve my running right now. But want to do enough to maintain the
> conditioning I have now so if I start training for running again this
> summer I wont have to start back at square one. Does that make sense.


Why not do maintenance running schedule (whatever you think you need)
and simply add weight training on top of it?

If you do not slack in the weight room you'll not get fat from weight
training. Just go brisk through your workouts.

I mean, many people are mostly sitting through their workouts. Simply
do not be one of them.

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Old 11-09-2006, 08:32 AM
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Can swimming add muscle? I mean maybe swimming two days a week on top
of lifting maybe three days a week?

I am just thinking out loud and trying to maximize my time. My lunch
hour is the main time I want to train.
Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2006-10-24 stryped napisał(a):
> > x-no-archive:yes
> >
> > I guess I want to add muscle but still stay lean. I dont want to
> > improve my running right now. But want to do enough to maintain the
> > conditioning I have now so if I start training for running again this
> > summer I wont have to start back at square one. Does that make sense.

>
> Why not do maintenance running schedule (whatever you think you need)
> and simply add weight training on top of it?
>
> If you do not slack in the weight room you'll not get fat from weight
> training. Just go brisk through your workouts.
>
> I mean, many people are mostly sitting through their workouts. Simply
> do not be one of them.
>
> --
> Andrzej Rosa 1127R


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Old 11-09-2006, 08:32 AM
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Dnia 2006-10-24 stryped napisał(a):
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> Can swimming add muscle?


Depends. Regular lifter will not gain much but short intense sprints
might actually do something.

> I mean maybe swimming two days a week on top
> of lifting maybe three days a week?


Why not? Try it and see how it works.

> I am just thinking out loud and trying to maximize my time. My lunch
> hour is the main time I want to train.


Experiment and see. It's you who will have to go through it and no one
here is you, has your time constraints, eating habits, stresses and so
on. If something does not work, change it.

For me, frequent weightlifting sessions do the trick without cardio, but
I'm not you. You have all the spectrum of possibilities, from all
cardio to all max effort weights, so try to find a balance which works
for you and keeps you motivated (boredom kills progress).

BTW - do not post on top of the message you reply to. It's not good
style, of sorts. One is supposed to post below the text one replies
to, more or less like everyone here does.

> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> Dnia 2006-10-24 stryped napisał(a):
>> > x-no-archive:yes
>> >
>> > I guess I want to add muscle but still stay lean. I dont want to
>> > improve my running right now. But want to do enough to maintain the
>> > conditioning I have now so if I start training for running again this
>> > summer I wont have to start back at square one. Does that make sense.

>>
>> Why not do maintenance running schedule (whatever you think you need)
>> and simply add weight training on top of it?
>>
>> If you do not slack in the weight room you'll not get fat from weight
>> training. Just go brisk through your workouts.
>>
>> I mean, many people are mostly sitting through their workouts. Simply
>> do not be one of them.
>>
>> --
>> Andrzej Rosa 1127R

>



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Old 11-09-2006, 08:32 AM
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>Can swimming add muscle? I mean maybe swimming two days a week on top
>of lifting maybe three days a week?


Sure, swimming can add muscle, but it doesn't increase bone
strength/density. That may not seem important now, but it will be important
as you get older (not just for women like me, but especially for women like
me). Resistance training (typically, weight-lifting) is the best way to
build bone.

Swimming falls primarily on the cardio side of the cardio/resistance side of
the divide, so to speak. Like running.

It sounds like you're basically a runner, and it sounds like you're in good
shape and have good stamina. What you want now is strength, and the best
way to get that is weight training. And you'll probably find ways that
weight training can enhance your running performance, as you get into it.
Weight training enhances performance in just about any sport or physical
activity, AFAIK. (Personally, I started lifting weights 25 years ago when I
was a ballet dancer :-) It helped me keep good body proportions and
improved my scrawny "epaulement" on top, relative to my meaty, strong legs
on the bottom. You might find similar benefits as a runner. But that
doesn't mean you should neglect lower-body strength training. Do both.)

This group's FAQs are a good start: http://www.trygve.com/mfw_faq.html .
Read sections I and II, for starters. The first thing you'll learn from
these faqs is to use free weights as the core of your work-out (instead of
machines, including Smith machines). Don't lift with the same muscles two
days in a row -- alternate days for full-body work-outs, or alternate upper
body days with lower body days. Rest one day a week -- no lifting and no
cardio. Start light -- there's a whole arcane neuromuscular thing that has
to get up to speed before you can safely start lifting heavy. The FAQs
recommend as follows for a starter work-out: Squat, Barbell Bench Press,
Pull Up, Seated Military Press, Dead Lift, Incline Dumbbell Press, Bent Over
Barbell Row. (Personally, the core of my routine is squat, barbell bench
press, deadlift, pull up, bent-over dumbbell row, incline dumbbell press,
standing military press, dumbbell curls, dips. I alternate upper-body days
and lower-body days.) You get the idea.

Plenty of people can maintain strength by lifting three days a week. YMMV.
You certainly should lift at least that frequently to keep in shape.

As a general rule, you will perform better and more efficiently both at
cardio and lifting if you do them on separate days. If your muscles are
exhausted from cardio, you prolly won't lift as much weight, and you risk
"pulling" something, resulting in tendonitis or some other pesky injury. If
your muscles are exhausted from lifting, your endurance for cardio may be
diminished accordingly.

Do a bit of stretching after you lift, if you like (and, as a runner, you
probably will), but don't stretch to "warm up" before lifting, as one does
before running. To warm up before lifting, do a light set of whatever lift
you're about to do. Like, bench 30 lbs. for a set of eight, then bench your
desired weight for two sets -- at least for starters -- maybe later you'll
develop into all sorts of patterns of reps and sets and pyramiding and
stuff, but if your main sport is running, light to heavy sets is a good way
to go for now.

If you want to mix it up with some cardio other than running, then, sure, I
think swimming is the best possible way to give your muscles some different
directions and stretches and strengths.

Wow, where did all that that come from? Guys, critique me. Be gentle. Or
not.

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(Hey, stryped, I'm a top-poster, myself, usually, but these guys scare me,
to I try to remember to snip and bottom-post.) (jk)


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