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11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | |  Re: Only 0.016% of U.S. citizens believe Henry is sane
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 07:39:49 -0400, JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com>
wrote:
>"kirb" <kirbseepe@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>Henry wrote:
>>> more "facts" that he thinks "proves" his point.
>>
>>Henry is using the same methods to prove his theories as he does to
>>prove his sanity.
>
>http://www.ocdonline.com/articlephillipson6.php
Wow, something worth while out of this thread!
If someone is taking a poll, please put me down as a definite AGREE.
Ben |
11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: Only 16% of U.S. citizens believe Bush regime's impossible 9-11conspiracy theory
* wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:43:20 -0400, JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
> >... However, barking moonbats like ...
>
> You like believing that traitorous fascists would keep you safe.
I believe that nutjobs like you are the best hope for the GOP to
maintain a majority in the House and Senate. Most mainstream Democrats
would like to take guys like you, wrap them in duct tape, and stuff
them in a closet until after the election.
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11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: So why did Bush lie about 9/11?
"Turby" <turbosurfer@beach.comber> wrote
>>It's fun to picture Dick Cheney with his hand up Bush's ass,
>
> You sir, have a sick and perverted idea of fun.
Hey, just so long as they're both consenting adults and don't do it in
public and frighten the horses...
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11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: So why did Bush lie about 9/11?
<* US *> wrote
> Do you believe God speaks through Bush, too?
>
> You probably didn't choose to be that way.
>
> Bush did in fact lie about 9/11.
>
> It can't be because he's a politician, since others
> who are politicians didn't lie about it and had no
> reason to lie about it.
>
> Got an answer for that?
Warning, psychosis can be catchy. See above.
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11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: Only 16% of U.S. citizens believe Bush regime's impossible 9-11 conspiracy theory
P.Roehling wrote:
> "Rob Kleinschmidt" <Rkleinsch1216128@aol.com> wrote
>
> >> >> Well, 80% of Americans think that Martians have taken over the State
> >> >> Department. 90% of Americans think that Kennedy is still alive and
> >> >> living in Poland. So what?
> >> >
> >> > Even more astonishing, people actually voted for the man.
> >>
> >> Which man? Kennedy or Marvin?
> >
> > Pick a politician, any politician.
>
> Ah well, that lets Marvin out. He's very apolitical in his desire to
> incinerate the Earth.
Maybe I should give him a protest vote then.
How much worse could he be ?
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11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: Only 16% of U.S. citizens believe Bush regime's impossible 9-11conspiracy theory
On 19 Oct 2006 06:52:59 -0700, "JMW" <jmwilliams_56@yahoo.com> wrote:
>... nutjobs like ...
You like the pedophilia, torture, and murder of the bushkult.
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 19:43:20 -0400, JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>... However, barking moonbats like ...
You like believing that traitorous fascists would keep you safe.
"Sarah, if the American people had ever known the truth
about what we Bushes have done to this nation, we would
be chased down in the streets and lynched."
-George H. W. "Poppy" Bush, spoken in an interview with
Sarah McClendon, June 1992 http://chicago.indymedia.org/newswir...1956/index.php |
11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: Bush Lied About 9/11. Why?
On Thu, 19 Oct 2006 08:36:49 -0400, Ben Kaufman
<spaXm-mXe-anXd-paXy-5000-dollars@pobox.com> wrote:
>...please put me down ...
You do that for yourself, when you fall for the lies of treasonous profiteers.
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11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: So why did Bush lie <snip>
* wrote:
> Got an answer for that?
Sure.
To pick up chics.
--
Curt
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11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: Only 16% of U.S. citizens believe Bush regime's impossible 9-11 conspiracy theory
"Rob Kleinschmidt" <Rkleinsch1216128@aol.com> wrote
>> >> >> Well, 80% of Americans think that Martians have taken over the
>> >> >> State
>> >> >> Department. 90% of Americans think that Kennedy is still alive and
>> >> >> living in Poland. So what?
>> >> >
>> >> > Even more astonishing, people actually voted for the man.
>> >>
>> >> Which man? Kennedy or Marvin?
>> >
>> > Pick a politician, any politician.
>>
>> Ah well, that lets Marvin out. He's very apolitical in his desire to
>> incinerate the Earth.
>
> Maybe I should give him a protest vote then.
> How much worse could he be ?
On the lighter side of the news: Bush can't run again unless he gets the
Supreme court to declare him King; not impossible, but very unlikely.
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11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: Only 16% of U.S. citizens believe Bush regime's impossible 9-11 conspiracy theory
P.Roehling wrote:
> On the lighter side of the news: Bush can't run again unless he gets the
> Supreme court to declare him King; not impossible, but very unlikely.
Yeah, but what if it was a necessary part of the war on
terror and evil ? Wouldn't that then trump the Supreme Court ?
Attorney General Gonzales says he feels certain it's all
perfectly legal too.
Can we really be certain those who oppose Kingship are not
enemy combatants or enemy combatant sympathizers ?
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11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: Only 16% of U.S. citizens believe Bush regime's impossible9-11conspiracytheory
BrianNZ wrote:
> ....it has nothing to do with 'magic' explosive theories.
There is no magic explosive theory. Explosives, unlike
your magic office fires that can slice through five inches
of steel, aren't imaginary.
HTH
-- http://911research.wtc7.net http://www.st911.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition. http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
"You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
because of his gross incompetence.
"The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq? http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq. http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm http://www.commondreams.org/ http://www.truthout.org/ http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/ http://thirdworldtraveler.com/ http://counterpunch.org/ http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron...  |
11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: Only 16% of U.S. citizens believe Bush regime's impossible9-11conspiracytheory
BrianNZ wrote:
> Henry wrote:
>> I know, I just posted a link to a survey showing that
>> only 16% believe his comical and impossible magic fire/super
>> Arab conspiracy theory.
> Liar.....your post had nothing to do with "comical and impossible magic
> fire/super Arab conspiracy theory."
> Only 16 per cent of respondents say the government headed by U.S.
> president George W. Bush is telling the truth on what it knew prior
> to the terrorist attacks, down five points since May 2002."
That's part of his magic fire/super Arab conspiracy theory.
Only 16% of U.S. citizens believe it.
-- http://911research.wtc7.net http://www.st911.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition. http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
"You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
because of his gross incompetence.
"The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq? http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq. http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm http://www.commondreams.org/ http://www.truthout.org/ http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/ http://thirdworldtraveler.com/ http://counterpunch.org/ http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron... |
11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: Only 16% of U.S. citizens believe Bush regime's impossible9-11conspiracytheory
Charles wrote:
> "P.Roehling"> wrote:
>>"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>>>Henry
>>strongly agreed
> I suspect Henry
Oh look, I seem to =own= three mentally ill, no life, obsessed
usenet kooks! Too bad they have no value. :-( Do I hear a bid
of 25 cents each?
Anyone?
How about a penny each?
Okay I'll give 'em away.
Any takers?......
Looks like I'll be keeping 'em for my own amusment. <chuckle>
Look at the height of WTC7: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/...20Picture1.jpg
Then look at how it collapsed: http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
Small random fires can't possibly make a steel framed building
do that. Not even a raging inferno can cause a steel building to
do anything even remotely close to that. Only a very well executed
controlled demolition can cause the total, instant, and symmetric
failure of all steel support columns that took place in WTC7.
That was very solidly braced and virtually undamaged steel frame.
It was dramatically over engineered to withstand hurricane force
winds and mild earth quakes. Look at the still photos at 1 second
intervals. The building stays perfectly straight and level all the
way down. Every one of the 58 steel perimeter columns failed at
exactly the same time, and they all failed totally, putting up
essentially zero resistance. That's proven by the collapse time of
6.6 seconds compared to 6 seconds free fall. The southwest corner
of WTC7 was damaged by debris from the north tower, and there were
small random fires in the building, although it's anyone's guess how
they were ignited. But asymmetric damage and random fires don't cause
steel framed buildings to collapse even slowly and asymmetrically.
The near free fall speed and perfectly symmetric collapse of a
steel framed building can only be caused by a very well executed
synchronized demolition.
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
Perhaps you should learn more about the extreme (2000%) reserve
strength designed into the steel frames of the towers. How was the
2000% reserve strength of the undamaged steel frame exceeded by only
the force of gravity, in your opinion? And how was it exceeded to such
an extreme degree that the undamaged steel frame with a 2000% reserve
strength capacity offered no measurable resistance with only the force
of gravity working against it?
From: http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...60327100957690
"The Twin Towers and Why They Fell
It would help to begin with an accurate description of the WTC towers
in terms of quality of design and construction. In July of 1971, the
American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) presented a national award
judging the buildings to be "the engineering project that demonstrates
the greatest engineering skills and represents the greatest
contribution to engineering progress and mankind."3 Others noted that
"the World Trade Center towers would have an inherent capacity to
resist unforeseen calamities." This capacity stemmed from the use of
special high-strength steels. In particular, the perimeter columns
were designed with tremendous reserve strength whereby "live loads on
these columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs."
More on the incredible strength of the towers can be found here: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html
"There is evidence that the Twin Towers were designed with an even
greater measure of reserve strength than typical large buildings.
According to the calculations of engineers who worked on the Towers'
design, all the columns on one side of a Tower could be cut, as well
as the two corners and some of the columns on each adjacent side, and
the building would still be strong enough to withstand a
100-mile-per-hour wind. 3"
See Gordon Ross' excellent paper on momentum transfer on this
page: http://worldtradecentertruth.com/
As common sense would dictate, even if all the perimeter and
core columns near the top of the tower were somehow destroyed
simultaneously so that the top 20 stories or so dropped onto the
remaining undamaged frame, after some bending and compression,
the collapse would have stopped, or the upper block would have
fallen off to the side. Gordon Ross proves that with physics.
To believe that the towers could fall through themselves at virtual
free fall speed and in perfect symmetry is comical nonsense. What you
are saying, is that falling directly =through= the massive undamaged
steel frames, including the 47 interconnected central core columns: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
provided little more resistance than air. This is proven by the
fact that debris falling outside the towers hit the ground about the
same time as the debris falling through the towers. Making your
theory even more impossible, is the fact that the steel at the top
of the towers was ten times lighter and thinner than the undamaged
steel in the lower section.
Your magic fire conspiracy theory is an utterly idiotic and
comical fantasy - and it violates the laws of physics.
Look at the massive core column cross section in the
bottom photo. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
Your magic fire theory says that crushing 47 of those bad boys,
all interconnected with even more steel, =and= destroying all the
perimeter columns, =and= "pancaking" all the floors, produced
about the same kinetic friction as falling though air. That's some
crazy, crazy, shit, Toy. It's amazing what some people can programmed
to believe.
Also, notice the severely twisted steel beams in the bottom
photo. No shattering, no popping, and no exploding. Like I
said, it bends.
-- http://911research.wtc7.net http://www.st911.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition. http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
"You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
because of his gross incompetence.
"The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq? http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq. http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm http://www.commondreams.org/ http://www.truthout.org/ http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/ http://thirdworldtraveler.com/ http://counterpunch.org/ http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron... |
11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: Only 16% of U.S. citizens believe Bush regime's impossible9-11conspiracytheory
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
> Many people think Bush has lied.
Yet, you still believe his impossible claim that a few small
random fires and damage to one side of the building caused all
58 perimeter columns in WTC7 to fail instantly, totally, and
simultaneously. You seem to believe it on blind faith alone,
since you haven't been able to explain how those fires could
have caused such an unprecedented collapse.
Why did the undamaged, unheated steel columns at the opposite
end of the building from the damage fail at the same exact same
instant and rate as the damaged columns? Why didn't the heated steel
bend slowly, like gradually heated steel alwasy does if it gets
hot enouhg. Why did it instantly shatter into pieces?
Also, what caused the pools of molten metal that were observed in
the rubble of WTC7 weeks after the collapse? And why did the Bush
regime destroy and confiscate crucial evidence if it has nothing to
hide? Please explain your theory in detail.
What's really funny about blind faith true believers is that they
rabidly deny controlled demolition, not because it contradicts the
hard evidence, violates the laws of physics, or has never been done
before, but =only= because they don't believe the Bush regime would
do it.
Their comical magic fire/super Arab conspiracy theory, however,
has been proven beyond any doubt to violate not only eyewitness
testimony, photo evidence, and physical evidence, but the laws of
physics and precedent.
That's =hard= proof that blind faith true believers arrive at their
beliefs through emotions rather than facts, evidence, science, or
logic. http://911research.wtc7.net http://www.st911.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition. http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
"You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
because of his gross incompetence.
"The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq? http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq. http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm |
11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: So why did Bush lie about 9/11?
* US * wrote:
> "P.Roehling" <Pete.Roehling@CUTOUTeee.org> wrote:
>>... still believe ...
> Do you believe God speaks through Bush, too?
>>... stark-staring
>>bonkers. And given the choice, I'll ...
> You probably didn't choose to be that way.
> Bush did in fact lie about 9/11.
> It can't be because he's a politician, since others
> who are politicians didn't lie about it and had no
> reason to lie about it.
> Got an answer for that?
Petie admits to voting for Bush, so he's either
extremely ignorant, or he's deliberately trying
to harm America and Her People. Judging from his
previous rants, it'd say it's the former. Petie
seems a little too simple minded and gullible to
be evil... <g>
-- http://911research.wtc7.net http://www.st911.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition. http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
"You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
because of his gross incompetence.
"The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq? http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq. http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm http://www.commondreams.org/ http://www.truthout.org/ http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/ http://thirdworldtraveler.com/ http://counterpunch.org/ http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron... |
11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: Only 16% of U.S. citizens believe Bush's comical magicfireconspiracy theory
Ben Kaufman wrote:
> If someone is taking a poll, please put me down as a definite AGREE.
Agree with Bush's comical and physically impossible magic
fire conspiracy theory, or agree than one needs to be a
gullible fool to believe it?
Look at the height of WTC7: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/...20Picture1.jpg
Then look at how it collapsed: http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
Small random fires can't possibly make a steel framed building
do that. Not even a raging inferno can cause a steel building to
do anything even remotely close to that. Only a very well executed
controlled demolition can cause the total, instant, and symmetric
failure of all steel support columns that took place in WTC7.
That was very solidly braced and virtually undamaged steel frame.
It was dramatically over engineered to withstand hurricane force
winds and mild earth quakes. Look at the still photos at 1 second
intervals. The building stays perfectly straight and level all the
way down. Every one of the 58 steel perimeter columns failed at
exactly the same time, and they all failed totally, putting up
essentially zero resistance. That's proven by the collapse time of
6.6 seconds compared to 6 seconds free fall. The southwest corner
of WTC7 was damaged by debris from the north tower, and there were
small random fires in the building, although it's anyone's guess how
they were ignited. But asymmetric damage and random fires don't cause
steel framed buildings to collapse even slowly and asymmetrically.
The near free fall speed and perfectly symmetric collapse of a
steel framed building can only be caused by a very well executed
synchronized demolition.
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
Perhaps you should learn more about the extreme (2000%) reserve
strength designed into the steel frames of the towers. How was the
2000% reserve strength of the undamaged steel frame exceeded by only
the force of gravity, in your opinion? And how was it exceeded to such
an extreme degree that the undamaged steel frame with a 2000% reserve
strength capacity offered no measurable resistance with only the force
of gravity working against it?
From: http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...60327100957690
"The Twin Towers and Why They Fell
It would help to begin with an accurate description of the WTC towers
in terms of quality of design and construction. In July of 1971, the
American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) presented a national award
judging the buildings to be "the engineering project that demonstrates
the greatest engineering skills and represents the greatest
contribution to engineering progress and mankind."3 Others noted that
"the World Trade Center towers would have an inherent capacity to
resist unforeseen calamities." This capacity stemmed from the use of
special high-strength steels. In particular, the perimeter columns
were designed with tremendous reserve strength whereby "live loads on
these columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs."
More on the incredible strength of the towers can be found here: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html
"There is evidence that the Twin Towers were designed with an even
greater measure of reserve strength than typical large buildings.
According to the calculations of engineers who worked on the Towers'
design, all the columns on one side of a Tower could be cut, as well
as the two corners and some of the columns on each adjacent side, and
the building would still be strong enough to withstand a
100-mile-per-hour wind. 3"
See Gordon Ross' excellent paper on momentum transfer on this
page: http://worldtradecentertruth.com/
As common sense would dictate, even if all the perimeter and
core columns near the top of the tower were somehow destroyed
simultaneously so that the top 20 stories or so dropped onto the
remaining undamaged frame, after some bending and compression,
the collapse would have stopped, or the upper block would have
fallen off to the side. Gordon Ross proves that with physics.
To believe that the towers could fall through themselves at virtual
free fall speed and in perfect symmetry is comical nonsense. What you
are saying, is that falling directly =through= the massive undamaged
steel frames, including the 47 interconnected central core columns: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
provided little more resistance than air. This is proven by the
fact that debris falling outside the towers hit the ground about the
same time as the debris falling through the towers. Making your
theory even more impossible, is the fact that the steel at the top
of the towers was ten times lighter and thinner than the undamaged
steel in the lower section.
Your magic fire conspiracy theory is an utterly idiotic and
comical fantasy - and it violates the laws of physics.
Look at the massive core column cross section in the
bottom photo. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
Your magic fire theory says that crushing 47 of those bad boys,
all interconnected with even more steel, =and= destroying all the
perimeter columns, =and= "pancaking" all the floors, produced
about the same kinetic friction as falling though air. That's some
crazy, crazy, shit, Toy. It's amazing what some people can programmed
to believe.
Also, notice the severely twisted steel beams in the bottom
photo. No shattering, no popping, and no exploding. Like I
said, it bends.
-- http://911research.wtc7.net http://www.st911.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition. http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
"You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
because of his gross incompetence.
"The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq? http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq. http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm http://www.commondreams.org/ http://www.truthout.org/ http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/ http://thirdworldtraveler.com/ http://counterpunch.org/ http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron... |
11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: Only 16% of U.S. citizens believe Bush regime's impossible9-11conspiracytheory
Rob Kleinschmidt wrote:
> What seems to elude you
What seems to elude you, is that your belief in the
impossible is based on blind faith alone. You can't
even begin to explain how your magic fires caused WTC7
and the towers to drop in near perfect symmetry and
virtual free fall speed. You can't explain how fires
near the tops of the towers produced huge pools of molten
metal in the sub basement and sliced through 5 inches of
steel, either. You believe in physics, evidence, and reality
defying magic that you don't understand and that you
can't even begin to explain.
Look at the height of WTC7: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/...20Picture1.jpg
Then look at how it collapsed: http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
Small random fires can't possibly make a steel framed building
do that. Not even a raging inferno can cause a steel building to
do anything even remotely close to that. Only a very well executed
controlled demolition can cause the total, instant, and symmetric
failure of all steel support columns that took place in WTC7.
That was very solidly braced and virtually undamaged steel frame.
It was dramatically over engineered to withstand hurricane force
winds and mild earth quakes. Look at the still photos at 1 second
intervals. The building stays perfectly straight and level all the
way down. Every one of the 58 steel perimeter columns failed at
exactly the same time, and they all failed totally, putting up
essentially zero resistance. That's proven by the collapse time of
6.6 seconds compared to 6 seconds free fall. The southwest corner
of WTC7 was damaged by debris from the north tower, and there were
small random fires in the building, although it's anyone's guess how
they were ignited. But asymmetric damage and random fires don't cause
steel framed buildings to collapse even slowly and asymmetrically.
The near free fall speed and perfectly symmetric collapse of a
steel framed building can only be caused by a very well executed
synchronized demolition.
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
Perhaps you should learn more about the extreme (2000%) reserve
strength designed into the steel frames of the towers. How was the
2000% reserve strength of the undamaged steel frame exceeded by only
the force of gravity, in your opinion? And how was it exceeded to such
an extreme degree that the undamaged steel frame with a 2000% reserve
strength capacity offered no measurable resistance with only the force
of gravity working against it?
From: http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...60327100957690
"The Twin Towers and Why They Fell
It would help to begin with an accurate description of the WTC towers
in terms of quality of design and construction. In July of 1971, the
American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) presented a national award
judging the buildings to be "the engineering project that demonstrates
the greatest engineering skills and represents the greatest
contribution to engineering progress and mankind."3 Others noted that
"the World Trade Center towers would have an inherent capacity to
resist unforeseen calamities." This capacity stemmed from the use of
special high-strength steels. In particular, the perimeter columns
were designed with tremendous reserve strength whereby "live loads on
these columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs."
More on the incredible strength of the towers can be found here: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html
"There is evidence that the Twin Towers were designed with an even
greater measure of reserve strength than typical large buildings.
According to the calculations of engineers who worked on the Towers'
design, all the columns on one side of a Tower could be cut, as well
as the two corners and some of the columns on each adjacent side, and
the building would still be strong enough to withstand a
100-mile-per-hour wind. 3"
See Gordon Ross' excellent paper on momentum transfer on this
page: http://worldtradecentertruth.com/
As common sense would dictate, even if all the perimeter and
core columns near the top of the tower were somehow destroyed
simultaneously so that the top 20 stories or so dropped onto the
remaining undamaged frame, after some bending and compression,
the collapse would have stopped, or the upper block would have
fallen off to the side. Gordon Ross proves that with physics.
To believe that the towers could fall through themselves at virtual
free fall speed and in perfect symmetry is comical nonsense. What you
are saying, is that falling directly =through= the massive undamaged
steel frames, including the 47 interconnected central core columns: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
provided little more resistance than air. This is proven by the
fact that debris falling outside the towers hit the ground about the
same time as the debris falling through the towers. Making your
theory even more impossible, is the fact that the steel at the top
of the towers was ten times lighter and thinner than the undamaged
steel in the lower section.
Your magic fire conspiracy theory is an utterly idiotic and
comical fantasy - and it violates the laws of physics.
Look at the massive core column cross section in the
bottom photo. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
Your magic fire theory says that crushing 47 of those bad boys,
all interconnected with even more steel, =and= destroying all the
perimeter columns, =and= "pancaking" all the floors, produced
about the same kinetic friction as falling though air. That's some
crazy, crazy, shit, Toy. It's amazing what some people can programmed
to believe.
Also, notice the severely twisted steel beams in the bottom
photo. No shattering, no popping, and no exploding. Like I
said, it bends.
-- http://911research.wtc7.net http://www.st911.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition. http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
"You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
because of his gross incompetence.
"The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq? http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq. http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm http://www.commondreams.org/ http://www.truthout.org/ http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/ http://thirdworldtraveler.com/ http://counterpunch.org/ http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron... |
11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: So why did Bush lie about 9/11?
P.Roehling wrote:
> They are the qualities of a rather stupid and very stubborn man
> who....
...you admit to voting for. What's that say about
you, Petie? <chuckle>
Look at the height of WTC7: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/...20Picture1.jpg
Then look at how it collapsed: http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html
Small random fires can't possibly make a steel framed building
do that. Not even a raging inferno can cause a steel building to
do anything even remotely close to that. Only a very well executed
controlled demolition can cause the total, instant, and symmetric
failure of all steel support columns that took place in WTC7.
That was very solidly braced and virtually undamaged steel frame.
It was dramatically over engineered to withstand hurricane force
winds and mild earth quakes. Look at the still photos at 1 second
intervals. The building stays perfectly straight and level all the
way down. Every one of the 58 steel perimeter columns failed at
exactly the same time, and they all failed totally, putting up
essentially zero resistance. That's proven by the collapse time of
6.6 seconds compared to 6 seconds free fall. The southwest corner
of WTC7 was damaged by debris from the north tower, and there were
small random fires in the building, although it's anyone's guess how
they were ignited. But asymmetric damage and random fires don't cause
steel framed buildings to collapse even slowly and asymmetrically.
The near free fall speed and perfectly symmetric collapse of a
steel framed building can only be caused by a very well executed
synchronized demolition.
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
Perhaps you should learn more about the extreme (2000%) reserve
strength designed into the steel frames of the towers. How was the
2000% reserve strength of the undamaged steel frame exceeded by only
the force of gravity, in your opinion? And how was it exceeded to such
an extreme degree that the undamaged steel frame with a 2000% reserve
strength capacity offered no measurable resistance with only the force
of gravity working against it?
From: http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...60327100957690
"The Twin Towers and Why They Fell
It would help to begin with an accurate description of the WTC towers
in terms of quality of design and construction. In July of 1971, the
American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) presented a national award
judging the buildings to be "the engineering project that demonstrates
the greatest engineering skills and represents the greatest
contribution to engineering progress and mankind."3 Others noted that
"the World Trade Center towers would have an inherent capacity to
resist unforeseen calamities." This capacity stemmed from the use of
special high-strength steels. In particular, the perimeter columns
were designed with tremendous reserve strength whereby "live loads on
these columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs."
More on the incredible strength of the towers can be found here: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html
"There is evidence that the Twin Towers were designed with an even
greater measure of reserve strength than typical large buildings.
According to the calculations of engineers who worked on the Towers'
design, all the columns on one side of a Tower could be cut, as well
as the two corners and some of the columns on each adjacent side, and
the building would still be strong enough to withstand a
100-mile-per-hour wind. 3"
See Gordon Ross' excellent paper on momentum transfer on this
page: http://worldtradecentertruth.com/
As common sense would dictate, even if all the perimeter and
core columns near the top of the tower were somehow destroyed
simultaneously so that the top 20 stories or so dropped onto the
remaining undamaged frame, after some bending and compression,
the collapse would have stopped, or the upper block would have
fallen off to the side. Gordon Ross proves that with physics.
To believe that the towers could fall through themselves at virtual
free fall speed and in perfect symmetry is comical nonsense. What you
are saying, is that falling directly =through= the massive undamaged
steel frames, including the 47 interconnected central core columns: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
provided little more resistance than air. This is proven by the
fact that debris falling outside the towers hit the ground about the
same time as the debris falling through the towers. Making your
theory even more impossible, is the fact that the steel at the top
of the towers was ten times lighter and thinner than the undamaged
steel in the lower section.
Your magic fire conspiracy theory is an utterly idiotic and
comical fantasy - and it violates the laws of physics.
Look at the massive core column cross section in the
bottom photo. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
Your magic fire theory says that crushing 47 of those bad boys,
all interconnected with even more steel, =and= destroying all the
perimeter columns, =and= "pancaking" all the floors, produced
about the same kinetic friction as falling though air. That's some
crazy, crazy, shit. It's amazing what some people can programmed
to believe.
Also, notice the severely twisted steel beams in the bottom
photo. No shattering, no popping, and no exploding. Like I
said, it bends.
-- http://911research.wtc7.net http://www.st911.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition. http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
"You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
because of his gross incompetence.
"The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq? http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq. http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm http://www.commondreams.org/ http://www.truthout.org/ http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/ http://thirdworldtraveler.com/ http://counterpunch.org/ http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron... |
11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
| | | Re: So why did Bush lie about 9/11?
P.Roehling wrote:
> You see, Bush is merely stupid
And yet, you admit to voting for him, and you believe
his physically impossible claim that office fires near
the top of the twin towers sliced through five inch thick
steel in the sub basement. What's that say about you, Petie?
No need to answer - rhetorcial. Look it up.... <chuckle>
Perhaps you should learn more about the extreme (2000%) reserve
strength designed into the steel frames of the towers. How was the
2000% reserve strength of the undamaged steel frame exceeded by only
the force of gravity, in your opinion? And how was it exceeded to such
an extreme degree that the undamaged steel frame with a 2000% reserve
strength capacity offered no measurable resistance with only the force
of gravity working against it?
From: http://www.911truth.org/article.php?...60327100957690
"The Twin Towers and Why They Fell
It would help to begin with an accurate description of the WTC towers
in terms of quality of design and construction. In July of 1971, the
American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE) presented a national award
judging the buildings to be "the engineering project that demonstrates
the greatest engineering skills and represents the greatest
contribution to engineering progress and mankind."3 Others noted that
"the World Trade Center towers would have an inherent capacity to
resist unforeseen calamities." This capacity stemmed from the use of
special high-strength steels. In particular, the perimeter columns
were designed with tremendous reserve strength whereby "live loads on
these columns can be increased more than 2,000% before failure occurs."
More on the incredible strength of the towers can be found here: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/analysis/design.html
"There is evidence that the Twin Towers were designed with an even
greater measure of reserve strength than typical large buildings.
According to the calculations of engineers who worked on the Towers'
design, all the columns on one side of a Tower could be cut, as well
as the two corners and some of the columns on each adjacent side, and
the building would still be strong enough to withstand a
100-mile-per-hour wind. 3"
See Gordon Ross' excellent paper on momentum transfer on this
page: http://worldtradecentertruth.com/
As common sense would dictate, even if all the perimeter and
core columns near the top of the tower were somehow destroyed
simultaneously so that the top 20 stories or so dropped onto the
remaining undamaged frame, after some bending and compression,
the collapse would have stopped, or the upper block would have
fallen off to the side. Gordon Ross proves that with physics.
To believe that the towers could fall through themselves at virtual
free fall speed and in perfect symmetry is comical nonsense. What you
are saying, is that falling directly =through= the massive undamaged
steel frames, including the 47 interconnected central core columns: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
provided little more resistance than air. This is proven by the
fact that debris falling outside the towers hit the ground about the
same time as the debris falling through the towers. Making your
theory even more impossible, is the fact that the steel at the top
of the towers was ten times lighter and thinner than the undamaged
steel in the lower section.
Your magic fire conspiracy theory is an utterly idiotic and
comical fantasy - and it violates the laws of physics.
Look at the massive core column cross section in the
bottom photo. http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html
Your magic fire theory says that crushing 47 of those bad boys,
all interconnected with even more steel, =and= destroying all the
perimeter columns, =and= "pancaking" all the floors, produced
about the same kinetic friction as falling though air. That's some
crazy, crazy, shit. It's amazing what some people can programmed
to believe.
Also, notice the severely twisted steel beams in the bottom
photo. No shattering, no popping, and no exploding. Like I
said, it bends.
-- http://911research.wtc7.net http://www.st911.org
Here's what happens to steel framed buildings exposed
to raging infernos for hours on end. http://davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr69c.html
On 9-11-01, WTC7, a 47 story steel framed building, which
had only small, random fires, dropped in perfect symmetry
at near free fall speed as in a perfectly executed controlled
demolition. http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/wtc/videos.html http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html http://wtc7.net/articles/FEMA/WTC_ch5.htm
"You're doin' a heckuva job, Brownie!" - bu$h, a few days
before his FEMA chief, Micheal Brown was forced to resign
because of his gross incompetence.
"The tools that enable Cuba to save lives and preserve
human dignity during hurricanes are socialist values
and organization." - Dr. W.T. Whitney Jr
Ever wonder who benefits from the 300 MILLION
U.S. taxpayer dollars spent each DAY in Iraq? http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0223-08.htm http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?list=type&type=21
"They are waging a campaign of murder and destruction. And
there is no limit to the innocent lives they are willing to
take... men with blind hatred and armed with lethal weapons
who are capable of any atrocity... they respect no laws of
warfare or morality."
-bu$h describing his own illegal invasion of Iraq. http://www.robert-fisk.com/iraqwarvictims_mar2003.htm http://www.commondreams.org/ http://www.truthout.org/ http://www.prohibitioncosts.org/ http://thirdworldtraveler.com/ http://counterpunch.org/ http://responsiblewealth.org/
"Our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things
that matter." -- Martin Luther King Jr.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President,
or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is
not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable
to the American public."
-- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
Don't let bu$h do to the United States what his very close
friend and top campaign contributor, Ken Lay, did to Enron... |
11-09-2006, 09:30 AM
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