OT: I hate it when I'm right...

In article <VwoLh.14650$Jl.5187@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> > A good diet, for ANY animal (including humans) can never hurt.
>
> Exactly. Can I PROVE a better diet keeps dogs healthier, longer? Nope. But I
> can afford to feed the slightly more expersive super premium dog foods
> (which, after this revealing episode, I will refer to as high quality food,
> as opposed to everything else), and will assume it helps, and, as you state,
> "can never hurt".

The only way to guarantee a pet's diet is to make the food yourself.
There are some people that do that...

If you ever decide to try it, there are powdered vitamin/mineral
supplements that Jeffer's pets sells in bulk containers.

I just did a quick search at http://www/jefferspets/com to see what they
had and they even had a special supplement for Copraphagia. <G>

>
> If I were homeless, living in the park under the bridge, I'd feed, and
> probably eat, Ol' Roys from Walmart.

<shudder> I would not.
I used to raise rats to feed a pet boa constrictor and when I switched
them from Purina to Ol' Roy, I had 3 sows die during pregnancy. Necropsy
showed that they bled to death thru the Uterus.

That food is pure crap.

The young feeder rats also showed stunted growth.

> The vast majority of pet owners, who
> spend literally BILLIONS of dollars a year on their animals, can afford high
> quality foods. Many of them thought they were feeding high quality foods
> when they fed Iams, Nutro, and Eukanuba. They were lied to.
>
> David

Sux doesn't it?
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In article <3LoLh.14096$tD2.9454@newsread1.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> > Funny thing though, my cats seem to like the 20lb/$6 stuff better than the
> > expensive brands
>
> Dogs like to eat cat and horse shit, but let's not trust them. We might know
> better.

My cats will eat generic brants, but grudgingly.
They really don't like them and I get upset with my housemate whenever
he buys them.

Their kibbles get switched around to keep them happy, but their canned
food is "9 Lives". Even one elderly cat with hyperthyroidism managed to
gain a bit of weight on that canned food.

Might be because she ate more of it. ;-)

The dogs have never been picky, but they get Canidae now;
And meat/bone scraps that are safe for consumption.

Calfs foot bones most recently. They really like those.
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In article <u78sv216ulgq1k3ve0k8njb3cb8ovkvld8@4ax.com>,
JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

> I don't like brand elitism with dog food anymore than I do with guns,
> which is why I enjoy posting results from Gun Tests articles that show
> better performance in cheaper guns than in the "elite" others with
> triple the price tag ... including high-priced Kimbers with
> high-priced Wilson Combat Mags.

What gun list do you post on?

I'd like to see some of that. :-)

Speaking of guns...

I finally got my replacement part from Taurus last Monday and got to
play with my 9mm at the range Saturday morning. I noted that the inside
of the gun was a bit dry which might be why it broke in the first place.

I carefully applied a bit of Rem-oil to the interior before
re-assembling it this time.

Put 90 rounds thru it (3 different brands of cheap 9mm ball ammo., CCI,
Magtech and Ultramax). Not a single jam. Flawless performance. ;-)

Here are 3 targets using Ultramax which was the cheapest. Bought it in
bulk with an ammo box. Yes I know I need to work on my 25 yard shots...

Taurus PT-92, 25 yards, Standing, Ultramax:
http://i15.tinypic.com/2lkweau.jpg

Taurus PT-92, 15 yards, Standing, Ultramax:
http://i18.tinypic.com/314xjj9.jpg

Taurus PT-92, 5 yards, Standing, Ultramax:
http://i17.tinypic.com/2djyoeg.jpg

I've also gotten better with the IJ .22. I used to have a prejudice
against small, light guns because I could not hit the broad side of a
barn with this one. I've started using the Weaver stance (and read up on
proper grip) and my precision has gotten a lot better. I'm looking at
Cold Pythons now as a backup weapon:

Iver Johnson .22 with Rem. Thunderbolt, 10 yards:
http://i15.tinypic.com/2mgl27p.jpg
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"Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote
> JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
>> I don't like brand elitism with dog food anymore than I do with guns,
>> which is why I enjoy posting results from Gun Tests articles that show
>> better performance in cheaper guns than in the "elite" others with
>> triple the price tag ... including high-priced Kimbers with
>> high-priced Wilson Combat Mags.
>
> What gun list do you post on?
>
> I'd like to see some of that. :-)
>
> Speaking of guns...
>
> I finally got my replacement part from Taurus last Monday and got to
> play with my 9mm at the range Saturday morning. I noted that the inside
> of the gun was a bit dry which might be why it broke in the first place.
>
> I carefully applied a bit of Rem-oil to the interior before
> re-assembling it this time.

Break Free is my favorite.

> Put 90 rounds thru it (3 different brands of cheap 9mm ball ammo., CCI,
> Magtech and Ultramax).

People who love their guns only feed them expensive ammo.

No, wait, that's pets, not guns. Sorry. I got confused

> Not a single jam. Flawless performance. ;-)

Well, it was ball ammo. I wouldn't expect much failure. Gotta' put a few
hundred rounds of full power hollow points throught it, too.

> Here are 3 targets using Ultramax which was the cheapest. Bought it in
> bulk with an ammo box. Yes I know I need to work on my 25 yard shots...
>
> Taurus PT-92, 25 yards, Standing, Ultramax:
> http://i15.tinypic.com/2lkweau.jpg
>
> Taurus PT-92, 15 yards, Standing, Ultramax:
> http://i18.tinypic.com/314xjj9.jpg
>
> Taurus PT-92, 5 yards, Standing, Ultramax:
> http://i17.tinypic.com/2djyoeg.jpg

Nicely done.

Get some Religion of Peace Practitioner targets. Might as well get used to
that sight picture now.

David

"Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote
> JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>> >> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>>"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Maybe I should start packaging regular dog food under the name "Tree
>> >>>> Hugger's Organic Gourmet" and labeling it with a pic of a dog
>> >>>> wearing
>> >>>> a macrame collar, then quadrupling the price tag. Voila! Instant
>> >>>> high quality dog food!
>> >>>
>> >>>That is essentially what Iams, Nutro, and Eukanuba have been doing all
>> >>>these
>> >>>years.
>> >>
>> >> See my previous response regarding the Iams kibble I feed our dogs.
>> >> You really should do the research before you make certain
>> >> presumptions.
>> >
>> >They've been lying all these years about their canned food, but, let's
>> >trust
>> >them about the dry food. Yeah. Bridge in Brooklyn is still available for
>> >you
>> >on Ebay.
>>
>> <heh> So shoot me with that expensive Kimber ... if you can hit with
>> the first shot, that is.
>
> Just out of curiosity, which Kimber does Cohen own?

http://www.kimberamerica.com/specialrun.php:

ULTRA CDP ELITE II (2002): 600 produced. The first Kimber .45 ACP pistols
with ramped match grade barrels. Black anodized aluminum frame, black oxide
carbon steel slide, 3” barrel, carry melt treatment for rounded and blended
edges, Meprolight 3-dot tritium night sights, 30 LPI checkering on front
strap and under trigger guard, ambidextrous thumb safety and charcoal/ruby
laminated logo grips. 25 oz. MSR: $1216

David

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>
> A massive pet food recall:
>
> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>
> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for so
> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>


The question is - is the Nutro and Iams manufactured to different specs than
Old Roy? Or do they just pump the same crap into different bags?

In news:B_pLh.11413$PL.3547@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net,
David Cohen <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> typed:

[...]

>
> Another uncalled for snipe, irrelevant to the conversation. But, by
> the way, Gun Tests has often rated "high-priced Kimbers" very highly.
> Your analogies are failing you tonight.
>
> David

Do you use any of the walk-in ranges in LV?


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"ranieri" <uh, not right now> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote
>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>
>> A massive pet food recall:
>>
>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>
>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for so
>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>
> The question is - is the Nutro and Iams manufactured to different specs
> than Old Roy? Or do they just pump the same crap into different bags?

I don't think that's the question, for two reasons:

1) It doesn't excuse the lies.

2) The "specs" aren't the issue for me. The quality is. Most all pet foods
have the proper percentage of protein, fats, micronutrients. The issue is
the quality of those ingredients. The shills for the pet food companies on
the dog news groups like to maintain that macronutrient percentages are all
that matter. Despite the fact that a proper % food could be compounded with
the slop shoveled off the slaughter house floor, some road kill, and a bit
of elephant shit thrown in. It is unreasonable to believe that the same
manufacturing plant uses fresh, wholesome, human grade meat and by-products
for one company, and animal digest from euthanized pets for another.

Speaking of which, a large study of dog foods found traces of pentobarbital
in many of them (the ones on the recall list, for example). There is only
one possible source of pentobarbital in dog foods: euthanized pets and zoo
animals. Yummy

David

"Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote
> David Cohen <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> typed:
>
> [...]
>
>> Another uncalled for snipe, irrelevant to the conversation. But, by
>> the way, Gun Tests has often rated "high-priced Kimbers" very highly.
>> Your analogies are failing you tonight.

> Do you use any of the walk-in ranges in LV?

For your trip to Las Vegas? There are two within a short cab ride from The
Strip: The Gun Store on East Tropicana, and American Shooters off West
Spring Mountain on Arville. Both will rent you anything you want, including
full auto submachineguns. Have fun

David

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote
>>> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
>>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>>>>
>>>>> A massive pet food recall:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>>>>
>>>>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food
>>>>> for so
>>>>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium"
>>>>> Iams,
>>>>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>>>>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super
>>>>> premium
>>>>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural,
>>>>> Merrick, Paul
>>>>> Newman's, etcetera.
>>>>
>>>> Screw that. 6 bucks for a 20lb bag of cat food at Winco. It wasn't
>>>> on the recall list and my cats are in perfect health. I'd say the
>>>> real moral to the story is premium != better. It's all the same,
>>>> just different gimmicky marketing.
>>>
>>> Then that would make you incorrect.
>>>
>>> If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age, let's say, 10, and would
>>> have died at age 13, given a better diet, how will you tell the
>>> difference?
>>
>> My cat, which I got when she was 6 weeks old, lived to the ripe old
>> age of 18-1/2 years. I never stuck with one brand or even one type
>> of cat food - varied brands of canned cat food, and switched brand of
>> dry every few months as well.
>>
>> When my kids are, knock on wood, grown and gone from my house, we'll
>> probably get another cat, but until then, two male human animals are
>> all we can take care of here, and even that's tough.
>
> There are the 120 year old Russians up in the Ural Mountains who smoke
> like chimneys.
>
> Therefore, smoking is not bad for you.
>
> David

I've been meaning to start smoking - thanks for the reminder.

FWIW, my choice of cat food was never part of any grand design. I just
never seemed to be able to find the same thing at the store on a regular
basis.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

In article <567jtrF27puivU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> FWIW, my choice of cat food was never part of any grand design. I just
> never seemed to be able to find the same thing at the store on a regular
> basis.
>
> -S-

Try shopping between midnight and 8 am...

Works for me. ;-)
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David Cohen <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> typed:
> "Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote
>> David Cohen <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> typed:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>> Another uncalled for snipe, irrelevant to the conversation. But, by
>>> the way, Gun Tests has often rated "high-priced Kimbers" very
>>> highly. Your analogies are failing you tonight.
>
>> Do you use any of the walk-in ranges in LV?
>
> For your trip to Las Vegas?

Yup!

> There are two within a short cab ride
> from The Strip: The Gun Store on East Tropicana,

Yeah, saw them mentioned on a UK TV show recently

> and American
> Shooters off West Spring Mountain on Arville. Both will rent you
> anything you want, including full auto submachineguns.

I know !!!! BUT -- AK47 or Uzi 9mm ??? How long does 50 rounds last though
at $40 a go !?!?!

> Have fun
>
> David



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"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>> I don't like brand elitism with dog food anymore than I do with guns,
>> which is why I enjoy posting results from Gun Tests articles that show
>> better performance in cheaper guns than in the "elite" others with
>> triple the price tag ... including high-priced Kimbers with
>> high-priced Wilson Combat Mags.
>
> Another uncalled for snipe, irrelevant to the conversation. But, by the
> way, Gun Tests has often rated "high-priced Kimbers" very highly. Your
> analogies are failing you tonight.
>
> David
A catfight breaks out over dog food and guns!

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 02:23:51 -0400, JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

>"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe I should start packaging regular dog food under the name "Tree
>>>>> Hugger's Organic Gourmet" and labeling it with a pic of a dog wearing
>>>>> a macrame collar, then quadrupling the price tag. Voila! Instant
>>>>> high quality dog food!
>>>>
>>>>That is essentially what Iams, Nutro, and Eukanuba have been doing all
>>>>these
>>>>years.
>>>
>>> See my previous response regarding the Iams kibble I feed our dogs.
>>> You really should do the research before you make certain
>>> presumptions.
>>
>>They've been lying all these years about their canned food, but, let's trust
>>them about the dry food. Yeah. Bridge in Brooklyn is still available for you
>>on Ebay.
>
><heh> So shoot me with that expensive Kimber ... if you can hit with
>the first shot, that is.

if the first attempted shot actually clears the barrel, that is.

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:34:41 GMT, "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe I should start packaging regular dog food under the name "Tree
>>>>>> Hugger's Organic Gourmet" and labeling it with a pic of a dog wearing
>>>>>> a macrame collar, then quadrupling the price tag. Voila! Instant
>>>>>> high quality dog food!
>>>>>
>>>>>That is essentially what Iams, Nutro, and Eukanuba have been doing all
>>>>>these
>>>>>years.
>>>>
>>>> See my previous response regarding the Iams kibble I feed our dogs.
>>>> You really should do the research before you make certain
>>>> presumptions.
>>>
>>>They've been lying all these years about their canned food, but, let's
>>>trust
>>>them about the dry food. Yeah. Bridge in Brooklyn is still available for
>>>you
>>>on Ebay.
>>
>> <heh> So shoot me with that expensive Kimber ... if you can hit with
>> the first shot, that is.
>
>Would that be one of those Kimbers that Gun Tests so often rates so highly?

Do you trust Consumer Reports' ratings of cars, too?

>And if I had decided to discard all my Wilson Combat magazines because one
>had an extremely rare failure, and bought Mec-Gar magazines, I wouldn't have
>to worry that Mec-Gars were actually manufactured by Wilson.

Are you sure it's not the other way around? Mec-Gar makes a lot of OEM mags, but I've
not heard of the reverse.

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 12:22:32 GMT, "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

>"Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote
>> JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> >"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>>> >> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> >>>"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Maybe I should start packaging regular dog food under the name "Tree
>>> >>>> Hugger's Organic Gourmet" and labeling it with a pic of a dog
>>> >>>> wearing
>>> >>>> a macrame collar, then quadrupling the price tag. Voila! Instant
>>> >>>> high quality dog food!
>>> >>>
>>> >>>That is essentially what Iams, Nutro, and Eukanuba have been doing all
>>> >>>these
>>> >>>years.
>>> >>
>>> >> See my previous response regarding the Iams kibble I feed our dogs.
>>> >> You really should do the research before you make certain
>>> >> presumptions.
>>> >
>>> >They've been lying all these years about their canned food, but, let's
>>> >trust
>>> >them about the dry food. Yeah. Bridge in Brooklyn is still available for
>>> >you
>>> >on Ebay.
>>>
>>> <heh> So shoot me with that expensive Kimber ... if you can hit with
>>> the first shot, that is.
>>
>> Just out of curiosity, which Kimber does Cohen own?
>
>http://www.kimberamerica.com/specialrun.php:
>
>ULTRA CDP ELITE II (2002): 600 produced. The first Kimber .45 ACP pistols
>with ramped match grade barrels. Black anodized aluminum frame, black oxide
>carbon steel slide, 3” barrel, carry melt treatment for rounded and blended
>edges, Meprolight 3-dot tritium night sights, 30 LPI checkering on front
>strap and under trigger guard, ambidextrous thumb safety and charcoal/ruby
>laminated logo grips. 25 oz. MSR: $1216

But there's a slight extra charge if you want the magazines to successfully feed rounds.

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 01:51:22 -0400, JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

>[b] General Motors manufactures everything from the most expensive
>Cadillac to the cheapest Chevy in the same plant. So what's your
>point?

Where do you get this? GM has distinct plants all over North America, often using
a unique plant for each platform, and some only for parts.

A better analogy are Lexus/Toyota and Acura/Honda, where manufacturing is
mostly common to both nameplates.

>I don't like brand elitism with dog food anymore than I do with guns,
>which is why I enjoy posting results from Gun Tests articles that show
>better performance in cheaper guns than in the "elite" others with
>triple the price tag ... including high-priced Kimbers with
>high-priced Wilson Combat Mags.

But his basic point stands: once a company puts its nameplate on an inferior product, that
brand no longer means anything. That trust is broken... for good.

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007 06:22:25 GMT, "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

>> [b] General Motors manufactures everything from the most expensive
>> Cadillac to the cheapest Chevy in the same plant. So what's your
>> point? I assume each company has specs for their brands and Menu
>> Foods processes and packs them to the individual company specs.
>
>Cadillac doesn't compare their quality in ads to cheap Chevys. Everyone
>knows they're made by the same company. GM has never lied about that. When I
>buy a Honda because it has greater reliability than a GM,

Objection: Assuming facts not in evidence, Your Honor.

In article <gwwLh.129096$_73.84730@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote
> > David Cohen <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> typed:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> >> Another uncalled for snipe, irrelevant to the conversation. But, by
> >> the way, Gun Tests has often rated "high-priced Kimbers" very highly.
> >> Your analogies are failing you tonight.
>
> > Do you use any of the walk-in ranges in LV?
>
> For your trip to Las Vegas? There are two within a short cab ride from The
> Strip: The Gun Store on East Tropicana, and American Shooters off West
> Spring Mountain on Arville. Both will rent you anything you want, including
> full auto submachineguns. Have fun
>
> David

One more reason to visit Vegas...... ;-D

Forget the casinos!
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In article <pbvLh.14760$Jl.12911@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink .net>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote
> > JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I don't like brand elitism with dog food anymore than I do with guns,
> >> which is why I enjoy posting results from Gun Tests articles that show
> >> better performance in cheaper guns than in the "elite" others with
> >> triple the price tag ... including high-priced Kimbers with
> >> high-priced Wilson Combat Mags.
> >
> > What gun list do you post on?
> >
> > I'd like to see some of that. :-)
> >
> > Speaking of guns...
> >
> > I finally got my replacement part from Taurus last Monday and got to
> > play with my 9mm at the range Saturday morning. I noted that the inside
> > of the gun was a bit dry which might be why it broke in the first place.
> >
> > I carefully applied a bit of Rem-oil to the interior before
> > re-assembling it this time.
>
> Break Free is my favorite.

Might have to try some.
Do you think it's better?

>
> > Put 90 rounds thru it (3 different brands of cheap 9mm ball ammo., CCI,
> > Magtech and Ultramax).
>
> People who love their guns only feed them expensive ammo.
>
> No, wait, that's pets, not guns. Sorry. I got confused

<lol>

>
> > Not a single jam. Flawless performance. ;-)
>
> Well, it was ball ammo. I wouldn't expect much failure. Gotta' put a few
> hundred rounds of full power hollow points throught it, too.

Yes, in time.
Ammo has gone up lately tho'.
I'm planning on learning to reload.

You are correct tho' that I need to feed it some of what will actually
be carried in it. To not do so is asking for trouble if TSHTF.

>
> > Here are 3 targets using Ultramax which was the cheapest. Bought it in
> > bulk with an ammo box. Yes I know I need to work on my 25 yard shots...
> >
> > Taurus PT-92, 25 yards, Standing, Ultramax:
> > http://i15.tinypic.com/2lkweau.jpg
> >
> > Taurus PT-92, 15 yards, Standing, Ultramax:
> > http://i18.tinypic.com/314xjj9.jpg
> >
> > Taurus PT-92, 5 yards, Standing, Ultramax:
> > http://i17.tinypic.com/2djyoeg.jpg
>
> Nicely done.

Thanks.
I do need to do more distance shooting.
It's a good challenge.

I go to the range every Saturday morning now but am conservative on how
much ammo I consume per session. It's very peaceful there at dawn when
there is nobody else around. Very meditative.

The Hill Country has it's charms.

Annual membership is only $75.00 per year and I can shoot as long as
it's full daylight. Plus the range does not pick up pistol brass... ;-)

>
> Get some Religion of Peace Practitioner targets. Might as well get used to
> that sight picture now.
>
> David

???

I'd like too see those.

The targets I'm currently using are 8 1/2" x 11" xeroxed from prints I
made on my home printer from this website with downloadable PDF files:

http://www.reloadbench.com/pdf.html

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In article <cgvLh.14761$Jl.3618@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink. net>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> > Just out of curiosity, which Kimber does Cohen own?
>
> http://www.kimberamerica.com/specialrun.php:
>
> ULTRA CDP ELITE II (2002): 600 produced. The first Kimber .45 ACP pistols
> with ramped match grade barrels. Black anodized aluminum frame, black oxide
> carbon steel slide, 3” barrel, carry melt treatment for rounded and blended
> edges, Meprolight 3-dot tritium night sights, 30 LPI checkering on front
> strap and under trigger guard, ambidextrous thumb safety and charcoal/ruby
> laminated logo grips. 25 oz. MSR: $1216
>
> David

Oh.

Drool......... ;-d
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In newsmp_omelet-10A596.09392720032007@news.giganews.com,
Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> typed:
> In article <gwwLh.129096$_73.84730@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net>,
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> "Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote
>>> David Cohen <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> typed:
>>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>> Another uncalled for snipe, irrelevant to the conversation. But, by
>>>> the way, Gun Tests has often rated "high-priced Kimbers" very
>>>> highly. Your analogies are failing you tonight.
>>
>>> Do you use any of the walk-in ranges in LV?
>>
>> For your trip to Las Vegas? There are two within a short cab ride
>> from The Strip: The Gun Store on East Tropicana, and American
>> Shooters off West Spring Mountain on Arville. Both will rent you
>> anything you want, including full auto submachineguns. Have fun
>>
>> David
>
> One more reason to visit Vegas...... ;-D

There are many, and they are varied. And precisely none of them are anything
to do with gambling!

> Forget the casinos!




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In article <56adnbF2878rtU1@mid.individual.net>,
"Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

> >> For your trip to Las Vegas? There are two within a short cab ride
> >> from The Strip: The Gun Store on East Tropicana, and American
> >> Shooters off West Spring Mountain on Arville. Both will rent you
> >> anything you want, including full auto submachineguns. Have fun
> >>
> >> David
> >
> > One more reason to visit Vegas...... ;-D
>
> There are many, and they are varied. And precisely none of them are anything
> to do with gambling!
>

Indeed...

I imagine you intend to hit this place:

http://www.vegas.com/nightlife/stripclubs/sapphire.html

;-)
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In newsmp_omelet-1BA29B.10590920032007@news.giganews.com,
Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> typed:
> In article <56adnbF2878rtU1@mid.individual.net>,
> "Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>
>>>> For your trip to Las Vegas? There are two within a short cab ride
>>>> from The Strip: The Gun Store on East Tropicana, and American
>>>> Shooters off West Spring Mountain on Arville. Both will rent you
>>>> anything you want, including full auto submachineguns. Have fun
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>
>>> One more reason to visit Vegas...... ;-D
>>
>> There are many, and they are varied. And precisely none of them are
>> anything to do with gambling!
>>
>
> Indeed...
>
> I imagine you intend to hit this place:
>
> http://www.vegas.com/nightlife/stripclubs/sapphire.html
>
> ;-)

Do they have a creche?

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spodosaurus <spodosaurus@_yahoo_.com.au> wrote:
> JMW wrote:
>> BTW, when I say it's crap shoot, if Menu Foods produces over a
>> billion cans a year, there's a lot higher a probability of them
>> turning out some bad cans than the little "premium" companies who
>> probably turn out a few hundred thousand.
>
> How do you figure? Given the same probability, they will simply turn
> out more bad cans due to their larger production. Why would the
> probability change?

I read "probability of turning out some bad cans" as meaning that
"some" is greater than zero. So, this behaves similarly to the
prob. of turning out at least one bad can, which increases with the
number of cans produced.

In article <56alf6F28l5l3U1@mid.individual.net>,
"Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:

> In newsmp_omelet-1BA29B.10590920032007@news.giganews.com,
> Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> typed:
> > In article <56adnbF2878rtU1@mid.individual.net>,
> > "Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
> >
> >>>> For your trip to Las Vegas? There are two within a short cab ride
> >>>> from The Strip: The Gun Store on East Tropicana, and American
> >>>> Shooters off West Spring Mountain on Arville. Both will rent you
> >>>> anything you want, including full auto submachineguns. Have fun
> >>>>
> >>>> David
> >>>
> >>> One more reason to visit Vegas...... ;-D
> >>
> >> There are many, and they are varied. And precisely none of them are
> >> anything to do with gambling!
> >>
> >
> > Indeed...
> >
> > I imagine you intend to hit this place:
> >
> > http://www.vegas.com/nightlife/stripclubs/sapphire.html
> >
> > ;-)
>
> Do they have a creche?

Ask Cohen... <g>
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Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> My cat, which I got when she was 6 weeks old, lived to the ripe old
>>> age of 18-1/2 years. I never stuck with one brand or even one type
>>> of cat food - varied brands of canned cat food, and switched brand of
>>> dry every few months as well.
>>
>> There are the 120 year old Russians up in the Ural Mountains who smoke
>> like chimneys.
>>
>> Therefore, smoking is not bad for you.
>
> I've been meaning to start smoking - thanks for the reminder.

It's not smoking - it's the hair. My last cat lived for 25 years,
because my hair is unprecedentedly coarse and thick, so I have to buy
that Thinning & Finening (sp?) Volume Reducing shampoo from a
kettlebell vendor.

But she also never had "catfood" and lived off the raw (previously
frozen) Alaska Pollock.

"Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> "Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote

>> > Speaking of guns...
>> >
>> > I finally got my replacement part from Taurus last Monday and got to
>> > play with my 9mm at the range Saturday morning. I noted that the inside
>> > of the gun was a bit dry which might be why it broke in the first
>> > place.
>> >
>> > I carefully applied a bit of Rem-oil to the interior before
>> > re-assembling it this time.
>>
>> Break Free is my favorite.
>
> Might have to try some.
> Do you think it's better?

Popular with the military. I like it cause it cleans and lubricates and
doesn't make a mess and works good and is pretty cheap and I can't think of
another reason but I was on a roll and didn't want to stop typing.

>> Get some Religion of Peace Practitioner targets. Might as well get used
>> to
>> that sight picture now.
>
> ???
>
> I'd like too see those.

http://www.safety-identification-pro...g-targets.html

David

On 18 Mar 2007 19:39:25 -0700, "Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote:

>Cohen wrote:
>[...]
>
>> If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age,
>> let's say, 10, and would have died at age
>> 13, given a better diet, how will you tell
>> the difference?
>
>David, shut up. I studied cat food for 3 years in college. I think I
>know what a better diet is.

What college has a 3-year-long curriculum in cat food?


Were all the basketweaving classes full?

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:htlLh.14600$Jl.4783@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>
> If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age, let's say, 10, and would have
> died at age 13, given a better diet, how will you tell the difference?
>
> David
>
How old would that be in cadaver kidney years?

Dnia 2007-03-20 Bully napisa³(a):
> In newsmp_omelet-1BA29B.10590920032007@news.giganews.com,
> Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> typed:
>> In article <56adnbF2878rtU1@mid.individual.net>,
>> "Bully" <bully62@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote:
>>
>>>> One more reason to visit Vegas...... ;-D
>>>
>>> There are many, and they are varied. And precisely none of them are
>>> anything to do with gambling!
>>>
>>
>> Indeed...
>>
>> I imagine you intend to hit this place:
>>
>> http://www.vegas.com/nightlife/stripclubs/sapphire.html
>>
>> ;-)
>
> Do they have a creche?

Why would you need it? Your kids probably have seen some tits already.
Portable video game should suffice, I think. ;-)

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Dnia 2007-03-20 David Cohen napisa³(a):
> "Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> "Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> > I carefully applied a bit of Rem-oil to the interior before
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~
>>> > re-assembling it this time.
>>> ~~~
>>> Break Free is my favorite.
>>
>> Might have to try some.
>> Do you think it's better?
>
> Popular with the military. I like it cause it cleans and lubricates and
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> doesn't make