OT: I hate it when I'm right...

....when it involves people's dogs and cats dying

A massive pet food recall:

http://www.menufoods.com/recall/

What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for so
many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
Eukanuba, and Nutro.

I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick, Paul
Newman's, etcetera.

I used to advise that, if you didn't, at least feed a premium one like Iams
or Nutro or Eukanuba. WRONG! They had me fooled as well. Fuckers! Hope they
get their asses sued off by the dead animal owners.


FEED THESE!!

www.canidae.com
www.merrickpetcare.com
www.oldmotherhubbard.com
www.f-r-r.com
www.newmansownorganics.com
www.naturapet.com
www.naturalbalanceinc.com
www.bluebuff.com
www.solidgoldhealth.com

Or get a copy of Whole Dog Journal's list of super premium dog foods.

David

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007 20:03:14 GMT, "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

>...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>
>A massive pet food recall:
>
>http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>
>What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for so
>many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
>Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>
>I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
>foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick, Paul
>Newman's, etcetera.

On the other hand, feeding them fresh-ground drifter is generally free.

"Lucas Buck" <sbcpark@earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>
>>A massive pet food recall:
>>
>>http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>
>>What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for so
>>many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
>>Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>>
>>I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>>commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
>>foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick, Paul
>>Newman's, etcetera.
>
> On the other hand, feeding them fresh-ground drifter is generally free.

No need to pre-grind. Better jaw exercise.

David

In article <AhjLh.128908$_73.41646@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Lucas Buck" <sbcpark@earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote
> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >>...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
> >>
> >>A massive pet food recall:
> >>
> >>http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
> >>
> >>What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for so
> >>many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
> >>Eukanuba, and Nutro.
> >>
> >>I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
> >>commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
> >>foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick, Paul
> >>Newman's, etcetera.
> >
> > On the other hand, feeding them fresh-ground drifter is generally free.
>
> No need to pre-grind. Better jaw exercise.

Dog wisdom


"The reason a dog has so many friends is that he wags his tail instead of
his tongue."
-Anonymous

"Don't accept your dog's admiration as conclusive evidence that you are
wonderful."
-Ann Landers

"If there are no dogs in Heaven, then when I die I want to go where they
went."
-Will Rogers

"There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face."
-Ben Williams

"A dog is the only thing on earth that loves you more than he loves
himself."
-Josh Billings

"The average dog is a nicer person than the average person."
-Andy Rooney

"We give dogs' time we can spare, space we can spare and love we can spare.
And in return, dogs give us their all. It's the best deal man has ever
made."
-M. Acklam

"I wonder if other dogs think poodles are members of a weird religious
cult."
-Rita Rudner

"A dog teaches a boy fidelity, perseverance, and to turn around three times
before lying down."
-Robert Benchley

"Anybody who doesn't know what soap tastes like never washed a dog."
-Franklin P. Jones

"If I have any beliefs about immortality, it is that certain dogs I have
known will go to heaven, and very, very few persons."
-James Thurber

"If your dog is fat, you aren't getting enough exercise."
-Unknown

"My dog is worried about the economy because a can of PAL is around $3.00,
That's almost $21.00 in dog money!"
-Joe Weinstein

"Ever consider what our dogs must think of us? I mean, here we come from a
grocery with the most amazing haul, chicken, pork, half a cow. They must
think we're the greatest hunters on earth!"
-Anne Tyler

"Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and
get used to the idea."
-Robert A. Heinlein

"If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite
you; that is the principal difference between a dog and a man."
-Mark Twain

"You can say any foolish thing to a dog, and the dog will give you a look
that says,
'Wow, you're right! I never would've thought of that!' "
- Dave Barry

"Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole."
-Roger Caras

"If you think dogs can't count, try putting three dog biscuits in your
pocket and then give him only two of them."
-Phil Pastoret

My goal in life is to be as good a person as my dog thinks I am.


>
> David

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:

> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>
> A massive pet food recall:
>
> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>
> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for so
> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>
> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick, Paul
> Newman's, etcetera.

Screw that. 6 bucks for a 20lb bag of cat food at Winco. It wasn't on the
recall list and my cats are in perfect health. I'd say the real moral to
the story is premium != better. It's all the same, just different gimmicky
marketing.

>
> I used to advise that, if you didn't, at least feed a premium one like Iams
> or Nutro or Eukanuba. WRONG! They had me fooled as well. Fuckers! Hope they
> get their asses sued off by the dead animal owners.
>
>
> FEED THESE!!
>
> www.canidae.com
> www.merrickpetcare.com
> www.oldmotherhubbard.com
> www.f-r-r.com
> www.newmansownorganics.com
> www.naturapet.com
> www.naturalbalanceinc.com
> www.bluebuff.com
> www.solidgoldhealth.com
>
> Or get a copy of Whole Dog Journal's list of super premium dog foods.
>
> David
>
>
>

--
Sir Jackery

"Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:
>
>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>
>> A massive pet food recall:
>>
>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>
>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for so
>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>>
>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick,
>> Paul
>> Newman's, etcetera.
>
> Screw that. 6 bucks for a 20lb bag of cat food at Winco. It wasn't on the
> recall list and my cats are in perfect health. I'd say the real moral to
> the story is premium != better. It's all the same, just different gimmicky
> marketing.

Then that would make you incorrect.

If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age, let's say, 10, and would have
died at age 13, given a better diet, how will you tell the difference?

David

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:

>
> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:
>>
>>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>>
>>> A massive pet food recall:
>>>
>>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>>
>>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for so
>>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
>>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>>>
>>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
>>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick,
>>> Paul
>>> Newman's, etcetera.
>>
>> Screw that. 6 bucks for a 20lb bag of cat food at Winco. It wasn't on the
>> recall list and my cats are in perfect health. I'd say the real moral to
>> the story is premium != better. It's all the same, just different gimmicky
>> marketing.
>
> Then that would make you incorrect.
>
> If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age, let's say, 10, and would have
> died at age 13, given a better diet, how will you tell the difference?
>
> David
>
>
>

And some people fall for the gimmicky marketing.

--
Sir Jackery

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:htlLh.14600$Jl.4783@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>
> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:
>>
>>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>>
>>> A massive pet food recall:
>>>
>>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>>
>>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food
>>> for so
>>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium"
>>> Iams,
>>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>>>
>>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super
>>> premium
>>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural,
>>> Merrick, Paul
>>> Newman's, etcetera.
>>
>> Screw that. 6 bucks for a 20lb bag of cat food at Winco. It wasn't on
>> the recall list and my cats are in perfect health. I'd say the real
>> moral to the story is premium != better. It's all the same, just
>> different gimmicky marketing.
>
> Then that would make you incorrect.
>
> If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age, let's say, 10, and would
> have died at age 13, given a better diet, how will you tell the
> difference?

My cat, which I got when she was 6 weeks old, lived to the ripe old age
of 18-1/2 years. I never stuck with one brand or even one type of cat
food - varied brands of canned cat food, and switched brand of dry every
few months as well.

When my kids are, knock on wood, grown and gone from my house, we'll
probably get another cat, but until then, two male human animals are all
we can take care of here, and even that's tough.
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

> David
>
>

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, Steve Freides wrote:

> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:htlLh.14600$Jl.4783@newsread3.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>>
>> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>>>
>>>> A massive pet food recall:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>>>
>>>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food
>>>> for so
>>>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium"
>>>> Iams,
>>>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>>>>
>>>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>>>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super
>>>> premium
>>>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural,
>>>> Merrick, Paul
>>>> Newman's, etcetera.
>>>
>>> Screw that. 6 bucks for a 20lb bag of cat food at Winco. It wasn't on
>>> the recall list and my cats are in perfect health. I'd say the real
>>> moral to the story is premium != better. It's all the same, just
>>> different gimmicky marketing.
>>
>> Then that would make you incorrect.
>>
>> If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age, let's say, 10, and would
>> have died at age 13, given a better diet, how will you tell the
>> difference?
>
> My cat, which I got when she was 6 weeks old, lived to the ripe old age
> of 18-1/2 years. I never stuck with one brand or even one type of cat

18-1/2 years, that's excellent!

> food - varied brands of canned cat food, and switched brand of dry every
> few months as well.
>
> When my kids are, knock on wood, grown and gone from my house, we'll
> probably get another cat, but until then, two male human animals are all
> we can take care of here, and even that's tough.
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com
>
>> David
>>
>>
>
>
>

--
Sir Jackery

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

>...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>
>A massive pet food recall:
>
>http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>
>What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for so
>many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
>Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>
>I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
>foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick, Paul
>Newman's, etcetera.
>
>I used to advise that, if you didn't, at least feed a premium one like Iams
>or Nutro or Eukanuba. WRONG! They had me fooled as well. Fuckers! Hope they
>get their asses sued off by the dead animal owners.

It was the trendy organically-grown, all-natural spinach that spread
E.coli all over the country. It's a crap shoot, and it has nothing to
do with how expensive, organic, premium, or ultra-cool it is,
regardless of whether it's human food or pet food.

BTW, when I say it's crap shoot, if Menu Foods produces over a billion
cans a year, there's a lot higher a probability of them turning out
some bad cans than the little "premium" companies who probably turn
out a few hundred thousand.

Oh ... and Eukanuba ... do all the trendy dog food companies pump
money into campaigns for the adoption of unwanted dogs in shelters the
way Eukanuba does? Or do they just assume their customer base is
limited to folks who feed trendy dog food to their AKC-registered
canines?

Just another point of view ...

"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>"Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:
>>
>>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>>
>>> A massive pet food recall:
>>>
>>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>>
>>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for so
>>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
>>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>>>
>>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
>>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick,
>>> Paul
>>> Newman's, etcetera.
>>
>> Screw that. 6 bucks for a 20lb bag of cat food at Winco. It wasn't on the
>> recall list and my cats are in perfect health. I'd say the real moral to
>> the story is premium != better. It's all the same, just different gimmicky
>> marketing.
>
>Then that would make you incorrect.
>
>If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age, let's say, 10, and would have
>died at age 13, given a better diet, how will you tell the difference?

My cat is already 13, eats Iams kibble, and is in good health.

On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, JMW wrote:

> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>
>> A massive pet food recall:
>>
>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>
>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for so
>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>>
>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick, Paul
>> Newman's, etcetera.
>>
>> I used to advise that, if you didn't, at least feed a premium one like Iams
>> or Nutro or Eukanuba. WRONG! They had me fooled as well. Fuckers! Hope they
>> get their asses sued off by the dead animal owners.
>
> It was the trendy organically-grown, all-natural spinach that spread
> E.coli all over the country. It's a crap shoot, and it has nothing to
> do with how expensive, organic, premium, or ultra-cool it is,
> regardless of whether it's human food or pet food.
>
> BTW, when I say it's crap shoot, if Menu Foods produces over a billion
> cans a year, there's a lot higher a probability of them turning out
> some bad cans than the little "premium" companies who probably turn
> out a few hundred thousand.
>
> Oh ... and Eukanuba ... do all the trendy dog food companies pump
> money into campaigns for the adoption of unwanted dogs in shelters the
> way Eukanuba does? Or do they just assume their customer base is
> limited to folks who feed trendy dog food to their AKC-registered
> canines?
>
> Just another point of view ...
>

I agree. A crap shoot is a good way to put it.


--
Sir Jackery

Cohen wrote:
[...]

> If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age,
> let's say, 10, and would have died at age
> 13, given a better diet, how will you tell
> the difference?

David, shut up. I studied cat food for 3 years in college. I think I
know what a better diet is.

> David

--
Curt

John M. Williams wrote:

> My cat is already 13, eats Iams kibble,
> and is in good health.

I wonder what your cat's thinking, though.

"Oh, dear God, please, when will the suffering end? Must I endure
another day of him posing in his underpants? END MY SUFFERING NOW, I
BESEECH YOU!"

http://www.fitnwell.net/Williams%20dopey%20large.jpg

Pity the kitty.

A guess, of course.

--
Curt

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote
>> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>>>
>>>> A massive pet food recall:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>>>
>>>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for
>>>> so
>>>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
>>>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>>>>
>>>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>>>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
>>>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick,
>>>> Paul
>>>> Newman's, etcetera.
>>>
>>> Screw that. 6 bucks for a 20lb bag of cat food at Winco. It wasn't on
>>> the recall list and my cats are in perfect health. I'd say the real
>>> moral to the story is premium != better. It's all the same, just
>>> different gimmicky marketing.
>>
>> Then that would make you incorrect.
>>
>> If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age, let's say, 10, and would have
>> died at age 13, given a better diet, how will you tell the difference?
>
> My cat, which I got when she was 6 weeks old, lived to the ripe old age of
> 18-1/2 years. I never stuck with one brand or even one type of cat food -
> varied brands of canned cat food, and switched brand of dry every few
> months as well.
>
> When my kids are, knock on wood, grown and gone from my house, we'll
> probably get another cat, but until then, two male human animals are all
> we can take care of here, and even that's tough.

There are the 120 year old Russians up in the Ural Mountains who smoke like
chimneys.

Therefore, smoking is not bad for you.

David

"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>"Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>>>
>>>> A massive pet food recall:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>>>
>>>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for
>>>> so
>>>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
>>>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>>>>
>>>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>>>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
>>>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick,
>>>> Paul
>>>> Newman's, etcetera.
>>>
>>> Screw that. 6 bucks for a 20lb bag of cat food at Winco. It wasn't on
>>> the
>>> recall list and my cats are in perfect health. I'd say the real moral to
>>> the story is premium != better. It's all the same, just different
>>> gimmicky
>>> marketing.
>>
>>Then that would make you incorrect.
>>
>>If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age, let's say, 10, and would have
>>died at age 13, given a better diet, how will you tell the difference?
>
> My cat is already 13, eats Iams kibble, and is in good health.

Doesn't answer the question. The answer is, you can't tell the difference.
All one can do is feed the highest quality diet one can afford, and make the
assumption that it probably helps.

It's the same philosophy I apply to life extentionist supplementation, and
we disagree there as well. The nice thing about a free country: you and
yours eat what you decide, me and mine do likewise. It's the American Way!



David

"Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
>> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:
>>>
>>>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>>>
>>>> A massive pet food recall:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>>>
>>>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for
>>>> so
>>>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
>>>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>>>>
>>>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>>>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
>>>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick,
>>>> Paul
>>>> Newman's, etcetera.
>>>
>>> Screw that. 6 bucks for a 20lb bag of cat food at Winco. It wasn't on
>>> the
>>> recall list and my cats are in perfect health. I'd say the real moral to
>>> the story is premium != better. It's all the same, just different
>>> gimmicky
>>> marketing.
>>
>> Then that would make you incorrect.
>>
>> If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age, let's say, 10, and would have
>> died at age 13, given a better diet, how will you tell the difference?
>>
> And some people fall for the gimmicky marketing.

True. I just HATE all the gimmicky marketing that Canidae, Merrick, Flint
River Ranch, etcetera, engage in. I mean, did you SEE that last TV
commercial by Old Mother Hubbard? The one with Shania Twain, naked, holding
her little pussy?

What? Didn't see it? Hmmm...

David

In article <1aoLh.14641$Jl.782@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
> > David Cohen wrote:
> >> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
> >>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
> >>>>
> >>>> A massive pet food recall:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
> >>>>
> >>>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for
> >>>> so
> >>>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
> >>>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
> >>>>
> >>>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
> >>>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
> >>>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick,
> >>>> Paul
> >>>> Newman's, etcetera.
> >>>
> >>> Screw that. 6 bucks for a 20lb bag of cat food at Winco. It wasn't on
> >>> the
> >>> recall list and my cats are in perfect health. I'd say the real moral to
> >>> the story is premium != better. It's all the same, just different
> >>> gimmicky
> >>> marketing.
> >>
> >> Then that would make you incorrect.
> >>
> >> If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age, let's say, 10, and would have
> >> died at age 13, given a better diet, how will you tell the difference?
> >>
> > And some people fall for the gimmicky marketing.
>
> True. I just HATE all the gimmicky marketing that Canidae, Merrick, Flint
> River Ranch, etcetera, engage in. I mean, did you SEE that last TV
> commercial by Old Mother Hubbard? The one with Shania Twain, naked, holding
> her little pussy?
>
> What? Didn't see it? Hmmm...
>
> David

My oldest cat (a Siamese) is 19...
A bit skinny as old cats tend to get hyperthyroidism, but she's till
doing well. :-)

A good diet, for ANY animal (including humans) can never hurt.
--
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"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>"Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
>>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>>>>
>>>>> A massive pet food recall:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>>>>
>>>>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for
>>>>> so
>>>>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
>>>>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>>>>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
>>>>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick,
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> Newman's, etcetera.
>>>>
>>>> Screw that. 6 bucks for a 20lb bag of cat food at Winco. It wasn't on
>>>> the
>>>> recall list and my cats are in perfect health. I'd say the real moral to
>>>> the story is premium != better. It's all the same, just different
>>>> gimmicky
>>>> marketing.
>>>
>>>Then that would make you incorrect.
>>>
>>>If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age, let's say, 10, and would have
>>>died at age 13, given a better diet, how will you tell the difference?
>>
>> My cat is already 13, eats Iams kibble, and is in good health.
>
>Doesn't answer the question. The answer is, you can't tell the difference.
>All one can do is feed the highest quality diet one can afford, and make the
>assumption that it probably helps.

Maybe I should start packaging regular dog food under the name "Tree
Hugger's Organic Gourmet" and labeling it with a pic of a dog wearing
a macrame collar, then quadrupling the price tag. Voila! Instant
high quality dog food!

BTW, mine have been eating several pounds of scraps of prime rib that
I brought home from a reverse raffle Friday night. They're not
complaining.

"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>
>>A massive pet food recall:
>>
>>http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>
>>What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for so
>>many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
>>Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>>
>>I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>>commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
>>foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick, Paul
>>Newman's, etcetera.
>>
>>I used to advise that, if you didn't, at least feed a premium one like
>>Iams
>>or Nutro or Eukanuba. WRONG! They had me fooled as well. Fuckers! Hope
>>they
>>get their asses sued off by the dead animal owners.
>
> It was the trendy organically-grown, all-natural spinach that spread
> E.coli all over the country. It's a crap shoot, and it has nothing to
> do with how expensive, organic, premium, or ultra-cool it is,
> regardless of whether it's human food or pet food.

Irrelevant analogy. None of the dog foods I recommended are "expensive,
organic, premium, or ultra-cool". They are simply made, carefully, by small
companies that do no mass marketing, and consist of high quality
ingredients, in the proper proportions.

> BTW, when I say it's crap shoot, if Menu Foods produces over a billion
> cans a year, there's a lot higher a probability of them turning out
> some bad cans than the little "premium" companies who probably turn
> out a few hundred thousand.

I wasn't particularly commenting of the recall itself. Shit happens. As I
said, above, "What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the
food for so many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the
"premium" Iams, Eukanuba, and Nutro." It's the latter companies that like to
portray themselves as "premium", better than the rest, when, as it turns
out, they simply have better marketing departments and a different label
design. Why are you buying Iams? Same stuff as Walmart Ol' Roy. This doesn't
piss you off? You don't want the difference in what you've paid all these
years for "premium" pet food back from Iams?

> Oh ... and Eukanuba ... do all the trendy dog food companies pump
> money into campaigns for the adoption of unwanted dogs in shelters the
> way Eukanuba does?

They do so in an amount commensurate with their much smaller size.

> Or do they just assume their customer base is
> limited to folks who feed trendy dog food to their AKC-registered
> canines?

Uncalled for snipe, irrelevant to the conversation, and not worth dignifying
with an answer.

David

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, JMW wrote:

> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> "JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A massive pet food recall:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for
>>>>>> so
>>>>>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
>>>>>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>>>>>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
>>>>>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick,
>>>>>> Paul
>>>>>> Newman's, etcetera.
>>>>>
>>>>> Screw that. 6 bucks for a 20lb bag of cat food at Winco. It wasn't on
>>>>> the
>>>>> recall list and my cats are in perfect health. I'd say the real moral to
>>>>> the story is premium != better. It's all the same, just different
>>>>> gimmicky
>>>>> marketing.
>>>>
>>>> Then that would make you incorrect.
>>>>
>>>> If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age, let's say, 10, and would have
>>>> died at age 13, given a better diet, how will you tell the difference?
>>>
>>> My cat is already 13, eats Iams kibble, and is in good health.
>>
>> Doesn't answer the question. The answer is, you can't tell the difference.
>> All one can do is feed the highest quality diet one can afford, and make the
>> assumption that it probably helps.
>
> Maybe I should start packaging regular dog food under the name "Tree
> Hugger's Organic Gourmet" and labeling it with a pic of a dog wearing
> a macrame collar, then quadrupling the price tag. Voila! Instant
> high quality dog food!

I think the market is already saturated with companies having that
business model. (-:

>
> BTW, mine have been eating several pounds of scraps of prime rib that
> I brought home from a reverse raffle Friday night. They're not
> complaining.
>

--
Sir Jackery

On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:

>
> "JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>>
>>> A massive pet food recall:
>>>
>>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>>
>>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for so
>>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
>>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>>>
>>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
>>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick, Paul
>>> Newman's, etcetera.
>>>
>>> I used to advise that, if you didn't, at least feed a premium one like
>>> Iams
>>> or Nutro or Eukanuba. WRONG! They had me fooled as well. Fuckers! Hope
>>> they
>>> get their asses sued off by the dead animal owners.
>>
>> It was the trendy organically-grown, all-natural spinach that spread
>> E.coli all over the country. It's a crap shoot, and it has nothing to
>> do with how expensive, organic, premium, or ultra-cool it is,
>> regardless of whether it's human food or pet food.
>
> Irrelevant analogy. None of the dog foods I recommended are "expensive,
> organic, premium, or ultra-cool". They are simply made, carefully, by small
> companies that do no mass marketing, and consist of high quality
> ingredients, in the proper proportions.
>
>> BTW, when I say it's crap shoot, if Menu Foods produces over a billion
>> cans a year, there's a lot higher a probability of them turning out
>> some bad cans than the little "premium" companies who probably turn
>> out a few hundred thousand.
>
> I wasn't particularly commenting of the recall itself. Shit happens. As I
> said, above, "What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the
> food for so many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the
> "premium" Iams, Eukanuba, and Nutro." It's the latter companies that like to
> portray themselves as "premium", better than the rest, when, as it turns
> out, they simply have better marketing departments and a different label
> design. Why are you buying Iams? Same stuff as Walmart Ol' Roy. This doesn't
> piss you off? You don't want the difference in what you've paid all these
> years for "premium" pet food back from Iams?

I absolutely agree. Now if I could just convince my girlfriend we could be
spending the extra money on good people-food.

>
>> Oh ... and Eukanuba ... do all the trendy dog food companies pump
>> money into campaigns for the adoption of unwanted dogs in shelters the
>> way Eukanuba does?
>
> They do so in an amount commensurate with their much smaller size.
>
>> Or do they just assume their customer base is
>> limited to folks who feed trendy dog food to their AKC-registered
>> canines?
>
> Uncalled for snipe, irrelevant to the conversation, and not worth dignifying
> with an answer.
>
> David
>
>
>

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Sir Jackery

"Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
>> > David Cohen wrote:
>> >> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
>> >>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A massive pet food recall:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>> >>>>
>> >>>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food
>> >>>> for
>> >>>> so
>> >>>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium"
>> >>>> Iams,
>> >>>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>> >>>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super
>> >>>> premium
>> >>>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural,
>> >>>> Merrick,
>> >>>> Paul
>> >>>> Newman's, etcetera.
>> >>>
>> >>> Screw that. 6 bucks for a 20lb bag of cat food at Winco. It wasn't on
>> >>> the
>> >>> recall list and my cats are in perfect health. I'd say the real moral
>> >>> to
>> >>> the story is premium != better. It's all the same, just different
>> >>> gimmicky
>> >>> marketing.
>> >>
>> >> Then that would make you incorrect.
>> >>
>> >> If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age, let's say, 10, and would
>> >> have
>> >> died at age 13, given a better diet, how will you tell the difference?
>> >>
>> > And some people fall for the gimmicky marketing.
>>
>> True. I just HATE all the gimmicky marketing that Canidae, Merrick, Flint
>> River Ranch, etcetera, engage in. I mean, did you SEE that last TV
>> commercial by Old Mother Hubbard? The one with Shania Twain, naked,
>> holding
>> her little pussy?
>>
>> What? Didn't see it? Hmmm...
>
> My oldest cat (a Siamese) is 19...
> A bit skinny as old cats tend to get hyperthyroidism, but she's till
> doing well. :-)
>
> A good diet, for ANY animal (including humans) can never hurt.

Exactly. Can I PROVE a better diet keeps dogs healthier, longer? Nope. But I
can afford to feed the slightly more expersive super premium dog foods
(which, after this revealing episode, I will refer to as high quality food,
as opposed to everything else), and will assume it helps, and, as you state,
"can never hurt".

If I were homeless, living in the park under the bridge, I'd feed, and
probably eat, Ol' Roys from Walmart. The vast majority of pet owners, who
spend literally BILLIONS of dollars a year on their animals, can afford high
quality foods. Many of them thought they were feeding high quality foods
when they fed Iams, Nutro, and Eukanuba. They were lied to.

David

In article <9b4sv21i3a5k0gijn8o975osbvsk9fu72d@4ax.com>,
JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
> >> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>>"Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
> >>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
> >>>>>
> >>>>> A massive pet food recall:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for
> >>>>> so
> >>>>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
> >>>>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
> >>>>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
> >>>>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick,
> >>>>> Paul
> >>>>> Newman's, etcetera.
> >>>>
> >>>> Screw that. 6 bucks for a 20lb bag of cat food at Winco. It wasn't on
> >>>> the
> >>>> recall list and my cats are in perfect health. I'd say the real moral to
> >>>> the story is premium != better. It's all the same, just different
> >>>> gimmicky
> >>>> marketing.
> >>>
> >>>Then that would make you incorrect.
> >>>
> >>>If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age, let's say, 10, and would have
> >>>died at age 13, given a better diet, how will you tell the difference?
> >>
> >> My cat is already 13, eats Iams kibble, and is in good health.
> >
> >Doesn't answer the question. The answer is, you can't tell the difference.
> >All one can do is feed the highest quality diet one can afford, and make the
> >assumption that it probably helps.
>
> Maybe I should start packaging regular dog food under the name "Tree
> Hugger's Organic Gourmet" and labeling it with a pic of a dog wearing
> a macrame collar, then quadrupling the price tag. Voila! Instant
> high quality dog food!
>
> BTW, mine have been eating several pounds of scraps of prime rib that
> I brought home from a reverse raffle Friday night. They're not
> complaining.

<lol> It's not like dogs are carnivores or anything....
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:

>
> "JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> "Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
>>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> ...when it involves people's dogs and cats dying
>>>>>
>>>>> A massive pet food recall:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.menufoods.com/recall/
>>>>>
>>>>> What's most revealing is that this one company makes all the food for
>>>>> so
>>>>> many brands, from the cheapest Walmart Ol' Roy's to the "premium" Iams,
>>>>> Eukanuba, and Nutro.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been telling y'all for years that, if you are going to feed a
>>>>> commercial pet food, it should be one of the dozen or so super premium
>>>>> foods, like Canidae, Old Mother Hubbard, California Natural, Merrick,
>>>>> Paul
>>>>> Newman's, etcetera.
>>>>
>>>> Screw that. 6 bucks for a 20lb bag of cat food at Winco. It wasn't on
>>>> the
>>>> recall list and my cats are in perfect health. I'd say the real moral to
>>>> the story is premium != better. It's all the same, just different
>>>> gimmicky
>>>> marketing.
>>>
>>> Then that would make you incorrect.
>>>
>>> If your perfectly healthy cat dies at age, let's say, 10, and would have
>>> died at age 13, given a better diet, how will you tell the difference?
>>
>> My cat is already 13, eats Iams kibble, and is in good health.
>
> Doesn't answer the question. The answer is, you can't tell the difference.
> All one can do is feed the highest quality diet one can afford, and make the
> assumption that it probably helps.

I follow the same ideas. But I go the cheaper route, if one can't go tell
the difference why spend the extra money? I would think that a variety in
brands (organic to processed, cheap to expensive, vegetarian to meat,
etc.) would probably be the safest route to provide your animal with a
balanced diet. My girlfriend constantly acquires the 'spensive pet foods
and we alternate feeding them the cheap stuff and the 'spensive stuff at
arbitrary intervals. Funny thing though, my cats seem to like the 20lb/$6
stuff better than the expensive brands

>
> It's the same philosophy I apply to life extentionist supplementation, and
> we disagree there as well. The nice thing about a free country: you and
> yours eat what you decide, me and mine do likewise. It's the American Way!
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
>

To drift further off topic, how much do MFW cat owners feed their cats? I
house-sit for a friend who has two morbidly obese cats, one of which I have
to give insulin injections. If pets are incapable of regulating their
consumption in an environment of food surplus, how should we regulate it
for them?

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"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>"Sir Jackery" <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote
>>>>> On Sun, 18 Mar 2007, David Cohen wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>