ot: need help talking friend out of Gastric Bypass surgery

I just was informed by a friend that she's planning gastric bypass
surgery. She's in her 50s, diabetic, and seems to have fallen for the
marketing. She's overweight, but I wouldn't classify her as "morbidly
obese", even though there's apparently some standard level of obesity
needed to qualify for the procedure.

Everything I've read about GPs raises huge red flags. It's one of the
riskiest elective surgeries I know of. But she gushed about "diabetics
don't need insulin after the procedure!".

Since this is a fitness community, and at least some of us lift to
improve our looks, I figure there may be a few folks here with some
familiarity with the procedure. She's now had about six months of
tests, interviews, lessons and indoctrination, and I don't want to
come to her with wimpy cautions. Maybe somebody has a nice hammer of
info I can use..

On the other hand - maybe I'm wrong. Anyone know about Gastric Bypass
Surgery?

BLink
--------------------------
"The worst thing about censorship is [redacted]"

Brian Link wrote:
> I just was informed by a friend that she's planning gastric bypass
> surgery. She's in her 50s, diabetic, and seems to have fallen for the
> marketing. She's overweight, but I wouldn't classify her as "morbidly
> obese", even though there's apparently some standard level of obesity
> needed to qualify for the procedure.
>
> Everything I've read about GPs raises huge red flags. It's one of the
> riskiest elective surgeries I know of. But she gushed about "diabetics
> don't need insulin after the procedure!".
>
> Since this is a fitness community, and at least some of us lift to
> improve our looks, I figure there may be a few folks here with some
> familiarity with the procedure. She's now had about six months of
> tests, interviews, lessons and indoctrination, and I don't want to
> come to her with wimpy cautions. Maybe somebody has a nice hammer of
> info I can use..
>
> On the other hand - maybe I'm wrong. Anyone know about Gastric Bypass
> Surgery?
>
> BLink
> --------------------------
> "The worst thing about censorship is [redacted]"

Actually there have been studies on diabetics and gastric surgery
(including liposuction) all indicating that diabetics don't benefit
from such surgery.

I'd suspect that it's mostly because such folks don't have healthy
eating/work out habits to begin with...but call me crazy in a country
where roughly 25% of persons are FAT munchkins resembling ping pong
balls on toothpicks.

Oops, sorry, that last was from the "assholes doing bicep curls in the
squat cage" thread.

My bad.

In article <1162255869.127655.210970@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups .com>,
"EatMe" <trollsblow@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Brian Link wrote:
> > I just was informed by a friend that she's planning gastric bypass
> > surgery. She's in her 50s, diabetic, and seems to have fallen for the
> > marketing. She's overweight, but I wouldn't classify her as "morbidly
> > obese", even though there's apparently some standard level of obesity
> > needed to qualify for the procedure.
> >
> > Everything I've read about GPs raises huge red flags. It's one of the
> > riskiest elective surgeries I know of. But she gushed about "diabetics
> > don't need insulin after the procedure!".
> >
> > Since this is a fitness community, and at least some of us lift to
> > improve our looks, I figure there may be a few folks here with some
> > familiarity with the procedure. She's now had about six months of
> > tests, interviews, lessons and indoctrination, and I don't want to
> > come to her with wimpy cautions. Maybe somebody has a nice hammer of
> > info I can use..
> >
> > On the other hand - maybe I'm wrong. Anyone know about Gastric Bypass
> > Surgery?
> >
> > BLink
> > --------------------------
> > "The worst thing about censorship is [redacted]"
>
> Actually there have been studies on diabetics and gastric surgery
> (including liposuction) all indicating that diabetics don't benefit
> from such surgery.
>

His friend needs to do her research. Weight re-gain after that surgery
is not all that uncommon. If she does not know how to eat now, the
surgery is not going to help.

If she learns how to eat properly, she won't need it.

All that surgery REALLY does for you is force you to eat right. There
are also certain foods that you will not be able to eat for the rest of
your life. According to my Dr. (who did have the surgery), ice cream is
one of them.

She offered the surgery to me, I said no thanks. ;-)
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In news:dfvck2hnoo28phi8k5ur0l5il943ss30v2@4ax.com,
Brian Link <blink@visi.com> typed:
<snip>
> Since this is a fitness community, and at least some of us lift to
> improve our looks, I figure there may be a few folks here with some
> familiarity with the procedure. She's now had about six months of
> tests, interviews, lessons and indoctrination, and I don't want to
> come to her with wimpy cautions. Maybe somebody has a nice hammer of
> info I can use..

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/27/bu...5b1fee&ei=5070


> On the other hand - maybe I'm wrong. Anyone know about Gastric Bypass
> Surgery?
>
> BLink
> --------------------------
> "The worst thing about censorship is [redacted]"

"Brian Link" <blink@visi.com> wrote in message
news:dfvck2hnoo28phi8k5ur0l5il943ss30v2@4ax.com...
>I just was informed by a friend that she's planning gastric bypass
> surgery. She's in her 50s, diabetic, and seems to have fallen for the
> marketing. She's overweight, but I wouldn't classify her as "morbidly
> obese", even though there's apparently some standard level of obesity
> needed to qualify for the procedure.
>
> Everything I've read about GPs raises huge red flags. It's one of the
> riskiest elective surgeries I know of. But she gushed about "diabetics
> don't need insulin after the procedure!".
>
> Since this is a fitness community, and at least some of us lift to
> improve our looks, I figure there may be a few folks here with some
> familiarity with the procedure. She's now had about six months of
> tests, interviews, lessons and indoctrination, and I don't want to
> come to her with wimpy cautions. Maybe somebody has a nice hammer of
> info I can use..
>
> On the other hand - maybe I'm wrong. Anyone know about Gastric Bypass
> Surgery?

My knowledge consists of knowing two people who've had it, both of whom
are much lighter and much healthier as a result. One had the surgery
when it wasn't as common as it is now, maybe 7-8 years ago, and the
other had it about 3 years ago. They both considered it a "last
resort" - they felt they'd tried everything they could. We all know
they could have tried eating less without the surgery but both felt they
simply couldn't manage that. For these two people, the surgery has
worked out to be a good thing. The two aren't related, btw - one
female, one male. The guy went from 450 lbs. to 225, don't know the
numbers for the gal but they're similar. Neither exercised regularly
before or after the surgery, although the guy goes to regular physical
therapy now where he gets some small amount of exercise - he trashed his
knees carrying himself around all those years.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

Hi Steeve,

Your friend should go in for surgery if she qualifies after Doc
evaluation. It depends on her BMI, if over 35 than probaly she would
have to go for it. Trust me its easy said than done, to eat less and
excersie to reduce weight. I myself had been a victim of Obseity since
birth and had been fighting a continous losing battle with it for over
25 years. Did reduce on my own in 1980, close to 160 lbs, but it all
came back with double the force over the years. It's a medical problem
has to be treated. At 45 now had GB 10 months back in New Delhi, India,
where I live and since am down to 230 lbs from 425lbs should be able to
knock off another 40-50 in next 4 months or so. Now I have stop taking
medication for hypertension, diabetese medication is also reduced by
80% and probably this will also stop with further reduction.

BUT still have to maintain a healhty life style with all the weight I
was carrying earlier I use to do regular walking for over an hour every
day and 4 times in the Gym which though not use to be effective in
reducing my weight but it did prevent my time bomb from exploding. I
still continue that excersie regime but now with results and am a
changed person.

Bye

Inderjit

Steve Freides wrote:
> "Brian Link" <blink@visi.com> wrote in message
> news:dfvck2hnoo28phi8k5ur0l5il943ss30v2@4ax.com...
> >I just was informed by a friend that she's planning gastric bypass
> > surgery. She's in her 50s, diabetic, and seems to have fallen for the
> > marketing. She's overweight, but I wouldn't classify her as "morbidly
> > obese", even though there's apparently some standard level of obesity
> > needed to qualify for the procedure.
> >
> > Everything I've read about GPs raises huge red flags. It's one of the
> > riskiest elective surgeries I know of. But she gushed about "diabetics
> > don't need insulin after the procedure!".
> >
> > Since this is a fitness community, and at least some of us lift to
> > improve our looks, I figure there may be a few folks here with some
> > familiarity with the procedure. She's now had about six months of
> > tests, interviews, lessons and indoctrination, and I don't want to
> > come to her with wimpy cautions. Maybe somebody has a nice hammer of
> > info I can use..
> >
> > On the other hand - maybe I'm wrong. Anyone know about Gastric Bypass
> > Surgery?
>
> My knowledge consists of knowing two people who've had it, both of whom
> are much lighter and much healthier as a result. One had the surgery
> when it wasn't as common as it is now, maybe 7-8 years ago, and the
> other had it about 3 years ago. They both considered it a "last
> resort" - they felt they'd tried everything they could. We all know
> they could have tried eating less without the surgery but both felt they
> simply couldn't manage that. For these two people, the surgery has
> worked out to be a good thing. The two aren't related, btw - one
> female, one male. The guy went from 450 lbs. to 225, don't know the
> numbers for the gal but they're similar. Neither exercised regularly
> before or after the surgery, although the guy goes to regular physical
> therapy now where he gets some small amount of exercise - he trashed his
> knees carrying himself around all those years.
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com

<salwan@hotmail.com> wrote
> Hi Steeve,
>
> Your friend should go in for surgery if she qualifies after Doc
> evaluation. It depends on her BMI, if over 35 than probaly she would
> have to go for it. Trust me its easy said than done, to eat less and
> excersie to reduce weight. I myself had been a victim of Obseity since
> birth

You were born obese?

David

salwan@hotmail.com wrote:
> Hi Steeve,
>
> Your friend should go in for surgery if she qualifies after Doc
> evaluation. It depends on her BMI, if over 35 than probaly she would
> have to go for it. Trust me its easy said than done, to eat less and
> excersie to reduce weight.

Well, it's not easy, but it's even harder when you refuse to take
responsibility for it.

> I myself had been a victim of Obseity since
> birth and had been fighting a continous losing battle with it for over
> 25 years.

A victim. I see. Your own behavior had nothing to do with it?

> Did reduce on my own in 1980, close to 160 lbs, but it all
> came back with double the force over the years.

It just came back? All on its own? Amazing.

On Wed, 01 Nov 2006 02:30:23 GMT, "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
><salwan@hotmail.com> wrote
>> Hi Steeve,
>>
>> Your friend should go in for surgery if she qualifies after Doc
>> evaluation. It depends on her BMI, if over 35 than probaly she would
>> have to go for it. Trust me its easy said than done, to eat less and
>> excersie to reduce weight. I myself had been a victim of Obseity since
>> birth
>
>You were born obese?

No, he wrote he was a *victim of obesity*.

Perhaps his fat momma rolled over onto him right after delivery.

"Lucas Buck" <sbcpark@earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>><salwan@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> Hi Steeve,
>>>
>>> Your friend should go in for surgery if she qualifies after Doc
>>> evaluation. It depends on her BMI, if over 35 than probaly she would
>>> have to go for it. Trust me its easy said than done, to eat less and
>>> excersie to reduce weight. I myself had been a victim of Obseity since
>>> birth
>>
>>You were born obese?
>
> No, he wrote he was a *victim of obesity*.

<Curt spelling nanny mode> No, actually, what he wrote was "victim of
Obseity".

Obseity sounds much more interesting that obesity.

And more likely to victimize.

David
>
> Perhaps his fat momma rolled over onto him right after delivery.
>

David Cohen wrote:
> "Lucas Buck" <sbcpark@earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> <salwan@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> Hi Steeve,
>>>>
>>>> Your friend should go in for surgery if she qualifies after Doc
>>>> evaluation. It depends on her BMI, if over 35 than probaly she
>>>> would have to go for it. Trust me its easy said than done, to eat
>>>> less and excersie to reduce weight. I myself had been a victim of
>>>> Obseity since birth
>>>
>>> You were born obese?
>>
>> No, he wrote he was a *victim of obesity*.
>
> <Curt spelling nanny mode> No, actually, what he wrote was "victim of
> Obseity".
>
> Obseity sounds much more interesting that obesity.

Are you being obseitious?

>
> And more likely to victimize.
>
> David
>>
>> Perhaps his fat momma rolled over onto him right after delivery.



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"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
>> "Lucas Buck" <sbcpark@earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote
>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> <salwan@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Hi Steeve,
>>>>>
>>>>> Your friend should go in for surgery if she qualifies after Doc
>>>>> evaluation. It depends on her BMI, if over 35 than probaly she
>>>>> would have to go for it. Trust me its easy said than done, to eat
>>>>> less and excersie to reduce weight. I myself had been a victim of
>>>>> Obseity since birth
>>>>
>>>> You were born obese?
>>>
>>> No, he wrote he was a *victim of obesity*.
>>
>> <Curt spelling nanny mode> No, actually, what he wrote was "victim of
>> Obseity".
>>
>> Obseity sounds much more interesting that obesity.
>
> Are you being obseitious?

Obseiviously.

David