Outrageous Magazine Claim # 29,934,576

"Many bodybuilders find that carrying a frame stuffed with more muscle
than nature intended can be troublesome...if you're looking to work on
your functional strength, cardiovascular health and agility, maybe
bodybuilding isn't the way to go."

-- Brian Chamberlain, "Sits & Reps" column, FEB '08 Muscle Mag
International

COMMENT:

Holy cow, anecdotal confirmation of my worst fears!! I just noticed
the other day, while flexing and stretching in-between sets, that I
can no longer do that yoga-like thing twisting my interlocked hands
while extending my arms behind me -- my wrists are inflexible! Last
time I tried this movement was ten years ago, okay, but still...I
thought this was a God-given right, but now, especially in the gym, I
can hardly even bring my arms together behind my back with
straightened elbows....

I exercise for the fun of it, but it would seem that the disciplines
of resistance, endurance, and flexibility training are too different
and, at higher levels of achievement, mutually exclusive!

Monogamy sucks!

On Dec 23, 4:09*pm, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Many bodybuilders find that carrying a frame stuffed with more muscle
> than nature intended can be troublesome...if you're looking to work on
> your functional strength, cardiovascular health and agility, maybe
> bodybuilding isn't the way to go."
>
> -- Brian Chamberlain, "Sits & Reps" column, FEB '08 Muscle Mag
> International
>
> COMMENT:
>
> Holy cow, anecdotal confirmation of my worst fears!! *I just noticed
> the other day, while flexing and stretching in-between sets, that I
> can no longer do that yoga-like thing twisting my interlocked hands
> while extending my arms behind me -- my wrists are inflexible! *Last
> time I tried this movement was ten years ago, okay, but still...I
> thought this was a God-given right, but now, especially in the gym, I
> can hardly even bring my arms together behind my back with
> straightened elbows....
>
> I exercise for the fun of it, but it would seem that the disciplines
> of resistance, endurance, and flexibility training are too different
> and, at higher levels of achievement, mutually exclusive!
>
> Monogamy sucks!

I think that a balanced approach is the key.
wieght training shortens muscles while making them stronger,
stretching maintains normal range of movement, but
overstretching can actually weaken muscles,
endurance training such as running also tightens up the body, legs,
waist, lower back.
I have had numerous running enthusiasts come to yoga classes only
seeking to gain some flexibility. what they also found, as an
unexpected benefit, was that the yoga asanas while giving flexibility
also noticiably improved their cardio vascular endurance

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote


> thought this was a God-given right, but now, especially in the gym, I
> can hardly even bring my arms together behind my back with
> straightened elbows....

Are you serious? My muscles get in the way too, I can't touch my wrists
behind my back w/arms straight. Feels like my lats and triceps prevent it.
But I'm 5'8" and 148, and have never touched a weight (other than carrying
in the groceries). That will be obvious looking at a recent pic of me
running...

http://tinyurl.com/38zjst

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> schreef:

> I exercise for the fun of it, but it would seem that the disciplines
> of resistance, endurance, and flexibility training are too different
> and, at higher levels of achievement, mutually exclusive!

The stronger (thicker) a muscle gets, the more difficult it is too stretch.

Think of them as elastic bands.

And if you are continue to get bigger, your endurance will go down as well.

OTOH, we do not expect marathon runners to press 200 pounds overhead, do we?

--
Pete

"D Stumpus" <dstumpus_NOSP@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:UO6dnZTBd7PCoPLanZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@giganews.com :

> http://tinyurl.com/38zjst
>
>
>

What a fucking geek. Geez...

"D Stumpus" <dstumpus_NOSP@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:UO6dnZTBd7PCoPLanZ2dnUVZ_jqdnZ2d@giganews.com ...
>
> "Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>
>> thought this was a God-given right, but now, especially in the gym, I
>> can hardly even bring my arms together behind my back with
>> straightened elbows....
>
> Are you serious? My muscles get in the way too, I can't touch my
> wrists behind my back w/arms straight. Feels like my lats and triceps
> prevent it. But I'm 5'8" and 148, and have never touched a weight
> (other than carrying in the groceries). That will be obvious looking
> at a recent pic of me running...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/38zjst


I don't know what the hell is in your grocery bag but add some damn
calories. Lose another few pounds and your going to be the poster boy
for eating disorders. Love the shades.

-Doug weighed that much a birth

Doug (to Dan):
> Lose another few pounds and your going to be the poster boy
> for eating disorders.

Ah, the voice of twenty-first century small town (but not small-
bodied) America. ;-p

Pendejo, currently a bit chubby at 152#

On Dec 24, 12:02 am, "D Stumpus" <dstumpus_N...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
> Are you serious? My muscles get in the way too, I can't touch my wrists
> behind my back w/arms straight. Feels like my lats and triceps prevent it.
> But I'm 5'8" and 148, and have never touched a weight (other than carrying
> in the groceries). That will be obvious looking at a recent pic of me
> running...
>
> http://tinyurl.com/38zjst


Yeah, no joke! But I'm not saying "touch my wrists behind my back
with straight arms," I'm talking about that yoga move (I think it's
yoga) which you see kids do naturally, you know, when you were a kid,
and you interlocked your hands behind you, then twisted them
"around"....

I don't understand why you might have problems, though. It doesn't
seem like your triceps would prevent such a thing -- they're not big
at all!

On Dec 24, 8:22 am, "Doug Freese" <dfre...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
>
>
> I don't know what the hell is in your grocery bag but add some damn
> calories. Lose another few pounds and your going to be the poster boy
> for eating disorders. Love the shades.
>
> -Doug weighed that much a birth



Elite distance runners have that kind of a physique. Are you
surprised?

On Dec 24, 7:27 am, spotter <geekspot...@myisp.net> wrote:
>
>
> What a fucking geek. Geez...




Um, the guy's obviously a distance runner.

On Dec 23, 4:40 pm, HB...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
> I think that a balanced approach is the key.
> wieght training shortens muscles while making them stronger,

Just curious...what explains someone like Jean-Claude Van Damm? Or
elite male gymnasts, for that matter. They are obviously well-built,
rivaling many an amateur (and natural [drug-free]) bodybuilder, but
extreme dexterous!

> stretching maintains normal range of movement, but
> overstretching can actually weaken muscles,

Yep, I've heard that. My own problem is, I'm not sure what
"overstretching" might mean...seems I don't make progress without
pushing against my limits....

> endurance training such as running also tightens up the body, legs,
> waist, lower back.

Apparently, one way to relieve pressure on the lower back while
running is to not lean forward!

> I have had numerous running enthusiasts come to yoga classes only
> seeking to gain some flexibility. what they also found, as an
> unexpected benefit, was that the yoga asanas while giving flexibility
> also noticiably improved their cardio vascular endurance

Yes, yoga is definitely on the agenda for '08! Is there a yoga
magazine, BTW, that you would recommend for beginners? The few I've
come across seem too much into that Age-of-Aquarius stuff, you
know...I'm not looking for religion or philosophy, I need actual
background info and useful ideas to apply in my own life....

"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote

> Yeah, no joke! But I'm not saying "touch my wrists behind my back
> with straight arms," I'm talking about that yoga move (I think it's
> yoga) which you see kids do naturally, you know, when you were a kid,
> and you interlocked your hands behind you, then twisted them
> "around"....
>
> I don't understand why you might have problems, though. It doesn't
> seem like your triceps would prevent such a thing -- they're not big
> at all!

My guess is that it's because I have narrow shoulders. Otherwise, I'm
pretty flexible -- I can hook my fingers behind my back with one elbow up
and one down, for example.

On Dec 26, 12:08 am, "D Stumpus" <dstumpus_N...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
>
> My guess is that it's because I have narrow shoulders.

Uh, you probably meant "broad" shoulders, right?

Your shoulders do look broad, but that's because of your arms! I
think they're "properly proportional" otherwise....

> Otherwise, I'm
> pretty flexible -- I can hook my fingers behind my back with one elbow up
> and one down, for example.

Not sure what you mean, 'cause I can do that too, though it does seem
like my muscles get in the way...but yeah, you look like you should be
flexible. Do you do yoga, by any chance? Maybe not with that philo-
religious bent I seem to find in all the yoga magazines, but do you
regularly incorporate its practical aspects into your routines?

I'll probably save full dedication to yoga practice for later on in
life, since I'm so busy with weights and bodybuilding right now, but
it's something I have had my eye on for a long time...I'm concerned
about establishing some kind of a good yoga foundation, as it were,
for when I do get totally serious about it, kinda like how teenage
calisthenics helped set me up pretty good for weight-lifting and
bodybuilding....

"D Stumpus" <dstumpus_NOSP@mindspring.com> wrote in
news:IqGdnS7MZuR4fOzanZ2dnUVZ_vCknZ2d@giganews.com :

>
> "Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote
>
>> Yeah, no joke! But I'm not saying "touch my wrists behind my back
>> with straight arms," I'm talking about that yoga move (I think it's
>> yoga) which you see kids do naturally, you know, when you were a kid,
>> and you interlocked your hands behind you, then twisted them
>> "around"....
>>
>> I don't understand why you might have problems, though. It doesn't
>> seem like your triceps would prevent such a thing -- they're not big
>> at all!
>
> My guess is that it's because I have narrow shoulders. Otherwise, I'm
> pretty flexible -- I can hook my fingers behind my back with one elbow
> up and one down, for example.
>
>
>
>

My guess would be, you are a skinny little twat.
your pal,
TBR

Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:4c91274e-dfe3-426c-aa56-9bdf3162b8d1@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 26, 12:08 am, "D Stumpus" <dstumpus_N...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> My guess is that it's because I have narrow shoulders.
>
> Uh, you probably meant "broad" shoulders, right?
>
> Your shoulders do look broad, but that's because of your arms! I
> think they're "properly proportional" otherwise....
>

C'mon on, he looks like a white ethiopiaon, only skinnier.

foil_account@yahoo.com wrote in news:84645b1d-e531-4a3b-aa81-
d9f001a157ea@l6g2000prm.googlegroups.com:

>> stretching maintains normal range of movement, but
>> overstretching can actually weaken muscles,
>
> Yep, I've heard that. My own problem is, I'm not sure what
> "overstretching" might mean...seems I don't make progress without
> pushing against my limits....
>

Dear dumbazz,
When it comes to stretching you cannot push your limits. Tendoins, joints,
ligaments, all have limits, and these are not flexible. You cannot train a
ligament to overstretch.
The problem with stretching is twofold. One is that most people who stretch
use it as a "warmup". Stretching is NOT a warmup. Second mistake is most
people stretch wrong.
Stretching anything but your dick, is unnatural.

On Dec 25, 5:20*pm, foil_acco...@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Dec 23, 4:40 pm, HB...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > I think that a balanced approach is the key.
> > wieght training shortens muscles while making them stronger,
>
> Just curious...what explains someone like Jean-Claude Van Damm? *Or
> elite male gymnasts, for that matter. *

that would be the balance between stregth and flexibity,cultivating
both simultaneously.

> They are obviously well-built,
> rivaling many an amateur (and natural [drug-free]) bodybuilder, but
> extreme dexterous!
>
> > stretching maintains normal range of movement, but
> > overstretching can actually weaken muscles,
>
> Yep, I've heard that. *My own problem is, I'm not sure what
> "overstretching" might mean...seems I don't make progress without
> pushing against my limits....
>

if you are feeling pain it is overstretching,
if your breathing is anything but slow and relaxed, it is over
stretching,
if your face contorts in wierd expressions of stoic endurance, you are
overstretching.


here would be a good spot to point out that yoga asanas are a lot more
than stretching.

as well, as far as lifting wieghts goes, the stretching is best done
at the end of each and every workout


> > endurance training such as running also tightens up the body, legs,
> > waist, lower back.
>
> Apparently, one way to relieve pressure on the lower back while
> running is to not lean forward!
>
> > I have had numerous running enthusiasts come to yoga classes only
> > seeking to gain some flexibility. what they also found, as an
> > unexpected benefit, was that the yoga asanas while giving flexibility
> > also noticiably improved their cardio vascular endurance
>
> Yes, yoga is definitely on the agenda for '08! *Is there a yoga
> magazine, BTW, that you would recommend for beginners?

nope.

>*The few I've
> come across seem too much into that Age-of-Aquarius stuff,

i agree.

> you
> know...I'm not looking for religion or philosophy, I need actual
> background info and useful ideas to apply in my own life....

best would be a good book and some classes with a qualified teacher
two books that i like for asana descriptions are, "LIGHT ON YOGA", and
"YOGA, the path to holistic health"
I am sure there are other good ones but I like these as they are short
and to the point.
here: http://www.bradpriddy.com/yoga/ you can get an idea of how
detailed the actual practice of yoga can be.

On Dec 26, 9:18 am, HB...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
> that would be the balance between stregth and flexibity,cultivating
> both simultaneously.

So how's it done, then? 'Cause that's my model of physical fitness,
to be both strong instantaneously and over time, as well as dexterous.

Do gymnasts weight train, or is their build solely a result of
calisthenic activities?

> if you are feeling pain it is overstretching,
> if your breathing is anything but slow and relaxed, it is over
> stretching,
> if your face contorts in wierd expressions of stoic endurance, you are
> overstretching.

Okay, but like I said, I don't seem to make progress without taking
myself past that point, bit by bit, time and time again. If I just do
something only vaguely uncomfortable, I never seem to progress.

> here would be a good spot to point out that yoga asanas are a lot more
> than stretching.

Ah....

> as well, as far as lifting wieghts goes, the stretching is best done
> at the end of each and every workout

Yes, I've heard that, though I do enjoy stretching before and during
lifting, too, like in-between sets. Seems natural, really.

> nope.

Damn, what's up with that??

> i agree.
>
> best would be a good book and some classes with a qualified teacher
> two books that i like for asana descriptions are, "LIGHT ON YOGA", and
> "YOGA, the path to holistic health"
> I am sure there are other good ones but I like these as they are short
> and to the point.
> here:http://www.bradpriddy.com/yoga/ you can get an idea of how
> detailed the actual practice of yoga can be.

Thanks for the refs!!

On Dec 26, 2:43 am, dumbazz <u...@snet.net> wrote:
>
>
> Dear dumbazz,
> When it comes to stretching you cannot push your limits. Tendoins, joints,
> ligaments, all have limits, and these are not flexible. You cannot train a
> ligament to overstretch.

A you talking to yourself? Allow me to note that stretching is about
stretching muscles, not joints, tendons, or ligaments, dumbazz.

> The problem with stretching is twofold. One is that most people who stretch
> use it as a "warmup". Stretching is NOT a warmup.

Yes, we know that now.

> Second mistake is most
> people stretch wrong.

Indeed, if they dumbazzes who think "stretching" means pulling joints,
ligaments, and tendons.

> Stretching anything but your dick, is unnatural.

My penis does not "stretch," it simply grows.

I suggest you see an urologist ASAP.

On Dec 26, 2:37 am, enet guy <e...@net.net> wrote:
>
>
> C'mon on, he looks like a white ethiopiaon, only skinnier.


Yeah, and have you seen the Ethiopian who won the Berlin marathon this
year?

Hehe, for that matter, did you see that Messican heffe who got caught
cheating? That's hilarious...when trying to account for the fact that
he skipped two checkpoints in turning up a miraculous sub-5 pace for
the over-50 crowd, he offered that he only went through the finish
line to pick up his clothes...?!?!

Hehe, just goes to show that I'm exactly where I need to be, if some
are calling me fat while others call me skinny.


On Dec 26, 2:35 am, TBR <T...@tbrnet.net> wrote:
>
>
> My guess would be, you are a skinny little twat.
> your pal,
> TBR

On Dec 26, 10:34*am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Dec 26, 9:18 am, HB...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > that would be the balance between stregth and flexibity,cultivating
> > both simultaneously.
>
> So how's it done, then? *'Cause that's my model of physical fitness,
> to be both strong instantaneously and over time, as well as dexterous.
>
if you are lifting wieghts and over time you find your body getting
stiffer, tighter, with reduced range of movement, then you can know
for sure that you are not doing enough of the stretching part to
balance the stregth training.


> Do gymnasts weight train, or is their build solely a result of
> calisthenic activities?
>
I dont know any gymnasts, I imagine that like any other athelete they
do some wieght training, but the wieght training would be in the
service of their gymnastics, to enhance their gymnastics, not for the
sake of lifting things up and putting them down.

> > if you are feeling pain it is overstretching,
> > if your breathing is anything but slow and relaxed, it is over
> > stretching,
> > if your face contorts in wierd expressions of stoic endurance, you are
> > overstretching.
>
> Okay, but like I said, I don't seem to make progress without taking
> myself past that point, bit by bit, time and time again. *If I just do
> something only vaguely uncomfortable, I never seem to progress.
>

the way to make progress is to get into a routine and so some
everyday.
the "no pain no gain" approach to yoga generally leads to injury
leaving one worse off than before.


> > here would be a good spot to point out that yoga asanas are a lot more
> > than stretching.
>
> Ah....
>
> > as well, as far as lifting wieghts goes, the stretching is best done
> > at the end of each and every workout
>
> Yes, I've heard that, though I do enjoy stretching before and during
> lifting, too, like in-between sets. *Seems natural, really.
>

great, before, during and after,

> > nope.
>
> Damn, what's up with that??
>


??? fluff sells

> > i agree.
>
> > best would be a good book and some classes with a qualified teacher
> > two books that i like for asana descriptions are, "LIGHT ON YOGA", and
> > "YOGA, the path to holistic health"
> > I am sure there are other good ones but I like these as they are short
> > and to the point.
> > here:http://www.bradpriddy.com/yoga/you can get an idea of how
> > detailed the actual practice of yoga can be.
>
> Thanks for the refs!!

Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:0d8fe612-83d6-4af8-ba03-e3152842ec77@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com:

> A you talking to yourself? Allow me to note that stretching is about
> stretching muscles, not joints, tendons, or ligaments, dumbazz.
>

Are you me you stupid fuk? You wish. However dumbazz joints, ligaments, and
muscles are all involved in stretching, and the range of motion of the
joint (dictated by the length of tendoins etc) are what limit the
difference between a safe, effective stretch, and a damaging one.

>
> My penis does not "stretch," it simply grows.
>

Since things grow but don't ungrow, it must be several miles long by now,
yet I haven't seen you in any movies, or in the Guinness book of records.
Besides rumors are that it doesn't do anything anymore, which at your ripe
old age is perfectly understandable.



> I suggest you see an urologist ASAP.
>

I can get laid at home, why go there?

Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in news:652903e2-354c-
4541-950b-5c90da464552@x69g2000hsx.googlegroups.com:

>
> Yeah, and have you seen the Ethiopian who won the Berlin marathon this
> year?
>

I was watching, but I think he turned sideways and I couldn't see the lil
bastard.
These dummys in RRing think I'm kidding when I tell them etiopians are only
that fast because they know there's food at the end of the race. You will
NEVER see an etiopian running a race that doesn't offer snacks afterward,
there's just no incentive. See this is the key to america taking back
control of the road racing scene. Start sponsoring races where food is not
offered, and no etiopians will show up, and we'd start winning all these
races again.

Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_war@yahoo.com> wrote in news:91d175db-0fce-
4aaf-83fa-2ed5405ea5b3@t1g2000pra.googlegroups.com:

>
> Hehe, just goes to show that I'm exactly where I need to be, if some
> are calling me fat while others call me skinny.
>
>
> On Dec 26, 2:35 am, TBR <T...@tbrnet.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>> My guess would be, you are a skinny little twat.
>> your pal,
>> TBR
>
>

That should suite most of your personalitys. But MPD is treatable now.

On Dec 26, 12:00 pm, WarMachine <E...@home.net> wrote:
>
>
> I was watching, but I think he turned sideways and I couldn't see the lil
> bastard.

Hehe, he was so fast you missed him, huh?

> These dummys in RRing think I'm kidding when I tell them etiopians are only
> that fast because they know there's food at the end of the race. You will
> NEVER see an etiopian running a race that doesn't offer snacks afterward,
> there's just no incentive.

My motivation is coming up on women, one after the other. Of course,
these are the non-runners, which is why I can catch them -- but it's
also why they have nice shapely butts like melons. I also enjoy it
greatly when those with melons out front are running the other way,
towards me.

> See this is the key to america taking back
> control of the road racing scene. Start sponsoring races where food is not
> offered, and no etiopians will show up, and we'd start winning all these
> races again.

You're thinking of Kenyans, not Ethiopians.