Please help a beginner(!) (get rid of my gut!)

Hi; about a month back I decided to do something about being unfit, not
toned/muscled and having a saggy beer belly.

I've cut down my drinking to once a week and even then don't drink much
(5-6 pints). I will eat musli/cerial for breakfast, and then a
sandwich or salad for lunch, and every other day will skip dinner
completely, and when I do eat in the evenings i'm definitely getting no
more than 2000 calories a day. When I don't it's more like 1000. a
day.

I drink a lot of water and am never that hungry, I'm 24, only 5 foot 7
and weigh around 11stone so I doubt I even need the '2500' calories
recomended for the average guy.

So far, ever other day i've been in the gym for about an hour and a
half. I do 20 minutes on the high/uphill/interval settings on an
exercise bike, and i'm pretty nackered and pouring with sweat after,
but not so tried I can't go on. I've been gradually upping the
resistance but keeping to 20 minutes. I cover about 8km at the moment.
After this i'll hit a rowing machine and do about 3.5km for 20
minutes. I'll then use about 5-6 different resistance machines, doing
2 sets of 10 reps on each, and again have been gradually upping the
weight as I can.

I feel a lot fitter, and have some definition on most parts of my body,
apart from my belly/gut; it's still the same and sticks out majorly.
I've avoided intense situps since i'm told I should concentrate on
loosing bodyfat and just do say, 20-30 situps every other day to keep
the muscle underneath toned...

Does anyone have any advice on what I can change to what I'm doing
right now? and how I can get rid of my sticky out gut (ugh).

Thanks!

Feels good to be exercising at long last though!

Markus wrote:
[...]

> I do 20 minutes on the high/uphill/interval settings on an
> exercise bike, and i'm pretty nackered and pouring with
> sweat after, but not so tried I can't go on.

And so you should!

Have you ever read what competition bodybuilders often do while
cutting? I mean so far as cardio is concerned. Just 20 minutes is not
what I'd call very serious.

I'm happily carting my Buddha belly around just now, but if I was
making a run for more Robert Schuh-like dimensions - he of the 22-inch
waist - well, I'd be certain to do a.m. and p.m. cardio for at least 30
minutes each session.

[...]

> Does anyone have any advice on what I can change to what
> I'm doing right now? and how I can get rid of my sticky out
> gut (ugh).

Increase the cardio. Eat smaller meals more often, say five or six
meals a day. And, yes, check out http://theabsdiet.com/ or pick up the
book if it's available in your area.

Congratulations on returning to exercise. Best of luck with your
workouts.

--
Curt

On 19 Oct 2006 13:55:26 -0700, "Markus" <markus4412@yahoo.co.uk>
wrote:

>Hi; about a month back I decided to do something about being unfit, not
>toned/muscled and having a saggy beer belly.
>
>I've cut down my drinking to once a week and even then don't drink much
>(5-6 pints). I will eat musli/cerial for breakfast, and then a
>sandwich or salad for lunch, and every other day will skip dinner
>completely, and when I do eat in the evenings i'm definitely getting no
>more than 2000 calories a day. When I don't it's more like 1000. a
>day.
>
>I drink a lot of water and am never that hungry, I'm 24, only 5 foot 7
>and weigh around 11stone so I doubt I even need the '2500' calories
>recomended for the average guy.
>
>So far, ever other day i've been in the gym for about an hour and a
>half. I do 20 minutes on the high/uphill/interval settings on an
>exercise bike, and i'm pretty nackered and pouring with sweat after,
>but not so tried I can't go on. I've been gradually upping the
>resistance but keeping to 20 minutes. I cover about 8km at the moment.
> After this i'll hit a rowing machine and do about 3.5km for 20
>minutes. I'll then use about 5-6 different resistance machines, doing
>2 sets of 10 reps on each, and again have been gradually upping the
>weight as I can.
>
>I feel a lot fitter, and have some definition on most parts of my body,
>apart from my belly/gut; it's still the same and sticks out majorly.
>I've avoided intense situps since i'm told I should concentrate on
>loosing bodyfat and just do say, 20-30 situps every other day to keep
>the muscle underneath toned...
>
>Does anyone have any advice on what I can change to what I'm doing
>right now? and how I can get rid of my sticky out gut (ugh).
>
>Thanks!
>
>Feels good to be exercising at long last though!

This might not help with the weight but I would change a couple of
things in your routine. I would do the weight training before the
cardio workout. I think you will get more out of it if you are fresh
whereas the cardio it doesn't really matter. I also wouldn't skip
meals. You can keep it light and just eat an apple or something if you
want.

Everything else looks o.k. Have you been tracking body fat
percentage and how much your weigh? On men the beer belly can be the
last thing to go. It may be gradually shrinking but you just haven't
noticed yet. If it really isn't working try adding another ten
minutes of cardio each day.

Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
> "Markus" <markus4412@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Hi; about a month back I decided to do something about being unfit, not
>>toned/muscled and having a saggy beer belly.
>>
>>I've cut down my drinking to once a week and even then don't drink much
>>(5-6 pints). I will eat musli/cerial for breakfast, and then a
>>sandwich or salad for lunch, and every other day will skip dinner
>>completely, and when I do eat in the evenings i'm definitely getting no
>>more than 2000 calories a day. When I don't it's more like 1000. a
>>day.
....

> I also wouldn't skip meals. You can keep it light and just eat an
> apple or something if you want.

There is nothing wrong with skipping meals, if it doesn't provoke
binging. I eat only in the evening. No beer belly.

Shute wrote:
> On 19 Oct 2006 13:55:26 -0700, "Markus" <markus4412@yahoo.co.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi; about a month back I decided to do something about being unfit,
>> not toned/muscled and having a saggy beer belly.
>>
>> I've cut down my drinking to once a week and even then don't drink
>> much (5-6 pints). I will eat musli/cerial for breakfast, and then a
>> sandwich or salad for lunch, and every other day will skip dinner
>> completely, and when I do eat in the evenings i'm definitely getting
>> no more than 2000 calories a day. When I don't it's more like 1000.
>> a day.

How many grams of protein per day? How much fat?



>>
>> I drink a lot of water and am never that hungry, I'm 24, only 5 foot
>> 7 and weigh around 11stone so I doubt I even need the '2500' calories
>> recomended for the average guy.
>>
>> So far, ever other day i've been in the gym for about an hour and a
>> half. I do 20 minutes on the high/uphill/interval

Which high setting; most bikes have a setting relating to levels?


> settings on an
>> exercise bike, and i'm pretty nackered and pouring with sweat after,
>> but not so tried I can't go on. I've been gradually upping the
>> resistance but keeping to 20 minutes. I cover about 8km at the
>> moment. After this i'll hit a rowing machine and do about 3.5km for
>> 20 minutes.

To be honest with you, that's quite feeble. I'm just on my way back to
building my aerobic endurance, and looking at my log I did 3.5k a few weeks
ago in 13mins 38secs.

> I'll then use about 5-6 different resistance machines,
>> doing 2 sets of 10 reps on each, and again have been gradually
>> upping the weight as I can.
>>
>> I feel a lot fitter, and have some definition on most parts of my
>> body, apart from my belly/gut; it's still the same and sticks out
>> majorly. I've avoided intense situps since i'm told I should
>> concentrate on loosing bodyfat and just do say, 20-30 situps every
>> other day to keep the muscle underneath toned...
>>
>> Does anyone have any advice on what I can change to what I'm doing
>> right now? and how I can get rid of my sticky out gut (ugh).
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Feels good to be exercising at long last though!
>
> This might not help with the weight but I would change a couple of
> things in your routine. I would do the weight training before the
> cardio workout.

Absolutely agree with this. Do weights when you energy is highest.

> I think you will get more out of it if you are fresh
> whereas the cardio it doesn't really matter. I also wouldn't skip
> meals. You can keep it light and just eat an apple or something if you
> want.
>
> Everything else looks o.k. Have you been tracking body fat
> percentage and how much your weigh? On men the beer belly can be the
> last thing to go. It may be gradually shrinking but you just haven't
> noticed yet. If it really isn't working try adding another ten
> minutes of cardio each day.

Yeah right; you really think another 40 kcals per day is gonna make that
much difference. That's 30 weeks to lose another pound of lard!!!

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

"Markus" <markus4412@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1161291326.505134.182360@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
> Hi; about a month back I decided to do something about being unfit,
> not
> toned/muscled and having a saggy beer belly.
>
> I've cut down my drinking to once a week and even then don't drink
> much
> (5-6 pints).

5-6 pints at a sitting qualifies as "don't drink much?" For me, that
would be a _lot_ of beer. I think a pint or two qualifies as not much.

> I will eat musli/cerial for breakfast, and then a
> sandwich or salad for lunch, and every other day will skip dinner
> completely, and when I do eat in the evenings i'm definitely getting
> no
> more than 2000 calories a day. When I don't it's more like 1000. a
> day.
>
> I drink a lot of water and am never that hungry, I'm 24, only 5 foot 7
> and weigh around 11stone so I doubt I even need the '2500' calories
> recomended for the average guy.
>
> So far, ever other day i've been in the gym for about an hour and a
> half. I do 20 minutes on the high/uphill/interval settings on an
> exercise bike, and i'm pretty nackered and pouring with sweat after,
> but not so tried I can't go on. I've been gradually upping the
> resistance but keeping to 20 minutes. I cover about 8km at the
> moment.
> After this i'll hit a rowing machine and do about 3.5km for 20
> minutes. I'll then use about 5-6 different resistance machines, doing
> 2 sets of 10 reps on each, and again have been gradually upping the
> weight as I can.

High resistance on an exercise bike is not the best use of your time in
achieving overall fitness. Put the bike on a lower resistance - I use
the lowest or nearly the lowest setting - and work on a smooth, fast
"spin" type of cadence of at least 90 rpm, even 100 rpm or more is good.
You will get healthy knees and good cardio benefit this way. Then spend
your energy with weights to work against resistance.

> I feel a lot fitter, and have some definition on most parts of my
> body,
> apart from my belly/gut; it's still the same and sticks out majorly.
> I've avoided intense situps since i'm told I should concentrate on
> loosing bodyfat and just do say, 20-30 situps every other day to keep
> the muscle underneath toned...

Any resistance exercise is going to be helpful to you at this point -
just keep experimenting and finding what you enjoy doing. When you
can, squats and/or deadlifts will give your midsection a good workout,
too.

> Does anyone have any advice on what I can change to what I'm doing
> right now? and how I can get rid of my sticky out gut (ugh).

It sounds to me like you're doing pretty well. Keep paying attention to
how you feel and remember that the best exercise program is the one you
actually do - don't overtrain, don't get injured, don't force yourself
to do things that are completely unpleasant to you, and enjoy the
results you will be getting.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


> Thanks!
>
> Feels good to be exercising at long last though!
>

Steve Freides wrote:
> "Markus" <markus4412@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:1161291326.505134.182360@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>> Hi; about a month back I decided to do something about being unfit,
>> not
>> toned/muscled and having a saggy beer belly.
>>
>> I've cut down my drinking to once a week and even then don't drink
>> much
>> (5-6 pints).
>
> 5-6 pints at a sitting qualifies as "don't drink much?" For me, that
> would be a _lot_ of beer. I think a pint or two qualifies as not
> much.
>> I will eat musli/cerial for breakfast, and then a
>> sandwich or salad for lunch, and every other day will skip dinner
>> completely, and when I do eat in the evenings i'm definitely getting
>> no
>> more than 2000 calories a day. When I don't it's more like 1000. a
>> day.
>>
>> I drink a lot of water and am never that hungry, I'm 24, only 5 foot
>> 7 and weigh around 11stone so I doubt I even need the '2500' calories
>> recomended for the average guy.
>>
>> So far, ever other day i've been in the gym for about an hour and a
>> half. I do 20 minutes on the high/uphill/interval settings on an
>> exercise bike, and i'm pretty nackered and pouring with sweat after,
>> but not so tried I can't go on. I've been gradually upping the
>> resistance but keeping to 20 minutes. I cover about 8km at the
>> moment.
>> After this i'll hit a rowing machine and do about 3.5km for 20
>> minutes. I'll then use about 5-6 different resistance machines,
>> doing 2 sets of 10 reps on each, and again have been gradually
>> upping the weight as I can.
>
> High resistance on an exercise bike is not the best use of your time
> in achieving overall fitness. Put the bike on a lower resistance - I
> use the lowest or nearly the lowest setting - and work on a smooth,
> fast "spin" type of cadence of at least 90 rpm, even 100 rpm or more
> is good. You will get healthy knees and good cardio benefit this way.

WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't you think
that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the exercise????

[...]


--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
news:4ps8vqFkfjbfU1@individual.net...
> Steve Freides wrote:
>> "Markus" <markus4412@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>> news:1161291326.505134.182360@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>>> Hi; about a month back I decided to do something about being unfit,
>>> not
>>> toned/muscled and having a saggy beer belly.
>>>
>>> I've cut down my drinking to once a week and even then don't drink
>>> much
>>> (5-6 pints).
>>
>> 5-6 pints at a sitting qualifies as "don't drink much?" For me, that
>> would be a _lot_ of beer. I think a pint or two qualifies as not
>> much.
>>> I will eat musli/cerial for breakfast, and then a
>>> sandwich or salad for lunch, and every other day will skip dinner
>>> completely, and when I do eat in the evenings i'm definitely getting
>>> no
>>> more than 2000 calories a day. When I don't it's more like 1000. a
>>> day.
>>>
>>> I drink a lot of water and am never that hungry, I'm 24, only 5 foot
>>> 7 and weigh around 11stone so I doubt I even need the '2500'
>>> calories
>>> recomended for the average guy.
>>>
>>> So far, ever other day i've been in the gym for about an hour and a
>>> half. I do 20 minutes on the high/uphill/interval settings on an
>>> exercise bike, and i'm pretty nackered and pouring with sweat after,
>>> but not so tried I can't go on. I've been gradually upping the
>>> resistance but keeping to 20 minutes. I cover about 8km at the
>>> moment.
>>> After this i'll hit a rowing machine and do about 3.5km for 20
>>> minutes. I'll then use about 5-6 different resistance machines,
>>> doing 2 sets of 10 reps on each, and again have been gradually
>>> upping the weight as I can.
>>
>> High resistance on an exercise bike is not the best use of your time
>> in achieving overall fitness. Put the bike on a lower resistance - I
>> use the lowest or nearly the lowest setting - and work on a smooth,
>> fast "spin" type of cadence of at least 90 rpm, even 100 rpm or more
>> is good. You will get healthy knees and good cardio benefit this way.
>
> WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't you
> think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the exercise????

I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of 90-100
rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit, even with no
resistance. You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and report back
if you don't believe me.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


> [...]
>
>
> --
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>
>

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 05:48:55 +0000 (UTC), DZ
<8107@1031315582.326227082.32547.28726.3027> wrote:

>There is nothing wrong with skipping meals, if it doesn't provoke
>binging. I eat only in the evening. No beer belly.

I don't think it is wrong. I just think the benefits are not as great
as the seem to be. My body will slow itself down to adjust for the
skipped meal. I have less energy so I don't feel as good and I burn
less calories. On top of that my digestive system gets sluggish. I
feel much better if I just eat something light. And because my
metabolism doesn't slow down I think I burn up most of the calories.

Everybody's body is different in this sense. Yours may react in a
completely different way.

Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
> DZ wrote:
>>There is nothing wrong with skipping meals, if it doesn't provoke
>>binging. I eat only in the evening. No beer belly.
>
> I don't think it is wrong. I just think the benefits are not as great
> as the seem to be. My body will slow itself down to adjust for the
> skipped meal. I have less energy so I don't feel as good and I burn
> less calories. On top of that my digestive system gets sluggish. I
> feel much better if I just eat something light. And because my
> metabolism doesn't slow down I think I burn up most of the calories.
> Everybody's body is different in this sense. Yours may react in a
> completely different way.

You wouldn't need to burn more calories because by skipping a meal you
had not consumed them in the first place. Also, the "slow down" of
metabolism rate is mostly a fairy tale. The rate, being a scaled
quantity that accounts for the decrease in weight, doesn't
decrease. See here -
http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?cha...8083414B7F0000

"Understanding the mechanisms by which calorie restriction works ...
and developing medicines that reproduce its health benefits have been
tantalizing goals for decades ... The phenomenon was long attributed
to a simple slowing down of metabolism ... But this view now appears
to be incorrect. Calorie restriction does not slow metabolism in
mammals..."

In the "Biosphere" experiment the starved participants showed a modest
reduction in spent calories but that was explained by the difference
in activity.

Steve Freides wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
> news:4ps8vqFkfjbfU1@individual.net...
>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>> "Markus" <markus4412@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>> news:1161291326.505134.182360@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>>>> Hi; about a month back I decided to do something about being unfit,
>>>> not
>>>> toned/muscled and having a saggy beer belly.
>>>>
>>>> I've cut down my drinking to once a week and even then don't drink
>>>> much
>>>> (5-6 pints).
>>>
>>> 5-6 pints at a sitting qualifies as "don't drink much?" For me,
>>> that would be a _lot_ of beer. I think a pint or two qualifies as
>>> not much.
>>>> I will eat musli/cerial for breakfast, and then a
>>>> sandwich or salad for lunch, and every other day will skip dinner
>>>> completely, and when I do eat in the evenings i'm definitely
>>>> getting no
>>>> more than 2000 calories a day. When I don't it's more like 1000. a
>>>> day.
>>>>
>>>> I drink a lot of water and am never that hungry, I'm 24, only 5
>>>> foot 7 and weigh around 11stone so I doubt I even need the '2500'
>>>> calories
>>>> recomended for the average guy.
>>>>
>>>> So far, ever other day i've been in the gym for about an hour and a
>>>> half. I do 20 minutes on the high/uphill/interval settings on an
>>>> exercise bike, and i'm pretty nackered and pouring with sweat
>>>> after, but not so tried I can't go on. I've been gradually upping
>>>> the resistance but keeping to 20 minutes. I cover about 8km at the
>>>> moment.
>>>> After this i'll hit a rowing machine and do about 3.5km for 20
>>>> minutes. I'll then use about 5-6 different resistance machines,
>>>> doing 2 sets of 10 reps on each, and again have been gradually
>>>> upping the weight as I can.
>>>
>>> High resistance on an exercise bike is not the best use of your time
>>> in achieving overall fitness. Put the bike on a lower resistance -
>>> I use the lowest or nearly the lowest setting - and work on a
>>> smooth, fast "spin" type of cadence of at least 90 rpm, even 100
>>> rpm or more is good. You will get healthy knees and good cardio
>>> benefit this way.
>>
>> WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't you
>> think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the exercise????
>
> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of
> 90-100 rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit, even
> with no resistance.

So, let's get this straight. 3 mins of 95RPM, no resistance????

> You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and
> report back if you don't believe me.

Oh, 10 minutes then?

>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com
>
>
>> [...]
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bully
>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>
>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
>> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss



--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
news:4pt30uFkf93kU1@individual.net...
> Steve Freides wrote:
>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
>> news:4ps8vqFkfjbfU1@individual.net...
>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>> "Markus" <markus4412@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>> news:1161291326.505134.182360@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>> Hi; about a month back I decided to do something about being
>>>>> unfit,
>>>>> not
>>>>> toned/muscled and having a saggy beer belly.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've cut down my drinking to once a week and even then don't drink
>>>>> much
>>>>> (5-6 pints).
>>>>
>>>> 5-6 pints at a sitting qualifies as "don't drink much?" For me,
>>>> that would be a _lot_ of beer. I think a pint or two qualifies as
>>>> not much.
>>>>> I will eat musli/cerial for breakfast, and then a
>>>>> sandwich or salad for lunch, and every other day will skip dinner
>>>>> completely, and when I do eat in the evenings i'm definitely
>>>>> getting no
>>>>> more than 2000 calories a day. When I don't it's more like 1000.
>>>>> a day.
>>>>>
>>>>> I drink a lot of water and am never that hungry, I'm 24, only 5
>>>>> foot 7 and weigh around 11stone so I doubt I even need the '2500'
>>>>> calories
>>>>> recomended for the average guy.
>>>>>
>>>>> So far, ever other day i've been in the gym for about an hour and
>>>>> a
>>>>> half. I do 20 minutes on the high/uphill/interval settings on an
>>>>> exercise bike, and i'm pretty nackered and pouring with sweat
>>>>> after, but not so tried I can't go on. I've been gradually upping
>>>>> the resistance but keeping to 20 minutes. I cover about 8km at
>>>>> the
>>>>> moment.
>>>>> After this i'll hit a rowing machine and do about 3.5km for 20
>>>>> minutes. I'll then use about 5-6 different resistance machines,
>>>>> doing 2 sets of 10 reps on each, and again have been gradually
>>>>> upping the weight as I can.
>>>>
>>>> High resistance on an exercise bike is not the best use of your
>>>> time
>>>> in achieving overall fitness. Put the bike on a lower resistance -
>>>> I use the lowest or nearly the lowest setting - and work on a
>>>> smooth, fast "spin" type of cadence of at least 90 rpm, even 100
>>>> rpm or more is good. You will get healthy knees and good cardio
>>>> benefit this way.
>>>
>>> WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't you
>>> think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the exercise????
>>
>> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of
>> 90-100 rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit, even
>> with no resistance.
>
> So, let's get this straight. 3 mins of 95RPM, no resistance????
>
>> You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and
>> report back if you don't believe me.
>
> Oh, 10 minutes then?

Yes.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

>>
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>
>>
>>> [...]
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bully
>>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>>
>>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
>>> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>
>
>
> --
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>
>

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 20:31:01 +0000 (UTC), DZ
<12561@1563620975.156389942.30190.20227.5791> wrote:

>You wouldn't need to burn more calories because by skipping a meal you
>had not consumed them in the first place. Also, the "slow down" of
>metabolism rate is mostly a fairy tale. The rate, being a scaled
>quantity that accounts for the decrease in weight, doesn't
>decrease. See here -
>http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?cha...8083414B7F0000
>
>"Understanding the mechanisms by which calorie restriction works ...
>and developing medicines that reproduce its health benefits have been
>tantalizing goals for decades ... The phenomenon was long attributed
>to a simple slowing down of metabolism ... But this view now appears
>to be incorrect. Calorie restriction does not slow metabolism in
>mammals..."
>
>In the "Biosphere" experiment the starved participants showed a modest
>reduction in spent calories but that was explained by the difference
>in activity.

Except you are talking about calorie restriction and I am talking
about skipping a meal. I think if you ate three lighter meals in a
day it wouldn't have the same impact as skipping a meal altogether.
For years I have heard of studies saying children having breakfast do
better in school. I think it can cause the body to panic and slow
down. Think about it. If your employer suddenly starting paying you
less it might worry you some. But if they just stopped paying
anything you might panic. I don't think this happens in everybody.
It could be more psychological than physiological.

My information comes from personal experience. When I was a high
school wrestler I had to make weight in order to compete. Just an
eighth of a pound could make the difference between qualifying or not.
When I skipped lunch it saved me 1/4 of a pound. Yet I was tired and
wrestled like shit. If I ate I could have easily have run off the 1/4
of a pound and still had plenty of energy left. You need to be on a
really strict diet like this to see the difference.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:02:32 +0100, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
wrote:

>> Everything else looks o.k. Have you been tracking body fat
>> percentage and how much your weigh? On men the beer belly can be the
>> last thing to go. It may be gradually shrinking but you just haven't
>> noticed yet. If it really isn't working try adding another ten
>> minutes of cardio each day.
>
>Yeah right; you really think another 40 kcals per day is gonna make that
>much difference. That's 30 weeks to lose another pound of lard!!!

Well I can burn 140 calories in 10 minutes. I think that can make
difference. Besides I don't think he is doing anything wrong unless
he is just strutting along doing the cardio. His body is resisting
and I think changing any factor could switch him toward burning fat.
Once during my weight loss I had switched to a 4 day workout. For two
weeks I stopped losing weight until I switched back. That doesn't
make any sense but that is what happened. The body doesn't always do
the logical thing.

Shute wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 07:02:32 +0100, "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok>
> wrote:
>
>>> Everything else looks o.k. Have you been tracking body fat
>>> percentage and how much your weigh? On men the beer belly can be
>>> the last thing to go. It may be gradually shrinking but you just
>>> haven't noticed yet. If it really isn't working try adding another
>>> ten minutes of cardio each day.
>>
>> Yeah right; you really think another 40 kcals per day is gonna make
>> that much difference. That's 30 weeks to lose another pound of
>> lard!!!
>
> Well I can burn 140 calories in 10 minutes.

How do you know this?

> I think that can make difference.

> Besides I don't think he is doing anything wrong unless
> he is just strutting along doing the cardio.

He is. I had already pointed that out!

> His body is resisting
> and I think changing any factor could switch him toward burning fat.
> Once during my weight loss I had switched to a 4 day workout. For two
> weeks I stopped losing weight until I switched back. That doesn't
> make any sense but that is what happened. The body doesn't always do
> the logical thing.



--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Steve Freides wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
> news:4pt30uFkf93kU1@individual.net...
>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
>>> news:4ps8vqFkfjbfU1@individual.net...
>>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>> "Markus" <markus4412@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1161291326.505134.182360@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>>> Hi; about a month back I decided to do something about being
>>>>>> unfit,
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> toned/muscled and having a saggy beer belly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've cut down my drinking to once a week and even then don't
>>>>>> drink much
>>>>>> (5-6 pints).
>>>>>
>>>>> 5-6 pints at a sitting qualifies as "don't drink much?" For me,
>>>>> that would be a _lot_ of beer. I think a pint or two qualifies as
>>>>> not much.
>>>>>> I will eat musli/cerial for breakfast, and then a
>>>>>> sandwich or salad for lunch, and every other day will skip dinner
>>>>>> completely, and when I do eat in the evenings i'm definitely
>>>>>> getting no
>>>>>> more than 2000 calories a day. When I don't it's more like 1000.
>>>>>> a day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I drink a lot of water and am never that hungry, I'm 24, only 5
>>>>>> foot 7 and weigh around 11stone so I doubt I even need the '2500'
>>>>>> calories
>>>>>> recomended for the average guy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far, ever other day i've been in the gym for about an hour and
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> half. I do 20 minutes on the high/uphill/interval settings on an
>>>>>> exercise bike, and i'm pretty nackered and pouring with sweat
>>>>>> after, but not so tried I can't go on. I've been gradually
>>>>>> upping the resistance but keeping to 20 minutes. I cover about
>>>>>> 8km at the
>>>>>> moment.
>>>>>> After this i'll hit a rowing machine and do about 3.5km for 20
>>>>>> minutes. I'll then use about 5-6 different resistance machines,
>>>>>> doing 2 sets of 10 reps on each, and again have been gradually
>>>>>> upping the weight as I can.
>>>>>
>>>>> High resistance on an exercise bike is not the best use of your
>>>>> time
>>>>> in achieving overall fitness. Put the bike on a lower resistance
>>>>> - I use the lowest or nearly the lowest setting - and work on a
>>>>> smooth, fast "spin" type of cadence of at least 90 rpm, even 100
>>>>> rpm or more is good. You will get healthy knees and good cardio
>>>>> benefit this way.
>>>>
>>>> WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't you
>>>> think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the
>>>> exercise????
>>>
>>> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of
>>> 90-100 rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit, even
>>> with no resistance.
>>
>> So, let's get this straight. 3 mins of 95RPM, no resistance????
>>
>>> You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and
>>> report back if you don't believe me.
>>
>> Oh, 10 minutes then?
>
> Yes.
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com
>
>>>
>>> -S-
>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>
>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bully
>>>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>>>
>>>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
>>>> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bully
>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>
>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
>> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

....with no resistance?

OK after squats on Monday, wearing my HRM, I'll do 10 mins of low resistance
then 10 mins of hill/intervals at l15 and report back here.

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Steve Freides wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
> news:4pt30uFkf93kU1@individual.net...
>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
>>> news:4ps8vqFkfjbfU1@individual.net...
>>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>> "Markus" <markus4412@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>> news:1161291326.505134.182360@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>>> Hi; about a month back I decided to do something about being
>>>>>> unfit,
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> toned/muscled and having a saggy beer belly.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've cut down my drinking to once a week and even then don't
>>>>>> drink much
>>>>>> (5-6 pints).
>>>>>
>>>>> 5-6 pints at a sitting qualifies as "don't drink much?" For me,
>>>>> that would be a _lot_ of beer. I think a pint or two qualifies as
>>>>> not much.
>>>>>> I will eat musli/cerial for breakfast, and then a
>>>>>> sandwich or salad for lunch, and every other day will skip dinner
>>>>>> completely, and when I do eat in the evenings i'm definitely
>>>>>> getting no
>>>>>> more than 2000 calories a day. When I don't it's more like 1000.
>>>>>> a day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I drink a lot of water and am never that hungry, I'm 24, only 5
>>>>>> foot 7 and weigh around 11stone so I doubt I even need the '2500'
>>>>>> calories
>>>>>> recomended for the average guy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So far, ever other day i've been in the gym for about an hour and
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> half. I do 20 minutes on the high/uphill/interval settings on an
>>>>>> exercise bike, and i'm pretty nackered and pouring with sweat
>>>>>> after, but not so tried I can't go on. I've been gradually
>>>>>> upping the resistance but keeping to 20 minutes. I cover about
>>>>>> 8km at the
>>>>>> moment.
>>>>>> After this i'll hit a rowing machine and do about 3.5km for 20
>>>>>> minutes. I'll then use about 5-6 different resistance machines,
>>>>>> doing 2 sets of 10 reps on each, and again have been gradually
>>>>>> upping the weight as I can.
>>>>>
>>>>> High resistance on an exercise bike is not the best use of your
>>>>> time
>>>>> in achieving overall fitness. Put the bike on a lower resistance
>>>>> - I use the lowest or nearly the lowest setting - and work on a
>>>>> smooth, fast "spin" type of cadence of at least 90 rpm, even 100
>>>>> rpm or more is good. You will get healthy knees and good cardio
>>>>> benefit this way.
>>>>
>>>> WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't you
>>>> think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the
>>>> exercise????
>>>
>>> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of
>>> 90-100 rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit, even
>>> with no resistance.
>>
>> So, let's get this straight. 3 mins of 95RPM, no resistance????
>>
>>> You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and
>>> report back if you don't believe me.
>>
>> Oh, 10 minutes then?
>
> Yes.
>
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com
>
>>>
>>> -S-
>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>
>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Bully
>>>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>>>
>>>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
>>>> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Bully
>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>
>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
>> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

BTW: what was that about "You will get healthy knees " ?

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
> DZ wrote:
>>You wouldn't need to burn more calories because by skipping a meal you
>>had not consumed them in the first place. Also, the "slow down" of
>>metabolism rate is mostly a fairy tale. The rate, being a scaled
>>quantity that accounts for the decrease in weight, doesn't
>>decrease. See here -
>>http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?cha...8083414B7F0000
>>
>>"Understanding the mechanisms by which calorie restriction works ...
>>and developing medicines that reproduce its health benefits have been
>>tantalizing goals for decades ... The phenomenon was long attributed
>>to a simple slowing down of metabolism ... But this view now appears
>>to be incorrect. Calorie restriction does not slow metabolism in
>>mammals..."
>>
>>In the "Biosphere" experiment the starved participants showed a modest
>>reduction in spent calories but that was explained by the difference
>>in activity.
>
> Except you are talking about calorie restriction and I am talking
> about skipping a meal.

Then you're way off -

OP wrote:
"when I do eat in the evenings i'm definitely getting no more than
2000 calories a day. When I don't it's more like 1000 a day."

That's calorie restriction by skipping a meal.

"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
news:4pttfuFkacpqU1@individual.net...
> Steve Freides wrote:
>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
>> news:4pt30uFkf93kU1@individual.net...
>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
>>>> news:4ps8vqFkfjbfU1@individual.net...
>>>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>>> "Markus" <markus4412@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:1161291326.505134.182360@i3g2000cwc.googlegro ups.com...
>>>>>>> Hi; about a month back I decided to do something about being
>>>>>>> unfit,
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> toned/muscled and having a saggy beer belly.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've cut down my drinking to once a week and even then don't
>>>>>>> drink much
>>>>>>> (5-6 pints).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 5-6 pints at a sitting qualifies as "don't drink much?" For me,
>>>>>> that would be a _lot_ of beer. I think a pint or two qualifies
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> not much.
>>>>>>> I will eat musli/cerial for breakfast, and then a
>>>>>>> sandwich or salad for lunch, and every other day will skip
>>>>>>> dinner
>>>>>>> completely, and when I do eat in the evenings i'm definitely
>>>>>>> getting no
>>>>>>> more than 2000 calories a day. When I don't it's more like
>>>>>>> 1000.
>>>>>>> a day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I drink a lot of water and am never that hungry, I'm 24, only 5
>>>>>>> foot 7 and weigh around 11stone so I doubt I even need the
>>>>>>> '2500'
>>>>>>> calories
>>>>>>> recomended for the average guy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So far, ever other day i've been in the gym for about an hour
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> half. I do 20 minutes on the high/uphill/interval settings on
>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>> exercise bike, and i'm pretty nackered and pouring with sweat
>>>>>>> after, but not so tried I can't go on. I've been gradually
>>>>>>> upping the resistance but keeping to 20 minutes. I cover about
>>>>>>> 8km at the
>>>>>>> moment.
>>>>>>> After this i'll hit a rowing machine and do about 3.5km for 20
>>>>>>> minutes. I'll then use about 5-6 different resistance machines,
>>>>>>> doing 2 sets of 10 reps on each, and again have been gradually
>>>>>>> upping the weight as I can.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> High resistance on an exercise bike is not the best use of your
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> in achieving overall fitness. Put the bike on a lower resistance
>>>>>> - I use the lowest or nearly the lowest setting - and work on a
>>>>>> smooth, fast "spin" type of cadence of at least 90 rpm, even 100
>>>>>> rpm or more is good. You will get healthy knees and good cardio
>>>>>> benefit this way.
>>>>>
>>>>> WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't you
>>>>> think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the
>>>>> exercise????
>>>>
>>>> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of
>>>> 90-100 rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit,
>>>> even
>>>> with no resistance.
>>>
>>> So, let's get this straight. 3 mins of 95RPM, no resistance????
>>>
>>>> You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and
>>>> report back if you don't believe me.
>>>
>>> Oh, 10 minutes then?
>>
>> Yes.
>>
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>
>>>>
>>>> -S-
>>>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> [...]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Bully
>>>>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>>>>
>>>>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind
>>>>> don't
>>>>> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Bully
>>> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>>>
>>> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
>>> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>
> BTW: what was that about "You will get healthy knees " ?

The classic formula for cardio is time plus low resistance. Think
running, think spinning a bike at a high cadence in an easy gear, think
swimming a mile. If you take the cadence high enough, even with
_negative_ resistance, your pulse will get right up there. If you don't
believe me, ride a fixed gear bicycle down a steep hill - I've done it,
hit close to 180 rpm, at which point one's legs look more like a sewing
machine than a bicyclist, and you are actually resisting the forward
motion of the pedals - makes no difference, your heart rate will be
through the roof. If you want to give the cardio the real test, keep
the revs at 100 or higher.

For joint health, the classic formula is high repetitions - doing a
particular joint health movement for the number of repetitions that
matches your age in years is often suggested. If you are well fit on a
bicycle and spin a high cadence, you will almost never have knee
problems and you'll have healthy knees. Problems arise mostly from poor
bike fit and pushing too big a gear at too low a cadence.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


> --
> Bully
> Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk
>
> "Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
> matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
>
>

Steve Freides wrote:
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
<snip>
> > WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't you
> > think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the exercise????
>
> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of 90-100
> rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit, even with no
> resistance. You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and report back
> if you don't believe me.

pedalling 90-100rpm at the lowest resistance on an exercise bike won't
get my heartrate above 100bpm. at a medium resistance (5 of 10) will
get me to about 140. 8-9 will get me upwards of 170...

"Edward Scholl" <edscholl@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1161558033.482117.130790@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
> Steve Freides wrote:
>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
> <snip>
>> > WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't you
>> > think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the
>> > exercise????
>>
>> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of
>> 90-100
>> rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit, even with no
>> resistance. You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and report
>> back
>> if you don't believe me.
>
> pedalling 90-100rpm at the lowest resistance on an exercise bike won't
> get my heartrate above 100bpm. at a medium resistance (5 of 10) will
> get me to about 140. 8-9 will get me upwards of 170...

I have yet to see _any_ non-cyclists who can sustain 100 rpm for 10
minutes, let alone have it not get their heart rates up.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

In news:4q2jbsFlblecU1@individual.net,
Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
> "Edward Scholl" <edscholl@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1161558033.482117.130790@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
>> <snip>
>>>> WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't you
>>>> think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the
>>>> exercise????
>>>
>>> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of
>>> 90-100
>>> rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit, even with
>>> no resistance. You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and
>>> report back
>>> if you don't believe me.
>>
>> pedalling 90-100rpm at the lowest resistance on an exercise bike
>> won't get my heartrate above 100bpm. at a medium resistance (5 of
>> 10) will get me to about 140. 8-9 will get me upwards of 170...
>
> I have yet to see _any_ non-cyclists who can sustain 100 rpm for 10
> minutes, let alone have it not get their heart rates up.

it gets it up- just not a whole lot... my g/f can also sustain 100rpm for
waaay more than 10 minutes, and i wouldn't really call her a 'cyclist'- she
uses the exercise bike for cardio at the gym, and hasn't even done it for
that long. a high cadence feels unnatural for someone unused to it, but
people adapt REALLY quick. my g/f could do it w/in a week or two on the
exercise bike (w/ resistance)

"ed" <news_test@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote in message
news:i6V_g.15293$GR.3642@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
> In news:4q2jbsFlblecU1@individual.net,
> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
>> "Edward Scholl" <edscholl@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161558033.482117.130790@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
>>> <snip>
>>>>> WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't you
>>>>> think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the
>>>>> exercise????
>>>>
>>>> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of
>>>> 90-100
>>>> rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit, even with
>>>> no resistance. You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and
>>>> report back
>>>> if you don't believe me.
>>>
>>> pedalling 90-100rpm at the lowest resistance on an exercise bike
>>> won't get my heartrate above 100bpm. at a medium resistance (5 of
>>> 10) will get me to about 140. 8-9 will get me upwards of 170...
>>
>> I have yet to see _any_ non-cyclists who can sustain 100 rpm for 10
>> minutes, let alone have it not get their heart rates up.
>
> it gets it up- just not a whole lot... my g/f can also sustain 100rpm
> for
> waaay more than 10 minutes, and i wouldn't really call her a
> 'cyclist'- she
> uses the exercise bike for cardio at the gym, and hasn't even done it
> for
> that long. a high cadence feels unnatural for someone unused to it,
> but
> people adapt REALLY quick. my g/f could do it w/in a week or two on
> the
> exercise bike (w/ resistance)

Well, y'all are exceptional. I've never seen anyone but me on the
exercise bike at the gym pedaling anything close to 100 rpm, and
everyone I've invited to try hasn't been able to for more than a few
seconds. Part of the reason she may adapt quickly is that exercise bike
crank lengths tend to be shorter, I think, than those on real bikes. I
will have to check on that.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

In news:4q2ndvFjt3ahU1@individual.net,
Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
> "ed" <news_test@no-atwistedweb-spam.com> wrote in message
> news:i6V_g.15293$GR.3642@newssvr29.news.prodigy.ne t...
>> In news:4q2jbsFlblecU1@individual.net,
>> Steve Freides <steve@fridayscomputer.com> typed:
>>> "Edward Scholl" <edscholl@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1161558033.482117.130790@m73g2000cwd.googlegr oups.com...
>>>> Steve Freides wrote:
>>>>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote in message
>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> WTF? So lowest resistance, 90rpm? What about heart rate; don't
>>>>>> you think that has some bearing on the effectiveness of the
>>>>>> exercise????
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm a long time bikie and I can assure you that a few minutes of
>>>>> 90-100
>>>>> rpm pedalling will see your heart rate rise quite a bit, even with
>>>>> no resistance. You are invited to try 10 minutes of 95 rpm and
>>>>> report back
>>>>> if you don't believe me.
>>>>
>>>> pedalling 90-100rpm at the lowest resistance on an exercise bike
>>>> won't get my heartrate above 100bpm. at a medium resistance (5 of
>>>> 10) will get me to about 1