Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease

Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease



ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke, according
to a study.
The study in the Journal of the American Medical Association found that


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"Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
> Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease

> ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
> to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
> age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke, according
> to a study.

No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought it?

In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of tripping
over shit.

David

In article <SAh9h.2441$ql2.173@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
> > Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
>
> > ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
> > to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
> > age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke, according
> > to a study.
>
> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought it?
>
> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of tripping
> over shit.
>
> David

I wish I could get funding for "no brainer" research too. ;-)

Anyone want to fund a study on the number of hours of Television watched
and cardiovascular disease?

Watching too much TV will kill ya. Help me prove it!

About $10,000,000.oo should be enough.
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"Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
>> > Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
>>
>> > ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
>> > to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
>> > age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke, according
>> > to a study.
>>
>> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought it?
>>
>> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of tripping
>> over shit.

> I wish I could get funding for "no brainer" research too. ;-)
>
> Anyone want to fund a study on the number of hours of Television watched
> and cardiovascular disease?
>
> Watching too much TV will kill ya. Help me prove it!
>
> About $10,000,000.oo should be enough.

It would be funnier if it wasn't my goddamned tax money paying for this
crap!

David

Dnia 2006-11-23 David Cohen napisa³(a):
>
> "Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
>>> > Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
>>>
>>> > ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
>>> > to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
>>> > age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke, according
>>> > to a study.
>>>
>>> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought it?
>>>
>>> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of tripping
>>> over shit.
>
>> I wish I could get funding for "no brainer" research too. ;-)
>>
>> Anyone want to fund a study on the number of hours of Television watched
>> and cardiovascular disease?
>>
>> Watching too much TV will kill ya. Help me prove it!
>>
>> About $10,000,000.oo should be enough.
>
> It would be funnier if it wasn't my goddamned tax money paying for this
> crap!

Do not complain so much. First, I doubt it took more then a fraction
of a cent out of your pocket. Second, I'd be really glad to know if
higher body mass is a risk for health or just higher fat levels are
risky, for example. Before they go into this stuff they need to prove
beyond doubt that being fit actually helps. It's not oh so obvious. I
heard about a study in some scandinavian country where they found that
old people who started exercising actually lowered their life
expectancy and visited physicians more often.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2006-11-23 David Cohen napisa³(a):
>>
>> "Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote
>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
>>>>
>>>>> ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more
>>>>> likely to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other
>>>>> ailments in middle age that put them at greater risk of heart
>>>>> disease or stroke, according to a study.
>>>>
>>>> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have
>>>> thought it?
>>>>
>>>> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of
>>>> tripping over shit.
>>
>>> I wish I could get funding for "no brainer" research too. ;-)
>>>
>>> Anyone want to fund a study on the number of hours of Television
>>> watched and cardiovascular disease?
>>>
>>> Watching too much TV will kill ya. Help me prove it!
>>>
>>> About $10,000,000.oo should be enough.
>>
>> It would be funnier if it wasn't my goddamned tax money paying for
>> this crap!
>
> Do not complain so much. First, I doubt it took more then a fraction
> of a cent out of your pocket. Second, I'd be really glad to know if
> higher body mass is a risk for health or just higher fat levels are
> risky, for example. Before they go into this stuff they need to prove
> beyond doubt that being fit actually helps. It's not oh so obvious.
> I heard about a study in some scandinavian country where they found
> that old people who started exercising actually lowered their life
> expectancy and visited physicians more often.

Yeah, because they took up speed skating and broek their hips!

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matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Dnia 2006-11-23 Bully napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> Dnia 2006-11-23 David Cohen napisa³(a):
>>>
>>>> I wish I could get funding for "no brainer" research too. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Anyone want to fund a study on the number of hours of Television
>>>> watched and cardiovascular disease?
>>>>
>>>> Watching too much TV will kill ya. Help me prove it!
>>>>
>>>> About $10,000,000.oo should be enough.
>>>
>>> It would be funnier if it wasn't my goddamned tax money paying for
>>> this crap!
>>
>> Do not complain so much. First, I doubt it took more then a fraction
>> of a cent out of your pocket. Second, I'd be really glad to know if
>> higher body mass is a risk for health or just higher fat levels are
>> risky, for example. Before they go into this stuff they need to prove
>> beyond doubt that being fit actually helps. It's not oh so obvious.
>> I heard about a study in some scandinavian country where they found
>> that old people who started exercising actually lowered their life
>> expectancy and visited physicians more often.
>
> Yeah, because they took up speed skating and broek their hips!

So my grandpa is clear to pump iron, as long as she stays away from
skates? ;-)

--
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"Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote
> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>> Dnia 2006-11-23 David Cohen napisa³(a):
>>> "Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
>>>>>
>>>>>> ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more
>>>>>> likely to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other
>>>>>> ailments in middle age that put them at greater risk of heart
>>>>>> disease or stroke, according to a study.
>>>>>
>>>>> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have
>>>>> thought it?
>>>>>
>>>>> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of
>>>>> tripping over shit.
>>>
>>>> I wish I could get funding for "no brainer" research too. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> Anyone want to fund a study on the number of hours of Television
>>>> watched and cardiovascular disease?
>>>>
>>>> Watching too much TV will kill ya. Help me prove it!
>>>>
>>>> About $10,000,000.oo should be enough.
>>>
>>> It would be funnier if it wasn't my goddamned tax money paying for
>>> this crap!
>>
>> Do not complain so much. First, I doubt it took more then a fraction
>> of a cent out of your pocket.

Times all the crappy "duh" studies equals a lot of my cents. And which part
of "MY cents" is difficult to understand?

>> Second, I'd be really glad to know if
>> higher body mass is a risk for health or just higher fat levels are
>> risky, for example. Before they go into this stuff they need to prove
>> beyond doubt that being fit actually helps. It's not oh so obvious.
>> I heard about a study in some scandinavian country where they found
>> that old people who started exercising actually lowered their life
>> expectancy and visited physicians more often.
>
> Yeah, because they took up speed skating and broek their hips!

I thought it was base jumping.

David

David Cohen wrote:
> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
> > Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
>
> > ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
> > to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
> > age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke, according
> > to a study.
>
> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought it?
>
> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of tripping
> over shit.
>
> David

In a related article, male circumcision was found to be a vulgar form
of child abuse.

How do you feel about that David? : )


sexuallymutilated.com

Dnia 2006-11-23 David Cohen napisa³(a):
>
> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote
>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>>> Dnia 2006-11-23 David Cohen napisa³(a):
>>>>
>>>>> I wish I could get funding for "no brainer" research too. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyone want to fund a study on the number of hours of Television
>>>>> watched and cardiovascular disease?
>>>>>
>>>>> Watching too much TV will kill ya. Help me prove it!
>>>>>
>>>>> About $10,000,000.oo should be enough.
>>>>
>>>> It would be funnier if it wasn't my goddamned tax money paying for
>>>> this crap!
>>>
>>> Do not complain so much. First, I doubt it took more then a fraction
>>> of a cent out of your pocket.
>
> Times all the crappy "duh" studies equals a lot of my cents. And which part
> of "MY cents" is difficult to understand?

Most of the science is crap. Only 10% is roughly worth the money
spent. The problem is, that nobody knows which 10%. If you are
unwilling to pay for unimportant science, you'll face a problem in
explaining how come science is supposed to bring highest revenue from
"YOUR cent" invested.

--
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Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Dnia 2006-11-23 David Cohen napisa³(a):
>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote
>>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>>>> Dnia 2006-11-23 David Cohen napisa³(a):
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish I could get funding for "no brainer" research too. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone want to fund a study on the number of hours of Television
>>>>>> watched and cardiovascular disease?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Watching too much TV will kill ya. Help me prove it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About $10,000,000.oo should be enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be funnier if it wasn't my goddamned tax money paying for
>>>>> this crap!
>>>>
>>>> Do not complain so much. First, I doubt it took more then a fraction
>>>> of a cent out of your pocket.
>>
>> Times all the crappy "duh" studies equals a lot of my cents. And which part
>> of "MY cents" is difficult to understand?
>
>Most of the science is crap. Only 10% is roughly worth the money
>spent. The problem is, that nobody knows which 10%. If you are
>unwilling to pay for unimportant science, you'll face a problem in
>explaining how come science is supposed to bring highest revenue from
>"YOUR cent" invested.

Sometimes scientific studies are important to confirm the obvious in
order to disabuse people of silly, but stubbornly held, beliefs. For
instance, the notion that doing chins with weights suspended around
your neck is somehow better than using a dip belt.

Which again raises the issue of how the 90% gets peer-reviewed so
successfully.

There are active researchers out there, like Blair and Forrest, showing that
weight/fat is quite secondary to fitness, in the health process.
The questions then become, what is fitness, and what is health?
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"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ek4rrq$p6c$1@inews.gazeta.pl...
> Dnia 2006-11-23 David Cohen napisa³(a):
>>
>> "Bully" <bully1@proteinbars.co.ok> wrote
>>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>>>> Dnia 2006-11-23 David Cohen napisa³(a):
>>>>>
>>>>>> I wish I could get funding for "no brainer" research too. ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone want to fund a study on the number of hours of Television
>>>>>> watched and cardiovascular disease?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Watching too much TV will kill ya. Help me prove it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> About $10,000,000.oo should be enough.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be funnier if it wasn't my goddamned tax money paying for
>>>>> this crap!
>>>>
>>>> Do not complain so much. First, I doubt it took more then a fraction
>>>> of a cent out of your pocket.
>>
>> Times all the crappy "duh" studies equals a lot of my cents. And which
>> part
>> of "MY cents" is difficult to understand?
>
> Most of the science is crap. Only 10% is roughly worth the money
> spent. The problem is, that nobody knows which 10%. If you are
> unwilling to pay for unimportant science, you'll face a problem in
> explaining how come science is supposed to bring highest revenue from
> "YOUR cent" invested.
>
> --
> Andrzej Rosa 1127R
>

Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
>>> ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
>>> to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
>>> age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke, according
>>> to a study.
>>
>> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought it?
>>
>> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of tripping
>> over shit.
>
> I wish I could get funding for "no brainer" research too. ;-)
> Anyone want to fund a study on the number of hours of Television
> watched and cardiovascular disease? Watching too much TV will kill
> ya. Help me prove it! About $10,000,000.oo should be enough.

But is it "three to six times more likely" or some other number? The
devil is in the details.

"howard.aubrey@gmail.com" <howard.aubrey@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>David Cohen wrote:
>> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
>> > Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
>>
>> > ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
>> > to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
>> > age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke, according
>> > to a study.
>>
>> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought it?
>>
>> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of tripping
>> over shit.
>>
>> David
>
>In a related article, male circumcision was found to be a vulgar form
>of child abuse.
>
>How do you feel about that David? : )

How do you feel about the fact that uncircumcised males are almost 4
times as like to carry human papilloma virus, the most frequent cause
of cervical cancer?

Of course, it seems that most of the guys obsessed with the horrors of
male circumcision are gay, so that's no big deal, but for the rest of
us ...

Dnia 2006-11-23 Proctologically ViolatedCR napisa³(a):
> Which again raises the issue of how the 90% gets peer-reviewed so
> successfully.

It's good info, which just happens to be quite irrelevant.

> There are active researchers out there, like Blair and Forrest, showing that
> weight/fat is quite secondary to fitness, in the health process.
> The questions then become, what is fitness, and what is health?

You can ask this questions for free. Answers will cost some cents.

--
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Dnia 2006-11-23 JMW napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>Most of the science is crap. Only 10% is roughly worth the money
>>spent. The problem is, that nobody knows which 10%. If you are
>>unwilling to pay for unimportant science, you'll face a problem in
>>explaining how come science is supposed to bring highest revenue from
>>"YOUR cent" invested.
>
> Sometimes scientific studies are important to confirm the obvious in
> order to disabuse people of silly, but stubbornly held, beliefs.

True.

> For
> instance, the notion that doing chins

I was thinking about dips here. I'll probably stay with backpack for
chins.

> with weights suspended around
> your neck is somehow better than using a dip belt.

It is, if you want to get more chest involvement and some neck
strength as a freebie.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:36:06 -0500, JMW
<jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

>"howard.aubrey@gmail.com" <howard.aubrey@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>David Cohen wrote:
>>> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
>>> > Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
>>>
>>> > ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
>>> > to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
>>> > age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke, according
>>> > to a study.
>>>
>>> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought it?
>>>
>>> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of tripping
>>> over shit.
>>>
>>> David
>>
>>In a related article, male circumcision was found to be a vulgar form
>>of child abuse.
>>
>>How do you feel about that David? : )
>
>How do you feel about the fact that uncircumcised males are almost 4
>times as like to carry human papilloma virus, the most frequent cause
>of cervical cancer?
>
>Of course, it seems that most of the guys obsessed with the horrors of
>male circumcision are gay, so that's no big deal, but for the rest of
>us ...

....it is possible that aromatic smegma is considered a delicacy among
the limp wrists (not that there is anything wrong with them or that).

However, I suspect that smeg is not too popular in hetero culture, so
the 'chop' is probably a good idea if you don't want to manufacture it
and risk spreading disease...

In article <G4k9h.2355$sf5.837@newsread4.news.pas.earthlink.n et>,
"David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Omelet" <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote
> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
> >> > Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
> >>
> >> > ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
> >> > to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
> >> > age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke, according
> >> > to a study.
> >>
> >> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought it?
> >>
> >> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of tripping
> >> over shit.
>
> > I wish I could get funding for "no brainer" research too. ;-)
> >
> > Anyone want to fund a study on the number of hours of Television watched
> > and cardiovascular disease?
> >
> > Watching too much TV will kill ya. Help me prove it!
> >
> > About $10,000,000.oo should be enough.
>
> It would be funnier if it wasn't my goddamned tax money paying for this
> crap!
>
> David

I feel your pain.....
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In article <7370@412421104.46813127.4664.25784.24627>,
DZ <16939@1038919218.395425812.10319.19608.12851> wrote:

> Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
> >>> Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
> >>> ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
> >>> to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
> >>> age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke, according
> >>> to a study.
> >>
> >> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought it?
> >>
> >> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of tripping
> >> over shit.
> >
> > I wish I could get funding for "no brainer" research too. ;-)
> > Anyone want to fund a study on the number of hours of Television
> > watched and cardiovascular disease? Watching too much TV will kill
> > ya. Help me prove it! About $10,000,000.oo should be enough.
>
> But is it "three to six times more likely" or some other number? The
> devil is in the details.

You can manipulate statistics to prove just about anything you want.
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Proctologically Violated wrote:
> Which again raises the issue of how the 90% gets peer-reviewed so
> successfully.

Even for invited publications, the acceptance rate for this journal
(JAMA) is only 9% (2003 data). More than half of papers sent to the
journal are not even considered for review.

That particular article went through more than peer review as stated
in the acks. Some money were allocated through the career development
award. The granting agency assigned a representative for oversight of
the study, analysis, manuscript preparation and review, followed by
final approval.

Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
> DZ wrote:
>> Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
>> >>> Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
>> >>> ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
>> >>> to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
>> >>> age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke, according
>> >>> to a study.
>> >>
>> >> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought it?
>> >>
>> >> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of tripping
>> >> over shit.
>> >
>> > I wish I could get funding for "no brainer" research too. ;-)
>> > Anyone want to fund a study on the number of hours of Television
>> > watched and cardiovascular disease? Watching too much TV will kill
>> > ya. Help me prove it! About $10,000,000.oo should be enough.
>>
>> But is it "three to six times more likely" or some other number? The
>> devil is in the details.
>
> You can manipulate statistics to prove just about anything you want.

No, you can - either manipulate or be duped by a manipulation.
But those who know statistics can not.

Dnia 2006-11-23 DZ napisa³(a):
> Proctologically Violated wrote:
>> Which again raises the issue of how the 90% gets peer-reviewed so
>> successfully.
>
> Even for invited publications, the acceptance rate for this journal
> (JAMA) is only 9% (2003 data). More than half of papers sent to the
> journal are not even considered for review.
>
> That particular article went through more than peer review as stated
> in the acks. Some money were allocated through the career development
> award. The granting agency assigned a representative for oversight of
> the study, analysis, manuscript preparation and review, followed by
> final approval.

As a side note, I remember discussion in Polish media about financing
science. Many people cringe at the level of some publications which
come from less renown academic institutions, especially in such a poor
country like ours. However, they found that financing what in practice
boils down to private hobby of teachers in those institutions vastly
improves the level of education they provide. Without research they
become much worse teachers. We know. We've cut money for science down
to some ungodly low levels.

--
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Stalin: It's not who votes but who counts the votes.
It's not who reads the statistics, but who jumbles them up.
And a debate boils down to finger-pointing, because it's unlikely to be
understood by the audience.
And no *climate* of understanding can be created. O'Reilly, mebbe??
please...

So indeed the truth is in there, somewhere, and a statistician will know.
But we will not.
Ergo, the cholesterol scare.
And in debates, the better-looking debater always wins anyway.
--
------
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Absolutely Vote, but NOT for a Democrat or a Republican.
Ending Corruption in Congress is the *Single Best Way*
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The Solution is so simple--and inexpensive!

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"DZ" <3718@374417876.20289250.14981.22399.13684> wrote in message
news:26008@2889819510.77446994.31925.14644.17337.. .
> Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> DZ wrote:
>>> Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>> >> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
>>> >>> Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
>>> >>> ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more
>>> >>> likely
>>> >>> to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in
>>> >>> middle
>>> >>> age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke,
>>> >>> according
>>> >>> to a study.
>>> >>
>>> >> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought
>>> >> it?
>>> >>
>>> >> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of
>>> >> tripping
>>> >> over shit.
>>> >
>>> > I wish I could get funding for "no brainer" research too. ;-)
>>> > Anyone want to fund a study on the number of hours of Television
>>> > watched and cardiovascular disease? Watching too much TV will kill
>>> > ya. Help me prove it! About $10,000,000.oo should be enough.
>>>
>>> But is it "three to six times more likely" or some other number? The
>>> devil is in the details.
>>
>> You can manipulate statistics to prove just about anything you want.
>
> No, you can - either manipulate or be duped by a manipulation.
> But those who know statistics can not.
>

<howard.aubrey@gmail.com> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
>> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
>> > Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
>>
>> > ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
>> > to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
>> > age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke, according
>> > to a study.
>>
>> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought it?
>>
>> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of tripping
>> over shit.
>
> In a related article, male circumcision was found to be a vulgar form
> of child abuse.
>
> How do you feel about that David? : )

It's the way God intended us to be.

And as an atheist Jew, I know this.

How do you feel about the psychiatric condition that results in men being
obsessed with their long gone foreskins?

David
David

JMW wrote:
> "howard.aubrey@gmail.com" <howard.aubrey@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >David Cohen wrote:
> >> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
> >> > Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
> >>
> >> > ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
> >> > to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
> >> > age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke, according
> >> > to a study.
> >>
> >> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought it?
> >>
> >> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of tripping
> >> over shit.
> >>
> >> David
> >
> >In a related article, male circumcision was found to be a vulgar form
> >of child abuse.
> >
> >How do you feel about that David? : )
>
> How do you feel about the fact that uncircumcised males are almost 4
> times as like to carry human papilloma virus, the most frequent cause
> of cervical cancer?

How do you feel about the fact that the 1/4 " of flesh removed in a
mutilation, sorry, circumcision, has 10,000 more nerve endings than the
entire rest of the organ?

>
> Of course, it seems that most of the guys obsessed with the horrors of
> male circumcision are gay,

Got a link for that? Didn't think so, that would be most of the worlds
male population. Your deepest fantasy perhaps?

Charles wrote:
> On Thu, 23 Nov 2006 14:36:06 -0500, JMW
> <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>
> >"howard.aubrey@gmail.com" <howard.aubrey@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>David Cohen wrote:
> >>> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
> >>> > Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
> >>>
> >>> > ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
> >>> > to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
> >>> > age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke, according
> >>> > to a study.
> >>>
> >>> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought it?
> >>>
> >>> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of tripping
> >>> over shit.
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>
> >>In a related article, male circumcision was found to be a vulgar form
> >>of child abuse.
> >>
> >>How do you feel about that David? : )
> >
> >How do you feel about the fact that uncircumcised males are almost 4
> >times as like to carry human papilloma virus, the most frequent cause
> >of cervical cancer?
> >
> >Of course, it seems that most of the guys obsessed with the horrors of
> >male circumcision are gay, so that's no big deal, but for the rest of
> >us ...
>
> ...it is possible that aromatic smegma is considered a delicacy among
> the limp wrists (not that there is anything wrong with them or that).

Ever hear of 'soap and water'? It's a new invention.
>
> However, I suspect that smeg is not too popular in hetero culture, so
> the 'chop' is probably a good idea if you don't want to manufacture it
> and risk spreading disease...

And yet most women prefer unmutilated males if given a choice. I spent
some shore leave in Israel some time back and the Jewish girls would
line up at the docks asking for men who were intact. Smorgasbord!!!!

Your mom likes it too, just ask her...

In article <26008@2889819510.77446994.31925.14644.17337>,
DZ <3718@374417876.20289250.14981.22399.13684> wrote:

> Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
> > DZ wrote:
> >> Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>> Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
> >> >>> ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
> >> >>> to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
> >> >>> age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke,
> >> >>> according
> >> >>> to a study.
> >> >>
> >> >> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought
> >> >> it?
> >> >>
> >> >> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of
> >> >> tripping
> >> >> over shit.
> >> >
> >> > I wish I could get funding for "no brainer" research too. ;-)
> >> > Anyone want to fund a study on the number of hours of Television
> >> > watched and cardiovascular disease? Watching too much TV will kill
> >> > ya. Help me prove it! About $10,000,000.oo should be enough.
> >>
> >> But is it "three to six times more likely" or some other number? The
> >> devil is in the details.
> >
> > You can manipulate statistics to prove just about anything you want.
>
> No, you can - either manipulate or be duped by a manipulation.
> But those who know statistics can not.

Granted... So what percentage of the population understands statistics?
I only do because I'm a section supervisor and deal with them daily as
part of quality control.

I can guarantee that only 1/2 of my co-workers understand them, and
that's only because statistics are a required class for the BS-MT.
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Proctologically Violated wrote:
> Stalin: It's not who votes but who counts the votes.
> It's not who reads the statistics, but who jumbles them up.
> And a debate boils down to finger-pointing, because it's unlikely to be
> understood by the audience.
> And no *climate* of understanding can be created. O'Reilly, mebbe??
> please...
> So indeed the truth is in there, somewhere, and a statistician will know.
> But we will not.
> Ergo, the cholesterol scare.
> And in debates, the better-looking debater always wins anyway.

But there is nothing particular about statistics, which is a branch of
probability and thus a very precise discipline about decisions under
uncertainty. One can muddle the waters by using biochemistry slang
just as well.

Both true statements.
And the public would never know the difference in biochem either.
Ergo, dozens and dozens of bullshit diets.
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"DZ" <13521@2528829062.1926324859.14499.18802.31714> wrote in message
news:3951@1902330948.1577612174.8844.24978.10722.. .
> Proctologically Violated wrote:
>> Stalin: It's not who votes but who counts the votes.
>> It's not who reads the statistics, but who jumbles them up.
>> And a debate boils down to finger-pointing, because it's unlikely to be
>> understood by the audience.
>> And no *climate* of understanding can be created. O'Reilly, mebbe??
>> please...
>> So indeed the truth is in there, somewhere, and a statistician will know.
>> But we will not.
>> Ergo, the cholesterol scare.
>> And in debates, the better-looking debater always wins anyway.
>
> But there is nothing particular about statistics, which is a branch of
> probability and thus a very precise discipline about decisions under
> uncertainty. One can muddle the waters by using biochemistry slang
> just as well.
>

Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
> DZ wrote:
>> Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> DZ wrote:
>>>> Omelet <omp_omelet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> > "David Cohen" <sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>> >> "Ali" <aliagha.jafri@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >>> Poor fitness increases risk of heart disease
>>>> >>> ISLAMABAD: Poorly-fit young adults are three to six times more likely
>>>> >>> to develop diabetes, high blood pressure and other ailments in middle
>>>> >>> age that put them at greater risk of heart disease or stroke,
>>>> >>> according
>>>> >>> to a study.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> No? Really? I'm shocked! Shocked, I tell you!! Who would have thought
>>>> >> it?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> In related news, blind people were found to be at higher risk of
>>>> >> tripping
>>>> >> over shit.
>>>> >
>>>> > I wish I could get funding for "no brainer" research too. ;-)
>>>> > Anyone want to fund a study on the number of hours of Television
>>>> > watched and cardiovascular disease? Watching too much TV will kill
>>>> > ya. Help me prove it! About $10,000,000.oo should be enough.
>>>>
>>>> But is it "three to six times more likely" or some other number? The
>>>> devil is in the details.
>>>
>>> You can manipulate statistics to prove just about anything you want.
>>
>> No, you can - either manipulate or be duped by a manipulation.
>> But those who know statistics can not.
>
> Granted... So what percentage of the population understands statistics?

What does this have to do with your assertion that statistical
inference is faulty because one can "prove anything he wants"?

> I only do because I'm a section supervisor and deal with them daily
> as part of quality control.

Deal with them statistics, eh? :-)

> I can guarantee that only 1/2 of my co-workers understand them, and
> that's only because statistics are a required class for the BS-MT.

Understand "them" whom? What you call statistics is accounting.

Have a good holiday!

In article <3951@1902330948.1577612174.8844.24978.10722>,
DZ <13521@2528829062.1926324859.14499.18802.31714> wrote:

> Proctologically Violated wrote:
> > Stalin: It's not who votes but who counts the votes.
> > It's not who reads the statistics, but who jumbles them up.
> > And a debate boils down to finger-pointing, because it's unlikely to be
> > understood by the audience.
> > And no *climate* of understanding can be created. O'Reilly, mebbe??
> > please...
> > So indeed the truth is in there, somewhere, and a statistician will know.
> > But we will not.
> > Ergo, the cholesterol scare.
> > And in debates, the better-looking debater always wins anyway.
>
> But there is nothing particular about statistics, which is a branch of
> probability and thus a very precise discipline about decisions under
> uncertainty. One can muddle the waters by using biochemistry slang
> just as well.

You can make statistics look better depending on where you set your
tolerances. There can be a huge difference in chart appearance for
instance between 1, 2 and 3 standard deviations from the mean.

Most lab quality control uses 2 SD's at a 95% confidence limits.

This means that 1 out of every 20 lab results turned out can be wrong
and still be within acceptable statistical limits and quality control
parameters.

I told a Dr. this once, he was not happy to hear it. ;-)

The point in the above is that you can use statistics to attempt to
stereotype and depending on where the limits are set, you can be wrong a
significant percentage of the time but the visual chart looks impressive
to the ignorant masses.


It also bugs the hell out of me that a LOT of statistics can be
acceptably based on a sample size of only 20 subjects.

When I am setting values for a new machine, I use sets of 100 males and
100 females. I usually end up getting pretty close to nationally
published values.
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