protein before or during a workuot better then after a workout?

On 11 Nov 2006 10:12:16 -0800, "Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote:

>> And what the fuck did you do in high school John?
>> Play the tuba.
>
>Geez, what's wrong with the tuba? ;o)

There is nothing wrong with tuba Curt. John is constantly attacking
me for being a wrestler in high school. I played lots of sports
starting from a very young age. I was trying to get a feel what John
did in school. I suspect he didn't do anything at all. If so than
my applied knowledge of training far exceeds his.

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:15:55 -0500, willbrink@comcast.net (Will Brink)
wrote:

>In article <b3v9l2tf5oce0k9gnu51dl0ci6oipn6h9f@4ax.com>, Shute
><Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
> Their studies have involved the consumption of
>> >amino acids (sometimes in the form of whey or whole milk) and
>> >carbohydrates before, during, and after heavy resistance training.
>>
>> None of that is sugar.
>
>sugar = carbohydrate. The carbohydrates they use (sucrose, dextrose, etc)
>has already been explained to you. You are either trolling or an idiot, or
>both. Take your pick.

I am not trolling Will. John was talking about raw sugar. I
suggested more complex sugars in real food where a better alternative.
You get other benefits from those food and are less likely to consume
too much.

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 18:10:21 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> schreef:
>
>>>You have to realize that in the old days, a lot people looked at BBers as
>>>idiots, just because they were gulping down several protein shakes each
>>>day.
>
>>>Times change...
>
>> True. But I think there is a lot more crappy newly discovered crap
>> then useful information. Even pro bodybuilders get caught up in it
>> and will tell you how much better the new way is.
>
>They get paid to say such things.
>
>They still do what the old-timers did, with the addition of Gh and insuline,
>and even more protein and calories.
>
>Training methods, AFAIK, havent changed whatsoever.

I think some of the new discoveries do have benefits. They just don't
have a full grasp of what they mean yet. One big issue in their data
is the subjects used and the length of study. They tend to pick
beginners which can have very different results than experienced
lifters. And since most anything works for a short period of time the
results are often misleading.

On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:18:16 -0500, willbrink@comcast.net (Will Brink)
wrote:

>In article <ve1al2p7ngbgt75c7kh7l88s0h4kkb5v37@4ax.com>, Shute
><Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:15:21 -0500, JMW
>> <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Fat asses? This spring, you were at 33% body fat. That's clinically
>> >obese. At the beginning of September, you bragged about being down to
>> >22% body fat. Who's the fat ass, Shute?
>>
>> Where did you get that from your stalking file of me? I have been
>> down to 16% for quite a while now. That is well within the fit range
>> of body fat. I chose maintain that weight for a while before
>> proceeding further. I wasn't aware I needed approval or permission
>> from you to do so.
>
>You do if you are going to call people who have never been even close to
>16% "fat asses" when it's you who is fat.

Not close? What percentage of body fat is John in this picture:
http://www.rustyiron.net/john95a.jpg

Shute wrote:
> "Curt" wrote:
>
> >> And what the fuck did you do in high school John?
> >> Play the tuba.
> >
> >Geez, what's wrong with the tuba? ;o)
>
> There is nothing wrong with tuba Curt.

THANK GOD!

I was terribly concerned.

....

Seriously, I was just kidding on that part, Shute.

> John is constantly

A dick? A jerk? A controlling crybaby who MUST have his way or he'll go
into a tailspin?

Yeah. Some might say so.

> attacking me for being a wrestler in high school.

I wrestled in high school. Had no experience and went out for the team
in my senior year. That was fun. HA! I had an 0 and 3 record as a JV
wrestler and quit the team. It's a great sport, but it's probably more
fun if you have some knowledge. One guy told me that I should've stuck
it out. He had a 0 and something record as well. Said that they
wrestled some REALLY LOUSY teams later on. Although I regret quitting
the team, I always got a laugh out of the idea that if I'd continued
wrestling that I could have had a winning record due to some other
schmuck's suckage as an athlete.

That's what sports typically come down to, of course. Winners and
losers. For every Jason Burnell there's a John Hanson. ;o) For every 0
and 3 quitter there's a kid who sticks it through to the end. Kudos to
the competitors, winners and losers.

Oh, pull your underpants from around your ears, Hanny! I truly admire
you for competing. You go, John. Lose to Burnell some more!

> I played lots of sports starting from a very young age.

Same here. Well, starting in high school, actually. In elementary
school I participated in field day and won a blue ribbon. Oooooh! ha

But I was more of a reader than a pass, punt, and kick kid. Won blue
ribbons and prizes in art contests, though. And, yeah, track and field
and cross country in h.s. I even earned my varsity letter the one year
in c.c. (Everyone had broken legs. No, it wasn't my fault.)

> I was trying to get a feel what John did in school.
> I suspect he didn't do anything at all. If so than
> my applied knowledge of training far exceeds his.

Oh, forget that. Just be nice and you've got him beat personality wise.
Hands down. )

Hth.

--
Curt

Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On 11 Nov 2006 10:12:16 -0800, "Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>> And what the fuck did you do in high school John?
>>> Play the tuba.
>>
>>Geez, what's wrong with the tuba? ;o)
>
>There is nothing wrong with tuba Curt. John is constantly attacking
>me for being a wrestler in high school. I played lots of sports
>starting from a very young age. I was trying to get a feel what John
>did in school. I suspect he didn't do anything at all. If so than
>my applied knowledge of training far exceeds his.

In high school, just football and wrestling. In college, TKD and
rugby. Regular training with free weights began in college.

So I'm obviously not attacking you for being a high school wrestler.
It just doesn't qualify you for much in terms of knowing about
resistance training, especially since that was ... what ... 20 years
ago?

Let's talk about now. When was your last powerlifting competition?

"Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote
> Shute wrote:
>> "Curt" wrote:
>>
>> >> And what the fuck did you do in high school John?
>> >> Play the tuba.
>> >
>> >Geez, what's wrong with the tuba? ;o)
>>
>> There is nothing wrong with tuba Curt.
>
> THANK GOD!
>
> I was terribly concerned.

I played the tuba for five years, grades 8 through 12. To this day, I find
myself noticing the bass line of any music I listen to.

#218 playing the tuba.

David

Cohen wrote:
> "Curt" <curtjames@gmail.com> wrote
> > Shute wrote:
> >> "Curt" wrote:
> >>
> >> >> And what the fuck did you do in high school John?
> >> >> Play the tuba.
> >> >
> >> >Geez, what's wrong with the tuba? ;o)
> >>
> >> There is nothing wrong with tuba Curt.
> >
> > THANK GOD!
> >
> > I was terribly concerned.
>
> I played the tuba for five years, grades 8 through 12.
> To this day, I find myself noticing the bass line of any
> music I listen to.

Way to be incredibly on topic, Mr. Cohen. I commend you.

[...]

> David

--
Curt

John Williams wrote:

> In high school, just football and wrestling.

And did you suck? Or were you good at those sports? I've been
forthright. Well?

> In college, TKD and rugby.

College tae kwon do? Was that a club or a competitve sport? And how'd
you do in that? How long did you participate? Plus didn't you say you
sat on the bench for rugby?

> Regular training with free weights began in college.
[...]
> Let's talk about now.

Let's talk about your considerable lay off from regular training with
free weights, John. The part where you grew the spare tire and the
cats, eh?

> When was your last powerlifting competition?

When was yours?

And what were your lifts?

Curious minds and all. From one friend to another, pal.

--
Curt

Curt wrote:
> John Williams wrote:
>
> > In high school, just football and wrestling.
>
> And did you suck? Or were you good at those sports? I've been
> forthright. Well?

Lousy. Things fared better in college.

> > In college, TKD and rugby.
>
> College tae kwon do? Was that a club or a competitve sport? And how'd
> you do in that? How long did you participate?

1st Dan, May '82.

> Plus didn't you say you
> sat on the bench for rugby?

No.

> > Regular training with free weights began in college.
> [...]
> > Let's talk about now.
>
> Let's talk about your considerable lay off from regular training with
> free weights, John. The part where you grew the spare tire and the
> cats, eh?

Absolutely. And then there was the last ten years. A past perspective
(which is all that Shute appears to possess) and current developments,
combined with practical experience.

> > When was your last powerlifting competition?
>
> When was yours?
>
> And what were your lifts?

I guess you probably didn't catch this post, since you were busy
becoming the most hated person in RAB at that time:

http://groups.google.com/group/misc....cf93557?hl=en&

John Williams wrote:
> Curt wrote:
> > John Williams wrote:
> >
> > > In high school, just football and wrestling.
> >
> > And did you suck? Or were you good at those sports?
> > I've been forthright. Well?
>
> Lousy.

It happens. I certainly had more success in c.c. than I did in
wrestling. Although they're both fantastic sports that everyone should
have the opportunity to compete in.

> Things fared better in college.

I worked cumulative full-time hours in college.

> > > In college, TKD and rugby.
> >
> > College tae kwon do? Was that a club or a competitve sport?
> > And how'd you do in that? How long did you participate?
>
> 1st Dan,

Congratulations.

> May '82.

1982? That's (counts on fingers) 24 years ago. Do you still practice?
If not then your comments wrt Shute are - I would not be surprised, of
course - hypocritical.

> > Plus didn't you say you sat on the bench for rugby?
>
> No.
>
> > > Regular training with free weights began in college.
> > [...]
> > > Let's talk about now.
> >
> > Let's talk about your considerable lay off from regular training with
> > free weights, John. The part where you grew the spare tire and the
> > cats, eh?
>
> Absolutely. And then there was the last ten years. A past perspective
> (which is all that Shute appears to possess) and current developments,
> combined with practical experience.
>
> > > When was your last powerlifting competition?
> >
> > When was yours?
> >
> > And what were your lifts?
>
> I guess you probably didn't catch this post, since you were busy
> becoming the most hated person in RAB at that time:

heh

That didn't keep me busy at all, actually. ;o)

And despite your skewed perspective and the protestations of certain
RABbits, I have made some good friends in that ng both online and IRL.
Just as quantity does not equal quality necessarily, so, too, loud
cries and persistent whining do not equal truth necessarily.

> http://groups.google.com/group/misc....cf93557?hl=en&

I'll be certain to check that ASAP.

--
Curt

Shute wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:18:16 -0500, willbrink@comcast.net (Will Brink)
> wrote:
>
>> In article <ve1al2p7ngbgt75c7kh7l88s0h4kkb5v37@4ax.com>, Shute
>> <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:15:21 -0500, JMW
>>> <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Fat asses? This spring, you were at 33% body fat. That's
>>>> clinically obese. At the beginning of September, you bragged
>>>> about being down to 22% body fat. Who's the fat ass, Shute?
>>>
>>> Where did you get that from your stalking file of me? I have been
>>> down to 16% for quite a while now. That is well within the fit
>>> range of body fat. I chose maintain that weight for a while before
>>> proceeding further. I wasn't aware I needed approval or permission
>>> from you to do so.
>>
>> You do if you are going to call people who have never been even
>> close to 16% "fat asses" when it's you who is fat.
>
> Not close? What percentage of body fat is John in this picture:
> http://www.rustyiron.net/john95a.jpg

30% or thereabouts...

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

"Shute" <Shute@nowhere.com> schreef:

>>You do if you are going to call people who have never been even close to
>>16% "fat asses" when it's you who is fat.

> Not close? What percentage of body fat is John in this picture:
> http://www.rustyiron.net/john95a.jpg

I believe that was the "before" picture.

----
Pete

In article <f7uel2tv9s05i51u3fjbgnv59ha3rg7isg@4ax.com>, Shute
<Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:15:55 -0500, willbrink@comcast.net (Will Brink)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <b3v9l2tf5oce0k9gnu51dl0ci6oipn6h9f@4ax.com>, Shute
> ><Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
> > Their studies have involved the consumption of
> >> >amino acids (sometimes in the form of whey or whole milk) and
> >> >carbohydrates before, during, and after heavy resistance training.
> >>
> >> None of that is sugar.
> >
> >sugar = carbohydrate. The carbohydrates they use (sucrose, dextrose, etc)
> >has already been explained to you. You are either trolling or an idiot, or
> >both. Take your pick.
>
> I am not trolling Will.

You sure? :-)

> John was talking about raw sugar. I
> suggested more complex sugars in real food where a better alternative.

Depends as explained.

> You get other benefits from those food and are less likely to consume
> too much.

Two different issues and directed to two different groups of people.

In article <4tuel2lsqn1uesfqq8dnagbv2js9uv56oh@4ax.com>, Shute
<Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Nov 2006 16:18:16 -0500, willbrink@comcast.net (Will Brink)
> wrote:
>
> >In article <ve1al2p7ngbgt75c7kh7l88s0h4kkb5v37@4ax.com>, Shute
> ><Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 14:15:21 -0500, JMW
> >> <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Fat asses? This spring, you were at 33% body fat. That's clinically
> >> >obese. At the beginning of September, you bragged about being down to
> >> >22% body fat. Who's the fat ass, Shute?
> >>
> >> Where did you get that from your stalking file of me? I have been
> >> down to 16% for quite a while now. That is well within the fit range
> >> of body fat. I chose maintain that weight for a while before
> >> proceeding further. I wasn't aware I needed approval or permission
> >> from you to do so.
> >
> >You do if you are going to call people who have never been even close to
> >16% "fat asses" when it's you who is fat.
>
> Not close? What percentage of body fat is John in this picture:
> http://www.rustyiron.net/john95a.jpg

At least he can say that's his before pic. He didn't go from 30% plus to
16% then call others fat asses. I don't know what he is now, but anyone
male who works out and brags about being 16% while calling others fat,
needs to buy a mirror and a clue.

Pete wrote:
>
> I remember i was freaked by a picture of Nubret when i was 12 or 13. Then i
> saw a few pictures of Sergio. I had no idea who Arnold was, at the time.
>
> ----
> Pete

nubret was awesome, too. i'd only ever seen a pic or two of him before
i got pumping iron on vhs. nubret has a very elegant physique. so,
was he in french porn, or what?

On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 18:14:27 -0500, Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Nov 2006 12:49:06 -0800, Lucas Buck
><sbcpark@earthlink.NOSPAM.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 12:04:16 -0500, Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 09 Nov 2006 05:46:26 GMT, "David Cohen"
>>><sammiesdad@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"JMW" <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote
>>>>> Shute <Shute@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>>> JMW <jmwilliams@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>One other matter: the analysis you gave applies to protein PLUS
>>>>>>>CARBOHYDRATES. Consume something sugary that will supply immediate
>>>>>>>glucose. Sucrose (table sugar) is OK; something even higher in
>>>>>>>glucose (i.e., more than 50%) is even better. Avoid stuff that's
>>>>>>>sweetened with apple or pear juice or HFCS 90 (the type of high
>>>>>>>fructose corn syrup used in instant drink mixes).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sounds like great advice is someone wants to become a fat ass.
>>>>>
>>>>> Oh, please do tell us: Why is that?
>>>>
>>>>Oh, please does he have to? The list of things about which Poop Shute is
>>>>utterly ignorant of, and anxious to post about, is getting a bit unwieldy.
>>>>
>>>>It would be easier to list things he does know something about.
>>>>
>>>>1) <eventually insert something here, one has to just hope>
>>>>
>>>>David
>>>
>>>Lets (sic) see. Your (sic) both fat asses and (sic) you don't know what made you that
>>>way. Why should I bother to help you again. (sic) I could care less (sic) if you
>>>roll over and squash your girlfriend one night in bed.
>>>
>>>I realize John is just an idiot (sic) but your (sic) a nurse (sic) Cohen. ...
>>
>>And your command of the English language really, really sucks.
>
>What (sic) did your computer malfunction. (sic) What is with all the (sic) stuff. (sic)

Here you go, dipshit:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic

Focus on the "to highlight an error, often for the purpose of ridicule or irony" part.

Each (sic) denotes a grammar, usage, or spelling error on your part.