Protein Intake

I am new to weight lifting. I have lost an average of 18lbs so far just
going
to the gym. I began doing research and found that protein should be high
in my diet for muscle growth. So I started consuming whey protein recently.
However I find it difficult to get the number of grams suggested by most
(which
is around 160-200g). I usually get around 100g. How can I increase the
number of grams of protein
without stuffing myself with shakes? or should I aim lower for my weight?
I am currently doing four day split routines.

Thank you.

On Aug 16, 2:28 pm, "NETCRAMMER" <netcram...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am new to weight lifting. I have lost an average of 18lbs so far just
> going
> to the gym. I began doing research and found that protein should be high
> in my diet for muscle growth. So I started consuming whey protein recently.
> However I find it difficult to get the number of grams suggested by most
> (which
> is around 160-200g). I usually get around 100g. How can I increase the
> number of grams of protein
> without stuffing myself with shakes? or should I aim lower for my weight?
> I am currently doing four day split routines.
>
> Thank you.


I don't know what you mean by "stuffing" yourself with protein shakes
-- if you mix 50 grams of protein for each drink, that's only four
times a day, surely no big deal!

But you're supposed to get the vast majority of your nutrients --
protein and others -- from fresh whole foods. If you have like four
eggs for breakfast, a salmon steak for lunch, and a lean cut of beef
for dinner, you will likely have gotten all the protein you need. Of
course, you don't have to have exactly those menu items every day --
but you get the idea.

May I suggest the book "Nutrient Timing"...it's by the Head of
Kinesiology at Texas University (with other contributors) and it's
been very interesting to me...they have charts where you can put
together a weightlifting diet....

On Aug 16, 2:59 pm, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 16, 2:28 pm, "NETCRAMMER" <netcram...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I am new to weight lifting. I have lost an average of 18lbs so far just
> > going
> > to the gym. I began doing research and found that protein should be high
> > in my diet for muscle growth. So I started consuming whey protein recently.
> > However I find it difficult to get the number of grams suggested by most
> > (which
> > is around 160-200g). I usually get around 100g. How can I increase the
> > number of grams of protein
> > without stuffing myself with shakes? or should I aim lower for my weight?
> > I am currently doing four day split routines.
>
> > Thank you.
>
> I don't know what you mean by "stuffing" yourself with protein shakes
> -- if you mix 50 grams of protein for each drink, that's only four
> times a day, surely no big deal!
>
> But you're supposed to get the vast majority of your nutrients --
> protein and others -- from fresh whole foods. If you have like four
> eggs for breakfast, a salmon steak for lunch, and a lean cut of beef
> for dinner, you will likely have gotten all the protein you need. Of
> course, you don't have to have exactly those menu items every day --
> but you get the idea.
>
> May I suggest the book "Nutrient Timing"...it's by the Head of
> Kinesiology at Texas University (with other contributors) and it's
> been very interesting to me...they have charts where you can put
> together a weightlifting diet....

Thank you for your quick reply.
I was following the directions on the protein powder which
says 1 scoop = 20g. I guess I was being "carefull" but
trying to get the most protein intake. On another note
what is the maximum amount of protein (at any given time)
the body can process?
I will take a look at the book.

TIA.

On Aug 16, 3:08 pm, NETCRAM...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Thank you for your quick reply.

No problem; ain't the internet grand?

> I was following the directions on the protein powder which
> says 1 scoop = 20g. I guess I was being "carefull" but
> trying to get the most protein intake.

Yeah, just take two or three scoops, then. No need to be too careful,
actually; you can't die from this stuff, for most practical intents
and purposes.

> On another note
> what is the maximum amount of protein (at any given time)
> the body can process?

I read in this newsgroup once that it's 60-80 grams, but likely that
varies with the individual (especially where training is concerned, I
should think).

I think a one pound steak, IIRC, has like 80 grams of protein. So you
see, it shouldn't be too difficult for you to get your protein
intake...I also try to consume 200 grams of protein daily, and it
hasn't been difficult at all.

> I will take a look at the book.
>
> TIA.

On Aug 16, 3:16 pm, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 16, 3:08 pm, NETCRAM...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
>
> > Thank you for your quick reply.
>
> No problem; ain't the internet grand?
>
> > I was following the directions on the protein powder which
> > says 1 scoop = 20g. I guess I was being "carefull" but
> > trying to get the most protein intake.
>
> Yeah, just take two or three scoops, then. No need to be too careful,
> actually; you can't die from this stuff, for most practical intents
> and purposes.
>
> > On another note
> > what is the maximum amount of protein (at any given time)
> > the body can process?
>
> I read in this newsgroup once that it's 60-80 grams, but likely that
> varies with the individual (especially where training is concerned, I
> should think).
>
> I think a one pound steak, IIRC, has like 80 grams of protein. So you
> see, it shouldn't be too difficult for you to get your protein
> intake...I also try to consume 200 grams of protein daily, and it
> hasn't been difficult at all.
>
>
>
> > I will take a look at the book.
>
> > TIA.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Great. I will increase my scoop count to two for the 40g per drink.
How long does it take the body to process protein? hours? days?
(just wondering) and should protein be taken before bedtime?

TIA!

NETCRAMMER <netcrammer@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am new to weight lifting. I have lost an average of 18lbs so far
> just going to the gym. I began doing research and found that protein
> should be high in my diet for muscle growth. So I started consuming
> whey protein recently. However I find it difficult to get the
> number of grams suggested by most (which is around 160-200g).

If consumption of extra protein gets in the way of training, then I
would scrap extra protein. Extra protein enhances muscle growth, but
it's by no means an absolute requirement. Better protein retention is
actually one of the adaptations to both training and to smaller amount
of protein in the diet. However, it's beneficial to consume it around
the time of training. I doubt that my own intake is much different
from the "RDA". Sometimes I cite from these two papers related to
protein requirements:

Resistance training
-------------------

"After an initiation phase of any resistance training program and the
initial adaptation to the performance of exercise are over, it is hard
to reconcile that resistance-trained athletes would have markedly
elevated protein requirements."

"In highly trained powerlifters and bodybuilders, in whom muscle mass
is high but stable, it is unlikely that their dietary protein
requirements are elevated much more than those of a sedentary person."

"All things considered, it is abundantly clear that any protein
requirement set for strength-training athletes is of little relevance"

(quoted from http://pmid.us/15212752).

Endurance training
------------------

"It appears that low- and moderate-intensity endurance exercise does
not affect dietary protein requirements... For the well- trained
endurance athlete training 4 to 5 d/wk for longer than 60 min, there
appears to be a very modest increase in dietary protein requirements"
(quoted from http://pmid.us/15212749).

On Aug 16, 3:21 pm, NETCRAM...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>
> Great. I will increase my scoop count to two for the 40g per drink.
> How long does it take the body to process protein? hours? days?
> (just wondering) and should protein be taken before bedtime?
>
> TIA!


If you're taking whey or soy protein (especially whey), it should
digest and absorb within the half hour (I think it's actually
something like fifteen minutes).

Food, like steak, on the other hand, could take up to 24 hours,
depending on a whole host of factors....

According to "Nutrient Timing," you should take protein along with
some simple table sugar about ten minutes before working out, every
twenty minutes during exercise, and immediately after your workout (no
later than forty minutes afterwards). They note -- but do not
necessarily suggest -- a protein shake before bed, for the long
overnight "fast"...usually that's made out of casein, a slower
digesting protein, to tide over eight hours of sleep.

But don't knock yourself out over this stuff...it could get really
"crazy" or "technical"...some muscle mag writers even advise keeping a
protein shake handy in the fridge for when you wake up in the middle
of the night to piss!

Main thing is to do the exercises -- really do them, not just go
through the motions (but not so harshly as to injure yourself) -- and
then provide adequate rest and refueling.

Again, make sure to get the vast majority of your nutrition from fresh
whole food...the supplementation is really just an insurance policy of
sorts -- and you know about insurance, don't you...if you actually
need it, that could only mean that you're in trouble!

So, really, eat fresh whole foods for most of your calories and
nutrition...according to two-time Mr. Olympia Dr. Franco Columbu's
book "The Bodybuilder's Nutrition Book," protein supplements are
"dead" protein, their "protein DNA" isn't as effective or
something...he wrote that back in 1985, but it's probably still valid
to some degree, if not still totally true...the thing about a steak is
that its protein "occurs" within a biochemical context which appears
to be extremely important...this is why popping a vitamin pill with
leucine (for your eyes) seems to mean nothing, whereas eating red-leaf
letteuce with leucine naturally occuring in it really helps your eyes,
'cause there are phytochemicals, other chemicals -- what I'd called a
"chemical context" -- which activates all teh nutrients....

"DZ" <26305@1258628317.483620917.30070.2798.62> wrote in message
news:4440@2877631335.2547226836.21022.6126.32011.. .
> NETCRAMMER <netcrammer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am new to weight lifting. I have lost an average of 18lbs so far
>> just going to the gym. I began doing research and found that protein
>> should be high in my diet for muscle growth. So I started consuming
>> whey protein recently. However I find it difficult to get the
>> number of grams suggested by most (which is around 160-200g).
>
> If consumption of extra protein gets in the way of training, then I
> would scrap extra protein. Extra protein enhances muscle growth, but
> it's by no means an absolute requirement. Better protein retention is
> actually one of the adaptations to both training and to smaller amount
> of protein in the diet. However, it's beneficial to consume it around
> the time of training. I doubt that my own intake is much different
> from the "RDA". Sometimes I cite from these two papers related to
> protein requirements:
>
> Resistance training
> -------------------
>
> "After an initiation phase of any resistance training program and the
> initial adaptation to the performance of exercise are over, it is hard
> to reconcile that resistance-trained athletes would have markedly
> elevated protein requirements."
>
> "In highly trained powerlifters and bodybuilders, in whom muscle mass
> is high but stable, it is unlikely that their dietary protein
> requirements are elevated much more than those of a sedentary person."
>
> "All things considered, it is abundantly clear that any protein
> requirement set for strength-training athletes is of little relevance"
>
> (quoted from http://pmid.us/15212752).
>
> Endurance training
> ------------------
>
> "It appears that low- and moderate-intensity endurance exercise does
> not affect dietary protein requirements... For the well- trained
> endurance athlete training 4 to 5 d/wk for longer than 60 min, there
> appears to be a very modest increase in dietary protein requirements"
> (quoted from http://pmid.us/15212749).

I do body weight in pounds divided by three as my minum protein and twice
that maximum.

Bob

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> "DZ" <26305@1258628317.483620917.30070.2798.62> wrote in message
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>> NETCRAMMER <netcrammer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I am new to weight lifting. I have lost an average of 18lbs so far
>>> just going to the gym. I began doing research and found that protein
>>> should be high in my diet for muscle growth. So I started consuming
>>> whey protein recently. However I find it difficult to get the
>>> number of grams suggested by most (which is around 160-200g).
>>
>> If consumption of extra protein gets in the way of training, then I
>> would scrap extra protein. Extra protein enhances muscle growth, but
>> it's by no means an absolute requirement. Better protein retention is
>> actually one of the adaptations to both training and to smaller
>> amount
>> of protein in the diet. However, it's beneficial to consume it around
>> the time of training. I doubt that my own intake is much different
>> from the "RDA". Sometimes I cite from these two papers related to
>> protein requirements:
>>
>> Resistance training
>> -------------------
>>
>> "After an initiation phase of any resistance training program and the
>> initial adaptation to the performance of exercise are over, it is
>> hard
>> to reconcile that resistance-trained athletes would have markedly
>> elevated protein requirements."
>>
>> "In highly trained powerlifters and bodybuilders, in whom muscle mass
>> is high but stable, it is unlikely that their dietary protein
>> requirements are elevated much more than those of a sedentary
>> person."
>>
>> "All things considered, it is abundantly clear that any protein
>> requirement set for strength-training athletes is of little
>> relevance"
>>
>> (quoted from http://pmid.us/15212752).
>>
>> Endurance training
>> ------------------
>>
>> "It appears that low- and moderate-intensity endurance exercise does
>> not affect dietary protein requirements... For the well- trained
>> endurance athlete training 4 to 5 d/wk for longer than 60 min, there
>> appears to be a very modest increase in dietary protein requirements"
>> (quoted from http://pmid.us/15212749).
>
> I do body weight in pounds divided by three as my minum protein and
> twice that maximum.
>
> Bob

That's about the RDA, at least for me.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

"DZ" <26305@1258628317.483620917.30070.2798.62> wrote in message
news:4440@2877631335.2547226836.21022.6126.32011.. .
> NETCRAMMER <netcrammer@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I am new to weight lifting. I have lost an average of 18lbs so far
>> just going to the gym. I began doing research and found that protein
>> should be high in my diet for muscle growth. So I started consuming
>> whey protein recently. However I find it difficult to get the
>> number of grams suggested by most (which is around 160-200g).
>
> If consumption of extra protein gets in the way of training, then I
> would scrap extra protein. Extra protein enhances muscle growth, but
> it's by no means an absolute requirement. Better protein retention is
> actually one of the adaptations to both training and to smaller amount
> of protein in the diet. However, it's beneficial to consume it around
> the time of training. I doubt that my own intake is much different
> from the "RDA". Sometimes I cite from these two papers related to
> protein requirements:
>
> Resistance training
> -------------------
>
> "After an initiation phase of any resistance training program and the
> initial adaptation to the performance of exercise are over, it is hard
> to reconcile that resistance-trained athletes would have markedly
> elevated protein requirements."
>
> "In highly trained powerlifters and bodybuilders, in whom muscle mass
> is high but stable, it is unlikely that their dietary protein
> requirements are elevated much more than those of a sedentary person."
>
> "All things considered, it is abundantly clear that any protein
> requirement set for strength-training athletes is of little relevance"
>
> (quoted from http://pmid.us/15212752).
>
> Endurance training
> ------------------
>
> "It appears that low- and moderate-intensity endurance exercise does
> not affect dietary protein requirements... For the well- trained
> endurance athlete training 4 to 5 d/wk for longer than 60 min, there
> appears to be a very modest increase in dietary protein requirements"
> (quoted from http://pmid.us/15212749).

Most would be better off skipping the extra protein/sugar supplementation
and just getting a bit leaner, eating a nutrient dense natural diet.

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> "DZ" <26305@1258628317.483620917.30070.2798.62> wrote in message
> news:4440@2877631335.2547226836.21022.6126.32011.. .
>> NETCRAMMER <netcrammer@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I am new to weight lifting. I have lost an average of 18lbs so far
>>> just going to the gym. I began doing research and found that protein
>>> should be high in my diet for muscle growth. So I started consuming
>>> whey protein recently. However I find it difficult to get the
>>> number of grams suggested by most (which is around 160-200g).
>>
>> If consumption of extra protein gets in the way of training, then I
>> would scrap extra protein. Extra protein enhances muscle growth, but
>> it's by no means an absolute requirement. Better protein retention is
>> actually one of the adaptations to both training and to smaller amount
>> of protein in the diet. However, it's beneficial to consume it around
>> the time of training. I doubt that my own intake is much different
>> from the "RDA". Sometimes I cite from these two papers related to
>> protein requirements:
>>
>> Resistance training
>> -------------------
>>
>> "After an initiation phase of any resistance training program and the
>> initial adaptation to the performance of exercise are over, it is hard
>> to reconcile that resistance-trained athletes would have markedly
>> elevated protein requirements."
>>
>> "In highly trained powerlifters and bodybuilders, in whom muscle mass
>> is high but stable, it is unlikely that their dietary protein
>> requirements are elevated much more than those of a sedentary person."
>>
>> "All things considered, it is abundantly clear that any protein
>> requirement set for strength-training athletes is of little relevance"
>>
>> (quoted from http://pmid.us/15212752).
>>
>> Endurance training
>> ------------------
>>
>> "It appears that low- and moderate-intensity endurance exercise does
>> not affect dietary protein requirements... For the well- trained
>> endurance athlete training 4 to 5 d/wk for longer than 60 min, there
>> appears to be a very modest increase in dietary protein requirements"
>> (quoted from http://pmid.us/15212749).
>
> Most would be better off skipping the extra protein/sugar supplementation
> and just getting a bit leaner, eating a nutrient dense natural diet.
>

Getting people to eat enough vegetables is a problem.

Bob

On Aug 16, 11:08 pm, "sycochkn" <sycoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> >> NETCRAMMER <netcram...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> I am new to weight lifting. I have lost an average of 18lbs so far
> >>> just going to the gym. I began doing research and found that protein
> >>> should be high in my diet for muscle growth. So I started consuming
> >>> whey protein recently. However I find it difficult to get the
> >>> number of grams suggested by most (which is around 160-200g).
>
> >> If consumption of extra protein gets in the way of training, then I
> >> would scrap extra protein. Extra protein enhances muscle growth, but
> >> it's by no means an absolute requirement. Better protein retention is
> >> actually one of the adaptations to both training and to smaller amount
> >> of protein in the diet. However, it's beneficial to consume it around
> >> the time of training. I doubt that my own intake is much different
> >> from the "RDA". Sometimes I cite from these two papers related to
> >> protein requirements:
>
> >> Resistance training
> >> -------------------
>
> >> "After an initiation phase of any resistance training program and the
> >> initial adaptation to the performance of exercise are over, it is hard
> >> to reconcile that resistance-trained athletes would have markedly
> >> elevated protein requirements."
>
> >> "In highly trained powerlifters and bodybuilders, in whom muscle mass
> >> is high but stable, it is unlikely that their dietary protein
> >> requirements are elevated much more than those of a sedentary person."
>
> >> "All things considered, it is abundantly clear that any protein
> >> requirement set for strength-training athletes is of little relevance"
>
> >> (quoted fromhttp://pmid.us/15212752).
>
> >> Endurance training
> >> ------------------
>
> >> "It appears that low- and moderate-intensity endurance exercise does
> >> not affect dietary protein requirements... For the well- trained
> >> endurance athlete training 4 to 5 d/wk for longer than 60 min, there
> >> appears to be a very modest increase in dietary protein requirements"
> >> (quoted fromhttp://pmid.us/15212749).
>
> > Most would be better off skipping the extra protein/sugar supplementation
> > and just getting a bit leaner, eating a nutrient dense natural diet.
>
> Getting people to eat enough vegetables is a problem.
>
> Bob- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The kidneys can only processs a certain amount of protien, this is why
people with kidney problems have special diets. So when taking
supplements, be careful! I use whey protien, but only for my
midmorning snack (after gym before lunch) and before bed I use caesine
protien (it takes longer to breakdown) and fuels the muscles longer.
I also eat a certain amount of carbs right when i get up, within
thirty minutes. Icant remeber the exact reaction, but i think it
increases insulin, which produces glycogen that stores in my muscles
and gives me the added power for my morning routine workout. (I may be
completely wrong, so if anyone knows different please advise. Im just
adding my two cents that may not be worth 1 cent)

The funny thing is that so many people try to do fad diets that they
end up regaining all the weight or loosing all the muscle tone. The
key to any diet is to find what works for your daily routine, but to
make sure you implement healthy eating and living into that equation.
If you do nothing now, and you only work out once a week; trust me,
its much better for you then doing nothing. And once you start to see
some pounds come off, most of the time this is where the inspiration
comes from to want more. Healthy life and being fit is addictive.
But we are creatures of habit, so I advise to start slow and steady.
I personally found that calorie counting worked the best and
exercising in the mornings, but thats me, and like I said, its what
ever works for you. But at least do something! Heres a tip that may
get some motivated, it worked for me, but Im weird. I started by
researching what it took for my body to maintain its normal functions
(meaning how many calories i need just to live and breath) This is
called your Resting Metabolic Rate. Take your RMR + calories burned
at gym - caloric intake from daily foods and it gives you your total
balance + or - ( - is where you want to be to lose weight). You
have to also remember to not to lose too much weight too quickly
becuase your loss could be derived from your body actually burning
muscle. Im not a doctor so nothing i just said really means squat,
make sure you check with your doc before doing anything.

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>> >> NETCRAMMER <netcram...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> I am new to weight lifting. I have lost an average of 18lbs so far
>> >>> just going to the gym. I began doing research and found that protein
>> >>> should be high in my diet for muscle growth. So I started consuming
>> >>> whey protein recently. However I find it difficult to get the
>> >>> number of grams suggested by most (which is around 160-200g).
>>
>> >> If consumption of extra protein gets in the way of training, then I
>> >> would scrap extra protein. Extra protein enhances muscle growth, but
>> >> it's by no means an absolute requirement. Better protein retention is
>> >> actually one of the adaptations to both training and to smaller amount
>> >> of protein in the diet. However, it's beneficial to consume it around
>> >> the time of training. I doubt that my own intake is much different
>> >> from the "RDA". Sometimes I cite from these two papers related to
>> >> protein requirements:
>>
>> >> Resistance training
>> >> -------------------
>>
>> >> "After an initiation phase of any resistance training program and the
>> >> initial adaptation to the performance of exercise are over, it is hard
>> >> to reconcile that resistance-trained athletes would have markedly
>> >> elevated protein requirements."
>>
>> >> "In highly trained powerlifters and bodybuilders, in whom muscle mass
>> >> is high but stable, it is unlikely that their dietary protein
>> >> requirements are elevated much more than those of a sedentary person."
>>
>> >> "All things considered, it is abundantly clear that any protein
>> >> requirement set for strength-training athletes is of little relevance"
>>
>> >> (quoted fromhttp://pmid.us/15212752).
>>
>> >> Endurance training
>> >> ------------------
>>
>> >> "It appears that low- and moderate-intensity endurance exercise does
>> >> not affect dietary protein requirements... For the well- trained
>> >> endurance athlete training 4 to 5 d/wk for longer than 60 min, there
>> >> appears to be a very modest increase in dietary protein requirements"
>> >> (quoted fromhttp://pmid.us/15212749).
>>
>> > Most would be better off skipping the extra protein/sugar
>> > supplementation
>> > and just getting a bit leaner, eating a nutrient dense natural diet.
>>
>> Getting people to eat enough vegetables is a problem.
>>
>> Bob- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> - Show quoted text -
>
> The kidneys can only processs a certain amount of protien, this is why
> people with kidney problems have special diets. So when taking
> supplements, be careful!



Healthy people have ZERO problems with protein, so make it seem like people
are going to hurt themselves.

I use whey protien, but only for my
> midmorning snack (after gym before lunch) and before bed I use caesine
> protien (it takes longer to breakdown) and fuels the muscles longer.
> I also eat a certain amount of carbs right when i get up, within
> thirty minutes. Icant remeber the exact reaction, but i think it
> increases insulin, which produces glycogen that stores in my muscles
> and gives me the added power for my morning routine workout. (I may be
> completely wrong, so if anyone knows different please advise. Im just
> adding my two cents that may not be worth 1 cent)
>
> The funny thing is that so many people try to do fad diets that they
> end up regaining all the weight or loosing all the muscle tone.


"Loosing?" Why is it that all of you morons can't spell the word "lose?"

The
> key to any diet is to find what works for your daily routine, but to
> make sure you implement healthy eating and living into that equation.
> If you do nothing now, and you only work out once a week; trust me,
> its much better for you then doing nothing. And once you start to see
> some pounds come off, most of the time this is where the inspiration
> comes from to want more. Healthy life and being fit is addictive.
> But we are creatures of habit, so I advise to start slow and steady.
> I personally found that calorie counting worked the best and
> exercising in the mornings, but thats me, and like I said, its what
> ever works for you. But at least do something! Heres a tip that may
> get some motivated, it worked for me, but Im weird. I started by
> researching what it took for my body to maintain its normal functions
> (meaning how many calories i need just to live and breath) This is
> called your Resting Metabolic Rate. Take your RMR + calories burned
> at gym - caloric intake from daily foods and it gives you your total
> balance + or - ( - is where you want to be to lose weight). You
> have to also remember to not to lose too much weight too quickly
> becuase your loss could be derived from your body actually burning
> muscle. Im not a doctor so nothing i just said really means squat,
> make sure you check with your doc before doing anything.
>


Don't worry, NO ONE would take you for an MD. BTW, why don't you tell us all
about those special diets that people with kidney problems have. Do you know
that people who are on dialysis and have no kidney function are told to eat
a lot of protein?

--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

On Aug 18, 2:07 am, "Hard Bop Drums" <nos...@hardbopdrums.com> wrote:
> "Badazbroker" <badazbro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1187394285.960750.258630@x35g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 16, 11:08 pm, "sycochkn" <sycoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> "ATP*" <waxwingsl...@azurepane.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:c77xi.406$MK2.383@newsfe12.lga...
>
> >> > "DZ" <26...@1258628317.483620917.30070.2798.62> wrote in message
> >> >news:4440@2877631335.2547226836.21022.6126.32011. ..
> >> >> NETCRAMMER <netcram...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> I am new to weight lifting. I have lost an average of 18lbs so far
> >> >>> just going to the gym. I began doing research and found thatprotein
> >> >>> should be high in my diet for muscle growth. So I started consuming
> >> >>> wheyproteinrecently. However I find it difficult to get the
> >> >>> number of grams suggested by most (which is around 160-200g).
>
> >> >> If consumption of extraproteingets in the way of training, then I
> >> >> would scrap extraprotein. Extraproteinenhances muscle growth, but
> >> >> it's by no means an absolute requirement. Betterproteinretention is
> >> >> actually one of the adaptations to both training and to smaller amount
> >> >> ofproteinin the diet. However, it's beneficial to consume it around
> >> >> the time of training. I doubt that my ownintakeis much different
> >> >> from the "RDA". Sometimes I cite from these two papers related to
> >> >>proteinrequirements:
>
> >> >> Resistance training
> >> >> -------------------
>
> >> >> "After an initiation phase of any resistance training program and the
> >> >> initial adaptation to the performance of exercise are over, it is hard
> >> >> to reconcile that resistance-trained athletes would have markedly
> >> >> elevatedproteinrequirements."
>
> >> >> "In highly trained powerlifters and bodybuilders, in whom muscle mass
> >> >> is high but stable, it is unlikely that their dietaryprotein
> >> >> requirements are elevated much more than those of a sedentary person."
>
> >> >> "All things considered, it is abundantly clear that anyprotein
> >> >> requirement set for strength-training athletes is of little relevance"
>
> >> >> (quoted fromhttp://pmid.us/15212752).
>
> >> >> Endurance training
> >> >> ------------------
>
> >> >> "It appears that low- and moderate-intensity endurance exercise does
> >> >> not affect dietaryproteinrequirements... For the well- trained
> >> >> endurance athlete training 4 to 5 d/wk for longer than 60 min, there
> >> >> appears to be a very modest increase in dietaryproteinrequirements"
> >> >> (quoted fromhttp://pmid.us/15212749).
>
> >> > Most would be better off skipping the extraprotein/sugar
> >> > supplementation
> >> > and just getting a bit leaner, eating a nutrient dense natural diet.
>
> >> Getting people to eat enough vegetables is a problem.
>
> >> Bob- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > The kidneys can only processs a certain amount of protien, this is why
> > people with kidney problems have special diets. So when taking
> > supplements, be careful!
>
> Healthy people have ZERO problems withprotein, so make it seem like people
> are going to hurt themselves.
>
> I use whey protien, but only for my
>
> > midmorning snack (after gym before lunch) and before bed I use caesine
> > protien (it takes longer to breakdown) and fuels the muscles longer.
> > I also eat a certain amount of carbs right when i get up, within
> > thirty minutes. Icant remeber the exact reaction, but i think it
> > increases insulin, which produces glycogen that stores in my muscles
> > and gives me the added power for my morning routine workout. (I may be
> > completely wrong, so if anyone knows different please advise. Im just
> > adding my two cents that may not be worth 1 cent)
>
> > The funny thing is that so many people try to do fad diets that they
> > end up regaining all the weight or loosing all the muscle tone.
>
> "Loosing?" Why is it that all of you morons can't spell the word "lose?"
>
> The
>
>
>
>
>
> > key to any diet is to find what works for your daily routine, but to
> > make sure you implement healthy eating and living into that equation.
> > If you do nothing now, and you only work out once a week; trust me,
> > its much better for you then doing nothing. And once you start to see
> > some pounds come off, most of the time this is where the inspiration
> > comes from to want more. Healthy life and being fit is addictive.
> > But we are creatures of habit, so I advise to start slow and steady.
> > I personally found that calorie counting worked the best and
> > exercising in the mornings, but thats me, and like I said, its what
> > ever works for you. But at least do something! Heres a tip that may
> > get some motivated, it worked for me, but Im weird. I started by
> > researching what it took for my body to maintain its normal functions
> > (meaning how many calories i need just to live and breath) This is
> > called your Resting Metabolic Rate. Take your RMR + calories burned
> > at gym - caloricintakefrom daily foods and it gives you your total
> > balance + or - ( - is where you want to be to lose weight). You
> > have to also remember to not to lose too much weight too quickly
> > becuase your loss could be derived from your body actually burning
> > muscle. Im not a doctor so nothing i just said really means squat,
> > make sure you check with your doc before doing anything.
>
> Don't worry, NO ONE would take you for an MD. BTW, why don't you tell us all
> about those special diets that people with kidney problems have. Do you know
> that people who are on dialysis and have no kidney function are told to eat
> a lot ofprotein?
>
> --
> Robert Schuh
> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
> - Nietzsche
>
> http://www.hardbopdrums.com/- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I guess you know more than the national kidney foundation and my wifes
nephrologist (ne-fra-low-gist) that was so that really big word, you
could say out loud, and maybe even do some research.

Hold on let me do it for you: I would hate for your only argument
next would be......"So what at least im spelling losing correctly and
not forgetting to take out the extra o!".....but you got me there; us
intelligent people never make typos..hell we need to call Bill and
tell him that part of his software can be completely ulliminated
becuase of your witty retorts.

but back to the conversation at hand;

What about protein?
Your body needs protein every day for growth, building muscles and
repairing tissue. After your body uses the protein in the foods you
eat, a waste product called urea is made. If you have lost kidney
function, your kidneys may not be able to get rid of this urea
normally. You may need to reduce the amount of protein you eat to
avoid buildup of urea in your body.

This is from the National Kidney's Associations webiste..i can get a
letter from my wifes doctor if you need futher proof.

Like i said in my orginal post..I was posting to maybe give people
advise about diets and the way i built my body. It was not to wim a
spelling test, grammer final, or to have to be rebuked by people such
as yourself......you need to go to the argumetn blogg and leave the
rest of the forums for people who are looking to learn and grow there
minds, not end up having to spen their time in arbitrary arguments
with people that only look for ways to make others feel stupid.

"Hard Bop Drums" <nospam@hardbopdrums.com> wrote in message
news:g0wxi.84851$TW6.18141@newsfe06.phx...
> Don't worry, NO ONE would take you for an MD.

Guess that pharmacist you gave your scrip to didn't take you for an MD,
either, Bert?

On Aug 18, 2:07 am, "Hard Bop Drums" <nos...@hardbopdrums.com> wrote:
> "Badazbroker" <badazbro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1187394285.960750.258630@x35g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 16, 11:08 pm, "sycochkn" <sycoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> "ATP*" <waxwingsl...@azurepane.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:c77xi.406$MK2.383@newsfe12.lga...
>
> >> > "DZ" <26...@1258628317.483620917.30070.2798.62> wrote in message
> >> >news:4440@2877631335.2547226836.21022.6126.32011. ..
> >> >> NETCRAMMER <netcram...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>> I am new to weight lifting. I have lost an average of 18lbs so far
> >> >>> just going to the gym. I began doing research and found thatprotein
> >> >>> should be high in my diet for muscle growth. So I started consuming
> >> >>> wheyproteinrecently. However I find it difficult to get the
> >> >>> number of grams suggested by most (which is around 160-200g).
>
> >> >> If consumption of extraproteingets in the way of training, then I
> >> >> would scrap extraprotein. Extraproteinenhances muscle growth, but
> >> >> it's by no means an absolute requirement. Betterproteinretention is
> >> >> actually one of the adaptations to both training and to smaller amount
> >> >> ofproteinin the diet. However, it's beneficial to consume it around
> >> >> the time of training. I doubt that my ownintakeis much different
> >> >> from the "RDA". Sometimes I cite from these two papers related to
> >> >>proteinrequirements:
>
> >> >> Resistance training
> >> >> -------------------
>
> >> >> "After an initiation phase of any resistance training program and the
> >> >> initial adaptation to the performance of exercise are over, it is hard
> >> >> to reconcile that resistance-trained athletes would have markedly
> >> >> elevatedproteinrequirements."
>
> >> >> "In highly trained powerlifters and bodybuilders, in whom muscle mass
> >> >> is high but stable, it is unlikely that their dietaryprotein
> >> >> requirements are elevated much more than those of a sedentary person."
>
> >> >> "All things considered, it is abundantly clear that anyprotein
> >> >> requirement set for strength-training athletes is of little relevance"
>
> >> >> (quoted fromhttp://pmid.us/15212752).
>
> >> >> Endurance training
> >> >> ------------------
>
> >> >> "It appears that low- and moderate-intensity endurance exercise does
> >> >> not affect dietaryproteinrequirements... For the well- trained
> >> >> endurance athlete training 4 to 5 d/wk for longer than 60 min, there
> >> >> appears to be a very modest increase in dietaryproteinrequirements"
> >> >> (quoted fromhttp://pmid.us/15212749).
>
> >> > Most would be better off skipping the extraprotein/sugar
> >> > supplementation
> >> > and just getting a bit leaner, eating a nutrient dense natural diet.
>
> >> Getting people to eat enough vegetables is a problem.
>
> >> Bob- Hide quoted text -
>
> >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > The kidneys can only processs a certain amount of protien, this is why
> > people with kidney problems have special diets. So when taking
> > supplements, be careful!
>
> Healthy people have ZERO problems withprotein, so make it seem like people
> are going to hurt themselves.
>
> I use whey protien, but only for my
>
> > midmorning snack (after gym before lunch) and before bed I use caesine
> > protien (it takes longer to breakdown) and fuels the muscles longer.
> > I also eat a certain amount of carbs right when i get up, within
> > thirty minutes. Icant remeber the exact reaction, but i think it
> > increases insulin, which produces glycogen that stores in my muscles
> > and gives me the added power for my morning routine workout. (I may be
> > completely wrong, so if anyone knows different please advise. Im just
> > adding my two cents that may not be worth 1 cent)
>
> > The funny thing is that so many people try to do fad diets that they
> > end up regaining all the weight or loosing all the muscle tone.
>
> "Loosing?" Why is it that all of you morons can't spell the word "lose?"
>
> The
>
>
>
>
>
> > key to any diet is to find what works for your daily routine, but to
> > make sure you implement healthy eating and living into that equation.
> > If you do nothing now, and you only work out once a week; trust me,
> > its much better for you then doing nothing. And once you start to see
> > some pounds come off, most of the time this is where the inspiration
> > comes from to want more. Healthy life and being fit is addictive.
> > But we are creatures of habit, so I advise to start slow and steady.
> > I personally found that calorie counting worked the best and
> > exercising in the mornings, but thats me, and like I said, its what
> > ever works for you. But at least do something! Heres a tip that may
> > get some motivated, it worked for me, but Im weird. I started by
> > researching what it took for my body to maintain its normal functions
> > (meaning how many calories i need just to live and breath) This is
> > called your Resting Metabolic Rate. Take your RMR + calories burned
> > at gym - caloricintakefrom daily foods and it gives you your total
> > balance + or - ( - is where you want to be to lose weight). You
> > have to also remember to not to lose too much weight too quickly
> > becuase your loss could be derived from your body actually burning
> > muscle. Im not a doctor so nothing i just said really means squat,
> > make sure you check with your doc before doing anything.
>
> Don't worry, NO ONE would take you for an MD. BTW, why don't you tell us all
> about those special diets that people with kidney problems have. Do you know
> that people who are on dialysis and have no kidney function are told to eat
> a lot ofprotein?
>
> --
> Robert Schuh
> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
> - Nietzsche
>
> http://www.hardbopdrums.com/- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text

What no more witty retorts? I was hoping this convo would have
continued on till we were speking about the body and its waste
products and how the body counterbalances those itmes, and the
negative affect of mnay other nutrients and supplements. Please by
all means......

On Aug 20, 3:22 pm, sir laughsalot <wal...@fcfllc.com> wrote:
> On Aug 18, 2:07 am, "Hard Bop Drums" <nos...@hardbopdrums.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Badazbroker" <badazbro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1187394285.960750.258630@x35g2000prf.googleg roups.com...
>
> > > On Aug 16, 11:08 pm, "sycochkn" <sycoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> > >> "ATP*" <waxwingsl...@azurepane.com> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:c77xi.406$MK2.383@newsfe12.lga...
>
> > >> > "DZ" <26...@1258628317.483620917.30070.2798.62> wrote in message
> > >> >news:4440@2877631335.2547226836.21022.6126.32011. ..
> > >> >> NETCRAMMER <netcram...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> >>> I am new to weight lifting. I have lost an average of 18lbs so far
> > >> >>> just going to the gym. I began doing research and found thatprotein
> > >> >>> should be high in my diet for muscle growth. So I started consuming
> > >> >>> wheyproteinrecently. However I find it difficult to get the
> > >> >>> number of grams suggested by most (which is around 160-200g).
>
> > >> >> If consumption of extraproteingets in the way of training, then I
> > >> >> would scrap extraprotein. Extraproteinenhances muscle growth, but
> > >> >> it's by no means an absolute requirement. Betterproteinretention is
> > >> >> actually one of the adaptations to both training and to smaller amount
> > >> >> ofproteinin the diet. However, it's beneficial to consume it around
> > >> >> the time of training. I doubt that my ownintakeis much different
> > >> >> from the "RDA". Sometimes I cite from these two papers related to
> > >> >>proteinrequirements:
>
> > >> >> Resistance training
> > >> >> -------------------
>
> > >> >> "After an initiation phase of any resistance training program and the
> > >> >> initial adaptation to the performance of exercise are over, it is hard
> > >> >> to reconcile that resistance-trained athletes would have markedly
> > >> >> elevatedproteinrequirements."
>
> > >> >> "In highly trained powerlifters and bodybuilders, in whom muscle mass
> > >> >> is high but stable, it is unlikely that their dietaryprotein
> > >> >> requirements are elevated much more than those of a sedentary person."
>
> > >> >> "All things considered, it is abundantly clear that anyprotein
> > >> >> requirement set for strength-training athletes is of little relevance"
>
> > >> >> (quoted fromhttp://pmid.us/15212752).
>
> > >> >> Endurance training
> > >> >> ------------------
>
> > >> >> "It appears that low- and moderate-intensity endurance exercise does
> > >> >> not affect dietaryproteinrequirements... For the well- trained
> > >> >> endurance athlete training 4 to 5 d/wk for longer than 60 min, there
> > >> >> appears to be a very modest increase in dietaryproteinrequirements"
> > >> >> (quoted fromhttp://pmid.us/15212749).
>
> > >> > Most would be better off skipping the extraprotein/sugar
> > >> > supplementation
> > >> > and just getting a bit leaner, eating a nutrient dense natural diet.
>
> > >> Getting people to eat enough vegetables is a problem.
>
> > >> Bob- Hide quoted text -
>
> > >> - Show quoted text -
>
> > > The kidneys can only processs a certain amount of protien, this is why
> > > people with kidney problems have special diets. So when taking
> > > supplements, be careful!
>
> > Healthy people have ZERO problems withprotein, so make it seem like people
> > are going to hurt themselves.
>
> > I use whey protien, but only for my
>
> > > midmorning snack (after gym before lunch) and before bed I use caesine
> > > protien (it takes longer to breakdown) and fuels the muscles longer.
> > > I also eat a certain amount of carbs right when i get up, within
> > > thirty minutes. Icant remeber the exact reaction, but i think it
> > > increases insulin, which produces glycogen that stores in my muscles
> > > and gives me the added power for my morning routine workout. (I may be
> > > completely wrong, so if anyone knows different please advise. Im just
> > > adding my two cents that may not be worth 1 cent)
>
> > > The funny thing is that so many people try to do fad diets that they
> > > end up regaining all the weight or loosing all the muscle tone.
>
> > "Loosing?" Why is it that all of you morons can't spell the word "lose?"
>
> > The
>
> > > key to any diet is to find what works for your daily routine, but to
> > > make sure you implement healthy eating and living into that equation.
> > > If you do nothing now, and you only work out once a week; trust me,
> > > its much better for you then doing nothing. And once you start to see
> > > some pounds come off, most of the time this is where the inspiration
> > > comes from to want more. Healthy life and being fit is addictive.
> > > But we are creatures of habit, so I advise to start slow and steady.
> > > I personally found that calorie counting worked the best and
> > > exercising in the mornings, but thats me, and like I said, its what
> > > ever works for you. But at least do something! Heres a tip that may
> > > get some motivated, it worked for me, but Im weird. I started by
> > > researching what it took for my body to maintain its normal functions
> > > (meaning how many calories i need just to live and breath) This is
> > > called your Resting Metabolic Rate. Take your RMR + calories burned
> > > at gym - caloricintakefrom daily foods and it gives you your total
> > > balance + or - ( - is where you want to be to lose weight). You
> > > have to also remember to not to lose too much weight too quickly
> > > becuase your loss could be derived from your body actually burning
> > > muscle. Im not a doctor so nothing i just said really means squat,
> > > make sure you check with your doc before doing anything.
>
> > Don't worry, NO ONE would take you for an MD. BTW, why don't you tell us all
> > about those special diets that people with kidney problems have. Do you know
> > that people who are on dialysis and have no kidney function are told to eat
> > a lot ofprotein?
>
> > --
> > Robert Schuh
> > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
> > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
> > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
> > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
> > - Nietzsche
>
> >http://www.hardbopdrums.com/-Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text
>
> What no more witty retorts? I was hoping this convo would have
> continued on till we were speking about the body and its waste
> products and how the body counterbalances those itmes, and the
> negative affect of mnay other nutrients and supplements. Please by
> all means......- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Uh Oh, there where some typos in there, time for you to jump in and
attack...lol

On Aug 16, 11:08 pm, "sycochkn" <sycoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>
> Getting people to eat enough vegetables is a problem.
>
> Bob


They're such a hassle to have to wash and clean and then eat quickly
(within days, ideally)...and because I don't cook, I basically have to
eat them raw, which is boring.

Funny thing, though; now that I think of them as "supplements" I've
basically reconciled myself to the fairly boring taste of uncooked
veggies! Though thoroughly washing 'em is still quite a chore....

I just want to add that even "Nutrient Timing," which advocates a high
protein intake of roughly 1.14 grams per pound of body weight daily
for strength athletes, noted that as early as 1904 it was discovered
that overall caloric intake, and not protein consumption, was the main
factor for adding strength and mass. IOW, caloric intake is the key,
not so much protein intake!

"Badazbroker" <badazbroker@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1187546168.442499.213700@z24g2000prh.googlegr oups.com...
> On Aug 18, 2:07 am, "Hard Bop Drums" <nos...@hardbopdrums.com> wrote:
>> "Badazbroker" <badazbro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1187394285.960750.258630@x35g2000prf.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Aug 16, 11:08 pm, "sycochkn" <sycoc...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >> "ATP*" <waxwingsl...@azurepane.com> wrote in message
>>
>> >>news:c77xi.406$MK2.383@newsfe12.lga...
>>
>> >> > "DZ" <26...@1258628317.483620917.30070.2798.62> wrote in message
>> >> >news:4440@2877631335.2547226836.21022.6126.32011. ..
>> >> >> NETCRAMMER <netcram...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>> I am new to weight lifting. I have lost an average of 18lbs so far
>> >> >>> just going to the gym. I began doing research and found
>> >> >>> thatprotein
>> >> >>> should be high in my diet for muscle growth. So I started
>> >> >>> consuming
>> >> >>> wheyproteinrecently. However I find it difficult to get the
>> >> >>> number of grams suggested by most (which is around 160-200g).
>>
>> >> >> If consumption of extraproteingets in the way of training, then I
>> >> >> would scrap extraprotein. Extraproteinenhances muscle growth, but
>> >> >> it's by no means an absolute requirement. Betterproteinretention is
>> >> >> actually one of the adaptations to both training and to smaller
>> >> >> amount
>> >> >> ofproteinin the diet. However, it's beneficial to consume it around
>> >> >> the time of training. I doubt that my ownintakeis much different
>> >> >> from the "RDA". Sometimes I cite from these two papers related to
>> >> >>proteinrequirements:
>>
>> >> >> Resistance training
>> >> >> -------------------
>>
>> >> >> "After an initiation phase of any resistance training program and
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> initial adaptation to the performance of exercise are over, it is
>> >> >> hard
>> >> >> to reconcile that resistance-trained athletes would have markedly
>> >> >> elevatedproteinrequirements."
>>
>> >> >> "In highly trained powerlifters and bodybuilders, in whom muscle
>> >> >> mass
>> >> >> is high but stable, it is unlikely that their dietaryprotein
>> >> >> requirements are elevated much more than those of a sedentary
>> >> >> person."
>>
>> >> >> "All things considered, it is abundantly clear that anyprotein
>> >> >> requirement set for strength-training athletes is of little
>> >> >> relevance"
>>
>> >> >> (quoted fromhttp://pmid.us/15212752).
>>
>> >> >> Endurance training
>> >> >> ------------------
>>
>> >> >> "It appears that low- and moderate-intensity endurance exercise
>> >> >> does
>> >> >> not affect dietaryproteinrequirements... For the well- trained
>> >> >> endurance athlete training 4 to 5 d/wk for longer than 60 min,
>> >> >> there
>> >> >> appears to be a very modest increase in dietaryproteinrequirements"
>> >> >> (quoted fromhttp://pmid.us/15212749).
>>
>> >> > Most would be better off skipping the extraprotein/sugar
>> >> > supplementation
>> >> > and just getting a bit leaner, eating a nutrient dense natural diet.
>>
>> >> Getting people to eat enough vegetables is a problem.
>>
>> >> Bob- Hide quoted text -
>>
>> >> - Show quoted text -
>>
>> > The kidneys can only processs a certain amount of protien, this is why
>> > people with kidney problems have special diets. So when taking
>> > supplements, be careful!
>>
>> Healthy people have ZERO problems withprotein, so make it seem like
>> people
>> are going to hurt themselves.
>>
>> I use whey protien, but only for my
>>
>> > midmorning snack (after gym before lunch) and before bed I use caesine
>> > protien (it takes longer to breakdown) and fuels the muscles longer.
>> > I also eat a certain amount of carbs right when i get up, within
>> > thirty minutes. Icant remeber the exact reaction, but i think it
>> > increases insulin, which produces glycogen that stores in my muscles
>> > and gives me the added power for my morning routine workout. (I may be
>> > completely wrong, so if anyone knows different please advise. Im just
>> > adding my two cents that may not be worth 1 cent)
>>
>> > The funny thing is that so many people try to do fad diets that they
>> > end up regaining all the weight or loosing all the muscle tone.
>>
>> "Loosing?" Why is it that all of you morons can't spell the word "lose?"
>>
>> The
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> > key to any diet is to find what works for your daily routine, but to
>> > make sure you implement healthy eating and living into that equation.
>> > If you do nothing now, and you only work out once a week; trust me,
>> > its much better for you then doing nothing. And once you start to see
>> > some pounds come off, most of the time this is where the inspiration
>> > comes from to want more. Healthy life and being fit is addictive.
>> > But we are creatures of habit, so I advise to start slow and steady.
>> > I personally found that calorie counting worked the best and
>> > exercising in the mornings, but thats me, and like I said, its what
>> > ever works for you. But at least do something! Heres a tip that may
>> > get some motivated, it worked for me, but Im weird. I started by
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