Protein or Weight Gainer

Hey guys,

I'm consuming at least 230grams of whey protein daily now. I'm pumping
iron short of injury too. Before this, I was downing weight gainer
daily but the protein was only ~100 grams per day. But now, I'm out of
the weightgainer and all I have left is protein powder.

Also, I have learned to drink milk. I got the Lactaid kind, and it's
been easy and no problem. In order to gain more weight, should I go
back to the weight gainer or stay with the protein powder? By the way,
I've reached 160 pounds, but am still not 9% body fat.

Okay, I'm going. Need to pump iron now.

SEAL

Dnia 2006-11-21 SEAL napisa³(a):
> Hey guys,
>
> I'm consuming at least 230grams of whey protein daily now. I'm pumping
> iron short of injury too. Before this, I was downing weight gainer
> daily but the protein was only ~100 grams per day. But now, I'm out of
> the weightgainer and all I have left is protein powder.
>
> Also, I have learned to drink milk. I got the Lactaid kind, and it's
> been easy and no problem. In order to gain more weight, should I go
> back to the weight gainer or stay with the protein powder? By the way,
> I've reached 160 pounds, but am still not 9% body fat.
>
> Okay, I'm going. Need to pump iron now.

Eat junk food. I'm serious.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Andrzej Rosa wrote:
[...]

> Eat junk food. I'm serious.

Fwiw and iirc, there was a bodybuilder named C.F. Smith back in the
day, an MD, too, again iirc, who offered that calories are calories.
That your body makes no distinction between a Coke-Twinkie snack as
compared to a salad and steak.

This guy was a beast, too. If you've read early issues of MMI then
you've seen him.

http://www.shopmusclemag.com/product.asp?productid=1056

More importantly, you've seen his friends. ;o)

> Andrzej Rosa 1127R

--
Curt

Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dnia 2006-11-21 SEAL napisa³(a):
>> Also, I have learned to drink milk. I got the Lactaid kind, and it's
>> been easy and no problem. In order to gain more weight, should I go
>> back to the weight gainer or stay with the protein powder? By the way,
>> I've reached 160 pounds, but am still not 9% body fat.
>
> Eat junk food. I'm serious.

It is not Poland, Andrzej. People here approach 9% from above.

Dnia 2006-11-22 DZ napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dnia 2006-11-21 SEAL napisa³(a):
>>> Also, I have learned to drink milk. I got the Lactaid kind, and it's
>>> been easy and no problem. In order to gain more weight, should I go
>>> back to the weight gainer or stay with the protein powder? By the way,
>>> I've reached 160 pounds, but am still not 9% body fat.
>>
>> Eat junk food. I'm serious.
>
> It is not Poland, Andrzej. People here approach 9% from above.

Oh, I missed that he's cutting. I guess, that the moment I read he's
160 lbs I automatically assumed that he tries to *gain* weight,
especially that he wrote about weight gainers.

So do not eat junk food then (and weight gainers too). I'm serious.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

DZ wrote:
> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> > Dnia 2006-11-21 SEAL napisa³(a):

> >> <snip> but am still not 9% body fat.
> >
> > Eat junk food. I'm serious.
>
> It is not Poland, Andrzej. People here
> approach 9% from above.

And DZ joins the fray battling it out for November's humor award!

The field up to this point (unofficially, of course, as I believe I'm
still under suspension by the humor/humoUr committee) includes
Kromagnon and David. Observe:

Kromagnon re French Vanilla Crème - http://tinyurl.com/yc4d7b - and
its 24 g of protein/serving:

"Try this flavor with 8 oz. of orange juice; it will knock your socks
off. Either wear shoes or take your socks off to avoid this problem.
"

And David with his contribution of 82 billion (plus or minus) creatine
links.

Best of luck in the competition, DZ.

Past recipients:

August 2006: Cohen
September 2006: Pete
October 2006: Dally and The Queen of Cans and Jars

And it looks like the erstwhile Dally received a nod back in January
2006 as well.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc....aa083fd8e87682


Fwiw and all, you humorless bastards.

--
Curt

On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:28:24 GMT, SEAL <usseal3@gmail[removethis].com>
wrote:

>Hey guys,
>
>I'm consuming at least 230grams of whey protein daily now. I'm pumping
>iron short of injury too. Before this, I was downing weight gainer
>daily but the protein was only ~100 grams per day. But now, I'm out of
>the weightgainer and all I have left is protein powder.
>
>Also, I have learned to drink milk. I got the Lactaid kind, and it's
>been easy and no problem. In order to gain more weight, should I go
>back to the weight gainer or stay with the protein powder? By the way,
>I've reached 160 pounds, but am still not 9% body fat.
>
>Okay, I'm going. Need to pump iron now.
>
>SEAL

That sounds like an awful lot of whey powder. That is like 8 scoops
of the stuff I am taking. Are you trying to go up or down to 9%
bodyfat? If you are taking all that and not gaining weight you either
have a very poor diet or a huge tapeworm.

Shute wrote:
> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:28:24 GMT, SEAL <usseal3@gmail[removethis].com>
> wrote:
>
>> Hey guys,
>>
>> I'm consuming at least 230grams of whey protein daily now. I'm pumping
>> iron short of injury too. Before this, I was downing weight gainer
>> daily but the protein was only ~100 grams per day. But now, I'm out of
>> the weightgainer and all I have left is protein powder.
>>
>> Also, I have learned to drink milk. I got the Lactaid kind, and it's
>> been easy and no problem. In order to gain more weight, should I go
>> back to the weight gainer or stay with the protein powder? By the way,
>> I've reached 160 pounds, but am still not 9% body fat.
>>
>> Okay, I'm going. Need to pump iron now.
>>
>> SEAL
>
> That sounds like an awful lot of whey powder. That is like 8 scoops
> of the stuff I am taking. Are you trying to go up or down to 9%
> bodyfat? If you are taking all that and not gaining weight you either
> have a very poor diet or a huge tapeworm.
>

Hi Shute,

I'm trying to gain. Originally the goal was to reach 160, but now I'm
there. Actually I teeter between 159 and 160. Yeah, it's 8 scoops
throughout the day of protein, and 10 ounces of milk. So it's 4 scoops
in the morning, and 4 scoops at night. And throughout the day, I eat
Healthy Choice meals so I can easily count calories and other
macronutrients.

The 9% bf would be nice, but presently, I'm between 13% and 19%. I
don't mind it so much.

Yes, I'm pretty much a walking tapeworm. The weight gainer actually
worked to get me to 160, but now I'm out. I need to buy more, and all I
have left is protein powder. My protein intake doubled only a couple of
days ago.

When I was downing the weight gainer, I was reaching 3200 calories in a
day. With the protein, it's hard to break 2500 calories. Yesterday,
although my protein was 230 grams, I consumed only 2100 calories. Not good.

SEAL

On Wed, 21 Nov 2006, Curt wrote:

> DZ wrote:
>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>>> Dnia 2006-11-21 SEAL napisa³(a):
>
>>>> <snip> but am still not 9% body fat.
>>>
>>> Eat junk food. I'm serious.
>>
>> It is not Poland, Andrzej. People here approach 9% from above.
>
> And DZ joins the fray battling it out for November's humor award!
>
> The field up to this point (unofficially, of course, as I believe I'm
> still under suspension by the humor/humoUr committee) includes
> Kromagnon and David.

I am SHOCKED AND APPALLED that my chimpanzee joke has not been
shortlisted!

tom

--
No noon today. Noon tomorrow. There's always a noon tomorrow.

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:36:13 GMT, SEAL <usseal3@gmail[removethis].com>
wrote:

>Hi Shute,
>
>I'm trying to gain. Originally the goal was to reach 160, but now I'm
>there. Actually I teeter between 159 and 160. Yeah, it's 8 scoops
>throughout the day of protein, and 10 ounces of milk. So it's 4 scoops
>in the morning, and 4 scoops at night. And throughout the day, I eat
>Healthy Choice meals so I can easily count calories and other
>macronutrients.
>
>The 9% bf would be nice, but presently, I'm between 13% and 19%. I
>don't mind it so much.
>
>Yes, I'm pretty much a walking tapeworm. The weight gainer actually
>worked to get me to 160, but now I'm out. I need to buy more, and all I
>have left is protein powder. My protein intake doubled only a couple of
>days ago.
>
>When I was downing the weight gainer, I was reaching 3200 calories in a
>day. With the protein, it's hard to break 2500 calories. Yesterday,
>although my protein was 230 grams, I consumed only 2100 calories. Not good.
>
>SEAL

It sounds to me like you are trying to do too much at once. You are
trying to gain muscle and lose body fat at the same time which isn't
easy. Taking all that powder is driving up your calories and probably
making you fatter. Eight scoops of the stuff I am taking is 960
calories. You seriously are only getting 1540 additional calories
from real food?

I would eat more real food and cut way back on the protein powder. If
you want to stick to a high protein diet you could still eat things
like skinless chicken breast. I am sure other people here can
suggest better diet plans and recommended doses for whey.

On Wed, 22 Nov 2006 02:47:49 +0000, Tom Anderson
<twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Nov 2006, Curt wrote:
>
>> DZ wrote:
>>> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>>>> Dnia 2006-11-21 SEAL napisa³(a):
>>
>>>>> <snip> but am still not 9% body fat.
>>>>
>>>> Eat junk food. I'm serious.
>>>
>>> It is not Poland, Andrzej. People here approach 9% from above.
>>
>> And DZ joins the fray battling it out for November's humor award!
>>
>> The field up to this point (unofficially, of course, as I believe I'm
>> still under suspension by the humor/humoUr committee) includes
>> Kromagnon and David.
>
>I am SHOCKED AND APPALLED that my chimpanzee joke has not been
>shortlisted!
>

Don't monkey with the Chairman, whose decision is final and has the
full confidence of The Board. ;o)

"SEAL" <usseal3@gmail[removethis].com> schreef:

> I'm consuming at least 230grams of whey protein daily now.

Thats all?

> Also, I have learned to drink milk. I got the Lactaid kind, and it's
> been easy and no problem. In order to gain more weight, should I go
> back to the weight gainer or stay with the protein powder? By the way,
> I've reached 160 pounds, but am still not 9% body fat.

I dont trust you.

You claim you take in 230 grams of whey powder.

Thats about... 350 grams total? You eat foods that contain protein, right?

And you weigh 160 pounds? Gimme a fucking break.

BTW, i pay 130 Euros for 5 kilo 80% Whey. Thats 4000 grams. You empty that
17 days...right.

----
Pete

"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters@yahoo.com> schreef:

> Eat junk food. I'm serious.

Junk food in combination with protein shakes and multi vit/min supplements
can give *excellent* results.

----
Pete

SEAL,

You are going to have to look at more than just your straight protein
intake if you are trying to gain weight. There is much more than that.
For your weight, 230 g of protein powder is more than you need. You
need to get some more from your diet. You also need to increase your
intake of good healthy carbs and EFAs (essential fatty acids).
Dropping your calorie intake is going to make it impossible to gain
weight no matter how many grams of protein you are consuming.

Go to www.peakperformance-training.com and read the article on there
called "Packing on the Mass". It gives some good tips and part 2 is
going to be posted very soon. There is also a newsletter I would
recommend signing up for because it gives alot of nutrtion and workout
tips that are relevant to what you are looking for.

Stay Strong,

Caleb
www.peakperformance-training.com



SEAL wrote:
> Shute wrote:
> > On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:28:24 GMT, SEAL <usseal3@gmail[removethis].com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Hey guys,
> >>
> >> I'm consuming at least 230grams of whey protein daily now. I'm pumping
> >> iron short of injury too. Before this, I was downing weight gainer
> >> daily but the protein was only ~100 grams per day. But now, I'm out of
> >> the weightgainer and all I have left is protein powder.
> >>
> >> Also, I have learned to drink milk. I got the Lactaid kind, and it's
> >> been easy and no problem. In order to gain more weight, should I go
> >> back to the weight gainer or stay with the protein powder? By the way,
> >> I've reached 160 pounds, but am still not 9% body fat.
> >>
> >> Okay, I'm going. Need to pump iron now.
> >>
> >> SEAL
> >
> > That sounds like an awful lot of whey powder. That is like 8 scoops
> > of the stuff I am taking. Are you trying to go up or down to 9%
> > bodyfat? If you are taking all that and not gaining weight you either
> > have a very poor diet or a huge tapeworm.
> >
>
> Hi Shute,
>
> I'm trying to gain. Originally the goal was to reach 160, but now I'm
> there. Actually I teeter between 159 and 160. Yeah, it's 8 scoops
> throughout the day of protein, and 10 ounces of milk. So it's 4 scoops
> in the morning, and 4 scoops at night. And throughout the day, I eat
> Healthy Choice meals so I can easily count calories and other
> macronutrients.
>
> The 9% bf would be nice, but presently, I'm between 13% and 19%. I
> don't mind it so much.
>
> Yes, I'm pretty much a walking tapeworm. The weight gainer actually
> worked to get me to 160, but now I'm out. I need to buy more, and all I
> have left is protein powder. My protein intake doubled only a couple of
> days ago.
>
> When I was downing the weight gainer, I was reaching 3200 calories in a
> day. With the protein, it's hard to break 2500 calories. Yesterday,
> although my protein was 230 grams, I consumed only 2100 calories. Not good.
>
> SEAL

cnw44@hotmail.com wrote:
> SEAL,
>
> You are going to have to look at more than just your straight protein
> intake if you are trying to gain weight. There is much more than that.
> For your weight, 230 g of protein powder is more than you need. You
> need to get some more from your diet. You also need to increase your
> intake of good healthy carbs and EFAs (essential fatty acids).
> Dropping your calorie intake is going to make it impossible to gain
> weight no matter how many grams of protein you are consuming.
>
> Go to www.peakperformance-training.com and read the article on there
> called "Packing on the Mass". It gives some good tips and part 2 is
> going to be posted very soon. There is also a newsletter I would
> recommend signing up for because it gives alot of nutrtion and workout
> tips that are relevant to what you are looking for.
>
> Stay Strong,
>
> Caleb
> www.peakperformance-training.com
>
>
>
> SEAL wrote:
>> Shute wrote:
>>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:28:24 GMT, SEAL <usseal3@gmail[removethis].com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey guys,
>>>>
>>>> I'm consuming at least 230grams of whey protein daily now. I'm pumping
>>>> iron short of injury too. Before this, I was downing weight gainer
>>>> daily but the protein was only ~100 grams per day. But now, I'm out of
>>>> the weightgainer and all I have left is protein powder.
>>>>
>>>> Also, I have learned to drink milk. I got the Lactaid kind, and it's
>>>> been easy and no problem. In order to gain more weight, should I go
>>>> back to the weight gainer or stay with the protein powder? By the way,
>>>> I've reached 160 pounds, but am still not 9% body fat.
>>>>
>>>> Okay, I'm going. Need to pump iron now.
>>>>
>>>> SEAL
>>> That sounds like an awful lot of whey powder. That is like 8 scoops
>>> of the stuff I am taking. Are you trying to go up or down to 9%
>>> bodyfat? If you are taking all that and not gaining weight you either
>>> have a very poor diet or a huge tapeworm.
>>>
>> Hi Shute,
>>
>> I'm trying to gain. Originally the goal was to reach 160, but now I'm
>> there. Actually I teeter between 159 and 160. Yeah, it's 8 scoops
>> throughout the day of protein, and 10 ounces of milk. So it's 4 scoops
>> in the morning, and 4 scoops at night. And throughout the day, I eat
>> Healthy Choice meals so I can easily count calories and other
>> macronutrients.
>>
>> The 9% bf would be nice, but presently, I'm between 13% and 19%. I
>> don't mind it so much.
>>
>> Yes, I'm pretty much a walking tapeworm. The weight gainer actually
>> worked to get me to 160, but now I'm out. I need to buy more, and all I
>> have left is protein powder. My protein intake doubled only a couple of
>> days ago.
>>
>> When I was downing the weight gainer, I was reaching 3200 calories in a
>> day. With the protein, it's hard to break 2500 calories. Yesterday,
>> although my protein was 230 grams, I consumed only 2100 calories. Not good.
>>
>> SEAL
>

Shute and cnw,

Thanks for the great advice. I'll visit the site right away.

SEAL

"SEAL" <usseal3@gmail[removethis].com> wrote in message
news:sYL8h.22444$yl4.8917@newssvr12.news.prodigy.c om...
> Hey guys,

Hey, SEAL,

> I'm consuming at least 230grams of whey protein daily now.

If you're actually several people, that's great. For one person of your
size, it's too much.

> I'm pumping iron short of injury too.

Pumping iron is good. Not getting injured is also good.

> Before this, I was downing weight gainer
> daily but the protein was only ~100 grams per day. But now, I'm out
> of
> the weightgainer and all I have left is protein powder.

Is there a reason you cannot buy more of the food you want to eat? In
some parts of the world, there certainly is, but you don't sound like
you're living in one of them.

> Also, I have learned to drink milk. I got the Lactaid kind, and it's
> been easy and no problem.

OK.

> In order to gain more weight, should I go
> back to the weight gainer or stay with the protein powder? By the
> way,
> I've reached 160 pounds, but am still not 9% body fat.

It sounds like your goal was to gain weight and muscle, up to 160
pounds, but also to lose bodyfat. Since you've reached something of a
goal weight, this would be a good time to start eating less, keep
lifting, and see if you can now drop some bodyweight with the goal of
reducing bodyfat while maintaining as much muscle as possible. The
classic strategy is alternating cycles of bulking, which you've just
done, and cutting, which I recommend you now do. I don't know what your
starting weight was - if it was close to your current weight, e.g., if
you started at 150, then you might keep bulking for a while longer.
OTOH, if you started at 130 and you're up to 160, it's a fine time to
drop a little fat and see where you end up in terms of overall
bodyweight and composition.

> Okay, I'm going. Need to pump iron now.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

How about reducing your total protein, including both food and
supplements, to somewhere between 70 and 140 grams per day? You really
don't need more than that - the numbers I gave are roughly 1 gram per
kilo of bodyweight and 1 gram per pound of bodyweight. Reducing your
protein will also reduce your calories some, good if you're cutting.

Good luck to you.

> SEAL

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

"Steve Freides" <steve@fridayscomputer.com> schreef:

> Hey, SEAL,

>> I'm consuming at least 230grams of whey protein daily now.

> If you're actually several people, that's great. For one person of your
> size, it's too much.

Huh ?!?!?!

Whats this?

A sign that all life, as we know it, will end? All Gore was right?

----
Pete

Dnia 2006-11-22 SEAL napisa³(a):
> Shute wrote:
>> On Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:28:24 GMT, SEAL <usseal3@gmail[removethis].com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey guys,
>>>
>>> I'm consuming at least 230grams of whey protein daily now. I'm pumping
>>> iron short of injury too. Before this, I was downing weight gainer
>>> daily but the protein was only ~100 grams per day. But now, I'm out of
>>> the weightgainer and all I have left is protein powder.
>>>
>>> Also, I have learned to drink milk. I got the Lactaid kind, and it's
>>> been easy and no problem. In order to gain more weight, should I go
>>> back to the weight gainer or stay with the protein powder? By the way,
>>> I've reached 160 pounds, but am still not 9% body fat.
>>>
>>> Okay, I'm going. Need to pump iron now.
>>>
>>> SEAL
>>
>> That sounds like an awful lot of whey powder. That is like 8 scoops
>> of the stuff I am taking. Are you trying to go up or down to 9%
>> bodyfat? If you are taking all that and not gaining weight you either
>> have a very poor diet or a huge tapeworm.
>>
>
> Hi Shute,
>
> I'm trying to gain. Originally the goal was to reach 160, but now I'm
> there. Actually I teeter between 159 and 160. Yeah, it's 8 scoops
> throughout the day of protein, and 10 ounces of milk. So it's 4 scoops
> in the morning, and 4 scoops at night. And throughout the day, I eat
> Healthy Choice meals so I can easily count calories and other
> macronutrients.
>
> The 9% bf would be nice, but presently, I'm between 13% and 19%. I
> don't mind it so much.
>
> Yes, I'm pretty much a walking tapeworm. The weight gainer actually
> worked to get me to 160, but now I'm out. I need to buy more, and all I
> have left is protein powder. My protein intake doubled only a couple of
> days ago.
>
> When I was downing the weight gainer, I was reaching 3200 calories in a
> day. With the protein, it's hard to break 2500 calories. Yesterday,
> although my protein was 230 grams, I consumed only 2100 calories. Not good.
>
> SEAL

Man, you can confuse people. Why mentioning 9% if you are firmly in
double digits range?

First, stop that bullshit with all the powders you are eating. They
are bad substitute for real food. Take a bit of whey post workout and
that's it. Eat real food. Plenty of it, if you want to gain. Eat
less if you want to cut. Continue to lift all the time. Avoid big
swings in your bodyweight along your bulking/cutting cycles.

Such a simple thing, yet some people manage to screw it up oh so well.

--
Andrzej Rosa 1127R

Tom Anderson wrote:
> Curt wrote:
> > DZ wrote:
> >> Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> >>> Dnia 2006-11-21 SEAL napisa³(a):
> >
> >>>> <snip> but am still not 9% body fat.
> >>>
> >>> Eat junk food. I'm serious.
> >>
> >> It is not Poland, Andrzej. People here approach 9% from above.
> >
> > And DZ joins the fray battling it out for November's humor award!
> >
> > The field up to this point (unofficially, of course, as I believe I'm
> > still under suspension by the humor/humoUr committee) includes
> > Kromagnon and David.
>
> I am SHOCKED AND APPALLED that my chimpanzee joke has not been
> shortlisted!

I musta missed the monkey. My bad.

> tom

Wait, there was your one sig that included 24-hour monkey vision?

Oh, heck, I think you get shortlisted for your reaction to not being
shortlisted. ;o)

--
Curt

Charles wrote:
> Tom Anderson wrote:
[...]

> > I am SHOCKED AND APPALLED that my
> > chimpanzee joke has not been shortlisted!
>
> Don't monkey with the Chairman, whose decision
> is final and has the full confidence of The Board. ;o)

Full confidence of The Board???

On'tday istenlay otay imhay, Omtay. I otgay ethay ootbay overay an
issingmay U inay umorhay!

Seriously, glad to hear I've been reinstated by the HumoUr Committee.
)

--
Curt

Steve Freides wrote:
> "SEAL" <usseal3@gmail[removethis].com> wrote in message
> news:sYL8h.22444$yl4.8917@newssvr12.news.prodigy.c om...
>> Hey guys,
>
> Hey, SEAL,
>
>> I'm consuming at least 230grams of whey protein daily now.
>
> If you're actually several people, that's great. For one person of your
> size, it's too much.

I see. I thought I was supposed to saturate my body with protein. It's
okay. I've been sluggish since I did that. That weight gainer had a
good portion of carbohydrates that I am now missing. I think that's the
reason.

>> I'm pumping iron short of injury too.
>
> Pumping iron is good. Not getting injured is also good.
>
>> Before this, I was downing weight gainer
>> daily but the protein was only ~100 grams per day. But now, I'm out
>> of
>> the weightgainer and all I have left is protein powder.
>
> Is there a reason you cannot buy more of the food you want to eat? In
> some parts of the world, there certainly is, but you don't sound like
> you're living in one of them.

I live in Los Angeles, California, USA. It's not so much that I can't
buy the foods I want to eat. It's that I can buy them, but they'll rot
because I never have the energy to prepare them so they'll just sit there.

Instead, I bought lots of the Healthy Choice meals which have the
numbers all printed so it makes it easier to count calories. If I'm
short one day, I'll just eat another until I reach my goal. Preparing
food for myself is too difficult. I'm single and am too busy with work
and the gym.

>> Also, I have learned to drink milk. I got the Lactaid kind, and it's
>> been easy and no problem.
>
> OK.
>
>> In order to gain more weight, should I go
>> back to the weight gainer or stay with the protein powder? By the
>> way,
>> I've reached 160 pounds, but am still not 9% body fat.
>
> It sounds like your goal was to gain weight and muscle, up to 160
> pounds, but also to lose bodyfat. Since you've reached something of a
> goal weight, this would be a good time to start eating less, keep
> lifting, and see if you can now drop some bodyweight with the goal of
> reducing bodyfat while maintaining as much muscle as possible. The
> classic strategy is alternating cycles of bulking, which you've just
> done, and cutting, which I recommend you now do. I don't know what your
> starting weight was - if it was close to your current weight, e.g., if
> you started at 150, then you might keep bulking for a while longer.
> OTOH, if you started at 130 and you're up to 160, it's a fine time to
> drop a little fat and see where you end up in terms of overall
> bodyweight and composition.

My goal is to gain weight. If I don't reach the 9% right away, I'm
still proud that I reached 160. If I trim down to 9% now, I'll be less
than 160 so it's not such a big deal for now. I just brought it up
because that is my goal.

>> Okay, I'm going. Need to pump iron now.
>
> Sounds like a good idea to me.
>
> How about reducing your total protein, including both food and
> supplements, to somewhere between 70 and 140 grams per day? You really
> don't need more than that - the numbers I gave are roughly 1 gram per
> kilo of bodyweight and 1 gram per pound of bodyweight. Reducing your
> protein will also reduce your calories some, good if you're cutting.

Thanks. I'm thinking that while taking that much protein is good, it
actually weakens a person unless they have the carbohydrates to go with
it. This is only a theory because I can't explain how I run out of gas
in the gym so quickly now.

> Good luck to you.

Thank you.

>> SEAL

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> Steve Freides wrote:
>> "SEAL" <usseal3@gmail[removethis].com> wrote in message
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>>> Hey guys,
>>
>> Hey, SEAL,
>>
>>> I'm consuming at least 230grams of whey protein daily now.
>>
>> If you're actually several people, that's great. For one person of
>> your
>> size, it's too much.
>
> I see. I thought I was supposed to saturate my body with protein.
> It's
> okay. I've been sluggish since I did that. That weight gainer had a
> good portion of carbohydrates that I am now missing. I think that's
> the
> reason.
>
>>> I'm pumping iron short of injury too.
>>
>> Pumping iron is good. Not getting injured is also good.
>>
>>> Before this, I was downing weight gainer
>>> daily but the protein was only ~100 grams per day. But now, I'm out
>>> of
>>> the weightgainer and all I have left is protein powder.
>>
>> Is there a reason you cannot buy more of the food you want to eat?
>> In
>> some parts of the world, there certainly is, but you don't sound like
>> you're living in one of them.
>
> I live in Los Angeles, California, USA. It's not so much that I can't
> buy the foods I want to eat. It's that I can buy them, but they'll
> rot
> because I never have the energy to prepare them so they'll just sit
> there.
>
> Instead, I bought lots of the Healthy Choice meals which have the
> numbers all printed so it makes it easier to count calories. If I'm
> short one day, I'll just eat another until I reach my goal. Preparing
> food for myself is too difficult. I'm single and am too busy with
> work
> and the gym.
>
>>> Also, I have learned to drink milk. I got the Lactaid kind, and
>>> it's
>>> been easy and no problem.
>>
>> OK.
>>
>>> In order to gain more weight, should I go
>>> back to the weight gainer or stay with the protein powder? By the
>>> way,
>>> I've reached 160 pounds, but am still not 9% body fat.
>>
>> It sounds like your goal was to gain weight and muscle, up to 160
>> pounds, but also to lose bodyfat. Since you've reached something of
>> a
>> goal weight, this would be a good time to start eating less, keep
>> lifting, and see if you can now drop some bodyweight with the goal of
>> reducing bodyfat while maintaining as much muscle as possible. The
>> classic strategy is alternating cycles of bulking, which you've just
>> done, and cutting, which I recommend you now do. I don't know what
>> your
>> starting weight was - if it was close to your current weight, e.g.,
>> if
>> you started at 150, then you might keep bulking for a while longer.
>> OTOH, if you started at 130 and you're up to 160, it's a fine time to
>> drop a little fat and see where you end up in terms of overall
>> bodyweight and composition.
>
> My goal is to gain weight. If I don't reach the 9% right away, I'm
> still proud that I reached 160. If I trim down to 9% now, I'll be
> less
> than 160 so it's not such a big deal for now. I just brought it up
> because that is my goal.
>
>>> Okay, I'm going. Need to pump iron now.
>>
>> Sounds like a good idea to me.
>>
>> How about reducing your total protein, including both food and
>> supplements, to somewhere between 70 and 140 grams per day? You
>> really
>> don't need more than that - the numbers I gave are roughly 1 gram per
>> kilo of bodyweight and 1 gram per pound of bodyweight. Reducing your
>> protein will also reduce your calories some, good if you're cutting.
>
> Thanks. I'm thinking that while taking that much protein is good, it
> actually weakens a person unless they have the carbohydrates to go
> with
> it. This is only a theory because I can't explain how I run out of
> gas
> in the gym so quickly now.

Finding what constitutes good, balanced nutrition that works for you
takes some experimentation. It sounds like you're thinking pretty
clearly, so just keep working at it and you'll figure it out. Weight
gainers do often have lots of everything in them, including carbs, so
just be sure your diet makes sense. The idea to "saturate" your body
with protein isn't really correct - get what you need and that's enough.
Too much of it long-term can have adverse health consequences in some
people, and remember that you're a relatively small person so you're not
going to want to match numbers with people who outweigh you by 100 or
more lbs. There is nothing wrong with a relatively small amount of
carbs in your diet, but it does take getting used to, so don't rule it
out altogether. I now eat a relatively small amount of carbs most days,
and I would have been miserable like that a few years ago, but I got
used to it gradually. Just remember that diet is a lot like exercise in
that sudden changes can be tough on the body but you can adapt over time
with the right amount of change over time.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


>> Good luck to you.
>
> Thank you.
>
>>> SEAL