Q for Will: Finasteride

Will Brink - you've written some articles on the subject of hair loss back
in 1997 and in 2005. I was just handed a prescription for Finasterid 1mg
today.

If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of the time),
what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far as you
know)? And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the chances
that the gyno would subside on its own?

If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is easier to
correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other hand.... it
could be worse.

If you had stage III hair loss at 32 would you take Finasteride or would you
happily go bald? Of course, going bald can take years so I might as well do
a Britney Spears / Federline act if that's the case.

Thanks,
Richard

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:

> If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
> depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of the time),
> what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far as you
> know)?

Theoretically, it increases.

But you take 200 a week, right? I wouldnt worry about it.

> And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the chances
> that the gyno would subside on its own?

Theorecatially, it start to get less. More DHT.
But if you notice it, you are better of with some Proviron and Nolvadex as
well.

> If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is easier to
> correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other hand.... it
> could be worse.

I took more than a gram, and i never had gyno. I am not bald either.

--
Pete

"Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl> wrote in message
news:45efd210$0$84073$dbd4b001@news.wanadoo.nl...
> "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:
>
> > If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
> > depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of the
time),
> > what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far as you
> > know)?
>
> Theoretically, it increases.
>
> But you take 200 a week, right? I wouldnt worry about it.

Yep

> > And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the chances
> > that the gyno would subside on its own?
>
> Theorecatially, it start to get less. More DHT.
> But if you notice it, you are better of with some Proviron and Nolvadex as
> well.

Interesting.

> > If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is easier to
> > correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other hand.... it
> > could be worse.
>
> I took more than a gram, and i never had gyno. I am not bald either.

Really.. that's good to hear. You still like them big rear-ends, so I take
it that the Finasteride didn't effect that department either. Well that's
good news! Thanks!

Richard

> --
> Pete
>
>

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:

>> Theorecatially, it start to get less. More DHT.
>> But if you notice it, you are better of with some Proviron and Nolvadex
>> as
>> well.

> Interesting.

Some guys complain about finasteride when they took it with test.

Less gains, less appetite and even less libido.

>> I took more than a gram, and i never had gyno. I am not bald either.

> Really.. that's good to hear. You still like them big rear-ends, so I take
> it that the Finasteride didn't effect that department either. Well that's
> good news! Thanks!

Both Will and Robert can give you more info. Robert can give you a LOT of
information about this.

--
Pete

In article <H5HHh.13710$Xk.1678@newsfe17.phx>, "Richard"
<no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote:

> Will Brink - you've written some articles on the subject of hair loss back
> in 1997 and in 2005. I was just handed a prescription for Finasterid 1mg
> today.
>
> If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
> depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of the time),
> what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far as you
> know)?

Impossible to answer with any hard numbers as there are no studies
looking at that. In theory, risk of gyno would increase. By how much,
depends on some variables, like history of gyno, etc.

>And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the chances
> that the gyno would subside on its own?

In general, early gyno will go away if the offending stimulus is removed
or reduced.

>
> If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is easier to
> correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other hand.... it
> could be worse.

It can always be worse.

>
> If you had stage III hair loss at 32 would you take Finasteride or would you
> happily go bald?

Have you seen my hair line? It's not exactly a full thick head if hair. I
tried finasteride years ago, didn't seem to do zip for my hair growth. I
think the drug is overrated for hair growth and underrated for side
effects. Not much to add from what I said in my follow up article on the
topic:

http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=13

>Of course, going bald can take years so I might as well do
> a Britney Spears / Federline act if that's the case.

He looks better bald than she does, that's for sure.

>
> Thanks,
> Richard

--
Will @ www.BrinkZone.com

"It twas ever thus " - Mr Natural

"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:willbrink-0803070918160001@192.168.2.156...
> In article <H5HHh.13710$Xk.1678@newsfe17.phx>, "Richard"
> <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote:
>
> > Will Brink - you've written some articles on the subject of hair loss
back
> > in 1997 and in 2005. I was just handed a prescription for Finasterid 1mg
> > today.
> >
> > If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
> > depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of the
time),
> > what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far as you
> > know)?
>
> Impossible to answer with any hard numbers as there are no studies
> looking at that. In theory, risk of gyno would increase. By how much,
> depends on some variables, like history of gyno, etc.
>
> >And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the chances
> > that the gyno would subside on its own?
>
> In general, early gyno will go away if the offending stimulus is removed
> or reduced.
>
> >
> > If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is easier to
> > correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other hand.... it
> > could be worse.
>
> It can always be worse.
>
> >
> > If you had stage III hair loss at 32 would you take Finasteride or would
you
> > happily go bald?
>
> Have you seen my hair line? It's not exactly a full thick head if hair. I
> tried finasteride years ago, didn't seem to do zip for my hair growth. I
> think the drug is overrated for hair growth and underrated for side
> effects. Not much to add from what I said in my follow up article on the
> topic:
>
> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=13
>
> >Of course, going bald can take years so I might as well do
> > a Britney Spears / Federline act if that's the case.
>
> He looks better bald than she does, that's for sure.
>
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Richard
>
> --
> Will @ www.BrinkZone.com
>
> "It twas ever thus " - Mr Natural


Thanks for the information. Based on this and what Pete just added about
some guys not gaining as much on it.. I think I'll skip it. Actually the
"not gaining as much" is what did it for me. I can't afford that. I wonder
if there is a reason for that. Also there are reports of breast cancer from
using Finasteride (or so I've read).

Richard

On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Will Brink wrote:

> In article <H5HHh.13710$Xk.1678@newsfe17.phx>, "Richard"
> <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote:
>
>> Will Brink - you've written some articles on the subject of hair loss back
>> in 1997 and in 2005. I was just handed a prescription for Finasterid 1mg
>> today.
>>
>> If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
>> depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of the time),
>> what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far as you
>> know)?
>
> Impossible to answer with any hard numbers as there are no studies
> looking at that. In theory, risk of gyno would increase. By how much,
> depends on some variables, like history of gyno, etc.
>
>> And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the chances
>> that the gyno would subside on its own?
>
> In general, early gyno will go away if the offending stimulus is removed
> or reduced.
>
>>
>> If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is easier to
>> correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other hand.... it
>> could be worse.
>
> It can always be worse.
>
>>
>> If you had stage III hair loss at 32 would you take Finasteride or would you
>> happily go bald?
>
> Have you seen my hair line? It's not exactly a full thick head if hair. I
> tried finasteride years ago, didn't seem to do zip for my hair growth. I
> think the drug is overrated for hair growth and underrated for side
> effects. Not much to add from what I said in my follow up article on the
> topic:
>
> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=13
>
>> Of course, going bald can take years so I might as well do
>> a Britney Spears / Federline act if that's the case.
>
> He looks better bald than she does, that's for sure.
>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Richard


Anyone know how trenbolone acetate affects hair loss?


--Sir Jackery

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:

> Thanks for the information. Based on this and what Pete just added about
> some guys not gaining as much on it.. I think I'll skip it. Actually the
> "not gaining as much" is what did it for me. I can't afford that. I wonder
> if there is a reason for that.

I have been trying to figure this out for more than a decade. DHT is not
very anabolic. Neither are estrogens. A good friend of mine once did 500mg
test/week, and used a lot of Proscar and Cytadren. He figured that if test
is not converted to DHT and E, which are not very anabolic, there is more T
in the system. Which is ananolic.

But that experiment failed.

>Also there are reports of breast cancer from
> using Finasteride (or so I've read).

If you want to optimize the gains from T, perhaps you should add Proviron.
Sometimes that works.

--
Pete

Pete wrote:

>"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:
>
>
>
>>If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
>>depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of the time),
>>what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far as you
>>know)?
>>
>>
>
>Theoretically, it increases.
>
>But you take 200 a week, right? I wouldnt worry about it.
>
>
>
>>And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the chances
>>that the gyno would subside on its own?
>>
>>
>
>Theorecatially, it start to get less. More DHT.
>But if you notice it, you are better of with some Proviron and Nolvadex as
>well.
>
>
>
>>If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is easier to
>>correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other hand.... it
>>could be worse.
>>
>>
>
>I took more than a gram, and i never had gyno. I am not bald either.
>
>--
>Pete
>
>
>
>
Pete,
You know that everyone is different when it comes to gyno and hair loss.
I am not sure why this guy is asking about Proscar vs Arimidex or
Nolvadex. You have to remember that Proviron is NOT easy to get in the
US anymore. The hair loss issue is more genetic than any of the other
problems. I can tell you this though, I have no family history of
baldness and at 44 have as much hair as I did when I was 24, but I did
take *Testosterone Undecanoate* pills once and my hair did thin out a
bit. I realized VERY quickly that it was a useless drug and stopped it.
I think it basically does nothing but convert to DHT. I even used Cheque
Drops once and had no problems, so the Andriol/Undustor etc. is NOT good
for your hair! :-)

--
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

Sir Jackery wrote:

> On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Will Brink wrote:
>
>> In article <H5HHh.13710$Xk.1678@newsfe17.phx>, "Richard"
>> <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote:
>>
>>> Will Brink - you've written some articles on the subject of hair
>>> loss back
>>> in 1997 and in 2005. I was just handed a prescription for Finasterid
>>> 1mg
>>> today.
>>>
>>> If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
>>> depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of the
>>> time),
>>> what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far as
>>> you
>>> know)?
>>
>>
>> Impossible to answer with any hard numbers as there are no studies
>> looking at that. In theory, risk of gyno would increase. By how much,
>> depends on some variables, like history of gyno, etc.
>>
>>> And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the chances
>>> that the gyno would subside on its own?
>>
>>
>> In general, early gyno will go away if the offending stimulus is
>> removed
>> or reduced.
>>
>>>
>>> If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is easier to
>>> correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other
>>> hand.... it
>>> could be worse.
>>
>>
>> It can always be worse.
>>
>>>
>>> If you had stage III hair loss at 32 would you take Finasteride or
>>> would you
>>> happily go bald?
>>
>>
>> Have you seen my hair line? It's not exactly a full thick head if
>> hair. I
>> tried finasteride years ago, didn't seem to do zip for my hair growth. I
>> think the drug is overrated for hair growth and underrated for side
>> effects. Not much to add from what I said in my follow up article on the
>> topic:
>>
>> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=13
>>
>>> Of course, going bald can take years so I might as well do
>>> a Britney Spears / Federline act if that's the case.
>>
>>
>> He looks better bald than she does, that's for sure.
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Richard
>>
>
>
> Anyone know how trenbolone acetate affects hair loss?
>
>
> --Sir Jackery

I have not seen anyone have any trouble with it.

--
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuhpolycock.com> wrote in message
news:lNrIh.7$p17.1@newsfe11.phx...
> Pete wrote:
>
> >"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:
> >
> >
> >
> >>If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
> >>depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of the
time),
> >>what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far as you
> >>know)?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Theoretically, it increases.
> >
> >But you take 200 a week, right? I wouldnt worry about it.
> >
> >
> >
> >>And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the chances
> >>that the gyno would subside on its own?
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Theorecatially, it start to get less. More DHT.
> >But if you notice it, you are better of with some Proviron and Nolvadex
as
> >well.
> >
> >
> >
> >>If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is easier to
> >>correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other hand.... it
> >>could be worse.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >I took more than a gram, and i never had gyno. I am not bald either.
> >
> >--
> >Pete
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Pete,
> You know that everyone is different when it comes to gyno and hair loss.
> I am not sure why this guy is asking about Proscar vs Arimidex or
> Nolvadex. You have to remember that Proviron is NOT easy to get in the
> US anymore. The hair loss issue is more genetic than any of the other
> problems. I can tell you this though, I have no family history of
> baldness and at 44 have as much hair as I did when I was 24, but I did
> take *Testosterone Undecanoate* pills once and my hair did thin out a
> bit. I realized VERY quickly that it was a useless drug and stopped it.
> I think it basically does nothing but convert to DHT. I even used Cheque
> Drops once and had no problems, so the Andriol/Undustor etc. is NOT good
> for your hair! :-)


What about testosterone cypionate? how close is that to Anidrol? not close
at all?
I can't stop taking it.. and yes I am genetically predisposed for hair
loss.. but I wish I could do something without stopping the
depo-testosterone and without getting gyno or slowing muscle gain. I want my
cake and a big bowl of ice cream, and I want to eat it too! help?

Richard


> --
> --
> Robert Schuh
> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
> - Nietzsche
>
> http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

Richard wrote:

>"Will Brink" <willbrink@comcast.net> wrote in message
>news:willbrink-0803070918160001@192.168.2.156...
>
>
>>In article <H5HHh.13710$Xk.1678@newsfe17.phx>, "Richard"
>><no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>Will Brink - you've written some articles on the subject of hair loss
>>>
>>>
>back
>
>
>>>in 1997 and in 2005. I was just handed a prescription for Finasterid 1mg
>>>today.
>>>
>>>If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
>>>depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of the
>>>
>>>
>time),
>
>
>>>what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far as you
>>>know)?
>>>
>>>
>>Impossible to answer with any hard numbers as there are no studies
>>looking at that. In theory, risk of gyno would increase. By how much,
>>depends on some variables, like history of gyno, etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>>And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the chances
>>>that the gyno would subside on its own?
>>>
>>>
>>In general, early gyno will go away if the offending stimulus is removed
>>or reduced.
>>
>>
>>
>>>If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is easier to
>>>correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other hand.... it
>>>could be worse.
>>>
>>>
>>It can always be worse.
>>
>>
>>
>>>If you had stage III hair loss at 32 would you take Finasteride or would
>>>
>>>
>you
>
>
>>>happily go bald?
>>>
>>>
>>Have you seen my hair line? It's not exactly a full thick head if hair. I
>>tried finasteride years ago, didn't seem to do zip for my hair growth. I
>>think the drug is overrated for hair growth and underrated for side
>>effects. Not much to add from what I said in my follow up article on the
>>topic:
>>
>>http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=13
>>
>>
>>
>>>Of course, going bald can take years so I might as well do
>>>a Britney Spears / Federline act if that's the case.
>>>
>>>
>>He looks better bald than she does, that's for sure.
>>
>>
>>
>>>Thanks,
>>>Richard
>>>
>>>
>>--
>>Will @ www.BrinkZone.com
>>
>>"It twas ever thus " - Mr Natural
>>
>>
>
>
>Thanks for the information. Based on this and what Pete just added about
>some guys not gaining as much on it.. I think I'll skip it. Actually the
>"not gaining as much" is what did it for me. I can't afford that. I wonder
>if there is a reason for that. Also there are reports of breast cancer from
>using Finasteride (or so I've read).
>
>Richard
>
>
>
>
Richard,
I am still curious as to what your main concern is? Proscar has been
shown to not do much on the positive side and tends to have far more
negative side effects. If you are concerned with gyno, I would look into
Arimidex or Nolvadex. You still have to be careful there too as you
don't want to get rid of all the Estrogen. You need a certain amount of
Estrogen to gain muscle. Once again, that part is VERY different from
person to person, so what may be the perfect amount of Estrogen for Tom
may give Bill horrible gyno. Gyno is VERY easy to fix. If you start to
feel any pain or increased sensitivity, you can cut your dosage of the
androgen or you could begin with Arimidex or Nolvadex. What most would
do initially would be to start with both as the Nolvadex will bind at
the receptor site with the Estrogen and the Arimidex will stop the
conversion. Once you get rid of the sensitivity, then you can just use
the Arimidex. I really don't think that you are using enough to worry.
When I competed, we did not have Arimidex, so we used both Proviron and
Nolvadex. When I was in the off season, I did my best to not use any
"anti" Estrogen drugs, but at contest time, they made a BIG difference
with water weight. I would slowly increase my Nolvadex intake up getting
closer to the show and then use IV Lasix for the last 24 hours or so.

--
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Robert Schuh wrote:

> Sir Jackery wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Will Brink wrote:
>>
>>> In article <H5HHh.13710$Xk.1678@newsfe17.phx>, "Richard"
>>> <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Will Brink - you've written some articles on the subject of hair loss
>>>> back
>>>> in 1997 and in 2005. I was just handed a prescription for Finasterid 1mg
>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>> If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
>>>> depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of the
>>>> time),
>>>> what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far as you
>>>> know)?
>>>
>>>
>>> Impossible to answer with any hard numbers as there are no studies
>>> looking at that. In theory, risk of gyno would increase. By how much,
>>> depends on some variables, like history of gyno, etc.
>>>
>>>> And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the chances
>>>> that the gyno would subside on its own?
>>>
>>>
>>> In general, early gyno will go away if the offending stimulus is removed
>>> or reduced.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is easier to
>>>> correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other hand.... it
>>>> could be worse.
>>>
>>>
>>> It can always be worse.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you had stage III hair loss at 32 would you take Finasteride or would
>>>> you
>>>> happily go bald?
>>>
>>>
>>> Have you seen my hair line? It's not exactly a full thick head if hair. I
>>> tried finasteride years ago, didn't seem to do zip for my hair growth. I
>>> think the drug is overrated for hair growth and underrated for side
>>> effects. Not much to add from what I said in my follow up article on the
>>> topic:
>>>
>>> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=13
>>>
>>>> Of course, going bald can take years so I might as well do
>>>> a Britney Spears / Federline act if that's the case.
>>>
>>>
>>> He looks better bald than she does, that's for sure.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Richard
>>>
>>
>>
>> Anyone know how trenbolone acetate affects hair loss?
>>
>>
>> --Sir Jackery
>
> I have not seen anyone have any trouble with it.

Thanks for the input. Anyone know the solubility in DMSO and the suggested
transdermal dosage range?


--Sir Jackery

Pete wrote:

>"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:
>
>
>
>>Thanks for the information. Based on this and what Pete just added about
>>some guys not gaining as much on it.. I think I'll skip it. Actually the
>>"not gaining as much" is what did it for me. I can't afford that. I wonder
>>if there is a reason for that.
>>
>>
>
>I have been trying to figure this out for more than a decade. DHT is not
>very anabolic. Neither are estrogens. A good friend of mine once did 500mg
>test/week, and used a lot of Proscar and Cytadren. He figured that if test
>is not converted to DHT and E, which are not very anabolic, there is more T
>in the system. Which is ananolic.
>
>But that experiment failed.
>
>
Pete,
I can't quite agree with you on the Estrogen part. It certainly be
counter productive in higher amounts, but there has to be a certain
amount to be in a truly anabolic state. There are many Vet Anabolic
mixes that have added Estrogen in them for that very reason. There were
a good # of interesting Vet products that came out of Australia back in
the late 80s and early 90s. If I recall, they had Boldenone, a
Nandralone compound, I believe it was Nandralone Phenlyproprionate, 2
types of Test and Estrogen. This is not the best for humans, but I have
seen many people slow their gains by taking too much Nolvadex. DHT does
nothing anabolically.

>
>
>>Also there are reports of breast cancer from
>>using Finasteride (or so I've read).
>>
>>
>
>If you want to optimize the gains from T, perhaps you should add Proviron.
>Sometimes that works.
>
>--
>Pete
>
>
>
>
That is a tough one to find in the US now. Arimidex is easier to obtain
and it works better. Proviron is a good drug though.

--
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuhpolycock.com> schreef:

> Pete,
> You know that everyone is different when it comes to gyno and hair loss. I
> am not sure why this guy is asking about Proscar vs Arimidex or Nolvadex.

He is worried about side effects and want to maximize gains. But i mentioned
that on 200/week, that wont happen.

3 years ago i stacked a gram of test with 400 Deca, 50 Anadrol and 40
Dianabol.

I has some water retention, and nipples became a little sensetive, thats it.
No gyno.
Actually, the sensetive nipples were pretty cool. It improved my sex-life.

>You have to remember that Proviron is NOT easy to get in the US anymore.

We still have Proviron here. There are 5 androgens here now.

Sustanon, Proviron, Andriol, Androgel and Testim.
We used to have Halotestin and Oxymetholone, and different T-injectables
too.

Winstrol and Primo are also gone. That is EXTREMELY stupid!
Nandrolone is what we have besides test these days. The other European
Countries still have the aforementioned.

> The hair loss issue is more genetic than any of the other problems. I can
> tell you this though, I have no family history of baldness and at 44 have
> as much hair as I did when I was 24...

At 42, my hairline is receding and hair starts to thin. My brother OTOH, was
completely bald at 40, and never touched a steroid in his life.

> but I did take *Testosterone Undecanoate* pills once and my hair did thin
> out a bit. I realized VERY quickly that it was a useless drug and stopped
> it.

I once aked my doctor about it. He told me that if you compare Andriol to
Sust, you would have to take about 2 grams a week compared to 500mg Sust.
Basically, its used around here for sissys who are afraid of needles. No
really, it is. And a lot of that stuff is shipped to Saoudi Arabia. They
love it over there. They dont like injections, and realized that it worked a
lot better then grinded Rhino-horn. A LOT cheaper too!

> I think it basically does nothing but convert to DHT.

Yeah, thats what i understood. It uses the lymphatic system to enter the
body, right? But then i suspect the gels have the same problem. Anything
transdermal passes the skin, and the skin is saturated with 5-ar enzymes.

Good for erectile problems, but growth? I dont think so. Perhaps Andriol
has its use when taken together nandrolone.

> I even used Cheque Drops once and had no problems, so the
> Andriol/Undustor etc. is NOT good for your hair! :-)

I read that 50% is converted to DHT, where injectable test is 15% converted.

BTW, i believe there is *proof* that test-supplemetation does NOT increase
the risk of prostate cancer in men over 40. You know what, it actually
DEcreases it. It seems that men with low test have a crappy T:E ratio. And
that is bad for the prostate. Worse than DHT.

--
Pete

"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuhpolycock.com> wrote in message
news:yXrIh.9$p17.8@newsfe11.phx...
> Sir Jackery wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Will Brink wrote:
> >
> >> In article <H5HHh.13710$Xk.1678@newsfe17.phx>, "Richard"
> >> <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Will Brink - you've written some articles on the subject of hair
> >>> loss back
> >>> in 1997 and in 2005. I was just handed a prescription for Finasterid
> >>> 1mg
> >>> today.
> >>>
> >>> If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
> >>> depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of the
> >>> time),
> >>> what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far as
> >>> you
> >>> know)?
> >>
> >>
> >> Impossible to answer with any hard numbers as there are no studies
> >> looking at that. In theory, risk of gyno would increase. By how much,
> >> depends on some variables, like history of gyno, etc.
> >>
> >>> And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the chances
> >>> that the gyno would subside on its own?
> >>
> >>
> >> In general, early gyno will go away if the offending stimulus is
> >> removed
> >> or reduced.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is easier to
> >>> correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other
> >>> hand.... it
> >>> could be worse.
> >>
> >>
> >> It can always be worse.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> If you had stage III hair loss at 32 would you take Finasteride or
> >>> would you
> >>> happily go bald?
> >>
> >>
> >> Have you seen my hair line? It's not exactly a full thick head if
> >> hair. I
> >> tried finasteride years ago, didn't seem to do zip for my hair growth.
I
> >> think the drug is overrated for hair growth and underrated for side
> >> effects. Not much to add from what I said in my follow up article on
the
> >> topic:
> >>
> >> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=13
> >>
> >>> Of course, going bald can take years so I might as well do
> >>> a Britney Spears / Federline act if that's the case.
> >>
> >>
> >> He looks better bald than she does, that's for sure.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Richard
> >>
> >
> >
> > Anyone know how trenbolone acetate affects hair loss?
> >
> >
> > --Sir Jackery
>
> I have not seen anyone have any trouble with it.
>

Also what about Eucapil (Furidil)? It is applied to the scalp and I guess it
doesn't interfere with hormones as much as Finasteride. Anyone hear of this
stuff?

Richard


> --
> Robert Schuh
> "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
> intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
> the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
> the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
> - Nietzsche
>
> http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:FBFIh.18423$907.553@newsfe13.phx...
> "Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuhpolycock.com> wrote in message
> news:yXrIh.9$p17.8@newsfe11.phx...
> > Sir Jackery wrote:
> >
> > > On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Will Brink wrote:
> > >
> > >> In article <H5HHh.13710$Xk.1678@newsfe17.phx>, "Richard"
> > >> <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> Will Brink - you've written some articles on the subject of hair
> > >>> loss back
> > >>> in 1997 and in 2005. I was just handed a prescription for Finasterid
> > >>> 1mg
> > >>> today.
> > >>>
> > >>> If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
> > >>> depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of the
> > >>> time),
> > >>> what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far as
> > >>> you
> > >>> know)?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Impossible to answer with any hard numbers as there are no studies
> > >> looking at that. In theory, risk of gyno would increase. By how much,
> > >> depends on some variables, like history of gyno, etc.
> > >>
> > >>> And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the
chances
> > >>> that the gyno would subside on its own?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> In general, early gyno will go away if the offending stimulus is
> > >> removed
> > >> or reduced.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is easier
to
> > >>> correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other
> > >>> hand.... it
> > >>> could be worse.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> It can always be worse.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> If you had stage III hair loss at 32 would you take Finasteride or
> > >>> would you
> > >>> happily go bald?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Have you seen my hair line? It's not exactly a full thick head if
> > >> hair. I
> > >> tried finasteride years ago, didn't seem to do zip for my hair
growth.
> I
> > >> think the drug is overrated for hair growth and underrated for side
> > >> effects. Not much to add from what I said in my follow up article on
> the
> > >> topic:
> > >>
> > >> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=13
> > >>
> > >>> Of course, going bald can take years so I might as well do
> > >>> a Britney Spears / Federline act if that's the case.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> He looks better bald than she does, that's for sure.
> > >>
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>> Richard
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone know how trenbolone acetate affects hair loss?
> > >
> > >
> > > --Sir Jackery
> >
> > I have not seen anyone have any trouble with it.
> >
>
> Also what about Eucapil (Furidil)? It is applied to the scalp and I guess
it
> doesn't interfere with hormones as much as Finasteride. Anyone hear of
this
> stuff?
>
> Richard

Never mind - its 98% alcohol. I guess that's not too good? That shit might
catch my remaining hair on fire. Unless a guy carried a fire extinguisher
around.. hmm.

Richard


>
>
> > --
> > Robert Schuh
> > "Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
> > intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
> > the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
> > the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
> > - Nietzsche
> >
> > http://www.hardbopdrums.com/
>
>

Richard wrote:

>"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuhpolycock.com> wrote in message
>news:lNrIh.7$p17.1@newsfe11.phx...
>
>
>>Pete wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>"Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain> schreef:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
>>>>depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of the
>>>>
>>>>
>time),
>
>
>>>>what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far as you
>>>>know)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Theoretically, it increases.
>>>
>>>But you take 200 a week, right? I wouldnt worry about it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the chances
>>>>that the gyno would subside on its own?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Theorecatially, it start to get less. More DHT.
>>>But if you notice it, you are better of with some Proviron and Nolvadex
>>>
>>>
>as
>
>
>>>well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is easier to
>>>>correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other hand.... it
>>>>could be worse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>I took more than a gram, and i never had gyno. I am not bald either.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Pete
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Pete,
>>You know that everyone is different when it comes to gyno and hair loss.
>>I am not sure why this guy is asking about Proscar vs Arimidex or
>>Nolvadex. You have to remember that Proviron is NOT easy to get in the
>>US anymore. The hair loss issue is more genetic than any of the other
>>problems. I can tell you this though, I have no family history of
>>baldness and at 44 have as much hair as I did when I was 24, but I did
>>take *Testosterone Undecanoate* pills once and my hair did thin out a
>>bit. I realized VERY quickly that it was a useless drug and stopped it.
>>I think it basically does nothing but convert to DHT. I even used Cheque
>>Drops once and had no problems, so the Andriol/Undustor etc. is NOT good
>>for your hair! :-)
>>
>>
>
>
>What about testosterone cypionate? how close is that to Anidrol? not close
>at all?
>
>
Not close at ALL. Cyp works wonderfully and has done so forever.

>I can't stop taking it.. and yes I am genetically predisposed for hair
>loss.. but I wish I could do something without stopping the
>depo-testosterone and without getting gyno or slowing muscle gain. I want my
>cake and a big bowl of ice cream, and I want to eat it too! help?
>
>Richard
>
>
>
>
Have you had a problem with gyno? I highly doubt that you are taking
enough if you are using as replacement therapy. Most people don't see
problems until they get over 500 mg/week or so.

--
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

Sir Jackery wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Mar 2007, Robert Schuh wrote:
>
>> Sir Jackery wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Will Brink wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article <H5HHh.13710$Xk.1678@newsfe17.phx>, "Richard"
>>>> <no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Will Brink - you've written some articles on the subject of hair
>>>>> loss back
>>>>> in 1997 and in 2005. I was just handed a prescription for
>>>>> Finasterid 1mg
>>>>> today.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
>>>>> depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of
>>>>> the time),
>>>>> what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far
>>>>> as you
>>>>> know)?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Impossible to answer with any hard numbers as there are no studies
>>>> looking at that. In theory, risk of gyno would increase. By how much,
>>>> depends on some variables, like history of gyno, etc.
>>>>
>>>>> And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the chances
>>>>> that the gyno would subside on its own?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> In general, early gyno will go away if the offending stimulus is
>>>> removed
>>>> or reduced.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is
>>>>> easier to
>>>>> correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other
>>>>> hand.... it
>>>>> could be worse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It can always be worse.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you had stage III hair loss at 32 would you take Finasteride or
>>>>> would you
>>>>> happily go bald?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Have you seen my hair line? It's not exactly a full thick head if
>>>> hair. I
>>>> tried finasteride years ago, didn't seem to do zip for my hair
>>>> growth. I
>>>> think the drug is overrated for hair growth and underrated for side
>>>> effects. Not much to add from what I said in my follow up article
>>>> on the
>>>> topic:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=13
>>>>
>>>>> Of course, going bald can take years so I might as well do
>>>>> a Britney Spears / Federline act if that's the case.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> He looks better bald than she does, that's for sure.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Richard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone know how trenbolone acetate affects hair loss?
>>>
>>>
>>> --Sir Jackery
>>
>>
>> I have not seen anyone have any trouble with it.
>
>
> Thanks for the input. Anyone know the solubility in DMSO and the
> suggested transdermal dosage range?
>
>
> --Sir Jackery

I think there a ton of things on Google that tell how to get the Tren
out of those implants. It would not be worth it to me.

--
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

Richard wrote:

>"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuhpolycock.com> wrote in message
>news:yXrIh.9$p17.8@newsfe11.phx...
>
>
>>Sir Jackery wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 8 Mar 2007, Will Brink wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>In article <H5HHh.13710$Xk.1678@newsfe17.phx>, "Richard"
>>>><no@spam.invalid.domain> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Will Brink - you've written some articles on the subject of hair
>>>>>loss back
>>>>>in 1997 and in 2005. I was just handed a prescription for Finasterid
>>>>>1mg
>>>>>today.
>>>>>
>>>>>If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
>>>>>depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of the
>>>>>time),
>>>>>what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far as
>>>>>you
>>>>>know)?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Impossible to answer with any hard numbers as there are no studies
>>>>looking at that. In theory, risk of gyno would increase. By how much,
>>>>depends on some variables, like history of gyno, etc.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the chances
>>>>>that the gyno would subside on its own?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>In general, early gyno will go away if the offending stimulus is
>>>>removed
>>>>or reduced.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is easier to
>>>>>correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other
>>>>>hand.... it
>>>>>could be worse.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>It can always be worse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If you had stage III hair loss at 32 would you take Finasteride or
>>>>>would you
>>>>>happily go bald?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Have you seen my hair line? It's not exactly a full thick head if
>>>>hair. I
>>>>tried finasteride years ago, didn't seem to do zip for my hair growth.
>>>>
>>>>
>I
>
>
>>>>think the drug is overrated for hair growth and underrated for side
>>>>effects. Not much to add from what I said in my follow up article on
>>>>
>>>>
>the
>
>
>>>>topic:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.brinkzone.com/articledeta...catid=3&aid=13
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Of course, going bald can take years so I might as well do
>>>>>a Britney Spears / Federline act if that's the case.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>He looks better bald than she does, that's for sure.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>Richard
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>Anyone know how trenbolone acetate affects hair loss?
>>>
>>>
>>>--Sir Jackery
>>>
>>>
>>I have not seen anyone have any trouble with it.
>>
>>
>>
>
>Also what about Eucapil (Furidil)? It is applied to the scalp and I guess it
>doesn't interfere with hormones as much as Finasteride. Anyone hear of this
>stuff?
>
>Richard
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
I am not familiar with it.

--
--
Robert Schuh
"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

http://www.hardbopdrums.com/

On Sat, 10 Mar 2007 10:39:20 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Robert Schuh" <rob@robschuhpolycock.com> schreef:
>
>> Pete,
>> You know that everyone is different when it comes to gyno and hair loss. I
>> am not sure why this guy is asking about Proscar vs Arimidex or Nolvadex.
>
>He is worried about side effects and want to maximize gains. But i mentioned
>that on 200/week, that wont happen.

DHT is actually a treatment for gyno so I'm not convinced that taking
DHT down to almost undetectable levels won't sharply increase gyno
risk.

--
Is this thing on?

On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:41:56 -0800, Sir Jackery
<roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote:


>>> Anyone know how trenbolone acetate affects hair loss?

Not as bad as one might think.

>>>
>>>
>>> --Sir Jackery
>>
>> I have not seen anyone have any trouble with it.
>
>Thanks for the input. Anyone know the solubility in DMSO and the suggested
>transdermal dosage range?
>
>

Memmmmmmoriiieeeeeessss,light the cornerrrssss of my minnnnnd.

Oh yeah, stop being afraid of needles ya sissy.

--
Is this thing on?

On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 15:37:45 -0700, "Richard" <no@spam.invalid.domain>
wrote:

>Will Brink - you've written some articles on the subject of hair loss back
>in 1997 and in 2005. I was just handed a prescription for Finasterid 1mg
>today.
>
>If I used Finasteride, and given the fact that I'm taking weekly
>depo-testosterone injections (testosterone is over 1300 most of the time),
>what are my chances of getting gyno with this combination (as far as you
>know)? And if I got gyno and stopped taking this stuff, what are the chances
>that the gyno would subside on its own?
>

I know a guy that had existing gyno that got immediately worse on
finasteride. DHT is, I believe, an antagonist at the ER in the breast
tissue (or something along those lines).

Gyno is like a brush fire...you really don't want to set it off and if
you do you want a firehose nearby. At a minimum, if I were you, I'd
want to be ready to go on the ATAC at the first sign of symptoms.

>If its a trade off over hair / gyno.. I suppose that gyno is easier to
>correct with surgery than hair replacement. But on the other hand.... it
>could be worse.
>

Tried minoxidil?

>If you had stage III hair loss at 32 would you take Finasteride or would you
>happily go bald? Of course, going bald can take years so I might as well do
>a Britney Spears / Federline act if that's the case.
>
>Thanks,
>Richard
>

Going bald is an interesting phenomenon in that you feel OK with it
and then you catch yourself in a mirror or something and go "holy shit
I'm really going bald".

--
Is this thing on?

On Sun, 11 Mar 2007, Joe Humble wrote:

> On Fri, 9 Mar 2007 22:41:56 -0800, Sir Jackery
> <roehrig@cs.ucdavis.edu> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Anyone know how trenbolone acetate affects hair loss?
>
> Not as bad as one might think.
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --Sir Jackery
>>>
>>> I have not seen anyone have any trouble with it.
>>
>> Thanks for the input. Anyone know the solubility in DMSO and the suggested
>> transdermal dosage range?
>>
>>
>
> Memmmmmmoriiieeeeeessss,light the cornerrrssss of my minnnnnd.
>
> Oh yeah, stop being afraid of needles ya sissy.


I used to use needles for.